joining me now is congressman chaka fattah, democrat from pennsylvania, and jared bernstein, former chief economist to vice president biden. thank you both for being here. >> thank you, rev. >> thank you rev. >> congressman, paul ryan says the president, barack obama, is practicing trickle-down economics. isn't that the oldest trick in politics accusing the other side of doing what you're actually guilty of? >> well look these guys have to deal with reality. the president has laid out his budget. every dollar he lays out where we need to invest it. he says we need to move away from mindless austerity to a smart investment that strengthen our country. what we have to do now is get past the rhetoric. they have to put their numbers on the table. he, the president says hey, we need to make permanent my legislation. i created the american opportunities tax credit so that right now millions of families benefit by it but it's temporary. he wants to make it permanent. he wants to invest in great programs that create workforce development, job training. so they have to come with what they -- you h