bruce rydell who was at the brookings institute ran one of president obama's afghan reviews and he was working with holbrooke, with petraeus and clinton and to succinctly answer your question he would say that petraeus was and everybody knew he was the de facto leader of the team but it was important to have holbrooke as the face. >> but -- [inaudible] >> yep. think of the knowledge he had and the experience he had and the network he had so even holbrooke acknowledged that to bruce rydell, that's my source. your second question was -- >> the afghans. >> so, you know, the interesting thing to juxtapose is david petraeus's experience in iraq where they called him king david and maybe he gave himself that name, i don't know. [laughter] . there's a drone up there, oh, no. [laughter] >> but he's very well respected in iraq. i mean, they name streets after him. i can't tell you the number of emails i see from iraqis who would give up their children, their riches to thank him what he did for their country for their country. afghans not so much. in his entry level position in this country was