chaffetz, nicolls. i will come to you first, chaffetz. >> his words speak for themselves.a question and said yes it's something we're looking at everybody on the left said that's not true. the knee jerk reaction out there. there have been a lot of us who have said we have to get to the origins of this. we cannot rely on the world health organization to do this because of their proximity and closeness with china. this has always been an avenue to pursue and it is amazing how liberals just dismissed it because it was donald trump and his administration. >> harris: yeah, nicolls, i am curious as to how cuomo promised to get to the bottom of it but then cnn didn't. >> i can't speak for chris cuomo or cnn but i do think we can comment on the first part of what he said. that is that trump knew the virus was deadly stuff and that's a quote but lied to the american people and admitted it in an interview to bob woodward. that is what he is referring to. jason is right is right about a lot of what he said. people also didn't trust donald trump because he had been so anti-science thr

jason chaffetz, thank you so much. this story, cnn anchor cuomo joining us -- chris cuomo advised his politician brother andrew cuomo, and andrew cuomo's top aides, on how to push back against women accusing the governor of sexual assault and harassment. push back against them in the media. but cnn not disciplining chris cuomo, proving what matters is not the truth, it's not what these women are alleging, it is about cnn protecting the cuomo family, and it's about power. the story next. >> boy, i saw a lot of segments lasteg year and over the trump years fromm chris cuomo about believing all women and about sexual harassment. if you are a woman, how do you possibly go op this person's show again when chris cuomo advised his brother to be defiant, not to resign and, obviously, therefore, that insults all the women that have come forward. ♪♪ not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family ne

liz: let's welcome fox news contributor jason chaffetz. great to have you on again, let's deal with this another biden official showing major ties to green energy that they're pushing the powerfuls federal energy regulatory commission, these guys reject u.s. pipelines, he was a top lobbyist for a wind energy company out of spain, what do you say to the story. >> added tot the list and it is one of the numerous things where there are severe ties very concerning ties to people ever personalize interest in the outcome of what they will ultimately be regulating. if it's not uncovered by fox business or fox news, it generally does not get out there in the mainstream media continues to ignore the added to the list of another person who seems to be dealing with self-interest. liz: is unclear beyond any investments of this, the president said were going to create good union paint jobs and green energy but much of when manufacturing takes place in countries like europe, continents like europe meaning spain or denmark. let's get to what you're disco

elizabeth: look who is back with us, fox news contributor jason chaffetz.he jason the president today doing the hard sell on his green new infrastructure deal. listen to this, jason. reaction to the sound bite, the president falsely claimed his family worked in coal mines. president biden already admitted in 2004 that wasn't true. watch this. >> my dad used to say, joe, i swear to god, went to scranton, when coal died, my dad was a salesperson, he wasn't a coal miner, my great grandpop was. >> look everybody tells you don't take any chances. the truth of the matter i got myself in trouble. i would be president if not for the fact that i said i had an uncle in the coal mines. turned out i didn't have anybody in the coal mines. elizabeth: nobody in his family worked in coal mines. what do you think of this hard sell? >> there have been a lot of questions about the cognitive ability of president. there he is again claiming a relative who was in a coal mine in 2004 he said no, that is not true. which one are we to believe? the president is in sales mode but i d

jason chaffetz in terms of the biden agenda. great to have you on again.ome back again soon, okay? >> thanks, liz. elizabeth: sure. still ahead, congressman and former white house doctor ronny jackson, he is going to weigh in on the controversy that covid-19 did potentially leak from a lab. three lab workers from wuhan, china, hospitalized weeks before the outbreak in china. dr. fauci flip-flopping again on this. he is now saying he is not confident the virus emerged naturally in nature. why were dr. fauci and the media so quick to shut this down last year? was it because donald trump said this was a possibility and they hated trump? is that the reason? the story next. >> i think we see a sustained chinese propaganda effort at work but more than that it was just the blindness, if i could put it that way of our media. we're too polarized to see scientific issues for their own sake without putting a political gloss on them. we don't know for sure the origin of the virus. we've got these two possible scenarios but if you look at all the evidence and ask yours

jason chaffetz, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. with us on this story. we have cnn anchor chris cuomo joining his brother in abuses of power. chris cuomo "the washington post" said advised his politician brother andrew cuomo andrew cuomo's top aides and how to push back against women accusing the governor of sexual harassment and assault. pushed back against them in the media. but cnn not disciplining chris cuomo, proving what matters is not the truth. it is not what these women are alleging. it is about cnn protecting the cuomo family and it is about power. the story next. >> boy, i saw a lot of segments last year and over the trump years from chris cuomo about believing all women and about sexual harassment. if you are a woman, how do you possibly go on this person's show again when chris cuomo advised his brother to be defiant, not to resign and obviously therefore that insults all the women that have come forward? ♪ me up) ♪ ♪ buttercup, baby ♪ ♪ just to let me down ♪ ♪ (let me down) ♪ ♪ and mess me around ♪ ♪ and then worst of

elizabeth: jason chaffetz, we heard you loud and clear, come back soon.t's good to see you, let's get you updated on israel and looks like the president did have a heated intense exchange with rashida tlaib the progressive congresswoman not liking the president's policies of israel the president is calling for a cease-fire that is largely been ignored, trey yingst is in southern israel with more. >> today is the ninth day of fighting between israel and hamas as much-needed aid into gaza with the permission of the israelis, only some a doctor after the area was hit with mortars as trucks crossed fire resumed after six hours of quiet one rocket this afternoon slamming into caravan at the regional council killing two people and injuring several others israeli airstrikes targeting gaza as a death toll mounts 214 palestinians have been killed so far and hundreds injured. >> all of our lives we had no idea where we want to go where to run, the hard work in the whole streets in the destruction, and earthquake. >> reports indicate addiction negotiators are trying

jason chaffetz and mara liasson.icago are only talking to black and latino reporters right now. a look at the backlash against lori lightfoot. ♪ ♪ ♪ howie: chicago mayor lightfoot is no longer to talking to white reporters. the mayor released a letter calling out the overwhelming whiteness of chicago media outlets and press corp. and only now talking to black and latino reporters. joining us on this subject clarence page, clarence, wall street journal editorial calls this overracism. what do you think of colory lightfoot picking the fight, i'm not giving interviews to anybody who is not a minority journalist. >> i thought it was oddly timed and seemed to bear all the signs of a stunt at a time we have much more urgent news in chicago like violent crime rate, her relations with the unions, our schools, et cetera. and so it's -- i do want to clarify for folks out there, this was a one-day policy coinciding with second anniversary in office that she decided to do this and, in fact, our own city hall reporter greg pratt

jason chaffetz said it this way. the white house now is in sales mode.on't think it's that good. i think there and purchase mode. they don't know what to take back, they're not sure what they want what they bought in some of what they bought is uneven communication, not just with us, but with the leadership of the country, the governors. you mentioned in new york, we will follow the cdc guidelines for new york state. may 29th, massachusetts, we are going to follow the same thing for him. it's haphazard, it's not based on a unifying idea of science and that keeps us all divided. therein lies the political food that's given by dividing. we are easy to manipulate, but i have another question. how many people do you think are hanging on the word to figure out after we get science, about masks, fully vaccinated, what do you think is hanging on the word of this administration to tell you you don't need a mask? when we been told that now for quite some time. when you watch the president of the united states not taking his own guidelines from the cdc, who do you

i want to move to jason chaffetz former chairman of the house oversight committee. when you are on the hill and you have been there so many times, jason. when you are on the hill everything turns to politics. what is the game and theater being played that the congresswoman is talking about with nancy pelosi potentially? >> i believe the mask mandate on the floor of the house for people vaccinated is purely political theater. remember, nancy pelosi needs to pass -- she wants to pass a $4 trillion some people want it to be a $7 trillion bill. the only way to do that is to say we're still in crisis mode. there is nothing that radiates that imagery of crisis by having to wear masks. if she didn't have the bills she had to pass i don't think it would be there. and the hypocrisy. remember when nancy pelosi needed votes to put her into power, she brought people that were covid positive onto the floor of the house albeit behind plexiglas. the masks don't need to be there any more. >> harris: talk to me about what happens inside the house when something like this is going on

jason chaffetz is back with us and knows the swamp better than most.g hired up to try to squeeze whatever they can through this process, what do you make of it? >> there is a reason why the zip codes around washington dc are homes to the wealthiest americans because when there are trillions of dollars going out look to those lobbyists to make those big money, that big money. in 1974, steve, they pass the budget act but the problem is since they passed that budget act only one time since 1974 has it actually worked. it was supposed to be the president introduces a budget and house and senate passed their own budgets but guess what? they have to go to reconciliation and then the appropriations committee comes in and they are supposed to go through it line by line. every member could do a striking amendment to get rid of something but the most impotent people in washington dc are on the preparations committee because they don't get to participate in the process and a couple of insiders get together and they decide trillions of dollars and those lobbyists

i'm jason chaffetz in tonight for sean and for the hour, we will discuss how biotin is weak, fecklessrming our country. former acting department of homeland security mark byrne of edge will join us at the very latest from the crisis at our southern border, senator madison cawthorn will be here with

stuart: got it, jason chaffetz, thanks for being with us this monday morning.the homebuilders index. it was a fairly high number, 83, still pretty strong i would say. the ceo of the national association of homebuilders joins us now, jerry howard, frequent guest on the program, back again today. first of all, jerry, what is this about the short fall of supplies, breaks in the supply chain? the housing materials, they're not there as much as you want. prices are going up. what's at the bottom of all of this? why these shortages? >> you know, stuart, particularly with lumber, when we were building over two million units a year, lumber prices were about $400 per thousand board feet of lumber. now they're over $1400. it adds over $35,000 to the cost of a house. so we asked ourselves why? we've talked to everybody in the supply chain from the people who grow the trees to loggers that cut them down, to the people that distribute the lumber to us and it is all pointing at the sawmills. clearly the people who run the sawmills are not operating at full capacity. they're

former house oversight chair and fox news contributor jason chaffetz with us now.he critical question. this is what i -- in american politics, over the next 18 months, how much of the democratic biden agenda can be passed? >> they are spending a stunning amount of money. people forget we have a -- we have a 4.5 trillion base budget. 75% is mandatory program spending. then the covid relief packages that have passed plus the four that happened under donald trump and now they come back and say we want 2 plus trillion and cut it back to 1.7 trillion and we've been to this rodeo before when in 2009 they passed a 787 billion supposed infrastructure bill and it was chalk full of waste, fraud and abuse. we got a lot of garbage out of it. to me as a conservative i want to starve the beast. i don't want more government. they'll try to pass as much money as they can. they are doing a stunning job of doing it. >> dana: republicans could agree more on what they define as actual infrastructure, roads, bridges, etc. a lot of other things in this bill. in the new proposal the bide

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i'm jason chaffetz in tonight for sean and for the hour, we will discuss how biotin is weak, fecklessnda is seriously harming our country. former acting department of homeland security mark byrne of edge will join us at the very latest from the crisis at our southern border, senator madison cawthorn will be here with more on the left's covert hypocrisy but first, let's turn our attention to the white house where doing an interview yesterday, president biden told "the new york times" "we are kind of at a place where the rest of the world is beginning to look to china." oh, really? i wonder why. maybe it's because you never took china seriously or held them accountable, definitely not now. remember just two years ago on the campaign trail, joe biden completely dismissed the china threat. watch this. >> china is going to eat our lunch. come on, man. they can't even figure out how to deal with the fact that they have this great division between the china sea in the mountains in the east and the west and can figure out how they're going to do with the corruption that exists within the syst

goodstein, west point grad and army veteran jeremy hunt host of the jason in the house podcast, jason chaffetz a former member of the 1776 commission peter kurtz and off. thank you so much for being with us late on friday night. i'm going to start with you because you were a member of the commission that president biden disbanded through executive order once he took office. what do you think of this latest development? >> i think senator mcconnell's letter is right on point. i think the biden administration is being disingenuous. the critical race theory and 1619 project are ahistorical and in some respects they are really insane. they are very dumb but most importantly they are pernicious. i can't think of a greater internal threat to the united states of america since the civil war and that's not an understatement. i've been on the civil rights commission for more than 20 years, longest-serving member i've never seen anything quite like this. talk to parents across the country, talk to kids across the country they are being told they are being judged on the basis of the color of their skin,

let's bring in the panel, leslie marshall, jason chaffetz, and from israel, human rights attorney brookedstein. welcome to all of you. i want to start with brooke. you're on the ground. what can you tell us? >> thank you for having me. last night was the scariest night of my life. i ran with my children to the bomb shelter. my three children slept in the bomb shelter as we heard sirens outside, as we heard loud explosions on and on again. this is nothing but terrorism. what's even scarier is witnessing this from the inside and seeing u.s. politicians, seeing the mainstream media, christiane amanpour, bella hadid, influencers justify terrorism targeting innocent civilians. >> shannon: jason, you have been a member of congress as a republican. we have democratic members of congress to say there's more to the story and they are speaking out. here is ilhan omar tweeting yesterday. "israeli air strikes killing civilians in gaza is an act of terrorism. palestinians deserve protection. unlike israel missile defense program such as iron dome don't exist to protect palestinian civilians. it's unc

i'm jason chaffetz in tonight for sean.ig government policies are fundamentally transforming our country, and not for the better. as dagen mcdowell put it, biden's recent joint address to congress was a declaration of dependence. not just because of what biden said

i'm jason chaffetz in tonight for sean. the hour, we will discuss how biden's radical big government policies are fundamentally transforming our country, and not for the better. as dagen mcdowell put it, biden's recent joint address to congress was a declaration of dependence. not just because of what biden said during his remarks, but also what he didn't say. despite speaking for over an hour, the president never uttered the words "entrepreneurship," "individualism," "liberty," and he used the word "freedom" only once during a section about china. and this week, in his national day of prayer proclamation, biden did not even use the word god. not once. that is because joe and his radical base value of government dependence all else. dependence on government handouts. government programs, government solutions. according to biden, government is the answer to all of our problems, and now, we are seeing the results. after a disappointing jobs report, the unemployment rate just went up. according to biden, we are right on track.

jason chaffetz said you can't alter a congress member's salary. where are they putting that money? needs to say. let's move to this. congressman biggs you wrote to homeland security mayorkas accusing his department of a clear violation of immigration law as it is releasing people who are here illegally into the interior of the united states without a court date. fox news is exclusively learning that house republican ashley henson will introduce a bill today that will bar taxpayer money from being used for the travel expenses of vice president kamala harris until she visits the southern border and issues a report on how to solve the crisis there. your top line thoughts on all of it. >> it's a very clever bill. i would support that. look, harris, i think what you are seeing here is this move to leave the border open unsecured. what secretary mayorkas admitted he is not following the law. when he testified before the senate last week he said no, we're not giving the notices to appear which are required. they are required to hold people in detention when somebody has claimed asylum or

todd: jason chaffetz says president biden and vp harris are abusing their power and congress needs tostand. listen. >> congress needs to get a backbone and stand up for itself. they'res -- they would just assume to let joe biden and kamala harris roll through things. let's remember, it was barack obama and joe biden that expanded this. their theory was let's throw out all these executive orders and maybe some of them will stick. they'll get tied up in the courts and maybe we'll win some by accident. in the meantime, we'll get our way and we can force the issue. it's fundamentally wrong and they count on the american public not paying attention. todd: president biden is expected to make a speech on the economy later this afternoon. vice president will also be there. jillian: days after his recent visit to the border, homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas will testify to congress over his handling of the border surge. he has touted how the biden administration has emptied border patrol facilities. senator ron johnson says thousands of people are still being apprehended each day

. >> harris: jason chaffetz. you were on the hill when they didn't have this. how does this compare to what america is about to see? >> i started when they did have them and credit john boehner for having the guts to have leadership and get rid of them. earmarks are the sugar that makes the garbage go down and it is fundamentally and totally wrong. we need to cut spending in this country not creative ways to spend things. almost everything on that list that you were scrolling through has no business being funded by the federal government. when i was in congress, one of our republican senators here in utah tried to fund a parking lot in provo. that's not the role of the federal government. it is also not the role and responsibility of the people of florida to fund that parking lot. just like i don't want to put sand on their beaches in florida. if i live in utah. let's figure out a way to cut spending. this is the tool, this is the enticement that leadership uses to get people to vote for bad bills. >> harris: people look at the list and say there are good thing

jason chaffetz and kevin walling, great to see you both.on, start with you and your first impressions of the panic buying going on among americans as they are witnessing the gas pumps run dry. >> they didn't foreshadow and let people know it will be temporary in its nature and let's blame the people who actually made the attack, make them responsible for it. but at the same time, biden administration, you can't lie and mislead the american people. you go ahead and tell those millions of people down in the southeast that hey, there is no problem here. these people are waiting in line for hours. look at those pictures out there. you can't mislead them. i think the biden administration is being misleading if not outright lying to people that this is a problem. >> harris: you know, kevin, having the energy secretary granholm say just a pat on the head and everything will be fine when you know your personal experience feels quite different, why not just acknowledge it? why not have a bigger conversation with the american people about this? >> it

for example, yesterday, former congressman jason chaffetz, who's now a fox news contributor trotted out a brilliant analogy to criticize mandates >> i think one of the principles that people just tend to forget about, which is the proper role of government. the proper role of government is to inform the public, but we believe in the united states of america about self-determination that we get to make those decisions. >> yes >> the government can help provide the information. they have a centers for disease control, but there are lots of disease that's kids can potentially get. i mean, we can all not die driving down the freeway at 55, or 70, or 80 miles an hour if we all drove three miles an hour but you know what? we put the warnings up there we put a speed limit up there. we say we would rather you not do this and there are consequences and some people have the, you know, suffer those consequences, but self-determination is the principle here >> seth: ooh, i hate to be one of those speed limit signs you seem to hate, but slow down, pal. first of all, do you think speed limits are jus

jason chaffetz podcast at fox news podcast.com. you should go check it out. so much for being with us this morning. >> thanks, everyone. thank you. good morning. will: turning now to your headlines. police are searching for the man who ran over a school bus driver in brooklyn. we want to warn you the video you are about to watch may be hard. shows the bus driver walking off the bus to record the suspect in the gray suv when after they got into argument. he hit the gas, rolls over the woman before speeding off. the bus driver is in critical condition. sacramento proposes highest police budget ever. it gives $165 million to the department. nine million more than last year. sacramento joins cities like atlanta, hughes an who funded their police. 18 cities reduced police budgets in the past year. >>> this dutch couple is now living in europe's first 3d printed house. check it out. over 1000 square feet with two bedrooms. it was printed in a factory, only took five days to make. made of 24 concrete elements printed one layer at a time. the printed walls are hollow

before we come out i do want you to see what form former utah congressman jason chaffetz had to say about spending because remember, he was there when there were earmarks and then under john boehner, speaker of the house they went away so he really does have good perspective on before and after, watch. >> earmarks are the sugar that makes the garbage go down and it's fundamentally and totally wrong, we need to be cutting spending in this country, not figuring out creative ways to spend things. >> harris: john james, now i understand why you and others want to get there and clean up the swamp. >> well, it's very easy to see exactly but this isn't legislating, this is campaigning, you had over 200 democratic legislators, over 100 republican legislators, all, it seems, intrinsically motor motivated to get reelected, a lot of the stuff they are spending it on is arguably good or bad depending on what side of the political spectrum you're on, but a lot of these projects are projects that should be handled at the lowest level, the private money level, the municipal level, the state level, i bel

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we see you, jason chaffetz. can you look your daughter in the eyes again?unty's blitz in fraudulent audit moving in lock step in this democratic fashion because it did not happen overnight. as thomas zimmer points out, in the current situation one reason trump's lies can flourish and has a massive effect because they build on long standing anti-democratic tendencies on the right and american conservatives. this is worrying in a study that found one in four republicans feel that the government and media financial worlds in the u.s. are controlled by a satan worshipping federal pile conspiracy. 28% believe there is a storm coming stoob-soon. and most concerningly 28% agree because things are so far off track, true american patriots may have to resort to violence to save our country. robert jones, the auth of the end of white christiandom, and pub lusher of the lucid newsletter and response to the abuse of power and they both join me now. robert, starting with you on the polling, so when i see polling like that i feel wigged out but i am a little skeptical of

. >> bill: jason chaffetz, how are you? good morning and kick us off.d forth? is it clear as mud? >> good morning, well, joe biden has got more stimulus to sell. he is out there trying to sell congress and the american people that we still have this crisis so you have to pass trillions of dollars of more relief packages. i don't think it's the proper role of government and he is sending mixed messages. when he walks from the white house onto the north lawn after announcing that you don't need to wear one outside it was a joke. but if you are going to look to joe biden to make your own determination, i think you are looking in the wrong place. he is selling something right now. >> dana: jason, of course it's often said politics is downstream from culture. everybody is talking about the pandemic and mask wearing and vaccinations and all the rest. dave chappell is responding to the backlash about elon musk being on the "saturday night live" broadcast. listen to this. >> no one can be woke enough. i'm torn because i like a warrior for a good cause but i'm r

let's bring in jason chaffetz.al with their woke employees who are in revolt of the politics of the corporation? >> that them quit. look, if you work for free then you can exercise your free speech, but if you are going to trade your time and talents to work for the company, then you have to work for the company. here's a ceo saying new artwork i want you to work on work and not be engaged in politics because it does divide people and i think that's a reasonable expectation. at the ceo's right to get rid of those people causing problems. stuart: but, that company will be labeled a racist because they refused to listen to the words of the woke generation. you can do this, you can let them quit, but you will get some very bad pr, jason. >> well, i think it is the right policy. these employees don't just-- they can't going take the owners money and compensation to move their own personal political agenda forward i mean, that's not the way things were, folks here these people need to grow up and realize they are not in

jason chaffetz weighed in on president biden's hypocrisy with restrictions from india.n and how both presidents were treated. >> it's a sad situation in india. nobody wants to see them suffer. i'm glad the united states is going to provide aid and as much equipment as we possibly can. i think joe biden is very slow on this. i think they probably should have shut down the travel a while ago. and it just shows the hypocrisy and how fundamentally wrong joe biden and the rest of the democrats were. quite frankly when donald trump was doing the same with china back when this was emerging. it is going to spread but it could have been slowed and the democrats started calling, you know, xenophobia, instead of actually following the science back then and it just highlights, i think, the hypocrisy of the democrats. jedediah: and of the media. pete: yeah. absolutely. and he also -- part of what he said is joe biden is very slow on this. he could have acted a lot quicker on what the movement he made in india. you have to be in front of a virus. that's why i think that's part of why