why doesn't you talk about the things he has done with race to the top, et cetera, et cetera, and remind mothers, soccer moms, and soccer dads exactly what he has done and what he will

, et cetera. but i always said, i wasn't so concerned about the size of the stimulus package as i was the scatter shot sort of reductionism idea that any dollar spent is a dollar that helps the economy. that's just not true. so where do you put that money? >> first of all, in times like this, it really is true. not that i advocate spending to just anything. but what got us out of the great depression? it was spending on war. that was destructive spending. we had to do it. but that shows that even spending that doesn't do anything for the productive side of the economy can help you get out of a depression. but, you know, this is much easier now. three years ago, the question was, what are the projects? what do we spend on? we have had three years of savage cutbacks at the state and local level. just hire back those hundreds of thousands of school teachers. hire back the police officers. fix the potholes that have been accumulating certainly in the roads around me because we have been deferring main

if you're in l.a., new york, miami, et cetera, globalization integration is okay. not so much in western pennsylvania. and so i do think the nature of the election campaign forces the f focus on the down sides of global integration whereas there's quite a lot going on that drives the good sides of investment and shared growth. >> a question in the middle on that side. yep? >> thank you. my question is about the climate change, the arab swing. [ laughter ] what do you expect from barack obama or mitt romney to do in handling the changes, ongoing changes in egypt and middle east in particular and whether it's going to be just relying on security alliances or people or useful partnerships? thank you. >> well, one thing i think will come up quickly, it may come up before the election, is whether there are differences between the candidates on issues like syria. so far what you've seen in syria is the obama administration very careful about talking about the potential for american military engagement and eat been criticized for that by some -- some parts of the republic

we're going do, and this is what we're going to do on technology, on mitigation, on adaptation, et cetera, on financing. and it's not a particularly aesthetically pleasing way of moving forward. it's uncertain whether or not it's going to be good enough. it places a huge degree of faith in technology on climate change, but it may be the best that can be done right now, particularly at a time when, you know, a little overstated but in bremmer's new book "we live in a g-0 world with no clear leader and no clear aspirant ready to step up to the plate." i think that may be the world that we live in. >> the final thought on -- >> well, i think the obvious point, which i guess underlies -- underlies the question is, it's much harder to get global deals when people are thinking of the world as a zero-sum place than it is when there's economic expansion, there's energy behind trade, there's energy behind -- there's a sense of possibility, and this is just right now at least for some of the key -- whether it's some of the key trading nations or some of the key emitters, that has to be an important

, et cetera, et cetera. but it may not have ever amounted to very much. the major thing that would have struck you and me, if we got in a time machine and went back, was the fact that up away from the rivers we're going to be seeing mature disi had -- disiduous forest. with much, much less underbrush in it, because of that. and that is why john smith was able to write, you can ride a horse any way between the trees. by the way, i disagree with father andrew white in maryland. he says you can drive a coach in four. that's overdoing it. [ laughter ] >> so the major difference in the forests back then would have been the way the ground looked. rather than how many open spaces. but yes, it would still look very heavily forested to you and me, in any case, compared to what we're used to now. >> what can you tell us about the terrible scourge of coastal indians in both north and south america on the east coast occurred from the onslaught of european diseases to which the indians had no resistance? >> i get this qu

et cetera. you buying that president obama is that kind of progressive? >> last week, the sec decided that there was no wrongdoing to go after lehman brothers, so i look at actions. i don't really listen to speeches anymore. >> they are not going after lehman brothers or it appears any of the top executives at wall street, so not really a progressive? >> i don't know about the framing, but lehman brothers -- there was a bankruptcy examiner report showing systematic fraud at the company run by top executives. i mean -- i don't know -- what is there to say, obama works for wall street. >> that's a pretty strong statement. but in an ironic way you are agreeing with the wall street attack ad against obama who they say he is is working for wall street. but then their issue is he is not working for them enough. >> yeah, that's the point well-taken. but if you are somebody who is the nominee of your party in this case let's take obama, he has to go to wall street because he has to go to the money. and

at the pentagon, white house, et cetera. it was striking to me when one of the women said, look. she was being asked on congress by a senator, what are we going to do? you can't have the taliban at these talks. >> she said, look, these are our family. if my arm is hurting me, if my arm is wounded, if my arm is diseased, i don't cut off my arm. put them at the table and in three days there will be a difference. that's something that we have a hard time understanding and imagining. >> thank you. i'm from bangladesh attending this program. my question if i find it a little bit awkward, the term i think the freedom fighter i don't know last time when i heard it. the fist time i think i heard it i knew you used this term for the first term today after a long many years. growing up in the ' 0s in school time this is the term all around. so all of a sudden i came to see that term. i would like to see why the evolution of this term freedom fighter, how it's transformed and what made it convert into revolutionary or mercenaries and w

back in the day we had many things going for us, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.ars ago that the song this many years later was going to be around the world at the level that it's going around the world, that's the part that shocks us. i think every year we sit back and go what is this year going to bring and it blows our mind. intlsz our -- >> our time is run aring short. i've -- our time is running short. i've had this video running. i don't think i've watched this in a while. well done, fellows. >> thank you. it changed the face of music videos at the top. thank you. >> out of site. great having you here. much audiocassette -- much success. >> we're >> we're taking a,,,,,,,, some constipation medications can take control of you. break free. with miralax. it's clinically proven to relieve constipation and soften stool with no harsh side effects. just gentle predictable relief. miralax. like congestion, runny nose, itchy nose and sneezing can hit you year-round, indoors or out. prescription nasonex is clinically proven to help relieve nasal allergy symptoms any t

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, et cetera. nuclear weapon states in pakistan and israel within striking distance. what would we be advising? because that is the relevant question when it comes to nato's response to nonproliferation. because as with our relationship with russia, deterrence is not in our capabilities. it is what in the minds of the russians or as it was, the soviets. and if we can influence what is in the mind of the iranians, that is the real goal when it comes to nonproliferation. if we surround them with more hardware, that will only encourage them to seek sol lace in other forms of hardware that we don't already have. if we try to engage them in conversation that could have them seeing that it's in their interest to engage in nonproliferation, then we have a hope. so my question really is do you see the linkage between the classic linkage between disarment and nonproliferation, and if analysts do? if there is such a rin link, is there a link between nato's nonproliferation policy and its decisions over the n

, et cetera, is-- you know, it's a shame what's happened to the network news. we'll leave the easy question for last. you've worked in journalism for more than 40 years. you had the joy of actually working in a place where the presses rolled and your work comes out on still probably wet sheets of paper. will there be newspapers 50 years down the road? yeah, i see newspapers. i see that people are going to still want to carry around something the same way they're going to carry around books. they're not going to read electronic books. there's something about-- you know, we like tactile things. will they be different? yes, they'll be very different. one, because advertising is going to move away from newspapers i think. it's not a very logical advertising medium anymore in a lot of respects. they'll change; they'll evolve. yeah, we'll still have newspapers. it's been great to have you here. thanks, good to be here. our guest has been journalist and author carl bernstein. thank you for joining us today on speaking freely. captioning provided by the first amendment

, et cetera. so i think sort of broadly there are these three constituencies that have various objections for different reasons to granting russian pntr status. anybody want to jump in on that one? >> i certainly not one who will be defining the arguments against russian -- i understand and i have heard all of this. >> all too often. >> when i listen to that kind of argument, i ask myself what is it? are we still in the cold war? are we in a relationship with the united states is supposed to teach the younger brother how to lead? that kind of logic can lead to is denial of gradiation, so be it, be it. we will lead further. we'll go on and develop our partnership with the europeans and the biggest economic partner, much greater than the united states, and we'll develop relations with our immediate neighbors, but it will not choice of american people. if they do not want to work with us, it is their choice. if they want to work with us, it first needs to be based on mutual respect and the maginski l

, et cetera. and eventually it was sold in new york city through my agent to yale university. a picture speaks a thousand words. a moving picture speaks a million words. it had happened nowhere else. you might have had an element of someone similar to doing a reverend jones in harlem, new york, but not in the southwestern region of the country. everyday life. special events, of communities, parades and commencements and the home makers group canning things. it's a slice of life that he, if he had not had the wisdom to capture via film would have been lost forever. i've never seen any film before in my life, blacks that own oil wells here in oklahoma. covered several families. and i'm not talking about dozen, two, three dozen barrels a day. talking two to three thousand barrels the families were making. these people got wealthy, not rich, wealthy. those were members of his congregation. again, oklahoma is such a unique situation when it comes to the black experience. and reverend jones again, we we

, et cetera, et cetera -- has been heir-apparent longer than anyone in british history.etime of ribbon cutting and ground breaking and courteous glad handing that must wear thin even for someone who was born to do this. in 2005, posing on the ski slopes with his sons. prince charles was overheard expressing contempt for the royal press corps. >> bloody people. i can't bear that man. he's so rude. he really is. >> reporter: can you blame him? these days he doesn't even get to be the handsome prince. that job is now played by his sons. today at bbc scotland, the duchess of cornwall gave it a shot. and his husband, the prince, showed real flair. >> aha! it'll be snow over higher grounds of the highlands and aberdeenshire. the potential for a few flurries over balmoral. who the hell wrote this script! >> reporter: a royal, good sport. a man who would be king, content to wait. and talk about the weather. >> thank god it's not a bank holiday. david wright, abc news, los angeles. >> and so, onto "dancing with the stars." thank you for watching. we're always here at abcnews.com.

obama will say that he is now tested as national security commander, et cetera. so the rhetoric will be there and each side will try to frame the other for not having a good grasp or not having the manage world. we don't know what romney thinks about foreign policy. he has advisers from every part of the spectrum. when i read the couple of speeches he has given on foreign policy, you strip away the rhetoric and look what he says he would do, and i find it indistinguishable from the obama administration. >> i want to ask you to pick up what is in your paper which is, the discussion of how -- excuse me, the discussion of these issues on the campaign trail actually affects a lot of the deeper things that are going on, the negotiations, the conversations with foreign nations and how it -- it affects those relationships. >> sure. thank you, isaac. i will pick up, i think from what -- what bruce has said and my co-author, john michael arnold and i are in the category of respondents that, where is ben -- that ben mentioned at the outset which is we couldn't find much to

also the navigational techniques that they developed, the astrolabe and the compass and the log, et cetera, and that the portuguese were the first europeans to really venture out onto the atlantic but they ventured south. they didn't venture west. keep in mind, as someone mentioned in the last class, about the world being flat. europeans did not believe that. 13th and 14th century europeans knew the world was round. this map which is not meant for navigation shows you this is a 13th century european map of the world and you might not be able to make out the continents and the countries certainly but you can see indeed they saw the world as round. the question was not how the shape of the earth, the question is whether or not you could actually make it around the earth, that they knew theoretically if you sailed west you would come to the east and how far that would be and what dangers they would encounter, none of that was known to them. while the portuguese were working their way down the southern coast towards the tip of africa there were another group of people pushing off in a differen

, et cetera. it may not have amounted to much. the major thing that would have struck you and me if we got in a time machine, up away from the rivers, we are seeing mature ses sid dueous forests. john smith wrote, you can write a horse between the trees. father andrew white says you can drive a coach in four. that's overdoing it. so the major difference in the forest back then would have been the way the ground looked rather than how many open spaces. yes, it would still look very heavily forested to you and me compared to what we are used to now. >> what can you tell us about the terrible scourge of north and south american indians on the east coast that occurred from the onslaught of european diseases to which the indians had no resistance? >> i get this question every time. it is several doctoral dissertations. i am going to answer only for virginia. we have only one record, one in 1617, of the indians here being hit by any kind of epidemic. it appears to have been bloody flux, not small pox. i

we associate that with you know, bureaucracy, today you got to pay for what you get, et cetera, et cetera. this really does come from the late 19th century. and workers when they started leaving those factories they would go to saloons, drink during lunch time, go back to work, and the temperance forces that ed was talking about, prohibition forces, pre-prohibition, said it's a shame that those workers are getting so inebriated. they are drinking on an empty stomach. the saloons at a minimum should provide them a lunch. the breweries said hey, no problem. and the breweries started shipping in food, usually sausages, cheese. >> mmm, sausages. >> are you getting hungry, ed? i notice they didn't provide food. and so, the tradition of providing a free lunch in the back room really became synonymous with saloons and it was so powerful not only would guys go have a schooner of beer and go back to the back room and have lunch but lots of respectable women would actually go, just to the back room only have lunch and they literally did have a free lunch. but here is the twist. >> sounds like there

i've done it with take our daughters, i've written books about girls and et cetera. but what i think is important for us to think about here is the more powerful women get and we have gotten more powerful, even though we're not in the seats of power, the ms. push back there has been and the more the clothes look like little girls that women wear, the more little girls are told about princess -- i have 11 grandchildren and the little girls wear princess dresses and they are really tough little girls but they want a princess dress. we put them on the swings and have them get their dresses torn. but they wear these -- there is a push-back toward girls being girls. and so that's because there's a fear of, i think, what's going on. so, we have to know that and help get it through. >> and there seems to be an opportunity in the mothering of b boys that, if you see the success of fathers mentoring their daughters, mothers having a different approach on their sons. and, i certainly, not being a mother, couldn't say what that is, but that would be something extraordinary to t

those that are told they have mls, chronic fatigue syndrome, et cetera. so this goes to the dual eligibles, the medicaid, the medicare, one of the fastest rates of increase in granting a social security disability, and with it medicaid coverage, is, in fact, lyme disease individuals who, according to the infectious disease people don't have lyme disease. but relative to the chronic conditions, do. so it's just to underline a number of the comments both on the treatment issues. on the analysis and diagnosis issues, and to the technology issue of testing, the fact that lyme testing, as the article in health affairs pointed out, and elsewhere has been pointed out, has been extraordinarily ineffective, very high rate of false negatives test. and there's a tremendous need for advance in that area. but even with a lousy test it is suddenly producing new costs that will push the cost growth curve as we move in this area. so the employer's side, joe, i agree with you. there has not been a tremendous movement. if one looks at the magnitude of that system towards a

, et cetera. we haven't seen that yet. the question s when does it start? does it start after tonight after he sits down with the king of birtherrism. donald trump was quoted as saying, i don't speak with romney about his birth certificate. i would like to hear romney say he doesn't speak to trump about obama's birth certificate. not a spokesperson, i want to hear it from the governor himself. if he wants to be president, he needs to pony up and say he doesn't believe it himself over and over and over again, then we won't have anything to talk about, will we? >> susan, as a republican strategist, is this an important moment with romney kind of going over the top officially tonight? should it mean that we expect anything different as we see the campaign move forward in the days ahead? i noticed to the surprise of a lot of people romney did put down an education agenda the other day. i have a lot of problems with it, but he's moving on issues earlier than i think some people might have suspected, no

disobedience, talking about it, at least, since writing a book with my wife on india and gandhi, et cetera. and he said now in ten minutes, pick -- tick off the things that i ought to do if i'm president to clean up the damn civil rights mess. so i had my moment. i had my ten minutes. >> what did you say? >> well, among other things, i said with one stroke of a pen, cuisine the executive order eliminating discrimination in federally assisted housing that the civil rights commission had recommended and was sitting on eisenhower's desk for six months or something like that. with one stroke of a pen. he said i like that. you know, we talked about the problem of the southern legislators filibustering any legislation, so he jumped at the idea of executive action. and i had five or six other points. a few days later, he called me in and said sergeant shriver has convinced us that we should have a civil rights section of the campaign, not just a minority votes section but a civil rights section that would have black and white leaders and hispanic leaders and walter luther and all the black leader

the problem is the public schools, et cetera.s actually a study done of math and signs according to the organization for economic development, and we didn't do so well, but another country did. let me show you, china and korea number 1 and two finland is number 2. usa is number 24. normally we say we're number 1! saying we're number 24! is not that great. and then math, one, china two finland again, three korea. number 32 is usa. come on science. we'll kick ass in science. no. we are ranked number 30. once again 30 is not a great chant. a lot of people might not be surprised to see china and korea there, but the one country that kept popping up that might surprise people is finland. they don't allow any private schools. all of the kids rich or poor or in the middle have to go to public schools. interesting. here is a report from the bbc on the finish system. >> to the 11 year olds french is not their second but their third language, and when they are 13 they must know four. their effortless ease is achieving education, students h

cetera.et's show you a mock up. they say his spiritual mentor for decades, jeremiah wright the inspiration for obama's book, campaign and his life. how many times do we see this. but what is interesting is how stupid they are. because joke ricketts quote is at the top saying if only america would see this ad about reverend wright. but we did. this group called the national republican trust pac ran thatted a to the tune of $7 million in 2008. here is theed a they ran back then. >> for 20 years, barack obama followed a preacher of hate and said nothing as wright raged against our country. >> he keeps his power base in wright's church. he was his mentor advisor, and close friend. obama never complained until he ran for president. barack obama too radical too risky. >> yeah they tried that they ran $7 million worth of that ad. it didn't work you knuckle heads. fox news gave them all of the free advertising in the world. they ran it over and over and over again. but the assumption with joe rickett

, et cetera, et cetera. >> and nato has that alignment. >> and nato has that alignment. the president is expected at the podium in chicago in just about 20 minutes. we'll bring that to you, obviously, live when he comes out. we're also away from foreign policy watching the financial markets. nasdaq, of course, the home of the facebook frenzy on friday, well, that big old ipo looking like quite the flop in its first full trading day. business insiders henry joins the mega panel on what facebook is really worth and the embarrassment of its breaking well below its offering price in its first full day of trading, after this. [ male announcer ] this one goes out to all the allergy muddlers. you know who you are. you can part a crowd, without saying a word. you have yet to master the quiet sneeze. you stash tissues like a squirrel stashes nuts. well, muddlers, muddle no more. try zyrtec®. it gives you powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin® because zyrtec® starts working at hour 1 on the first day you take it. claritin® doesn't start working until hour

, et cetera. what happened in that case under the patent of justice scalia was the compelling state interest least restrictive means standard was thrown out. and the standard was reduced for the protection of free exercise. if you had a general law of neutral advocablity that wasn't to discriminate against religious freedom. if the government had a rational basis, that would be sufficient. so what was the reaction? so the reaction was that a broad coalition stretching from the far left to the far right gathered together, worked with bipartisan champions in congress, in the senate. ted kennedy and oren hatch to move a piece of legislation called the religious freedom restoration act which passed in 1993 overwhelm league and the congress sought to legislatively reinstate the compelling interest least restrictive means standard. a few years later, the supreme court gets to say thank you congress. we get the last word. in 1997, it strikes down the religious freedom restoration act, at least so far as

audio, et cetera. going through that again which is something that's been ongoing throughout this year and the triage appears to be complete. that is something that people will continue to go through and you're getting more bits and pieces of that coming out. which gets us to this weekend's press. i think what you're going to be hearing a lot and you'll be hearing more is a lot of politicking. noert party has a mo knopp ply on that. which means you're going to hear from both sides. we're going to hear about how much more needs to do. all of that needs to be take within a grain of salt. i'm much more interested in what the career people have to say than what the set stair of defense says one day and then restrakts the next day in terms of where we are. the much larger story is the arab spring, which some call the islamist winter. it's a huge shot to al qaeda's ideology. the simple fact that al qaeda through years and years of bloody violence maintaining that the only way to take down regimes like the mu

he, mitt romney, understands it, he's from it, he's from michigan, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. a big part of his narrative is about his family's background in business and a big part of that business was automobiles. so he can't afford to be out of the discussion altogether. i think that's probably why he tried this ploy. but, obviously, if they felt it was a winner, they would have done it in michigan today. >> i think you're right. the fact is, do you think that voters are going to see through this? i mean, are they going to actually buy this? >> well, i think they're going to have to study the details. probably not. if mitt romney is going to make this point, he's got to follow up on it. he's got to show why private capital was, in fact, going to come in and save auto industry. they don't offer the -- the romney campaign doesn't really offer any evidence of that. romney used the passive terminology "help was given." well, yes, help was given -- by the federal government. it wasn't given by the private sector. it was given by the federal government. if he's going to pursue it

protests in -- i think it was in ohio, and some of them went south to do sit-ins and demonstrations, et cetera, some of them were sent to washington because they were white, and they thought that they could get the attention of the white administration with a couple of exceptions here to protect those young people who were demonstrating for equal rights in the south. now, all of this was happening as i applied to the university of georgia. i don't think it was necessarily the school desegregation stuff at that point. when i entered in '61, it was the first successful desegregation of higher education at that point in the south. and robert kennedy came to my college, university of georgia, i desegregated in january of '61, as the desegregation order was given by a white republican judge, william boodle, and kennedy came in may of '61 to speak at the law day ceremony. and by this time, there had been a consciousness -- the consciousness of the administration had been raised to a certain extent. so the state representatives, none of the top officials of georgia would attend, because they were afr

pnls pretty closely, my sense is that without knowing those costs, you know, for human resources, et cetera. that's a big component. >> let me ask you this. if there's no handle -- if there's no realization of the cost, as you said, does any comparison even stand up, then if the numbers are not the same? >> in my mind, no. >> okay. women i yield back and, again, thank you all for your service to the country and as you well know, the most important thing question do is to make sure that every veteran is served properly. so thanks again for what you do. >> i thank the gentleman for yielding back and go to our colleague from michigan. >> thank you, gentlemen, for coming and testifying today. i just have a couple questions. mr. orace, are the members, are the people that work at the va, are they moneys of your association too jie mean do they have the same access to the same prosthetics as the people on the outside? >> yes, she should. >> because they should. >> because one of the questions i have, i've bun amputations and have to deal with orth 3i689s and have people take care of it of my pati

, et cetera. we are the country that has a lot of satellites. satellites are increasingly vulnerable and harder to protect from debris and hostile action. the asap test including by china in 2007 which created a massive debris field and endangered over 400 satellites. u.s. satellites are now at risk mostly from space debris but also from a growing competition with china and the absence of rules of the road. what we're talking about is rules of the road. right now anybody can put anything up there if they can get it into space. so a code of conduct, we are not saying adopt the e.u. code of conduct. we are saying we need to negotiate some rules of the road in space otherwise our satellites are going to be the ones that are hurt. and worse, china wants to have its own code of conduct and it's talking to brazil and india. so either we get together and we discuss this with our european allies and others and bring brazil and india in with us or there might be a completely different road. we might be wan

et cetera.t a time when we are spending $350 billion a year importing oil, transforming our energy system to energy efficiency and sustainable energy becoming energy independent can also create a huge number of jobs. last point i would make obama doesn't agree with me the republicans, don't agree with me i think we need fundamental changes in our trade policy. unfettered free trade has not worked for our workers. start investing in this country, not china. >> i agree with you. free trade is a matter of definition, and what is free from our perspective has not been free for many of our trading partners where there is currency manipulations, and other barers they employ. i want to switch gears for a moment and look at the european elections from a slightly different perspective. you have been a clarion voice for reforming our electorate process. do the europeans have any lessons that we can take from them, in terms of campaign finance or timing? some folks do it better what can we learn if anythin

to realize that what many thought was weakness or unreadiness -- >> gradualism. >> gradualism, et cetera. al sharpton interview on chris matthews said your book has convinced me that i was wrong that he was just a gradualist and didn't have a commitment to civil rights. i would recommend his book because just looking at it cleanly now from the democratic platform to the call to mrs. king to the executive actions that were taken to the two weeks after the worst violence of the freedom riders, the order to the interstate commerce commission was to design regulations that would end segregation in interstate housing, which is a happy end to that story going through the submission of the civil rights bill. >> so not gradualism for you. pretty good. let's let it sit there for just a second. i'm going to go over to roger. >> you're the moderator. >> i'm going over to roger for a second to talk about, if you could pull together the middle of this thread. so kenneth has talked to us about what is happening. there is an ongoing -- i would say persistent thought that kennedy came late to civil righ

, et cetera. when we want to do it on our time schedule. in other words, we should drive, we, the free world, should drive the whole thing, not bin laden or some other terrorist corps activity. i've already said too much here and the like. but i do that i agree, we ought to come up with a different kind of strategy for the long haul, look ahead, and then work backwards, like you would in a campaign plan. you work backwards by phases, work backwards in terms of what money you can afford to put to this strategy and all of that kind of thing. we've got to -- somehow we've got to harmonize not just academic and research thought and all of that and the military thought i don't know how you pull together that crowd across the river, i'll leave that up to you academic types. we'd need to pull together. this is above politics and all of that kind of thing and do what's best for the free world as we know it today. thanks. >> i would have let you go first. >> no, no. >> i think he did. those that don't know