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we're joined by carl bernstein. is something i've never heard you say in decades of reading and watching you that one individual should not be president, poses a threat to the presidency. why is donald trump such a unique threat that he's causing you to issue this warning? >> well, first of all, he doesn't understand democracy. the country we have, the united states, was one of the rare countries formed on an idea. and that idea is democracy. he doesn't understand that the january 6th committee has proven that. he does not understand that he's got to take care of the people. he's got to give them advice, warning, and he didn't do that. carl and i have been talking about this for 50 years, since the nixon case. >> carl, what's your take on bob's work here, obviously, and the warning he's issuing? >> this is a level of transgression by a president of united states that is unique in our history. and the power of listening to trump be negligent with bob on the phone, the level of transgression in every regard. he has no

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joining us right now is bob woodward, cnn political analyst, carl bernstein.her, they broke some of the biggest stories in watergate scandal separately. they remain prolific authors, investigative reporters, and bob gates, one of the leading -- one of the moments we've just seen. bob, you just watch this for the first time. as you reflect, what sticks out to you? >> but what it tells us about donald trump, i. i mean, the idea that he was watching this, the case has been made that it's prove-able that he's behind this. so, where's the common decency? and then as you noted, the republican leaders, kevin mccarthy from the house, mitch mcconnell from the senate, are in on this. they are meeting with pelosi and schumer. they are trying to get out of it, and what are the relations that no one had donald trump's cell phone number or knew how to get a hold of him? in a way. and then i guess the third thing, which is so important, there is a moral authority dimension to the presidency. the president, as we know, somebody will get detained illegally in russia, china, ir

some amazing journalistic work, and he and bernstein together at one point, but you looked at carl bernsteinlso not immune to this idea of journalists now just letting their opinion fly because that's the new era we're in. so i i think, yes, that's certainly captured on those tapes also, and and it's just another example, i think, of where the industry is overall. bob woodward, someone when's done incredible journalism, and now he's kind of pundit-y. howard: right, but he obviously does original reporting as we see from these interviews. steve, thanks very much. >>> quick note here, president biden now scheduled to do several rallies. remember when "the new york times" came out and said he's not doing any rallies? the white house was all about saying, well, rallies done work anymore, and we're going to be above the fray and talk about policy. clearly, this criticism stung because now he's going to do some rallies. also the, all the leaks, the authorized leaks about tom brady? turns out tmz broke the story first that he and gisele bundchen are getting divorced. sad spectacle. and he's having

former nixon white house counsel john dean and carl bernstein and franklin forward. day? what questions still need to be answered? >> the big question is, how, wide and deep is the consider to stop free elections in this and open and shut case that donald trump impeded that most basic element of our democracy, that he stood at the head of a conspiracy to undermine free elections in this country, that we are going to see today including a tiktok, parts of it that the committee has developed that on january 6th, the 1887 law that specifies you have to have the president of the united states elected on that day beginning at 1:00 p.m. by the congress, that law was impeded, trump identified the weak spot in american democracy which is you impede that meeting, you don't let it happen and you have set the grounds for a revolution to impede the free election and that's what happened. all those witnesses, you saw come out of the courthouse and that evan was talking about a moment ago, they most of them are the conspirators with the president of the united states. >> marc short

mid-quarter update that was actually positive, carl, they thought things were doing okay >> real good handle on a business >> august had accelerated and that -- bernstein yesterday was a head fake. they thought this was going to be another one >> i'm going to be out there i have met evan spiegel. incredibly nice. >> oh, boy here we go >> incredibly nice >> he gets an incredibly nice. >> i got a selfie with him >> i remember when we met with him before the company went public >> he did it he tried a lot of big companies tried to get involved, thought they really had something, and what they didn't do -- what they didn't do was look at the damn product. had they looked at the product, i think they would say, wait a second, what is the roi for casper in this ad? and the answer is, go to amazon. listen to mueller. listen to mueller at procter & gamble he's not putting -- he's not advertising tide >> all right >> what? >> the read through to meta. >> no. >> all right, i'm glad we dealt with that. >> okay, next issue. >> carl? >> if meta screws up, i'm not going to work that day >> meta has ten million advertisers as opposed to snap, which doesn't have anyth