abracadab abracadabra, presto changeo, alka zam, poof. why would it just disappear? i never thought that. a lot of people did though. this is going to be the defining moment. then when we entered the post racial -- what does that mean? the post racial era? race does not matter anymore because we have an african-american president. come on now. >> what are you saying? >> that it's still here with us. it might be different shapes and different forms and disguises, different configurations, but it's still here. >> do you think african-americans are too sensitive about race, for the most part? that's the first place we look. i said it because i'm african-american. that's not always the case. >> again to answer you, i think that is hard to say african-americans and mean that blanket. everyone thinks the same. i think definitely african-americans think like that. african-americans who don't. i think that's something that we get tripped up into a game and the world is one monolithic group. >> one of the harshest things i heard about you recently is that you are a racist. yo

we like abracadabra, press tow, changeo, poof. why would it just disappear? i never thought that. a lot of people did, though. that this could be the defining moment and then we enter the post-racial -- what does that word even mean -- post-racial era where race doesn't matter any more because we have an african-american president. >> so what are you saying? >> that it's still here with us. now there might be in different shapes, different forms, different disguises. different configurations. but it's still here. >> do you think african-americans are too sensitive about race at times, or for the most part? that's the first place we look and i'll say that because i'm african-american. when something happens, the first place we look and it's not always the case. >> well, again, to answer you, i think that it's hard to say african-americans and mean that just blanket, everyone thinks the same. i think they the african-americans think like that and african-americans who don't, you know? and i think that's something that we get tripped up into again and again and again, that we're one

like abracadabra, preso changeo, poof. why would it just disappear? i never thought that.ople did though. this is going to be the defining moment and we enter the post-racial -- what's that word even mean? post-racial era where race does not matter anymore because we have an african-american president. come on now. >> what are you saying? >> it's still here with us. it might be in different shapes, different forms, different d disguises, but it's still here. >> one of the harshest things i've heard about you is you haven't been the only one they haven't said it about is you're a racist. what do you say about that? >> my ancestors were enslaved for 400 years. they call martin luther king, martin luther coon. i'm not trying to put myself on that level but any time, the kickest way, this is old trick. if quickest way a lot people feel is to call them a racist. that thing is old. >> the entire interview tomorrow night, spike lee 10:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. >>> speaking of race in america, cnn take you inside hatred. you'll hear from a former skin head who is candid a

. >> i think some people got tricked into thinking that automatically magically presto changeo abra ka da bra, racism would evaporate. >> spike lee on the state of the union. also, the creators of "will and grace" and how their show changed america's conversation. >> it wasn't something we ever set out to do. >> plus, whitney houston's friend bebe winans on the final hello. >> we are learning how to celebrate her life. >> good evening. our big story tonight. complicated relationship between hollywood and the white house. president is still pretty popular. with several a-list fund-raisers. including one memorable one at george clooney's home earlier this year. for some celebrities, the honeymoon is well and truly over. jon lovitz. still outspoken. says he's received death threats for criticizing the president. jon lovitz joins me now. welcome back, jon. >> thank you. >> i wanted you back because it got so heated last time i thoroughly enjoyed myself. >> good, let's do it again. i said, i'm going to be interviewed by piers morgan again. they said, have a nice listen. >> aha, nice start.

his -- when barack put his hand on abraham lincoln's bible, that automatically, magically, presto, changeocadabra, racism would evaporate, and we'd be in the post-racial area. i still don't understand what that word is. so it's still a great movement. i like to say this because i hope you understand that i don't think about race 24/7, 365. i know i have a reputation. but that's not the case. everything i've done is not about race relations in this country. i do care about other things. not to negate that. i'm always being put in this position that i have to speak on race and i'm speaking on behalf of 45 million african-americans, which is not the case for both of those. >> let's swih to another issue then, guns. >> oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,eah, i'll talk about that. >> there was another shooting today. >> where? >> it was down in texas i think, and three people were killed including i think at least one policeman. random killing again. somebody disaffected. possibly unstable. but we don't know yet. this follows two really appalling massacres. the sikh temple and aurora. aurora being the worst

they did not just do this stuff and it happened overnight and they snapped their fingers and presto changeo an ra ca dab ra, it doesn't work like that. >> rose: i have probably interviewed more people of achievement than probably anybody alive. >> you got that, i agree. >> rose: and i have never had anybody ever say to me when i say how did you do it, they never say i had more talent, i had more brains, hi more connection. they always say i worked harder. and they believe it because it's true. >> can i say the a word on this show. >> you have to bust your ass. >> rose: yeah. >> you got to. and charlie, i don't want to sound like an old fuddy-duddy and i'm putting mirx you know, i'm a teacher. i'm a professor at nyu, i have been teaching fill tlm for the last 15 years. and this new generation, they want stuff like today. you got to put work in. you got to put elbow grease. you got to put in study. this day is not going to just happen. and this reality shows are contributing to this. >> rose: i agree. >> this mentality like that you could just go downed corner times square, and what's the guy