. >> of course, bob woodward along with carl bernstein became journalism legends in the 1970s. joining us now to discuss woodward's reporting is the other half of that dynamic duo, carl bernstein. always good to talk with you. when you have the president's own words on tape, of course, that was nixon's undoing, the fact that president trump even sat down with woodward, is it as if nixon had mailed you the tapes himself? are they that damning? >> they're worse than nixon's watergate tapes. what they reveal is a presidential felony on a scale we've never seen in this country before. we've never seen a president as trump has done here. ignore thele th and well being of the american people put his own re-election interests in front of his basic job, which is to protect the american people, and to protect the united states from enemies, foreign and domestic. this is an enemy he was warned about and we hear it on tape in a way we've never heard such an event before. and what does the president of the united states do? he decides that, okay, thousands of lives are going to be lost her

it's like very different standards, but carl bernstein is a dummy. he's a dumb guy, and woodward's book last night, i read it. it's like lightweight reading and he doesn't get it. when my policies turn out to be right, as they have with israel, we're going to have a lot of other countries joining us very soon by the way. they are all going to go in and then we'll have peace in the middle east and we're doing it through the back door. they've never thought of it before with all this talk, they never thought of it before, and we're getting accolades even the new york times and tom friet man said that's great. that's great. they gave us, i don't know you can't get a better review than they gave us on this day like what we've done here and with no death. we haven't had death that has not been fighting in fact we're bringing our troops back home from the ridiculous endless wars they are all coming home, and they should be home. it's enough. they've been there for 19 years. in afghanistan for 19 years it's ridiculous. steve: mr. president -- president trum

reporting on the president's finances, also with us cnn political analyst and legendary journalist carl bernstein. i appreciate you being with us. the two numbers that jump off the page, the $750, that's what the president paid in taxes his first two years in office, but then, carl, the other number that i think people need to know is $421 million. this is what the president owes. these are the loans that will come due over the next four or five years. so when you see this article, carl, what's your major takeaway? >> that donald trump and his family are grifters, and they have created, he has created the first grifter presidency in the history of the united states, in which his purpose in running for the presidency and exercising the powers of the presidency, the fundamental reason is to bail himself and his family out. it shows in policy. it shows in his foreign relationships especially with erdogan and turkey, it shows the fundamental corruption and criminality of donald trump, and now we have the definitive evidence, and he is trying to make the conduct of the press the issue, instead of the

after nixon resigned, so this is 1974, she wrote carl bernstein and myself a letter on yellow legal padre stationary than any 500 people in washington but she got, dear carl and bob, you wrote some of the stories in nixon is gone, do not start thinking -- do not think too highly of yourselves. i want to give you some advice. beware the demon pomposity. >> that's good advice. >> that's really important for us in our business. i pondered that, i consulted with elsa, john carp, the publisher and the top person at simon and schuster with my assistants and said, is this pompous or is this true? and the answer was, in everyone, it's true. you can't -- the whole business of trump is about running away from the truth. you cannot run away from the truth here because you've seen it. >> i was stunned by the quote that kushner gave to you, if you want to understand the president, you should look at the cheshire cat analysis in wonderland, if you don't know where you're going, any path will get you there. the fact that one of the president's closest advisers is intimating he doesn't know where he's

joining me is cnn political analyst carl bernstein with us. give us your reaction of what's a bombshell report here. >> this is really the smoking gun of a pervasively criminal presidency. we have a president of the united states who is a grifter. his family are grifters and this is the evidence it but more grievous and grotesque are the implications of the "the new york times" report. think you have to go back to a statement by eric trump that said, well, the son of the president, well, we don't rely on american banks. we have the funding out of russia. this points to the president's foreign entanglements for his own political purposes and his own financial good. this is an unraveling that we now need to do in the press and the congress of the united states to find out just how great a national security threat to this country our president is, particularly in his dealings with putin, with erdogan of turkey, this report shows is the pervasive ability of these countries to hold the president up and as a former national security director -- pard

joining me now is carl bernstein who, of course, broke the watergate scandal with bob woodward in a seriesports. carl, thank you so much for being with us today. tell us what your reactions are to the revelations we're learning of? >> it's stunning, and i think we all need to take a deep breath and understand exactly what it is we have learned. we are listening to the president of the united states on tape deliberately undermining the security -- national security of the united states, the health and well being of the people of the united states, and he's doing this knowingly, in realtime. it is the smoking gun of his negligence. and as those quotes you were talking about from mattis and others, dem straight his unfitness to the president and more than anything, instead of leveling with the country, he covers up. we listen to him cover up this grave national emergency. this is one of the great presidential felonies of all time, maybe the greatest presidential felony. and we have the smoking gun tape of the president committing the felony. >> there are recordings like you said. there's a sm

which ultimately led to that day in the summer of 1974 when bob woodward and carl bernstein watched the president of the united states resign the presidency after the special prosecutor fully investigated the leads that were first developed in the reporting by carl bernstein and bob woodward reporting the change to the course of history. bob woodward's new book could change the course of history with the first excerpts of that appearing today, 55 days before election day. in an interview with the associated press today, bob woodward said that it was important to get this story out before the election. and so, with 55 days until election day, america is learning tonight that donald trump has admitted to playing down the seriousness of the coronavirus pandemic and that he has made that admission on tape, which bob woodward released to "the washington post" today, the woodward tapes have donald trump on february 7th, after a phone call with china's president describing how deadly the coronavirus was before any of us knew how bad it could be >> and so what was president xi saying yesterday

perspective from gloria borger and carl bernstein in addition to being elected an investigative importer and the legendary other half of wood ward and bernstein, abby phillip. gloria, the president's justification down playing the virus, didn't want to create panic. fear and he added today the last thing he wants to do is show fear. fear is the trump campaign's strategy. i mean, that is, you know, he told woodward himself for the last book real power is fear. that was the title of the last week. >> yeah, and he's running on fear in this campaign talking about the mobs in major urban areas, trying to -- >> so provoking fear and stirring fear is fine when it suits his ends? >> of course, totally. i don't buy the argument i didn't want to create panic. this is a president, it was very revealing to me today when he had his little press conference and he said leadership is about confidence. what he really meant, i think, if you read between the lines is he didn't want to appear to be weak. the worst thing you can tell donald trump is you're weak. he didn't want blame. what he was thinking abo

but i learned from my colleague carl bernstein 45 years ago, i remember we were talking, we spent a lotgether working on the nixon case, we'd sit in mcdonald's and have coffee and big macs and somebody was really angry about something and carl said, you know, anger is really pain. somebody is feeling pain. and, you know, i'm not a psychiatrist, i can't leap to that, but when i listen to trump on this and i reflected back on what carl had said, what's going on here? and then you connect it to this orwellian, well, the book's fine, no, it's a hit job, ju just -- you know, today, this morning, he acknowledged that he wanted to assassinate syrian president assad and that mattis then secretary of defense wouldn't let him or talked him out of it. i have in my first book two years ago "fear" exactly that scene where trump calls mattis and i can't use the language, but he says, you know, let's kill him. i mean, in a fury about -- and i understand the emotions, because he'd seen actual video of a sarin gas attack on women and children by assad. but what did mattis do, he said, oh, we'll get righ

. >> after nixon resigned, so this is 197, she wrote carl bernstein and myself a letter on a yellow legal pad. she had more stationary than any 500 people in washington, but she -- dear bob and carl, you wrote some of the stories and nixon is gone. do not start thinking -- do not think too highly of yourselves. i want to give you some advice. beware the demon pompocity. >> that's good advice. >> that's really important advice for us in our business and all other businesses. so i pondered that. i consulted with elsa, john carp, the publisher and the top person at simon & schuster with my assistants and i said, is this pompous or is this true? and the answer was from everyone, it's true. you can't -- the whole business of trump is about running away from the truth. you cannot run away from the truth here because you've seen it. >> i was stunned by the quote that kushner gave to you, saying that if you want to understand the president, you should look at the chesire cat. if you don't know where you're going, any path will get you there. the fact that one of the president's closest advisers i

yesterday the interview you just did with jeffrey and the interview yesterday that carl bernstein and jeffrey did were the best modern diskwi decision, if you will, on the need of a democracy for a media, for journalists like jeffrey and like these others i've ever heard. and i think that's important to get that point out there. and their defense of anonymous sources, especially carl bernstein, he was el oquent in his defense of anonymous sources, for example, he and bob woodward used when they essentially helped to get rid of president nixon during the watergate crisis. so i think that is an important point to make. i want to emphasize that point. it's time the media stood up. it's time the media told the truth. it's time the media went after the facts despite the president's utter disregard for the facts. but to your question, this is extremely damaging to the morale and good order and discipline of the military to have the leader of that military, the commander in chief of the united states, of the military, to make these kind of remarks. and as to whether or not he made these rema

perspective now from carl bernstein. also, cnn chief political correspondent, dana bash. dana, the president saying this thing is a killer if it gets you. i mean, he knew how deadly it was. he continued to downplay the virus to the american people. and is back to having indoor rallies. it's -- i -- it defies understanding. i mean, it just defies any sense of responsibility. >> i have given up trying to figure out how to articulate exactly what you were just trying to do, anderson. and the really key point is that what jamie just showed, what bob woodward reports in his book, isn't ancient history. it's happening, as we speak. literally, as we speak, in arizona. where he is saying, you know, just even last month, there's nothing i could've done. no more could've been done. more could be done, as we speak. he could be not holding a rally like that. or even if he wants to hold a political event, do it outside. have people wear masks. this is happening, right now. so this isn't -- this isn't history. this is contemporaneous. and he could be changing it but he doesn't want to.

so, there you have an earer bob woodward and an earlier carl bernstein. funnily, his voice sounds the same. but on the substance of thatys point, he eporters have no stake in proving guilt, that they're just after the truth.or t least that was how they approached watergate. as someone who been in the trenches, i mean, is that your experience, do you think? is that what good reporters do, do, that they're after the truth rather than an outcome? >> i certainly thinks what a good reporter does, but i don't think that's what we get a lot of now. going back to what i was saying earlier, it's -- it's not just about thtruth. certainly, that has to be a top priority for them. but it's also about not tainting the truth or swaying the way that a reader looks at a story one way or anothe they shouldn't be pushing one version higher than another. >> let me ask you a different qution about bob woodward. this is the quote heard 'round the world. president trump said to bob woodward, quote... if you are white house press secretary during the coronavir at the outbreak, a

the president's men, the true story of how intrepid washington post reporters bob woodward and carl bernsteins president to resign from office. besides being exceedingly well crafted, each film delivers the same promise of hope to a different generation of americans reeling from trauma. mr smith goes to washington came at the end of the great depression, a decade of poverty and disillusionment in the american system. while all the president's men was a response to a profound loss of faith in american institutions, following both watergate and the vietnam war. the films succeed because they engage with our darker impulses, but still provide uplifting conclusions. right now, political tensions in the us are boiling over, which makes these films more relevant than ever. political films can motivate the populace. mr smith goes to washington came out in 1939. that inspired a lot of people to go into politics, because at the end of the day, it was seen as idealistic — even though i don't personally think that it really was. but we will put a pin in that. and then all the president's men inspires al

the president's men, the true story of how intrepid washington post reporters bob woodward and carl bernsteinhich led to richard nixon becoming the first—ever us president to resign from office. besides being exceedingly well crafted, each film delivers the same promise of hope to a different generation of americans reeling from trauma. mr smith goes to washington came at the end of the great depression, a decade of poverty and disillusionment in the american system. while all the president's men was a response to a profound loss of faith in american institutions, following both watergate and the vietnam war. the films succeed because they engage with our darker impulses, but still provide uplifting conclusions. right now, political tensions in the us are boiling over, which makes these films more relevant than ever. political films can motivate the populace. mr smith goes to washington came out in 1939. that inspired a lot of people to go into politics, because at the end of the day, it was seen as idealistic — even though i don't personally think that it really was. but we will put a pin in

the first president i covered with carl bernstein, nixon clearly was a criminal in the republican party turned on mixing and he was forced to resign when barry goldwater went to the oval office and said i counted the republicans and you have only four votes among the republicans. none in the democratic party and one of the four votes for you is not me. the next night nixon announced he was resigning so each one is different. this has left a gaping wound in the country and it is not over. almost a thousand people are dying every day right now and the failure to describe the things that need to be done the experts say if trump would just say everyone should wear a mask and then he goes to these rallies where thousands of people packed together without masks. what the hell is going on. when i did the first book i said it's a nervous breakdown of the executive branch. what do you call it now? almost something we've put to sleep, 142,000 deaths, not 200,000. we need a wake-up call. this isn't a political issue. this is a practical issue and quite frankly a moral issue. >> host: i guess the r

carl bernstein, the other half of that famous team that brought down the nixon presidency with their so doing changed journalism forever. carl bernstein said these trump tapes, the woodward tapes were were far more explosive and would be far more impactful historically than the nixon tapes ever were because so many people died as a result of what donald trump admitted to on these tapes. i'm curious as somebody who lived through watergate and now is living through this, do you agree with carl bernstein? >> i do. i think what the tapes do in a bold and dramatic fashion, they prove that we have a president who is a liar and is willing to kill americans. and you can't say it more plainly than that. he's killing americans with his lies. thousands and thousands of people died because donald trump wanted to lie about the dangers of this disease and how it was spread. now, he's going to spin this, which is unbelievable to me, with a straight face, saying to america, i didn't want anybody to panic. he's running a campaign based on fear and panic. his entire campaign is about making americans

i want to bring in cnn political analyst carl bernstein. miles taylor is a former trump homeland security official, now backing joe biden. i'm so thankful to have both of you on. mr. bernstein, long time new york see. the president goes to kenosha to focus on law enforcement, not jacob blake. what message is he sending here? >> that he is willing to see a real civil war in this country if it helps his re-election. we have had a cold civil war in this country for 20 years or so, trump was smart enough to exploit that cold civil war, get elected through his racist appeals and other means and now we are seeing him ignite this cold civil war, pouring fuel on the fire to stoke violence, a willingness to see americans die in the streets if it helps his chances for re-election. we've never had anything like this in our history where a president of the united states is willing to engage in this kind of conduct, and at the same time, he is doing all this through an unprecedented aauthoritarianism in which he has taken over the postal service, the sc

. >> well, nixon would never speak to carl bernstein or myself.is kind of a complicated chronology. i was on your show in 2018, and trump was, had not talked to me. and he felt that was a mistake. and we developed this, during the pandemic, this odd tp o tell phone relationship where he would call me at 10:00 at night, i had to carry a tape recorder around to make sure i recorded it. for nine hours and 41 minutes. >> trevor: right, he dropped the bombshell a few weeks ago. you have donald trump on tape explicitly saying that he was downplaying the threat of coronavirus because he didn't want people to panic. do you think donald trump was saying it in a malicious way or can you see his reasoning for why he was saying the things he was saying. >> i can see from his point of view, he says i downplayed it, i always downplayed it. i didn't want people to panic, early on in january, which was the key moment, this was all laid out for him, in the kind of detail that when i found out about it, i thought oh my god, the whole case is there. his national sec

one and you could make all kinds of comparisons and nixon, the first president i covered with carl bernstein, he clearly was a criminal president and the republican party turned on nixon and he was nearly forced to resign when barry goldwater went to the office and said i counted the republican and you have only 4 votes among republicans, none in the democratic party, and one of those four votes for you is not me, goldwater said. the next night nixon announced he was resigning. so if each one is different -- this has left a gaping wound in our country and it's not over. almost a thousand people are tieing every day right now and the failure to lead and describe the things that need to be and everyone should be aware of that. oh, well, it's optional. he goes and has rallies where thousands of people are packed together without masks, what the hell is going on? i think -- i think it's -- when i did the first book on trump, it's a nervous breakdown of the executive branch. what do you call it now? >> yeah. >> i call it something that we almost been put to sleep, oh, a thousand deaths, 142,000 d

an attempt at telling us we didn't hear what we hear him say but it doesn't work and in fact, carl bernstein tonight on cnn said these are the most consequential presidential recordings ever due to the loss of life resulting from this virus. it does make richard nixon saying a million dollars, we can get that seem almost quant and this it seems will hang around a good long while to bob's point. >> i think it will, brian. the key is that these are the president's own words. we're hearing them ourselves we all can listen to those tapes. the american people know what this president sounds like and they know exactly what he's saying because he doesn't mince words in those recordings with woodward he sought to mislead the amanier can people to lie to the american people about the severity and threat of the coronavirus. the press secretary's denial at the podium today was simply not true she was confronted by jeff bennett. he said this is on tape. she continued to deny that the president had ever tried to down play the virus, which we know to be untrue. >> robert, indeed, the president who has sho

carl bernstein joins us. good evening one and all. 300 days. you were like, no, we can't take 300 days. 36 days. and we're following multiple breaking news stories that could impact how americans cast their votes. "the new york times" has new reporting tonight calling the man most of america met on "the apprentice" the man who's now president of the united states. the fictional alter ego of the real donald trump. that on top of the reporting that the president has not paid any federal income tax in 10 out of 15 years beginning in 2000. and that he paid only $750 in federal income taxes in both 2016 and 2017. all that certain to come up in tomorrow night's debate. the first presidential debate between donald trump and joe biden. we're going to preview what else we can expect to see. >> i think this is damaging on multiple levels. there is the only bare rasing stuff. the $70,000 deduction for your hairstyle. $700,000 that you gave your daughter that was a consulting expense even though she was already on your payroll. there's the damage to his br

our political commentator anna navarro is here as well and cnn political analyst carl bernstein joins us. good evening, one and all. good to see you. i said 300 days. you guys were like, no, we can't take 300 days. 36 days. john, you're first. it is becoming clearer after the latest reporting from "the new york times" tonight that this president's biggest business success is selling a bill of goods to the american people. he made $427 million from his v tv, reality tv show, "the apprentice," money that he largely just squandered. john? >> oh, yes. i'm sorry. i thought you were playing some sound right there. >> no, no, no. no, no, no, your turn. >> all right. well, look, i think this story is damaging on multiple levels. there is the embarrassing stuff. that is $730,000 tax deduction for your hairstyle. $700,000 that you gave your daughter that you took as a business deduction, as a consulting expense, even though she was already on your payroll. there's the damage to his brand. he told the american people that he was a successful businessman, he could turn around the united states. y

and not, as i've said many times, catherine graham told carl bernstein and myself, after nixon resignede said i'm going to give you some advice. beware the demon pompacity. there's too much of this in businesses, wall street, politics. it doesn't work in our interest to get information out to people if we are pompace in doing so. >> now trump you're reporting extensively on. compare these two presidents for a moment, if you don't mind. >> clearly, nixon was a criminal. and he would never talk to carl or myself before he resigned, after he resigned. and that's fine. what somebody from the "new york times" joked that all these interviews with trump in my book, it's as if nixon had mailed or fedexed all of the nixon tapes and the things he said about covering up and breaking the law as if he had fedexed them to me. comparing, that's for the historians. for the reporter, quite frankly, it's to find out what happened. and that was my focus. i had the luxury of time to do so in this book. >> you know, you conclude in the book on the very last page something you've never done before in reporti

a man many people consider to be the "carl bernstein" of investigative reporting. called "rage." it's a follow up to 2018's "fear." and it's a prequel to 2022's "hangry." in preparation for the book, trump sat down with woodward for 19 taped interviews, and they were very revealing. not as much as chris evans, but still. for instance, back in february and march, trump was publicly comparing the virus to an average flu and saying it would go away by april, but listen to what he told woodward on february 7: >> it goes through air, bob. that's how it's passed. and so that's a very tricky one. that's a very delicate one. it's also more deadly than your- you know, your, even your strenuous flus. so this is deadly stuff. >> stephen: so donald trump knew in february that coronavirus was passed through the air, was much deadlier than the flu, then he lied about it, and 200,000 people died. so, m.a.g.a. really should stand for: "make american graves again." then in march, trump explained to woodward why he lied. >> i wanted to-- i wanted to always play it down. i still like

carl bernstein who broke the watergate scandal with bob woodward says trump committed a kind of homicidalegligence by downplaying the pandemic and he claims the audio recordings are even more devastating than the nixon tapes. he didn't stop there. watch. >> if you listen to him cover u this brave grave national emergency. this is one of the great presidential felonies of all time. may be the greatest presidentia felony and we have the smoking gun tape of the president committing the felony. >> sarah, i can almost see you still standing behind that lectern and what would you say at a white house press briefing to that? >> think his comments are ridiculous. that the president didn't want people to panic, he didn't want our economy to collapse. if anybody is guilty of not paying attention to the pandemi it's democrats that were so focused on impeachment and attacking the president while h was actually taking action like stopping travel from china, and mobilizing our communities to provide resources, and ppe gear and ventilators and other thing that hospitals and our first responders needed.

and back with us, bob woodward breaking the scandal with carl bernstein, authoring 13 best selling books get the new one we've been discussing this hour, "rage." so good to have you both here. >> nice to be with you. >> nice to have you both. i'm guessing, bob, that you know each other. >> only in passing, i think. >> yeah? >>yeah. >> and by, you know, of course legendary reputation. >> yeah, i feel like nancy, again i'm tipping my hand here, but every journalist who's tried to do any work in washington knows of mr. woodward. but as you join us here for the first time tonight i turn to you, and a lot of times on fridays we just take a moment and reflect big picture. i'm curious what's on your mind, what if anything you think needs to fall back out there. >> you know, i would like to impunity of mark zuckerberg to fall back. i think this week for all of the hurricane of news we also saw more political ads being taken down because they were misleading even though millions of people had already seen them. we saw more russian accounts had to be taken down. you know, propublica has found half

carl bernstein. and dana bash. this is a killer if it gets you. i mean, he knew how deadly it was. he continued to down play the virus to the american people and is back to having indoor rallies. it's -- it defies understanding. i mean, just defies any sense of responsibility. >> i've given up trying to figure out how to articulate what you were trying to do, anderson. the key point what bob woodward reports in his book isn't ancient history where he's saying, you know, just even last month, there is nothing more i could have done. more could have been done as we speak. he doesn't have to hold a rally like that. do it outside. have people wear masks. this is happening right now. so this isn't history. this is contemporaneous and he could be changing it but he doesn't want to and he is forcing these events to continue knowing so full well how dangerous it is for his own supporters. >> yeah, but not for him because as he says he's on a stage and he's far away from them. carl, i mean, you hear the president's comments to woodward and see the june indoor rally in tulsa and henderson an

howie: that was carl bernstein in the earlier clip. joining us now, guy benson, the host of the guy benson radio show, gillian turner and clarence page, columnist for the chicago tribune. most of the mainstream media have made a flat declaration about the president's words to bob woodward. take a look at the news conference. >> why did you lie to the american people and why should we trust what you have to say of now. >> that's a terrible question and the phraseology. i didn't lie. the way you phrased that is a disgrace, it's a disgrace to abc television network. howie: guy, is that word, lying, fact or opinion? >> i think it's more on the opinion side, although it's rooted in some fact. there was clearly a disconnect here. look, this overall fire storm is christmas in september for the media, right. they were able to turn away from issues that were less comfortable for them like rioting in the streets when it comes to their goals of electing joe biden and they were able to come back to this whole question of coronavirus and relitigate

. >> you were in your late 20s when you broke watergate with carl bernstein. that seems to be a great age for journalists to break stories. what do you think america's adversaries, bob, took away from that debate last night, whether they were watching in russia or china or iran or anyplace else? >> i thought maybe they thought it was the late night comedy show "early" or something like that. they could make no more sense out of it. the problem, as you so well know, under the constitution the president controls foreign relations. he is the face of the united states to the world. and -- i mean, joe biden now running for president, i don't think he can go abroad now because then there will be questions he's trying to subvert the president, he's trying to act like the president. the president has such control on foreign relations, and he's decided, let's have good relations with putin, with china for a while he was subservient. now he realizes what he was told the end of january by his national security team that the chinese lie, the chinese can't be trusted, and

tonight carl bernstein repeated something he said last night. explosive thing ever recorded by a president, that it pales in comparison what was recorded by nixon in watergate. my words, not his, makes it look almost quaint and of its time. given that we're talking about 193,000 souls lost, do you concur? >> yeah. it's -- it's two vital pieces of information that are -- would in any ordinary time be dispositive in a presidential election that, as you pointed out, is 53 days away. what is different about this moment is that in previous presidential elections, the enlightenment itself was not on the ballot. but reason really is hanging in the balance here because for whatever reason -- and we can speculate about them -- 43% to 44% of the country is willing to follow the estranged uncle off the cliff. and, you know, we've talked a lot about structural racism in the country the past six months, and we should. there's also structural partisanship, and we've reached a point where -- which walter lippmann, 100 years ago, warned us about in 1921. he wro

. >> he mentioned carl bernstein obviously, we were going through our own reporting exercise once. i was saying to him, we have all the facts here, carl, but i don't know whether or not this is going to be enough for people when they're hearing this, he said, that's not the job, you can tell people it's true, you cannot make them believe what is true. people will believe what they want to believe, and that's exactly what this president is banking on. i got to tell you, anderson, this was helpful tonight. you did a job. >> sorry i ran over a minute into your show. >> you should have taken the whole show. what matters more than this. we now have two hard truths to deal with, the first, we just heard anderson with bob woodward. he made it clear, the president is aware and has always been aware of what is going on with this pandemic, the danger. how quickly it could spread. and he is only really concerned with his own political fate, not yours. he wants credit for a situation that was made worse by his inaction, he upplayed it, he just said, he didn't downplay it. it matters that he scr

" associate editor of bob woodward, famous for breaking open the watergate scandal along with carl bernstein in 1972. he conducted 18 on the record interviews with the president between december and july this year with his new book called "rage" coming out this week. today he released some of the audio recordings of those interviews and they are just infuriating both in what's said and also that we're just learning about them now. take a listen on what the president said on february 7th keep in mind, this is very early in the crisis here in the u.s. there was still hope it could be contained in china at that point. even the w.h.o. thought it might be possible. this is when we should have been building a testing regime. she talked about remote schooling and we all went what and her warning drew a heavy rebuke from trump's white house. listen to what trump had to say two weeks before. >> it goes through air, bob. that's always tougher than the touch. the touch, you know, you don't have to touch things but the air, you just breathe the air. that's how it's passed and so that's a very tricky one

history has had a more powerful effect on the american presidency beginning with his reporting with carl bernstein. knew how bad it could be >> and so what was president xi saying yesterday >> well, we were talking mostly about the virus. and i think he's gonna have it in good shape, but, you know, it's a very tricky situation it's uh -- >> indeed it is. >> it goes through air, bob. that's always tougher than touch. the air, you just breathe the air and that's how it's passed so that's a very tricky one. that's a very delicate one it's also more deadly than your -- you know, even your strenuous flus people don't realize we lose 25,000, 30,000 people a year here >> i know. >> this is more deadly this is five per -- you know, this is 5% versus 1% and less than 1%, so this is deadly stuff. >> this is deadly stuff. donald trump has still, to this day, never said anything like that publically. on february 7th, there were 330 million americans who needed to hear that, and tonld trump told exactly one of them, bob woodward there are people who are dead tonight who might be alive if they heard donald trum

his first investigation, reported with carl bernstein, led to the resignation of richard nixon. for "rage," mr. trump agreed to 18 recorded interviews. many, which you're about to hear, started with the words of the white house operator," mr. woodward? the president." mr. trump called, sometimes late at night, to talk about "black lives matter," the threat of nuclear war, and about the dire warning he received during an intelligence briefing this past january. >> bob woodward: on january 28th of this year, before the virus was on anyone's radar, the national security advisor, robert o'brien, told the president, "this virus will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency." >> pelley: what was the president's reaction? >> woodward: his head popped up, and he asked questions. >> pelley: president trump's questions in the january 28 meeting exposed a difference of opinion. beth sanner, from the office of the director of national intelligence, said the virus might be no worse than sars in 2003, when there were only eight known infections in the u.s. but, wood

and woodward's longtime collaborator, carl bernstein, said yesterday on television that he thinks these are the worst tapes, worse than watergate, in presidential history. what's so important here is it's president trump in his own words, in his own voice, acknowledging that he was deceiving the public and lying about the breadth and the danger posed by this virus, and it had deadly consequences, obviously. we're at over 190,000 lives lost in the united states, vastly greater death toll than any other country in the world. and, you know, to hear woodward in that excerpt you played there makes me think of the epilogue in his book "rage." at the very end of the book, woodward actually draws a conclusion about president trump, which is not something he has done in past books. he's very much a reporter's reporter, just presents the facts. but in "rage" he says, look, i can arrive at no other conclusion but to say this is the wrong man for the job. >> which is so extraordinary, coming from bob woodward who is always standing off from his subjects. peter, you're the father of two beautiful li

relentless dysfunction of the trump white house, what bob woodward's former reporting partner carl bernstein called the president's homicidal failure to not tell the american people about the coronavirus what president trump thinks about on golf courses. what dr. anthony fauci thinks about donald trump and what donald trump's son-in-law says about donald trump behind his back, and that son-in-law, jared kushner, today appeared on the "today" show and disputed a passage in bob woodward's book. here is that passage on page 264. >> utterly lost on jared kushner is the irony that other members of the trump administration portray him as one of the overconfident idiots working for president trump in the woodward book >> so you were not referring -- i just want to be clear, because you just said -- woodward says you were referring to general mattis, tillerson and gary cohen, an economic adviser you're saying that's not who you meant? >> no, that wasn't clear he's got tapes of everything, i have tapes of everything so that was never implied. but i will say that president trump now has phenomenal peo

relentless dysfunction of the trump white house, what bob woodward's former reporting partner carl bernstein called the president's homicidal failure to tell the american people the truth about the coronavirus. the pained resignations of trump cabinet members who believe they were protecting the country and the world from donald trump. what donald trump thinks about on golf courses. what dr. anthony fauci thinks about donald trump and what donald trump's seemingly worshipful son-in-law actually says about donald trump behind his back. and that son-in-law, jared kushner, today, appeared on "the today show" and he disputed a passage in bob woodward's book here is that passage on page 264. "and by the way," kushner added, "that's why the most dangerous people around the president are overconfident idiots." it was apparently a reference to mattis, tillerson and gary cohn. all had left if you look at the evolution over time, we've gotten rid of a lot of the overconfident idiots and now he's got a lot more thoughtful people who kind of know their place and know what to do. utterly lost on jared ku

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