the ccp is not within the reach of us law, and neither is bytedance.tisan basis, acted the way they did because this is a unique national security threat. �* ., unique national security threat. ., ., threat. before i let you go, we know that _ threat. before i let you go, we know that 19 — threat. before i let you go, we know that 19 january _ threat. before i let you go, we know that 19 january is - threat. before i let you go, we know that 19 january is the - know that 19 january is the deadline, 20 january donald trump comes into office. how confident are you that the incoming trump administration will actually enforce this law if it does go into effect? i think they will. i have met with incoming trump administration officials including mike wallace who is my colleague and friend from congress, who will be the national security adviser, and they see this threat the same way we do, which is, they want tiktok to survive, but not under chinese control, not under chinese control, not under ccp control. so i am hopeful that even now, donald trump can en

the ccp is maneuvering behind the scenes, is trying to make deals. it's very self-interested in many ways and what is trying to do around the world. and it essentially has a huge number of people that has to keep happy so this needs the economic while is to continue to turn. do not want to diminish or at all suggest is not dangerous. it's a different model because it's trying to capture and exploit resources and workers around the world. russia in the past couple of years is make the policy decision to actively try to overturn an upset democratically elected governments. going after some of the weakest also elsewhere around the world there's an internal domestic fight between parties or between different factions. and tries really hard for the democratic. i want to talk a bit about georgia because that's really alarming to us in the u.s. government right now after 12 years the georgia dream will have a very contested election. and we see this play out in terms of russia trying very hard to support this party essentially copycat bypassing a foreign ag

the ccp is offering manufacturing industrial help to russia that essentially helps the defense sector and the defense industrial base in russia, which then indirectly or directly helps the war machine. we and our allies and much of the world have stood up and said it was unacceptable for russia to invade ukraine in a gross violation in february 2022. defending the u.n. charter, defending the ideals of sovereignty, defending the notion of democracy. as its people have expressed and desired. this cooperation of russia's war machine and their continuing ability to fight in ukraine is deeply worrisome. that is one example. i want to talk a little bit about russia and what they are doing. it's model of de-democratization and promotion of authoritarianism is different in flavor from the ccp. it is very self-interested in many ways and what it is trying to do. it needs its economic engines to continue to turn. i don't want to diminish or suggest that it is a different model. russia in the past couple years has made the policy decision to actively try to overturn and upset democratically elec

but is jimmy lai a threat to ccp rule? no, he's a guy that would like to spend his last years with his family. yeah. so let's turn to the questions. the people identify yourself and, wait for the mic and also make sure it's a question. no, you can make a statement here. so please, right here. hi, i'm lisa harnett from booz allen hamilton. thanks much for the book. my question, i'm assuming jimmy lai must have faced that there were some political prisoner in china in some time in his life that he wanted to help get out. i'm guessing what was his playbook like this? do you know, like jimmy lai's playbook for what the u.s., the uk should be doing to get him out? that's interesting. i don't know that there was a particular earlier political prisoner that he tried get out. he go. when liu xiaobo got the nobel peace prize, of course, knew ended up dying chinese custody. jimmy went to the nobel peace prize where there was famously an empty chair on the stage. so i think jimmy want to and wants to be part of the tradition, the chi

none of the justices believe that bytedance, as a ccp—controlled company has first amendment rights. national security, and that's why congress acted in the way it did, which is allow tiktok to continue to survive but not under ccp control. because if ccp continues to control it, it will have access under its national security laws to the data of 170 million people. we know that it has repeatedly stolen tens of millions of americans�* records, data, including in the anthem, equifax and office of personnel management hacks, and it's only a matter of time before they did the same with tiktok and so, that's why congress acted. there's been a different reaction from tiktok influencers, including nadya 0kamoto. she's the cofounder of august, a period care lifestyle brand. i asked her what she makes of concerns about about national security. they're frustrating to hear, especially as a content creator, where this platform has been such a powerful tool for positive change and even work around reproductive rights especially for me over the last two years i think it has been an extremely posi

>> we can't get rid of the ccp unless you want a war with china.is a competitor to the united states. president trump understands peter navarro will finally take it serious again. we will protect our interests. thank you. >> this will be the last question. >> i lost my voice yesterday. what is one of your favorite memories of trump? >> well. favorite memory of trump. [laughter] the proudest moment of my career every six months we have to do decide it was time to decide in the called me into oval office and had the whole government called us heavy you tell these guys why iran deal. he knew why the week told him. that was my proudest moment. merry christmas. [cheering and applauding] ♪♪ ♪♪ >> of parallel economy of diversity, equity and inclusion. >> they don't belong in there. we've got to get them or fight. ♪♪ >> an amazing opportunity to be here with you and the next. i will give you five minutes, and then i will give a 90 minute talk to explains the monetary system will we have to do to make money again in america. you already know this but the f

. >> when you have the ccp watching over everything.under the ccp's microscope and they're probably exerting their influence within these companies as well. maria, we talked about in the past and you specifically have brought up some direct defense risks that are out there. for example, the chinese drone manufacturer dji, that is a direct defense risk to the united states but there are also indirect or derivative defense risks to the united states as well like tiktok which we've been talking about for probably two, three years. i don't even know how long we've been talking about that. where obviously the ccp has access to certain user data and they're changing the algorithm for u.s. citizens versus the algorithm that exists over there in china. so look, when you look at all these companies, yes, they're ts certainly defense risks. 50 were added. there probably should be 50 added today or tomorrow after that because all of these companies are influenced by the ccp. maria: right. and if we were talking with jonathan ward today, jonathan w

because they have -- >> we can't get rid of the ccp unless you want war with china, okay. china is the primary competitor to the united states and good news is a that president trump understands that and with a lack of pita, navarro back in the white house, we'll finally take it seriously again. but, we're not going to start a war with china, but we'll protect our interests. thank you. question.yo >> what is one of your favorite memories of trump? >> wow. favorite memories of trump. the proudest moment of my career to date, every six months we have to decide what 20 do with the iran deal. obama's abortion of iran deal. it i was time to decide and the president called meo and steve bannon into the oval office and had the whole cabinet there. whole cabinet and called us his heavies and said, all right, my heavies, you tell these guys why we have to kill the iran deal. we told them. he knew why, but we told them and then he killed it. that was my proudest moment. god bless you all and merry christmas. [ cheering ] >> wow, what an honor to follow seb and be here in phoenix wit

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one of the issues will be that the new buyer will not likely rely on the ccp algorithm.re is real separation between the buyer and where they store the data of users and access from china. that was the whole problem with project texas, which was the effort by tiktok to try to convince both the biden and trump administration's than american user data was safe from authorities in china. repeatedly that was found to be untrue and repeatedly tiktok executives came to capitol hill and told falsehoods about the separation that did not exist. mike: we have seen that the odds grow that tiktok will go dark on sunday. users talk about using other chinese apps like lemonade or read note. to those present any security concerns for you or your colleagues on capitol hill and with this law apply? rep. krishnamoorthi: after years of investigation of bytedance, we know that bytedance's applications are problematic. one of them is tiktok. another is lemonade. lemonade would also be covered by this law. with regard to other social be applications that might be controlled by a foreign adver

, we look more broadly cover handsomely at all threats from entities not just china but tied to the ccpt that broader conversation continues to take place in the near term, tiktok and then others from security risk perspective. >> one of the thinks encompass has been working with our companies is international proceeding where the commission is looking at making significant changes to ownership review and different time frames in which licensees may need to come back to the fcc to do ownership review be on merger agreements were often the fcc is like an ownership structure. any thoughts, that's comfy just a big data collections i anotr probably, think a lot of data that any thoughts about how the commission might be able to use that rulemaking process to do further reviews of international authorization? >> look, the relationships that are issued when you talk about undersea cable are getting increasingly complicated, whose leasing, whose only, pushing it to transmit data. it's appropriate for the fcc to make sure getting the right information about how this undersea cables are being us

. >> so we can already see that the ccp has a split screen view of how to use tiktok, and there is non why we have to allow ourselves to be subject to their ideological manipulation. >> when xi jinping calls the smokeless battlefield, it'd be like if in the 1960s, walter cronkite was a soviet spy. it's just nonsensical that this is somehow a first amendment issue. >> okay, let me get to what happened this week with donald trump refusing to rule out using military force to take control of greenland and the panama canal. now, look, it may seem like just a distraction, but now your republican colleague, congressman dusty johnson, proposed a bill allowing the federal government to repurchase the canal, which president carter turned over to panama half a century ago, in 1977. johnson is arguing china's influence on the vital shipping canal is a national and economic security risk. but here's the thing. you know, this region, i mean, we have this picture of you, you're there training panamanian troops in the canal zone during your time in the marines. panama says it is not interested in sel

currently as it is, tiktok america which is owned by the communist chinese ccp is a national security have tools to solve that. another threat it is a safety issue for our children it can cause a lot of anxiety. we need to change the algorithm and where we have the servers and should be an american should not be in china we need to change the algorithm to promote positive content and not negative content that's created a generation of anxious teenagers and the age of social media. speaking of being anxious. it's a long time since i took constitutional law and law school but i think free-speech is a fundamental right if i recall correctly but so is national security. when they collide with one another, how do we resolve how do we resolve speech was security. >> that is a great question i am not a lawyer i'm a technologist and an entrepreneur. the way that we resolve it in my ideas to have the tiktok servers in america, why do we need to have it in china and why do we have this manipulative algorithm to make a profit. i think he could be a profitable company in america that is owned by

the ccp provides the chemicals that produces fentanyl that kills thousands of americans every year. do you see any link between -- we see that link, do we see any links between the ccp and china and the drones, the technology that's being used to surveil our border and it's being used to help the cartels in their quest to transport people, drugs, guns anything into the united states. >> it is no secret that the preponderance of the u.s. technology is manufactured in china and that the cartels are using that very technology. we share your concerns. there's a reason why we don't use chinese drones and whether they knowingly or unknowingly are potentially checking information for the government of china. >> that's it. that's all the questions i have. yield back. >> the chair recognizes mr. tanadar with his question. >> thank you. the operation of the cus technologies to intercept drones is sensitive as it generally requires seizure of property without a warrant. to do so, the operators must hack into the signal used to control the drones which aufrp involves hacking into a cell phone o

we know for a fact that xi jinping and the ccp want to undermine if not destroy american leadership.smokeless battlefield of the internet and information and ideological warfare and the power of short videos and discourse but we repeatedly ignore the threats. that's the critical difference in why it's about ownership. it is about changing ownership because it would be an act of self immolation or suicide to allow our enemy to control this. >> martha: people who expose themselves to tiktok a lot basically have a different view of china because they are not allowing adverse views about the chinese communist party to be on tiktok and the only thing i want to point out that i always go back to his china does not allow tiktok in china. chinese kids cannot use tiktok the way that our kids and adults do. they have a different version that pushes out chinese history through their viewpoint and math problems essentially. they don't allow kids to spend 3-4 hours using their screens on tiktok all day. it says a lot. we will be watching this. the 19th is the deadline and mike gallagher, head of

people are trying to avoid ccp oversight in the united states. question about this is a tit-for-tat or broader recognition and a decoupling of tech in the united states and china. annmarie: we talked about how we all read this detailed report over the weekend. the first line talks about chinese hackers shutting down thousands of u.s. ports and power grids and infrastructure targets. jake sullivan told executives at a secret meeting in the white house in the fall of 2023, more than a year ago. jonathan: shocking when you think about the policy towards china. you have to go back a couple of years. they were considering taking tariffs off china because of the inflation fight, which is amazing given everything that's happened since then over the past years. annmarie: they were looking at any lever they can pulled get inflation down. this was the biggest issue joe biden had domestically. one was going to be potentially, a big treasury versus national security concern debate for months, and in the end joe biden said we will keep the tariffs on. it is s

the ccp seem eager to avoid confrontation, xi is sending a top—level envoy to the inauguration and int trump is someone they know, that they can deal with. might that strategy work? the trump administration will force them into that position? i would challenge the premise of the question, you are right china at a diplomatic and rhetorical level talks about cooperation but if you look at their behaviour on a day—to—day basis, they have military coercion, police station set up in the united states to spy on chinese nationals in the united states, daily stealing of electoral property it is a confrontational policy overlaying the nice rhetoric. i don't think the trump administration will go for that, they will allow chinese representatives at the inauguration but i suspect they have allies that are present in some of the early diplomatic engagement medal to deliver tough messages say to china read out the rap sheet of our concerns, and tell them that will be a tough approach unless they change course. fine will be a tough approach unless they change course.— will be a tough approach unless

but also the ccp the neo- marxists on the left have been radicalizing the far left blm movement making violence cool as a result hamas has been endorsed to the point you and i did not see when we were talking on 2008, 2010 when i began testifying to congress about our need to have a program of islamism. not this generic mindless and violent extremism. but countering the ideas. sr's a quarter of the world but three quarters of the world that lives under tierney that hates america's anti- americanism is driving this but we need solutions and solutions cannot come fast enough as they will in a few weeks with a president trump or when you start having a strategy of promoting an offense of a pro- american pro americann start to push back against the viral ideology that infects mines. >> and yet with the woke is him, the embrace of the marxist left, particular in the democrat party in the media. pro americanism and this assimilation into americanism and people who come here is just not happening right now. president trump wants to push back on that but it's going to be quite a task, isn't it

>> the fact that the chinese in ccp buying up farmlands around the military installations and plans bys over the country with no consequence what so ever. launching drones to spy on the american people and the mid-darien gap leading fentanyl across the borders to poison tens of thousands of people. look, chain is not just a competitor as democrats like to say but and have a serial nation. we so that when they lined with china, russia, north korea. some of the most vile is the part of those administration so we need trump to come in and get necessary tariffs template phasd economic deals and they know he will hold adversaries accountable when he eliminated -- and when he listed terrorists as terrorists. he will go after the cartels and president trump will hopefully take back foreign lands from the chinese ownership and return it back to the american people because food security is national security. spilling your pet and that includes keeping u.s. steel and ownership and not giving it to y other country. congressman i want to ask about breaking news tonight. when biden pardoned hunter

it is moving it out of control of the ccp. we've had very spirited conversations in our home about that very topic but yes, if you asked me to we need to do more absolutely. >> on the state level or federal level? >> i hope the states will be. i hope they will lead but it's important for us to push this conversation from a federal level as well. i have partnered with brian shot senator chris murphy on this and myself and tom cotton myself and ted cruz. those are not for people you typically see pushing on one issue but we've all come to the table not as democrats or republicans, that is people on the left or right but people we are parents, parents of teenagers. we are seeing the effects that only within her home but with our friends and their parenting experience of what we're seeing our children's friends as well. we have to put up guardrails. you know this but the data speaks for itself. yet one in three young women saying she considered taking her own life last year. you have 9% of our high school population saying they at

how far the ccp has penetrated our most sensitive communication and why the way our infrastructure.t's extremely disturbing the "wall street journal" did a phenomenal report on in this weekend. this despite the billions of dollars we spent over the years on the deep state. what is china planning? we will dig into that later in the show. meanwhile, there is really zero sense from what can i tell that at least democrats in elected office have a clue about how to fix their own mess. they are still lying about the biden cover-up. >> schumer what do you say to americans that you and top democrats misled them about president biden's mental acuity? >> look, we didn't and let's look -- let's look at president biden he has had amazing record. legislation we passed one of the most significant groups of legislation, since the new -- lyndon johnson society. 235 judges a record. is he a patriot. is he great guy. >> laura: headline there is they are still lying. they lied about biden. they are still lying about their record. they lied about trump they lied about january 6th. they are still doing

on tiktok it says taken together these findings weighs the distinct possibility it's a vehicle for a ccpints to the fact that win users search tn admin tibet or others, they found more pro-chinese leadership feedback then they would have found on instagram or other places as you point out. so the question is now that this is before the supreme court what needs to happen? we know there is an industry and the strong lobby group in favor of keeping tiktok in this country. >> well, my hope is that this up in court will uphold our law and i am encouraged by the fact the d.c. circuit court ruled unanimously in upholding the law. that includes an ideologically diverse range of highly distinguished justices so my hope is that the supreme court will do the same pair however, i do want to say that for those who want the app to continue in america and want to continue to use it our law allows for that. at allows for aid investment peer the only thing standing in the way of a divestment right now is the chinese communist party. it continue -- can continue as long as it is not owned and controlled by

believe it because we saw a complete turn in the markets after all this hype about stimulus out of ccp. maria: look as soon as election results were known a huge rally back to so-called rally of u.s. exceptionalism u.s. started to outperform almost every year of the globe by wide margin certainly boiling point to consider as we head into 2025 despite some s lackluster momentum some other sectors technology, magnificient 7, i hate to say sound like a broken record i think where to position for 2025. >> all right. wealth of knowledge from you as always mark newton joining us the laken riley first piece of legislation proffered by new congress most dmots voted glenz the bill including next guest ka congressman ro chan is here. >> you are watching "mornings with maria" live on "fox business." . inside i confess, i'm leaving. . i didn't do this for the fame. i did it to pay it forward to the next generation of athletes. ♪ i joined sofi because they've helped millions of members bank, borrow, and invest for their ambitions. sofi. get your money right. (vo) weight loss. for so long, i felt st

>> look, the first thick we have to look at is the fact that the chinese and ccp have been buying upg around our military installations, flying spy balloons across the country no consequence whatsoever. launching drones and continuing to try spy on the american people and sitting in the darien gap allowing fentanyl and other things to cross into our borders to poison tens of thousands of people. look, china is not just a competitor as the democrats like toy. is a they are adversarial nation. >> we saw that when they align themself with china, russia and north korea. some of the most vial individuals are part of those administrations. what we need to do is we need to trump to come in, get the necessary tariffs in place. china has seen that with a phase one deal. they know the president will make good economic deals. they know hold adversaries accountable when he they eliminated will baghdad. listed terrorists terrorists. he going to go after the cartelling and secure our borders. president trump is going to homefully take back farm lands from the chinese ownership and turn it back to

now, remember, congressman mike gallagher, he was then chair of the select committee on the ccp.e laid it all out in stark terms saying in 2023 the visitor to the panama canal might think they are in china. ports at both ends everywhere the canal are managed from companies from the people's republic of china while huawei dominates the country's telecom system. pretty important, don't you think? since 2018 panama has been a member of china's belt and road initiative as well and xi's plan to come to nate all global trade is part of this do we really want china dominating a canal that's central to our trade? if they take control of enough of pan marks could china ultimately use it as a station for its military? these are valid questions. again, each raising this issue is somehow unaffront to official washington. how dare you stand up for the united states? you are threatening the global order donald trump. if trump can make a deal for strategically important greenland? why wouldn't that be a good thing? >> we need greenland for national security purposes. i have been told that for a

does not attract that cash it will flow into china-backed projects and strengthen the ccp's global influencee's what lahane told me from d.c.. >> this is a race that the u.s. absolutely has to win. i'm confident that the u.s. will win and the democratic ai will prevail, but at the end of the day to make that happen we need to have the infrastructure in this country. infrastructure is destiny. that infrastructure gives us the raw computing power to make sure that the u.s. continues to lead and that we're able to build democratic ai all over the world. >> he also says that that $175 billion is mostly from foreign investors, think of sovereign wealth fund, pensions, and private capital. he says the key to winning is through chips data and he does argue for public incentives and regulation that would establish clear rules of the road. there's a line in there about models being trained with neutral political values as they put it as a default trying to counter the woke ai criticism. as you mentioned with the new administration they're playing to this new group in this report. i asked him about wh

. >> there are other ways of the ccp is conducting surveillance that's what we hear about tiktok as wellpeople who abuse the visa process and are here conducting surveillance, the ban on tiktok is coming this sunday if the parent company by dance can't sell the app to a u.s. buyer will become illegal for the app stores and web services to sell or distribute in anticipation some tiktok users, some americans as well flocking to another chinese app which is largely chinese a little red book or read note it's a heavily censored out and used exclusively by chinese speakers what is your stance on the tiktok beyond in your observation of americans going to the southern chinese app. >> from a national security perspective think about china having access to 170 million u.s. phones and sending messages. if there is an engagement on taiwan they could say we are the victims and spread the disinformation to 170 million people. i think if tiktok is to remain it has to be under a u.s. authority a u.s. person and we have to assure that that does not allow china any access to the phones or ability to sen

. >> it looks like tiktok is being exploited from the ccp propaganda and the propaganda may well be havingon heavy users have tiktok. >> tiktok ten eyes chinese government influence of american user experience. a spokesperson tells fox come on, a full's predetermined conclusion creating fake accounts that interact with the app and prescribed manner does not reflect clearly a service experience just as the so-called study does not reflect reality. to the supreme court will hear oral arguments friday on tiktok's challenge to require the apps and chinese parent country bytedance to sell u.s. operations for shipping by ju june 19th or january 19th, excuse me. president trump wants a delay in implementation of the law to paul during his administration, which begins 12:00 the next day, john. >> john: trump seems inclined to work with the people at tiktok. >> he wants to find political solutions. >> john: rich, good to see you, sandra. >> sandra: a 180 on censorship and how does a plan to post free speech?ogas martha maccallum head on that just ahead. you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the

. >> certainly tiktok is serving up far less information, search results, critical of the ccp than otherwe find this substantial association between time spent on tiktok and i would say unduly favorable views of china and the chinese communist party. >> it indicated tiktok users held more positive china's human rights record. they deny it dictates the american user experience. a spokesperson says this flawed experiment was engineered to reach a false, pre-determined conclusion creating fake accounts that interact with the app in a prescribed manner does not reflect real users' experience as the so-called study does not reflect facts for reality. friday the supreme court will hear oral arguments requiring bytedance to sell u.s. operations or shut them down by january 19th. president trump asked for a delay to fall into his administration. >> dana: maybe more questions on that as well coming up at 11:00 when he has this press conference. >> louisiana a.g. ordering a security investigation. the people in louisiana deserve answers and committed to getting a full and complete picture of what

but it's not 2046, which is the 100th animals of the ccp.t probably in the next couple years. >> thank you very much. let's move on to trading this topic and china stocks in particular. tim, your thoughts? >> well, first of all, talking about the chinese currency, the local currency overnight breached 7.3 on the exchange rate, which is a level they have been trying to defend. i am not saying that they won't continue to try to defend it, but i think you have to watch the currency here and have to atch currency flight, that's something that chass china very nervous in the past. china is a market that most investors that watch the show don't need to own. it's a market that selectively there are names that you can own. now, 24 shaped up to be the year that china sentiment was as low as i have ever seen in all my years trading international. that was probably appropriate. if you think about it, we had a number of trades within that year. i continue to think names like alphabet and tencent, as long as the government lays are, are not really china

so we're going to start by ensuring the institution understands that as far as threats abroad, the ccp is front and center, also obviously defending our homeland as well. >> thank you very much. senator reed, you are recognized. >> well. thank you very much, mr. chairman. before i begin my questioning, i would like to make three requests. first, many of my members would like a second round. that has been the custom. senator hagel was afforded three rounds. senator ash carter, two rounds. and that was done by a republican chairman with the consent and the appropriate guidance of democrats. i must say to my recollection, is i've never denied anyone the opportunity to ask the second round of questions. as i chaired, i will request the second round. and my time is running. i think these are. >> oh, yeah. you're using your time? no. if the timekeeper will will pause the time. i, i must say i think we're going to have adequate time for questioning. and i know democrat members hav, have coordinated their questions as much as we have. and we are we are following the same exact precedent on on

as far as threats abroad, the ccp is front and center. also obviously defending our homeland as well. >> thank you very much. senator reid. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. i would like to make three questions before my questioning. first, many of my members would like a second round. that has been the custom, senator hagel was afforded three rounds. senator carter two rounds, and that was done by republican chairman with the consent and appropriate guidance of democrats. i must say, too, my recollection is i've never denied anyone the opportunity to ask the second round of questions. i would request a second round. >> my time has run out. >> you are using your time. >> the time keeper will pause the time. i must say i think we'll have adequate time for questioning. i know democrat members have coordinated their questions as much as we have but we are following the same exact precedent on all things that we did with secretary austin. so i respectfully understand what you are saying, but i think we have an agreement. it has been known

and it seems like based on evidence that we found in our research, that the ccp, or rather, tiktok, haswant american users to see. and while the focus of the conversation around the tiktok ban or sale in the united states is focused primarily on data privacy, which is an important aspect of this debate, tiktok also has the ability to act as a persuasive technology that can really persuade the masses. our kids, at scale. >> how effective has it been? >> so it's been quite effective. we conducted psychological surveys and found that the more. time young americans spend on tiktok, the more they have a positive view of china and their humans human rights record. and i want to go back, katie, just one second, because i know you raised the point that there was criticisms of that report that were actually cited in front of senate by the ceo of tiktok, and it was written by the cato institute. and what was very interesting is it was the only institution to critique some of our research on tiktok. and what they failed to disclose was that their chairman at the time of writing that critique in ca

circuit court of appeals repeatedly said, the ccp, the chinese communist party has stolen tens of millionss through the anthem hack, the equifax hack, or the hack of the office of personnel management. this is a loaded gun in terms of their access to millions of tiktok users personal data. we don't need to wait for a smoking gun and a dead body for congress to act. and that's what it did. >> you have a little more knowledge, i think, than most about these issues, because you are a lawyer as well. i think you went harvard law, so there's that. so i want to ask you about something else in the courts today, and that is president elect donald trump. he's a convicted felon, but there is no jail time. there is no fine. he won't face any further penalty. and i wonder what you make of that. and if it sends a signal about the criminal justice system, it does. >> it's dissatisfying. on the one hand, for others who convict, who are convicted of similar felonies, chris, as you know, they were sentenced to jail time. and so it's unfair that he would get a much more preferential sentence compared to the

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i agree with the ban on tiktok paired essentially, it's been proven that china, the ccp, an enemy ofca has access to collect meta bulk data and who knows how long they have been doing it. think about the different people who uses tiktok or may have used it in the past, u.s. citizens, u.s. military personnel, government personnel, federal employees. imagine all the data, authenticity stuff, and passwords that's been collected by the ccp through this tiktok thing, basically knowing everything on your device, biometrics included. imagine that data being sold off to a foreign entity -- foreign enemy. i agree with this tiktok been. it should have banded along time ago. it should be something that should be really not necessarily enforced but really pushed and make the public aware of the cyber threats of these apps. our foreign enemies can have access to everything, literally everything. thank you so much. thank you for c-span and god bless. maria: those concerns are certainly in line with the biden administration, the first trump administration, republicans and democrats on capitol hill,

i agree with the ban on tiktok paired essentially, it's been proven that china, the ccp, an enemy ofca has access to collect meta bulk data and who knows how long they have been doing it. think about the different people who uses tiktok or may have used it in the past, u.s. citizens, u.s. military personnel, government personnel, federal employees. imagine all the data, authenticity stuff, and passwords that's been collected by the ccp through this tiktok thing, basically knowing everything on your device, biometrics included. imagine that data being sold off to a foreign entity -- foreign enemy. i agree with this tiktok been. it should have banded along time ago. it should be something that should be really not necessarily enforced but really pushed and make the public aware of the cyber threats of these apps. our foreign enemies can have access to everything, literally everything. thank you so much. thank you for c-span and god bless. maria: those concerns are certainly in line with the biden administration, the first trump administration, republicans and democrats on capitol hill,

when you look at the big picture threats from the ccp. >> well, look, we'll see. we'll see if you're in lockstep on january 20th or 21st, depending on what the president does. the reason i think this is such an interesting issue is because, as you say, the stakes are incredibly high. i mean, incredibly high in terms of what china is said to have a direct role in, and also because there is genuine bipartisan disagreement. i mean, there are democrats who agree with you 1,000%, but there are also republicans who disagree with you 1,000%. this is one of the few bipartisan issues we have in washington. there was a report bloomberg is reporting this morning that there are chinese officials who have been musing about the idea of selling tiktok to elon musk. what would you think about that? >> i don't know that i care who buys it. i know kevin o'leary, one of the sharks, has been talked publicly about maybe acquiring it as well. anybody in the world can buy tiktok as long as it's not iran, north korea, russia or china, anybody else can run it. that's what the first amendm