smith" is provided in part by hillco partners, a texas government affairs consultancy, claire and carl stuart, and by laura and john beckworth, hobby familyoundation. [evan smith] i'm evan smith, he's an award winning poet whose memoir, "how we fight for our lives" has just been published. he's saeed jones, this is "overheard." (upbeat music) [smith] let's be honest, is this about the ability to learn or is this about the experience of not having been taught properly? how have you avoided what has befallen other nations in africa? you could say that he made his n bed, but you caused him to sleep in it. yoow, you saw a problem and ov time, took it on. let's start with tt sizzle before we geto the steak. are you gonna run for president? n let i think i just g sizzle bef f from you, actually. (laughing) this is "overheard." (audience applauding) [smith] saeed jones, welcome. [saeed jones] thank you, hey! on [smith] and congratula- [jones] thank you so much. [smith] --on this. i think it's an enormous accomplishment. [jones] thank you. [smith] of this book. as i shared with you before we came out