problematic for me. find out oleksandr khara, expert on foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategiesmr. oleksandr, i congratulate you and thank you for joining. good afternoon, mr. yuri, mr. oleksandr. please answer this question for me personally. the transformation of europe, maybe not the whole of europe , because the baltic countries have constantly expressed their support for us not only in words but also in deeds, but the transformation of some european countries, which began during the last week to actively give us e-weapons. how can you comment on this? well, you know, i'll start with the fact that there is such a guy on the network, your russophobia is not enough, and it seems to me that despite the fact that we are certainly grateful for the help, first of all , to the united states for such a large package with the help, of course, about such a historic decision again, the same germans, french this is certainly not enough for us to be able to liberate the ukrainian territory quickly with minimal losses, and that is why there is a dilemma to thank and say. give me more. act

talking about, we will talk about this later, the deputy chairman of the board of the center for defense strategiesthe ex-deputy minister of defense, joins the broadcast alina frolova of ukraine good evening good evening so polish president duda said that warsaw is handing over a company of leopard tanks to kyiv, our colleagues said that it is about 10 . ukraine, well, i definitely won't specify. because here it is necessary to understand how much is being transferred there. i think that it will be publicly known after these tanks appear in ukraine, ah, so, how long, it's also difficult to say, because obviously these tanks are available. we don't know if there is already a delivery schedule, we don't know how long it will take to prepare the documents, poland is such a very serious lobbyist and relayer of our interests in europe, so i think it will be quite fast but a company of tanks is really not a critical model of supply and we need to expect a larger number in order to be able to develop some lines of attack or perform some other tasks that are provided for in which general staff i i just wan

to the former ukrainian deputy minister of defense, who's currently deputy head of the center for defense strategiesnk tank. >> always military -- they know the missions, so just -- we understand we have losing equipment, and we need to restore it. therefore, one of the biggest part -- and it is important because they can be easily delivered, be easily stored, they can complete the mission. the decision is also who is -- family, everyone. we do agree we need this type of equipment now. >> the european court of human rights has ruled russia can be tried over the downing of flight m 817. it is seen as a step towds justice for the 298 people killed when the malaysia airlines flight was hit by a missile in 2014. the government argues moscow failed to investigate the incident and the subsequent disinformation about the role violated the human rights. and a hall again has spent the day in the hague. >> they have decided the case is admissible, despite the fact russia had argued the netherlands missed the timeframe to apply to the european court of human rights and had not fully explored the legal options

this was andriy ryzhenko, an expert of the center for defense strategies, a captain of the first rank in the reserve , friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel and also in our social networks for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook, i suggest you like this video, subscribe to our pages on youtube and facebook, and on youtube you can find the sponsor button and become a sponsor of our youtube channel, any help we need and need it. thank you for this, and read our news on the espresso tv website. we work 24 hours a day, seven days a week. the most up-to-date information from ukraine and the world is on our website. colonel of the reserve of the armed forces of ukraine mr. colonel good day and good health to you greetings i wish you good health roman so er, give er, let's start with the personnel reshuffles that began or rather continued in the russian federation because yesterday suroviken e-e went under gerasimov gerasimov became the commander of the combined forces on the territory of the ukrainian state, earlier we know that gerasimov was removed from

guest today - this is oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign and security policy at the center for defense strategies and thank you for joining our broadcast. good afternoon, mr. serhiy, it is very nice to be on your broadcast, so let's start today's statements, because many foreign colleagues are calling me in the morning and saying that he said this zelenskyi in davos about what he said putin is already dead, uh, but dead i immediately gave up. to be honest, these are the statements of zelenskyi, although these uh, questions about uh, whether putin is alive or dead, were rather rhetorical questions. let's take a fragment and see what he said in former president zelensky today i don't quite understand who to talk to and what to talk about yes i do not fully understand that he is alive or that he makes the decision or who there makes the decision that it was persons i do not have such information i do not fully understand how it is possible to promise the european leaders where and the next day to start alone not invasion of the state i just don't quite understand what we 're dealing with. so preside

how the situation developed, and i will do this with viktor kivlyuk, an expert at the center for defense strategies, a reserve colonel. greetings, mr. viktor good evening, well, actually, look at the last uh well, for six months, a lot of different details became known about how the war started, who did what and what happened, well, that's enough thorough materials of various contents about this, and the first question is, in principle , it will be like this: what do you think that was key in the successful deterrence of the russian offensive, first of all, on kyiv, well, i don't know that everything else doesn't need to be touched on, but since kyiv is a key point and actually, well, the success consisted in the fact that the russians didn't take it, that's why it's me i think it is very important, in general, that kyiv will be the main target of the russian offensive was understood a long time ago, and at least since 2019, there have been no command-and-control exercises during which options for the development of the aggression of the russian federation against ukraine and its attempts to take k

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hour i want to introduce our first guest now - this is andrii ryzhenko, an expert at the center for defense strategies, a captain of the first rank of the reserve p. good day to andrii. good health to you and i am glad that you are on our air. good day, let's start our conversation from yesterday's meeting in lviv , the representatives of the lublin triangle, the presidents of ukraine, poland, and lithuania, in a special format, and yesterday , during this meeting, the president of poland, angie and duda, announced that a company of leopard 2 tanks would be provided to ukraine in a word, let's hear and see what the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelensky, said about this meeting. poland made a decision to transfer tanks to ukraine. i thank you for this. to the state, the anti-aircraft system, the weapons we need to protect against iranian drones , to protect our energy industry. thank you litanos for this next manifestation of unchanging principled support for ukraine, which began before february 24 and will continue until our victory. today i heard this confidence once again from angel and from gita

of that how the situation developed and i will do it victor kivylyuk, an expert at the center for defense strategies, a reserve colonel. greetings, viktor. good evening. actually, look at the last six months. well, a lot of different details about how the war started, who did what and what happened, well, that's enough thorough materials of various contents about this, and the first questions will be in principle, this is what you think was the key in the successful deterrence of the russian offensive, first of all, on kyiv, well, i don't know that everything else should not be touched on, but since kyiv is the key point and actually, well, the success consisted in the fact that the russians did not take it, that’s why i consider it very important in general that kyiv will be the main goal of the russian offensive. the options for the development of the aggression of the russian federation against ukraine, its attempts to take kyiv, respectively , the right moment, the right time, the right city , military leaders who spent many years training to defend the capital had quite a good set of plans, how

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ukraine thanks to oleksandr oleksandr hara , an expert on foreign security policy of the center for defense strategies and explained everything to us in terms of defense and armaments. actions and we will remind the vice-prime minister of ukraine for european integration in 2005 sir but already i congratulate you you are listening well i would like to ask you here is what it is possible you know there you have insiders cia director we already talked about it william burns at the end of last week, he secretly came to kyiv, he met with our intelligence, well, with zelensky well, and we remember that it was the director of the cia who also warned, in particular, our authorities about a full-scale invasion of russia, and now he also came so that this shows how you see this the history of officials, they must be sanctioned in this case by the president of the states that are there all of this is due to the fact that the united states, in particular , through the head of its intelligence, wanted to hear the plans once again. well, let's see how much the president of ukraine is in the mood, what is the mood

espresso we already have oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign and security policy at the center for defense strategiesedly wanted to start with you on the issue of the european union ukrainian prime minister denys myhal gave an interview to an influential american political publication and he said the following that ukraine expects to become a full member of the eu within the next two years quote, we have a very ambitious plan to join the eu in the next two years, and therefore we hope that this year, on the 23rd, we will have preliminary negotiations, he said well, one of the main issues at the eu summit of ukraine, which will be held on february 3 in kyiv, will be the issue of joining the full-fledged union; in addition, according to shumlya, ukraine expects a significant step forward at the upcoming summit, especially in issues such as the agreement on the visa-free regime for industrial goods the suspension of customs duties on ukrainian exports for another year and active progress in joining the payments scheme, including the single payment zone in euros and included in the inclusion of ukraine i

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oleksandr very much for the conversation oleksandr khara expert of the center for defense strategies and security policy diplomat of the defense of ukraine in 2020 let's move on to the new year andreya kalan official representative of the state department of the united states , we are on the air, welcome to ms. andre, yes, i understand, i can’t give an interview in ukrainian. i will read it. this is an important story. read it for our viewers and for you. the united states is committed to supporting the ukrainian people during the war of aggression unleashed by russia. we must ensure oversight of the use of funds. and resources provided by american taxpayers in support of ukraine we advise you to confidentially report any suspicious activity related to the program or operations of the us department of defense to the us state department, including the us agency for global media and the us agency for international development, to the respective state hotline indicated below and there is even a qr-code of the inspector general of the united states department of state, the united states

international support adds more to the air the guests are oleksandr kharak, an expert at the center for defense strategies, and hanna shelest , the director of the security studies program of the ukrainian prism. i welcome you on the air. i hope that together we will be able to understand more easily what processes are taking place in the high offices of western european capitals. well, the first question i have is the same for both of you: why countries the west is afraid to give tanks to ukraine so well, we understand the fear of escalation, but here is this red line, it is constantly moving and it is already very far from what it was, for example, a few months ago but still, what precautions still remain , how to work with them. kyiv is nice. let 's start with you. i think that the simplest answer will be because tanks are primarily perceived as offensive weapons compared to the same ones, even highmars, which we understand very well that even better ones can impress sometimes than strains and then the task is still in ukraine but in fact very often we presented them as defensive weapons and a lot of t

small moment of memory, and now our next guests are andrii ryzhenko, an expert at the center for defense strategieshetman, a military officer analyst, veteran of the russian-ukrainian war. greetings, dear colleagues, i am a little confused. i'm sorry. please tell me your assessment of yesterday's meeting. there was a lot of talk in rammstein about what we will receive as a result of this important meeting. tanks, different tanks, american or german. well, for now we will get nothing or almost nothing well, but there are evaluations and the like well, i read oleksiy reznikov about the fact that, well, not everything is voiced and not everything is talked about. therefore, it is necessary to properly evaluate these results, because it is obvious that we get more than was officially announced by andriyu what do you think about what was agreed upon yesterday and do you feel the received optimism on this matter? combat transporters that are able to provide armored vehicles, well, let's say the order of departure of our mechanized brigades, and among these armored personnel carriers, for example, there a

connection with the studio oleksandr hara , expert on foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategiescongratulations you, mr. oleksandr, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes , glory to the mothers well, let's start, mr. oleksandr, with the conversations that took place the day before between erdoğan putin and erdoğan zelenskyi and zelenskyi, what do you know that we know very little public information about, what three presidents, two presidents and one leader talked about the time of these phone conversations, please, well, of course, we know a minimum of information, but the positions have hardly changed in the key, let's say, participants of this triangle of ukraine, because today was a very cool video our president, where he said that we are going to return, either by force or diplomacy, the borders of 1991, and we actually know such a mantra that the russians repeat that they will fulfill all the tasks set before the operation, that is, in fact, the legalization of illegal annexation and the deprivation of ukraine's ability to defend itself, that is nothing has changed. well, of

oleksandr khara, expert of the center for defense strategies on foreign and security policy, diplomater to the minister of defense of ukraine, let's move on to the new year 2020. andreya kalan, officially the representative of the state department of the united states, we welcome ms. andre on the air, yes, i understand i can't give an interview on the ukrainian level . let's know what you will do then . i saw such a proposal for the hotline of the inspector general of the united states. states. and i will read them in ukrainian. this is an important story. read it for our viewers and for you. the united states is committed to supporting the ukrainian people during the aggressive war unleashed by russia. we must ensure oversight of the use of funds and resources provided by american taxpayers to support ukraine . any suspicious activity related to programs or operations of the us department of defense of the us department of state, including the us agency for global media and the us agency for of international development on the corresponding state hotline is indicated below and there

air of the espresso channel, victor kivylyuk is a reserve colonel and an expert of the center for defense strategiese the main military results of this busy , important day, and more news from my colleagues in the great on the air, so stay on the espresso channel. thank you very much serhiy zgurtsi, director of the defense express agency, this is to the host of the military summary of the day for his studio for these conversations, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelensky, thanked joseph biden for the decision to provide ukraine with abrams tanks, what the president of ukraine said. thank you to us president joe biden for another strong decision . abrams tanks were provided for these tanks. abrams is grateful to the american people for their powerful leadership support. this is an important step towards defeating the russian aggressor. now the free world is more united than ever for a common cause. we are moving forward with the goal of liberating ukraine from the invaders, said president zelenskyi, who by the way turns 45 today, and we can once again congratulate him on this well, what the time

espresso channel was broadcast by victor kivylyuk, a reserve colonel and an expert of the center for defense strategies, these were the main highlights of the military results. more international and economic news on this day. to my colleagues on the espresso channel, the director of the agency to france express and the host of the column for the military summary of the day. from the series why not talk, but today in the news there was information about the fact that lukashenko allegedly deceived putin by not passing the test for covid-19 properly, hackers hacked the database of their central medical administration of the republic of belarus even once earlier in soviet times, there was a fourth administration there where they treated all party bons, party figures, their relatives there, close loved ones, and so on. well, this is the administration in the republic of belarus where they treat lukashenka, his son, probably, and all their guards, government officials, deputies, and so on. and they are from the hacker hacked the database and looked at what happened with alexander's tests being given to the

on foreign affairs, is problematic for me to understand of the security policy of the center for defense strategies. oleksandr, i congratulate you and thank you for joining. good day, yuriy, oleksandr . please tell me, answering this question, that for me personally, the transformation of europe is perhaps not the whole of europe , because the baltic countries have constantly expressed their support for us, not only in words but also in business, but the transformation of some european countries, which began during the past week to actively give us e-weapons. how can you comment on this? well, you know, i'll start with the fact that there is such a guy on the network, your russophobia insufficient and it seems to me that despite the fact that we are definitely grateful for the help, first of all , to the united states for such a large package of help, definitely about such a historic decision again by the same germans and french . here, but definitely that this is not enough for us to confidently and quickly reduce losses to liberate the ukrainian territory and that is why there is a dilemma here t

conversation oleksandr khara, a diplomat, an expert on foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategiesmr. oleksandr, we congratulate you. good evening, mr. vasyl. we will start with hungary today. although, of course, everything is currently revolving around german tanks and these tricks of diplomacy, military diplomacy, political diplomacy, economic diplomacy , how can we deliver these tanks, how can we negotiate with everyone, but we will talk about hungary, why is it important, because it is an extremum, well, how can you extricate the entire european union? and, in principle, the entire western world, which maybe he doesn't understand something about ukraine, here we panas yart heard in this review from yuri the physicist and he said that it is not because of the oppression of the hungarians in ukraine, well, you know why, maybe he found them, maybe problems in ukraine with solving certain issues of the european union, but the mayor of budapest, the mayor of budapest, whose name is herg, is short , he visited bucha. to see the difference between the victim and the aggressor, and if

rammstein oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign security policy at the center for defense strategies, we talked about the moods in europe and european societies, how these moods can affect aid to ukraine, thank you very much. in ukraine and the world, be sure to subscribe to radio svoboda pages on social networks instagram telegram facebook twitter viber and also to two youtube channels radio svoboda and radio svoboda ukraine svoboda life will return in air tomorrow cinema television sports music education free people have a choice choose what you want on megogo i am iryna koval mother wife host of the espresso tv channel and i am also a volunteer our military at the front need a lot of things every day and that is why part of my life today - this is helping the armed forces of ukraine and i am very grateful to my colleagues for supporting me. this war found me at home in irpen. the alarming suitcase was packed, but that did not reduce the excitement. explosions are burning every minute . the gostomel airfield is on fire. russian fighter jets. in my window is a cold basement, then an

he's also the chairman of the center for defense strategies, a security think tank based in ukraine.ive from an undisclosed location. good to have you back with us. >> thank you. >> how would you characterize the security situation across ukraine right now? >> certainly russians are preparing a new mobilization most likely because the current situation is not helping them. they are struggling with advancing in the east. they cannot essentially reach their operational objectives, and most likely we will have some kind of new offensive with the mobilized personnel, which they gathered last year, currently undergoing training. most likely we will see some intensification probably in february or early march. >> sir, i want to ask you about the additional lethal support to the ukrainian army that's been announced by the u.s., germany, and france. we're seeing a real shift in their policy. weapons that ukraine previously asked for and material that ukraine asked for repeatedly will now finally be sent. why is this happening now? is there an expectation that a major russian offensive could

vladimir putin, started against ukraine, our the first expert, oleksandr, analyst of the defense strategy center for foreign and security policy, diplomat, advisor to the minister of defense of ukraine. greetings, mr. oleksandr. good evening, panel. well, let's try to talk first of all. what do you think is happening around soledar ? a small town, how should ukrainians evaluate these events, please, you know , there is a map on the internet that shows the decrease in the appetites of the fuhrer-russian world starting from the absorption of almost all of ukraine along the dnieper, and then with access to the borders, then less and less, and now, in fact, solidar and bakhmut are two cities that are trying to seize, of course, they need to show at least some victory, because in principle they were only showing their heels well, in fact , starting from the end of summer, there are definitely other reasons and internal spider fights, and now we see how the military, or rather, criminals in uniform with criminals, who are real criminals , are fighting among themselves. i would like to show that he is actu

vladimir putin started against ukraine our first expert oleksandr hara analyst of the center of defense strategies foreign and security policy diplomat advisor to the minister of defense of ukraine. greetings, mr. oleksandr. good evening . to the russians, i would say these are the persistent efforts to take a small town. how should ukrainians appreciate these events? please, you know , there is a map on the internet that shows the decrease in the appetites of the fuhrer-russian world, starting with the absorption, well, practically all of ukraine along the dnieper, and then with the exit to the borders, then less and less, and now, well, in fact, solidar and bakhmut are two cities that are trying to capture, of course, they need to show at least some kind of victory, because in principle, they were only showing their heels, well, in fact starting from the end of the summer, there are definitely other reasons and there will be internal fights, and now we can see how the military, or rather, criminals in uniforms with criminals, who are real criminals , are fighting among themselves. that actually he i

attack on kyiv, which is also predicted by general melnyk and, on the other hand, your center of defense strategies for several days, he has been writing about the fact that the enemy is accumulating forces in the south along this stretch from kharkiv to seversk. how can you explain these changes in the north of our country? evaluating the information available to the analytical circle, it can be said that the enemy for some reason believes that the defense forces of ukraine are trying to prepare an offensive in the kupyansk region, force the river table and advance in the northern direction, liberating the northern luhansk region, that is, the enemy in this direction is preparing for the next defensive operations, on the other hand, the general has wider access to intelligence data, and perhaps his statement contains some other meaning that is not yet available to civilians, so today i do not see there is no possibility that the enemy is going to carry out an offensive in the north, especially in the kharkiv direction, it is clear, and then i would like to ask you about the situation around bakhmut ,

thank you, oleksandr khara expert on foreign and security policy defense strategy centers thank you for the interesting analysis and we already have a cyborg pompa head of the hungarian community of kyiv and kyiv region congratulations mr. tiber, you can hear us yes, congratulations glory to ukraine well , look, we talked with oleksandr and they mentioned viktor orbán, the prime minister of hungary, who is the only one of the leaders of the european union and nato well, i don't know the european ones , at least the members of nato, he congratulated uh i apologize to vladimir putin happy new year and volodymyr putin congratulated him as the head of the government of hungary on the new year and wished you all the best as a ukrainian of hungarian hungarian origin. this fact saddened me. what is your attitude to such friendly and warm relations between vladimir putin and viktor orbán at the current historical moment? i declare on behalf of the hungarian community that what mr. orbán is doing, you are what his government is doing, mr. siarda. it is a shame and i am ashamed that hungary has s

thank you very much for your comments thank you for joining veto oleksandr hara diplomat expert on foreign and security policy of the center defense strategies, well, it's really like a phrase from that famous movie about a ukrainian female sniper who killed a bunch of nazis in the second world war, and there's a phrase there that war is also a life like this, of course, you don't want to live in such a life, but when certain representatives of the government think about elections and return from the war, when certain leaders of public opinion also return from the war, which is far from over, then questions arise why why did he flee somewhere so quickly, we are all in the war, someone on the eve, someone in the rear, someone outside of ukraine is helping someone works, someone survives in this war, everyone is different but we are all here and it is not over and there will be no great expectations, there will be no disappointments, the war continues and we continue to work, each in his own city and of course works in his own place oleksandr marchenko informs us about the situation in the world of money, money during the war, oleksandr, pleas

, it was viktor kyvalyuk expert of the center of defense strategies and reserve colonel well, we will see each other at the end of this extremely difficult year fornd for each of us. there was very fierce fighting in the city since that time , nothing was known about the fate of this little boy. but fortunately, a long search yielded results and the child was found, it was possible to get in touch with his relatives, now the boy and his parents at the same time survived dimi at the age of seven. unfortunately , a real horror happened, because once again it is not worth reminding what hell happened in mariupol in the spring, how civilians, in particular, small children , were forced to survive and save themselves in this situation. not about them without a trace, they may need psychological help and such cases in ukraine now due to the war, unfortunately, are very many. therefore, at the international children's fund, unicef, parents of children who received psychological trauma due to war is advised as follows: do not avoid talking to the child about his experiences, tell the child that you will definitely take care of his safety with younger chi

russia and how did the strategy of shopping centers for 2022 change about this in a special report in second half hour? in germany, on the basis of rammstein, a meeting of nato defense ministers on military assistance to ukraine will begin in the next few hours , it is expected that representatives of about 50 states will take part in it . she reported that during this meeting the states of the north atlantic alliance are going to announce plans to supply ukraine with heavy weapons. and the intention to transfer the car to kiev with its armor has already been announced in great britain and france. less than half an hour ago, they hit the kirovsky and kuibyshevsky districts of donetsk. before that, more than 20 shells were fired at gorlovka, its suburb, the village of golmovsky, according to the mayor’s office, one civilian was wounded, the joint control center recorded 35 ukrainian shelling will burn in the capital of the dpr makeevka and hay and volnovakha, where two people died, more than a dozen buildings were damaged, including residential buildings. the united states unleashed a total hybrid war against russia, the ambassador of our country to the united states

center for security, strategy and technology. we are honored and really just privileged, congressman, to have honorable adam smith of the state washington here to join us today to discuss defense policy. let me just give a brief word of introduction, we'll hear from the congressman, then we'll have a little conversation up here and look forward to you joining us with your questions in the 20 minutes or so in the next hour. i think many of you know congressman smith was hair of the house armed services committee -- chair -- spanning two with national defense centrals and a whole heck of a lot going on around the world. he's also now a member of congress for 26 years running prosecute great state of washington -- from the great state of washington, 9th district. he was the youngest state senator in the country before joining congress. before that he really lived and demonstrated the values that he tries to represent in congress, i know, every day. if you study his writings and read his bio and learn about the pride in his family from the working class roots, how he worked for ups, went to law school and did a lot of important work in the state of washington really holding two jo