administration was there, we talk about the bush/cheney administrator and. we are talking about the biden/harris administration and the confidence they have made and what they will do in the future to make life better for everyone. >> being judged differently as a black woman with a platform? i have no idea what you're talking about congresswoman. is that something i should be familiar with in some way shape or form? i hope you realize i am winking and nodding at you right now. thank you so much for joining us this evening. >> nice being with you, thank you. >>> i want to bring in david schon, everyone. steve bannon's lawyer, and then president trump's defense lawyer . remember, in his second impeachment trial, david, it is good to see you tonight. thank you for joining me. i have to ask you about what i have been thinking about all day. i know the news has been covering the fact that there was this guilty verdict about navarro being in contempt of congress, i am thinking about the future, of course, what this will mean for congress, for subpoena power, and

where we talked about the bush cheney administration. we are talking about the biden harris administration and the accomplishments that they made and what they are going to do in the future to make life better for everyone. >> being judged definitely as a black woman with a platform i have no idea what you're talking about congresswoman barbara lee, it's something that i should be familiar in some way shape or form. i hope you realize i'm waking you nodding in some way shape or form right now. nice to be with you this evening. >> nice being with you. >> i want to bring in david schoen everyone, steve bannon's lawyer and also then president trump's defense lawyer in a second impeachment trial. david, it is good to see you tonight thank you for joining me. i have to ask you about what i have been thinking about all day, the news has been covering the fact that there was this guilty verdict about navarro being in tempt of congress, i'm thinking about the future what this will mean of course in congress. what will it mean for subpoena power,

matthew dowd is former chief strategist for the bush/cheney 2004 campaign and senior msnbc political know, matthew, it was a little feistier, i think, than the first debate, which suggests that the candidates maybe know time is running out, and they're feeling some pressure, but they did spend far more time attacking joe biden than the guy they have to beat to actually get to the point to take on biden. let me play a little bit. >> i'll say this, joe biden should not be on the picket line. he should be on the southern border working to close our southern border. >> only when we get the border secure should we ever look at putting any more money into this. our money should be about keeping americans safe. we're not doing that. joe biden's not doing that. >> joe biden doesn't belong on a picket line. he belongs on the unemployment line. >> that wasn't planned at all, matthew. what do you think? is the race different than it was? is there someone you think emerged looking more like a real number two challenger to donald trump? >> well, i think fundamentally the only way you get a number

m d and all that stuff, but the cheney bush stuff, much critical stuff. he was then involved. now, he is a merge as the fellow who backs up the when, when there's a critical issue. he backs up the, the, the, the president passed a young woman. he's always addicts, answer questions, and he goes on the sunday talk shows. we're talking about a prescott. now being going on, this talk shows that used to be the domain of the secretary of the state or the national security advisor. you don't see much of those guys anymore right now. i don't know what's going to happen, but the pipeline story. i don't know if it's ever going to come out because this government will never investigated, as they said in anonymous way. well, the un un won't either despite roger in china and brazil, one thing at 2. and you're intimating the, the anger actually, and the latest piece you seem to be intimating. there isn't anger at certain levels there, but did it at least vindicate you a little bit while as you were being actress estimated and not to cover the consent of a mission the mainstream media did. d

caller: well, exactly, the people within the government, the necon variety around the bush-cheney administration talked about their grand designs for u.s. hegemony around the world could not be accomplished with out a second pearl harbor attack to galvanize public opinion in the united states. and there is a word you can look up, anybody can look up -- operation mockingbird. it was a plan of the pentagon to kill americans. operation mockingbird, look it up. and they smugly said in this document, that was released by james van peart inside the national security agency, a conspiracy to kill americans with terrorist attacks to justify a worldwide intervention around the world, and we have seen that ever since. i think people should look that up, operation mockingbird. it was actually released documents -- host: we got that, john. and here is a text we got from mike in santa monica, california. he says it should not take an attack or an act of war like and 11 was tonight us as a nation, meaning we are divided or united as make up our minds to be. this is also a text from larry in chicago. i hear all

someone in dick cheney, bush's administration had their finger wherever, and they did not allow norad to respond here they responded to the parachutist. three planes were up there. and on 9/11, there was nobody to be found. now sandy berman -- host: are you saying that norad was not called on 911? because it was. caller: we called them five times -- host: but they did scramble jets. there were jets in the air. caller: if we are under attack and i call norad to respond. regather -- and -- regardless whether it is practice -- host: but they did respond. caller: excuse me, i am sorry. host: i said they did respond. they scribbled the jets. caller: 45 minutes earlier. they could have responded earlier, but they did not care because the air traffic controller on duty picked up on it. the cockpit transponder was turned off before the tires left the runway. and the air traffic controller handling the first flight called supervisors, called norad. he called and called. he is watching the scope and sees they are not responding here he says what is going on? and the girl he spoke to says we hav

let me bring in matthew dowd, former chief strat jiflt for the bush/cheney campaign and a former msnbcnumbers for you. so the campaign's public disclosure in july showed $19 million raised by biden, about 5.4 from donors who have already given the legal maximum. so they can't get any more in 2024. in the two days after his mug shot was taken, trump pulled in $7 million. discuss those numbers for us and why you think the push is happening now? >> well, i think at this point in time, the money doesn't matter as much to what the dynamics of the race is, as what happens in the spring and the summer of next year. and so i think what each of them is going to do, though donald trump to a lesser extent, is going to raise and spend whatever they have now. to try to step the dynamic as best they can in the course of this. and then after january, into the spring and early summer, is when you'll see the huge amounts that we saw spent in 2020, the huge amounts that are spent between june and november, in the course of this race. so, as long as you can strully support your campaign which is what it

back with us, matthew dowd chief strategist for bush-cheney 2004, and an msnbc political contributor. what is happening there right now? where do negotiations stand today? >> reporter: first and foremost you can see the picketers, the workers back out on the picket line day four. you'll hear throughout the segment honking as drivers go by. the strength of the union does not seem to be waning nor does public support. here comes the honking as we speak. we've seen a hockey team showing up with signs on hockey sticks. we have a guy dressed as where is waldo on the picket line so people doing what they can to get eyes on this. you talked about the negotiations and stellantis offer over the weekend a 21% pay bump uaw's president calling it a no go the union demanding a 40% pay raise with a number of other demands, big three, a number again, separate contract talks with each of the three companies, but shawn fain summed it up this morning on "morning joe" saying as a whole, they have, quote, a long way to go. here is more of what he had to say. >> they're going to have to address ending tie

. >> joining us now, matthew dowd, chief strategist for the bush/cheney 2004 presidential campaign, msnbctor. great seeing you. pence is taking on trump and populism, but he sits at 2% in recent primary polls. is this a message that could resonate in the republican party of 2023? >> short answer is no. it is demonstrated in the course of the last three elections, including donald trump's in 2016 and 2020 and then the 2022 gop primaries for senate and governor that the republican electorate wants populism more than they want conservatism. that's just a fact, it is a majority in the republican party today and so while i think pence's message makes it better for a general election, it is a losing message in the republican primary among the republican primary electorate today. ronald reagan couldn't win the republican nomination today if he ran. that's how far the republican party has changed. >> quite a statement. and meanwhile, and let's talk about that, because according to a new cnn poll showing hypothetical matchups, it found nearly every other major republican candidate remains neck and

continue our conference, eddie glaud at princeton university and matthew dowd chief strategist for the bush/cheney fascinating interview that dasha carried out with ramaswamy your reaction to it first. >> well, vivek made a reputation of not -- for what is good for the goose is not good for the gander that's clear in this case. he's so antiimmigrant and we discovered it throughout the course of this he has birth right citizenship, basically, in this, and he doesn't want that opportunity -- he doesn't want these opportunities available to any other american that he doesn't deem worthy in this. so i think dasha is right he's become the new version of trump, he says outrageous things, the republican base, many of them seem to respond to it and, of course, he's taken an antiimmigrant tact which is amazing with his family background. >> and just your thoughts on that, matthew was talking about he and his personal family was able, his mother was able to become a citizen he's clearly making a difference about that his family followed all the procedures but we're till stalking about it, still talking abou

. >>> political analyst and chief strategist for the bush cheney election campaign, matthew dowd, whate was a window of opportunity for the other republicans when there was a large share of republican voters who thought donald trump was not electable. that has disappeared. in large part because they have solidified around donald trump, probably because of the indictments, it got them angry, and so they went back and supported donald trump. the other part of this is keep in mind that voters are not weighing electability as the most important attribute. when you look at the polls of republicans, the most important attribute they look at is not can he beat joe biden, it's do they align with basically the maga agenda, and that's donald trump, so that's a problematic thing. the other part of this thing is there's no question in my mind that gop voters aren't always based in reality anyway. they don't believe in climate change, you just had a panel about guns. they think the moreguns. they think the more guns the better. the more guns we are, the safer we are. two-thirds of these voters thin

the problem with that is it started with the bush-cheney administration.re we going to keep running this debt to 100 million and keep putting it on our kids and grandkids? at some point the implosion is bound to happen. what is it we are trying to do to circumvent that? that is my comment. host: any comment >> we will break away as the u.s. house gavel intercession. as and nays are ordered. the house will resume proceedings on postponed questions at a later time. for what purpose does the gentlewoman from texas seek

matt dodd, county but and former chief strategist for bush cheney presidential campaign. msnbc political analyst. and joyce vance, msnbc contributor and former u.s. attorney. she is a professor at the university of alabama school of law and the co-host of the hashtag, sisters emma podcast. it is good to see you all. joyce, trump told nbc that he made the decision. and not his lawyers to challenge the 2020 election results. what does that mean for the special counsel's case against him? >> every time trump takes his television, or any other public form and begins to speak, my assumption is that someone at the justice department is taking notes. because very often he says things that are contradictory or he undercuts his own defenses. mostly importantly what is going on is trump's talking about his state of mind after the election. he's undercutting a form of advice of counsel defense that might have been available to him. essentially a lot of the special counsel's case is on whether trump knew he lost the election or believed it. or was reasonably blinded to the truth in a

cheney. maybe they should have another church committee that. and so the idea of a new church committee became, something that people started talking about to investigate, the bush and cheney abuses of intelligence. and so that led me to begin to think about eventually a book about what the truth about the church committee. and then as i was writing about it and about publish the book, the the new republican party in the house started talking the need for and for a new church committee. and so it's something i realized that has become part of the american political lexicon and the church committee is now a synonym for, a truth and reconciliation committee. and every time there is an a big scandal or a call for investigations everyone in washington now says we need a new church committee. and so i thought we needed a new history of what really happened with the church committee. that's how some. did you find any surprises? you were digging into this. oh, yeah, lots of surprises. i mean, it was the thing that amazed the most is how much these guys investigated in one year, a span of just one year. you got remember going back into that time period and it's it's to

the problem with that is it started with the bush-cheney administration. are we going to keep running this debt to 100 million and keep putting it on our kids and grandkids? at some point the implosion is bound to happen. what is it we are trying to do to circumvent that? that is my comment. host: any comment >> we will break away as the u.s. house gavel intercession. as and nays are ordered. the house will resume proceedings on postponed questions at a later time. for what purpose does the gentlewoman from texas seek recognition? >> madam speaker, i move the house suspend the rules and pass h.r. 5860. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of the bill. the clerk: h.r. 5860, a bill making continuing proceedings for fiscal year 2024 and for other purposes. the speaker pro tempore: pursuan t to the rule, the gentlewoman from texas, ms. grainger, and the gentlewoman from connecticut, ms. delauro, each will control 20 minutes. the chair recognizes the gentlewoman from texas. ms. grainger: i rise in support of h.r. 5860, a bill that keeps the

but ever since bush and cheney, a lot of them ask us to support policies that are suicidal open borders trade with china endless wars and do that as a matter of principle. well, it's silly. and it's sloppy thinking. conservatism isn't a suicide pact. and conservatives shouldn't support any policy that makes working class americans poorer and weaker. for 18 months now, can you believe it? we have been theying away billions of dollars on a war that cannot be won and that should be paid for by europe anyway. soon autumn will set on the summer offensive which doesn't seem to have worked out as planned. notice how we didn't even get regular updates about how our war chest something spent over there or even about the war's progress in general. we don't hear much about it. yet, secretary antony blinken is over there again for another surprise trip. so he was sort of forced into giving a briefing. >> the recent defensive the gains have been little villages. a little area here. you think we are starting to see more progress? >> it's step-by-step. i think we are seeing very tangible projects the

bush and cheney wasted trillions of dollars on their crazy wars.lost millions of manufacturing jobs to china due to so-called free trade, so did those changes make the country more conservative? no. they led stright obama two terms. going with pence would drive working class voters to the democrats and where will conservatism be then in the fat cats that pence is trying to please aren't conservatives at all. a lot of them don't even like this country that much or don't care that much about it. the more we help them, the faster the country will actually move to the left. the only prudent way forward is to have sound, practical policies that weaken the ccp, strengthen the united states, and help workers and people here instead of china. that's what all conservatives should be for, not following the neocons and the wall street types over the same cliff that we went back over in the 2,000s. >> did you leave a laptop with a repairman. >> not that i remember. >> not that you remember. >> no. whether or not-there exist as laptop at all i truly don't know.

t mill >> bush and cheney wasted trillions of dollars on their crazy wars . they lost millions of manufacturing jobs to china due to so-callede free trade. so did those changes makeative? the country more conservative? te. they led straight to obama to terms. going with pence would drive working class voters, the democrats. and where will conservatism be thee thfatn? vative the fat cats that pences is trying to please? aren't conservativesl. a lot of all? a lot of them don't even like this country that much or don't care that much about it. the more we help them,ve t the faster the countryo th i will actually move to the left. >> the only prudent way forwardn is to have sound, practical anlicies that weaken the ccp, strengthen the united states, and help workers and people here instead of china. ollowi that's what all conservatives should be fongr not following the neo cons and the wall street types over the cliff that we went back over in the 2000s. >> did you leave a laptop with a repairman? not i like to remember now whether or not there existsng a a lapto

the problem with that is it started with the bush-cheney administration.re we going to keep running this debt to 100 million and keep putting it on our kids and grandkids? at some point the implosion is bound to happen. what is it we are trying to do to circumvent that? that is my comment. host: any comment molly? guest: the historical perspective is important. several political scientists and folks who used to work in government who have a backward looking view has said that shutdowns of a recent memory have become a lot more damaging. they feel more spiteful which ties in again to the anxiety surrounding all of this. there was a time when shutdowns didn't happen, really for the 1980's -- before the 1980's or even before that. they were a couple hours or days at most. look at 2018 and 20 1990's, they were much younger and much more damaging -- look at the -- look at 2018 and 2019, they were much more damaging. caller: pat is up next. -- host: cat is up next. caller: the people who caused the shutdown -- pat is up next. caller: the people who caused the sh

bush picked dick cheney, who was from wyoming, and these picks for vp, i think it's smart politicallynk that's very smart in this. but it's much more of a signal you send, and less concern about what geography. so i think that's what the consideration is. you no longer have to worry about picking a person to pick up a state. it doesn't work like that when these campaigns become nationalized. >> the former president has staved off every other norm, he didn't show up at the debate. he's got somewhat of a 46 or so percentage point lead ahead of ron desantis. everybody else is in the single digits. do you think, as you're looking at this, matthew, that the former president will likely announce who his vp candidate is even before securing a nomination because it could build that momentum that you're talking about? >> well, i think being the ultimate marketer that he is, i think he's going to let people go as long as possible before he makes a decision on that. i think he likes to build the momentum. i think it would actually be a mistake on his part to pick early because the only thing you

cheney really went after him not to be outdone, george w. bushil portrait look at this thing whoa, my goodness. [ laughter ] some business news, i read that amazon is purchasing the maker of roomba vacuums for nearly $1.7 billion yeah, it would have been more, but the negotiations hit a a wall [ laughter ] goodnight, everybody ♪ [ cheers and applause ♪ oh, that's right, amazon said, listening to everyone's conversation has been fun, but it would be way easier to follow if they also had a map of your house. [ laughter ] that's right, amazon purchased the maker of roomba vacuums for $1.7 billion amazon is making a few changes to roombas already we actually have an early prototype of amazon's version of a roomba. check this out there you go, right there. i cannot wait to see what it can do roomba, go vacuum. >> i'm sorry i didn't get that. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: go vacuum. go clean up some dirt. >> i found something online. webster's dictionary defines dirt as a filthy or a soiling substance. >> jimmy: no, no - no, alexa, stop. >> -- such as mud, du

bush cabinet was already extremely powerful. the new president's cabinet includes vice president dick cheney, pentagon chief donald rumsfield , diplomatd bank, paul, disingenuously, are all convinced neoconservatives. all participants in the new american century project of conservatives in the government were everywhere, as well as outside the government in semi-official roles. she is an absolutely civilian neoconservative - this is a political group that, since the time of reagan, has advocated a tough foreign policy for the implantation of democracy, which will help establish the united states as the sole leader of the world, and this group of people was formed even before september 11. these people were looking for an excuse. apply a military approach in western asia which we call the middle east and they were looking for an excuse they had a reasonable seed in order to start a chain reaction for the use of military force september 11 fell on them like manna from heaven. it was like, oh my god , now we can do so much. since the cold war, neoconservative policies have been closely associated with private military corporations that c

but at the time none of them opposed it, and that is bush's democracy agenda to bring deem city to faraway countries. >> you and have i praised liz cheneytand it for the work she did. if you look at where she has been on the subject of voting rights and election integrity, it's a structural integrity throughout the democracy. when she was still in congress, nowhere, silent. not on the front lines with democrats and voting rights activists and advocates. not there. and it is what they call the overton window when they talk about this when you had geeks, the overton window has shifted in the republican party in a profound way. and even the rare republicans who will stand up to donald trump often are not out there fighting for the institutions and for the legal framework that is what had made the america the great beacon of democracy in the world for 200 years. >> well, shifting the overton window lets it be a story deep inside a newspaper and low in our rundown when more than just donald trump proposes changing the fbi, making it not an independent law enforcement agency for the first time in its history. >> right. and i think about the r