charlie: thank you so much. >> good to be with you, charlie. charlie: we will be right back.harlie: we continue with our look at the zika virus and its impact in florida with a conversation with the chief medical correspondent for cbs news, a practicing physician. this is from a conversation recorded on thursday afternoon. >> i think the number one thing that is going on right now is that every one of my colleagues at every level of government, especially in the health profession, are beside themselves over the lack of funding to help this zika outbreak. back in february, president obama requested 1.9 billion dollars in emergency funding at the request of the cdc, dr. todd freeman at the head of that. charlie: moving money around? >> they wanted new emergency money. what happened was, nothing. no new funding has been allocated. almost 600 million dollars has moved around. it was money that was supposed to go to ebola and other things. that has to be replenished. what has happened is a love of politics, and where we stand right now, which is a $1.1 billion compromise bill righ

charlie: clearly.t besser: like this seeso place, also commissioned a variety show where we shoot the best material from our theater. now everywhere in the country you can see it. that is like an ultimate goal of ours. back in the 1990's in chicago we used to joke we would have our own television station one day, and kind of, we do. you do not have to appeal to 30 million people anymore. ian: you see stuff like it happens on stage, which is radical, crazy, experimental. matt besser: you could do the exact comedy you want to do and only appeal to one million but still be considered successful. charlie: one more note about del close. this is sitting in front of me. aykroyd, chris farley, stephen colbert, boko incurred, odenkirk, amy sedaris -- this is an equitable history of comedy he is part of. amy: he is probably the most famous person comedy that people don't know about. he was a very successful and hilarious teacher and mentor. charlie: beyond being funny, he was also a teacher. amy: he was. i know

♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: amy schumer is here.he is a writer, actor, and author. she placed to sold out audiences around the world. she won comedy tour of the year. amy: i showed up to film this movie and i was like, i think i'm a model now. i think a lot of girls are like this. we have a sneaking suspicion in the back of our heads. mi, maybe, gorgeous? [laughter] i think i'm gorgeous. right? [applause] gorgeous, but i just haven't stumbled on the right here do -- hair do. one day i will cut bangs and everyone will be like, damn, and i'm like, treat me the same, you guys. [laughter] i'm the same person. and they're like, we can't, we're too hard. i'm like, i get it. but then my stunt double was a guy. [laughter] just in case you've never been to l.a., it is filled with the most beautiful people from all over the world. picture the most beautiful girl in your high school, the one you wanted to be. i'm talking to the guys right now. and everyone was like, you are too pretty for buffalo, go to l.a. everyone is hot there. everybody. u

charlie: what will you miss? his style? amy: his smile. charlie: his playlist? amy: his playlist is a little weird. it's a little thing. it's not what important. charlie: no, but it's interesting. amy: it's not like he can do no wrong. but it was all over the place. charlie: what was worst on the playlist? i have it right here. amy: do you? do they edit this? charlie: they don't edit. amy: did they edit on cbs the other day? charlie: which joke? amy: when you said, "how long?" we were talking about my relationship with ben. charlie: i said how long? i meant -- amy: i know it you meant. but you said, how long? and i said, umm -- charlie: i don't know if they edited it out but we won't. you play off of words. words, meaning, and you have associations. and you know what funny. amy: i think so. i made you laugh. charlie: everybody at the table laughed more than me. and to watch you take it to that place. and the timing was stunning. it was like -- amy: i just stretched out that moment. charlie: it is what it is. that is the gene you have. but back to hillary for a s

charlie: so di o i.like about him, among other things, i have always been intrigued by the relationship between mick and him. bonnie: amazing. charlie: whatever it is, whatever the conflict, whatever the tension, whatever the joy, it is there, it is real. bonnie: what a gift that his forthrightness in writing that book and bob dylan's book. when elvis costello's books. gete guys are incredible to inside the machinations -- not the history of songs, but they are open about relationships that await i would not have the guts to do that. charlie: why not? what do you have to fear? bonnie: i do not want to spend time going over my pass. but basically i have spent so much time doing interviews about other people and about other times in my past for documentaries and other people's books, i feel like i only did it. by the time you do a press junket for each album, you get into the 20th album, enough with the past. let's talk about now in the future. charlie: what do you hope for the future? bonnie: if we get pa

charlie: billy eichner is here.e is the creator and star of the pop-culture game show "billy on the street." tina fey, will ferrell, and michelle obama have all made appearances on the show. the fourth season is currently airing on tru tv. they call him a cyclone of snarkiness, pop-culture riffs and unbounded energy. here is a look. [video clip] billy: hey guys, i'm billy eichner. sir, for a dollar, spin in a circle if you are excited for the new james bond movie. spin in a circle. keep spinning, keeps spinning, keeps spinning. there you go, take it, bye. sir, rob lowe is back. >> who is he? billy: you don't know rob lowe? >> is he gay? billy: no! name three clintons. >> kennedy? billy: get out of here! is this on brand? game ioing to play a like to call, kate blanchet or curious george? cokehead?if you need help asking gay, part black, or cokehead? if you need help asking a question, you can ask an uncircumcised man. for a dollar, who is this? >> chris pratt. billy: yes, you win! bill cosby -- i mean bill hader. ju

>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: o.j. simpson is one of the most captivating and controversial figures of the modern era. he first became known as a star football player for the university of southern california, and then in the nfl he transcended his athletic career to become a beloved figure in popular culture. in 1994, he was charged with the murders of his ex-wife nicole brown simpson and ronald l goldman. the subsequent trial transfixed the nation. "o. j.: made in america," is a new documentary that chronicles simpson's rise and fall. the los angeles times calls the document "a masterwork of scholarship, journalism, and cinematic art." here is the trailer for "o. j.: made in america." ♪ >> i told oj, you are breaking the laws of god. >> if you are a black man in america, you are fighting our war. ♪ >> the reality of black america and white america, two totally separate worlds. >> for us, oj was colorless. none of the people that we associated with looked at him as a black man. >> he said, if you're going to be a negr

that's when charlie lets loose. you are very entertaining. charlie: tell me about it.ou were given the opportunity to do something you wanted to do to start from scratch and create , a show. larry: i been very lucky i been able to do that if you times. this show was so exciting. from the beginning jon stewart pitched me an idea. he thought there were a lot of voices that were not being represented on television and he thought this could be a show where that could happen. he said, i might you to be the ringleader. charlie: you didn't think when he first said it -- larry: no. you know you're in a conversation about that's a become surreal as they are talking about that. i was at my breaking bad age where i should be making meth somewhere. that's what i should do. i don't even think he is 30. i don't even think he can drink yet. who knows what is going on. >> rare opportunity. i took the humility that comes with all that knowing how tough it is to do that. the beloved stephen colbert, not just the successful but beloved stephen. stephen's a friend of mine, and taking all

charlie: yeah.frequency that toilets imply? 24 times a day? [laughter] i will tell you more why i am ok with that. i understand all of the dementias of somehow of people's medical information ought to be private. other people should not have access to it because it violates their right of privacy. i also believe so strongly that we have sensors and devices that can alert us to our health, that's really significant, and we would be much healthier if we had a greater sense of how our body was functioning. rem: you're obviously totally right. in that sense, i am also in a difficult position. it is not that we want to warn against these technologies, per se. we want to alert the world that if you add all of them together, there is perhaps an overdose or an element of surveillance, and it is like sitting in a car and basically if you want to drive without a safety belt, the car in a way sabotages the intention. and so, in that sense, yes, it is a smart thing. and yes, it is a good thing. and yes, you are

charlie: yeah.ost of the people i studied in literature in high school were raging alcoholics. you know, with abuse problems. charlie: you believed this? bonnie: well i mean, it came out later i found out, my god, hemingway and those guys, this is alcoholic thinking. once you understand that tendency to be self-aggrandizing and feel like you deserve more , but you also feel like you are worthless. those two things at the same time that drive a lot of people to great art. you know they feel wounded or , they feel more sensitive, or they are seeing things or picking up channels other people don't get. you know, i think that i don't , think anybody regrets the work they did. charlie: you obviously said, most of the music you did was written by someone else. but you i'm surprised by that. , because you've lived life. because you are a woman of feeling and a woman of -- you have lived life, and you feel life -- bonnie: but you don't have to have written the song to make it yours. charlie: i know that, bu

charlie: david ray.y fromfocus military themes and show character struggling through human problems we share that are not specific to military or civilians. like a military audience that accurately reflect them back. civilians telling military audience what it's like to be in the military. not that people can't understand the difference in culture. but we're not going in with preconceived notions with what people will respond to in what they don't. one of my favorite things -- i'm rambling, but we did this monologue from china by scott oregon. an employer reprimanding an employee for not wearing a bra. all the marines afterwords, the male marines were like, i thought the whole thing was good to go and i understood what you guys were after. there was that one monologue about that woman yelling at her employee for not wearing a bra that we felt like was an indirect attack on the way we do things in the military. there was a point for structure and uniformity. we thought that you were saying -- mocking the

charlie: what else?eorge: and had a lot of underpinnings of the kinds of things that a filmmaker wants to have in their movie. a lot of observations, and sort of philosophical musings. it was in the guise of an entertainment film. most people pay attention to that stuff. they knew it immediately. it's very, again, critics have a tendency to be glib. they have to look at a movie a day or two movies a day and an hourt rattle off in what their feelings are about it. as a result, you get a very surface-y kind of point of view. charlie: i'm asking the filmmaker. i am not asking critics about the film. george: i know how to make movies. i went to film school. i have a knack for it. i studied it very well. i practice. i know what i am doing. a lot of filmmakers have tried but on the technical telling a story, how you put a story together, how you make it effective emotionally, i know how to do that, and part of it is, i have a talent for it. part of it is, i worked hard to create an figure out how to do it. i a

hugh: he does, charlie.t is an inability to stay focused that has hurt him this month when he could have been reproducing. we were obvious he have to read what the reaction to the speeches tomorrow. i hope he doesn't step on his message. he gave a great speech in detroit and then made off hand comments about the second amendment and stepped on his message of economic renewal and massive tax cuts, and that was lost for the entire week. today, the home of the man who invented the penalty flag. it is in my backyard in the steel valley of ohio. he will try again to reset. if he stays on message, he can be very successful. for reasons we can talk about at length secretary clinton does , not have a great record when it comes to stopping isis, but he has got to make sure she is the focus and not some sidebar he ignites. charlie: is it too late to do that, dan? dan: it is getting very late, there is no question about it. the whole he has dug is wide and deep. the poll average was six points plus. that is not a close

charlie: hunter thompson. terry: yeah. charlie: tell me about the man you knew.erry: well, he was misunderstood, i think, because he had a persona that he loved so much that he had trouble taking it off. in private, he could be very courtly, sentimental even, and a very good friend. charlie: this sounds like donald trump to me too. that is what some people say about trump. courtly in private but has a persona he can't take off in public. terry: hunter was never a bully. charlie: back to hunter. back to hunter. terry: one of the ways i learned about hunter was by observing and being drawn in to his friendship with george plimpton. very few people recognized this but they were friends for a long, long time. they recognize each other right all. they had broken onto the scene at the same time with their books. their books came out with him a couple months of each other. they were both 6'3" and a half, well matched athletes except hunter was stronger, george was a better athlete. they both hated wine, loved cocaine. george used to call them the chemicals as in "do you

charlie: and ted cruz. running from the republican convention in -- for charlie: taking a stand 2020. because if things go really bad for donald trump, he can say, i saw this coming, i took a great risk. john: there was a parallel with what rockefeller was trying to do in 1964 when he is booed at the convention for goldwater. rockefeller thinks rockefeller , could have, he did have his moment again after that. he took a similar stand in 1964 that ted cruz took and got the same kind of reception. charlie: that he would come back in 1968. john: thought he would come back in 1968 and the party would not be in the conservative direction they were moving in. you have got to moderate as a party. charlie: what are your stories in "whistlestop" from the founding fathers? john: well, i love -- the election of 1800 -- charlie: jefferson. john: jefferson against adams and aaron burr goes in the house, they take 36 ballots. what i end up writing about is this guy james calendar, the first attack dog who nobody much kno

charlie: you do not know. mike: i do not know this. charlie: you don't know this. mike: i happen to know how you recruit people. it's my experience. it is my troffingsal assessment and what putin has done. charlie: skills you learned at the c.i.a. mike: i think putin was thinking two things. putin does not secretary clinton. charlie: people i talked to it is more that than it is donald trump. mike: i think it's both. you and i have had many conversations about russia and putin and sat around this table that there is one thing above all else that putin fears and hat is an arab spring, green revolution-style uprising in the treets of moss cow and that is -- moscow and that is what happened in barack obama's first term. he blamed that on secretary clinton. he believes that secretary clinton was behind it. she wasn't. charlie: and the strong state and necessary to have a strong state and cannot allow people in the streets. mike: he is afraid of her. charlie: that is much more than secretary clinton. that isn't smart to say it is all about secretary clinton. mike: there

charlie: thank you, jim. jim from the "washington post." ♪ charlie: mike is a former acting director of the c.i.a. resigned to publicly endorse hillary clinton. on friday, he wrote a scathing op-ed where he called donald trump "a poor and dangerous commander-in-chief." "he may well pose a threat to our national security.' i am pleased to welcome like morel. mike: great to be here. charlie: tell me about why you felt compelled to change where you were. a contributor to cbs on public boards. former acting director and deputy director of the cia, a man who has gained increasing respect for his voice, because of his access to media. to say that he is going in a different direction. was notarlie, this surprisingly difficult for me. an, being a political -- b apoliticartisan, being al is in part of my dna. charlie: your responsibility was to tell people what the facts were. mike: right, and to be objective about it. any hint of politics would undercut the credibility of what you are saying. intelligence officers ha

charlie: what else? george: and had a lot of underpinnings of the kinds of things that a filmmaker wants to have in their movie. a lot of observations, and philosophical musings. it was in the guise of an entertainment film. they knew it immediately. critics have a tendency to be glib. they have to look at a movie a day or two movies a day and rattle off what their feelings are. kind ofa very surface-y point of view. charlie: i'm asking the filmmaker. not critics. is, i know hower to film school. i have a knack for it. i studied it very well. i practice. i know what i am doing. a lot of filmmakers have tried but on the technical telling a story, how you put a story together, how you make it effective emotionally, i know how to do that. i have a talent for it. i worked hard to create, to figure how to do it. reasonably effective at it. i have made a lot of movies, i have produced more movies that were failures than successes. ♪ george: as a director, most of my films have been big successes except for one

charlie: and ted cruz.n: running from the republican convention in -- charlie: taking a stand because if things go bad for donald trump you can say, i saw this coming on, and i could've stopped it. i took a great risk. john: there was a parallel with what rockefeller was trying to atin 1964 when he booed the convention for goldwater. rockefeller could have, he did have his money -- moment again. he had that stand in 1964 where ted cruz got the same kind of reception. charlie: that he would come back in 1968. john: they did not see that conservative direction they moved in. that did not -- charlie: what are your stories in whistle top from the founding fathers? -- whistlestop from the founding fathers? jefferson -- john: jefferson against adams, and aaron burr goes into the house and takes 36 ballots. what i end up writing about is this guy james calendar, the first attack dog who nobody really knows about because history has not been kind to him. but in the press, the battles were in the press. it was the g

charlie: thank you, thank you. ♪ charlie: john lithgow is here.n emmys and tony awards on stage, twice oscar-nominated for his work in film. he is playing one of the most demanding and challenging parts ever written for the stage. obviously you know i am talking about king lear. this is a shakespeare in the park production at delacorte theater in new york central park through august 17. i am very pleased to have john lithgow on this program. john: great to be here, charlie. charlie: how does john lithgow and king lear come here together? john: the plate is much greater than i am. i have been nagging someone to consider me for it. probably, the first i mentioned it to him is probably long before i should have played it. but now i think i have just entered that interesting window of opportunity for lear, when your young enough to play it when you still have the strength but old enough to play it because you can bring authenticity to an old man losing his viability. i know it better than i even realized. i have seen it so many times in my life. i pla

charlie: mark?ark: it is uncomfortable to go to one of the campaigns and say, we don't believe what you are telling us. we don't believe your explanation. what i have been saying even if , you want to credit their explanation, donald trump actually meant that after this they could use this power or before at the ballot box or the lobby, he wants to -- he has to understand and his campaign has to understand a lot of people are really troubled by what he said. they took it to mean advocating violence against a president clinton. and i think it donald trump once to convince people he is reasonable, that he is compassionate, that he is gracious, that he is sensitive, he thinks he needs to convince people of those things to win, he has missed another opportunity to do that. charlie: it is a presidential quality to be able to censor yourself and make sure what you are saying is not misunderstood. mark: yeah, and if you are misunderstood, on a topic so serious, so serious united states secret service is ta

charlie: let's take libya.e have a lot of tribes there a government is trying to support, but is not sure. -- it is not sure. do for stability? we are engaged with the battle against isis in libya. scott: libya is a great example of what happened. libya is one of the so-called artificial states. it was created along with iraq and syria. charlie: when we say who created them, clearly it was the brits. and the french. scott: in libya's case, the italians. so you join together with these ottomanst under the had largely very little to do with one another. they joined together these artificial states, and for a long time, at the end of world war ii, things kind of went along. they had these western allied monarchs. and then in the late 1940's, early 1950's, you start seeing these totalitarian regimes come into power, dictators. libya.iraq, gaddafi in so really what those strong individuals, along with looking out for their own power, was they were trying to create a national identity in places that did not have a st

charlie: and about his wife?enneth: she, i can't describe her as not without ambition but a sickness, too full of the milk of human kindness. there are remarks of her being essentially good-natured, but once he has had this amazing success, reviews are brilliant as it were that duncan says fantastic, i am going to give , you willplanting you have all sorts of rewards. charlie: a new name. kenneth: a new name even, but i am giving my job to him, instead of my son. and immediately mac beth, certainly with the witches in his pronouncement, a few short moments ago, say, why should he be in the way? take this step that lays in my way, which i must fall down or else or leap. or leap, or leap means murder in this context. it is basically a wonderful play for putting people in this unusual, extreme position. charlie: the witches are great. you see the opening with this don't hand kind of thing. -- you see the opening with this stonehenge kind of thing. the lives of the good and the great, the power of suggestion. some wo

>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: terry macdonald's ear. his career spans more than four decades. he has edited some of this country's most influential magazines, including esquire, rolling stone, sports illustrated, and has worked with many of our greatest literary talent. he chronicles his long life in publishing and in the world of letters in his new memoir. it is called "the accidental life and editors notes on writers."d he is a friend and i'm proud to have him here for the why did you decide in what was the point for this particular book? was it one you always knew you had to write because it involved the ideas of writing and the people, writing, that you care most about. it felt like i would always write this book but it didn't at the beginning. i went through files i had carried with me of 13 different magazines. i found all kinds of stories, photographs of the relationship i had with these various writers and i thought the best way for me to show my own writing would be to write about these writers. i started telling those stories

charlie: exactly.ook how much of the world is -- how much wealth in the world is controlled by a few people. bob: there is an element of that that has really agitated republicans on capitol hill and people in the conservative movement. the bill buckley wing of the conservative right, they try to wash out the john birch element, back in the 1950's. it seems to have reared its head again. not necessarily directly because of trump, but it is part of this trump insurgence in american conservatism. if you look at all the outlets that have been around for a long time, they are uncomfortable with what is happening with bright part, -- breitbart, with different other publications on the far side of the gop. they say this is not what bill buckley and reagan represented. michael: that is what is remarkable about banning and -- bannon and his ilk. they never stop criticizing the elite and the powerful just because they are republican. they identify with the republican party they are , conservatives, but they look

♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we begin with politics.n an interview this weekend, donald trump suggested the u.s. should accept russia's and accession with crimea. the deal runs counter to the obama administration. it is now believed that the might be responsible for the research and testing from this dnc campaign. administration has cap short of a actual accusation, john brennan says interference in the election progress is a serious matter. i'm pleased to have him here at the table. welcome. let's talk about that. let's talk about tod's interview ukraine. who did it? why do they do it? how do we retaliate? >> all fascinating issues. as strange as this election has been, it does not seem likely would try to putin interfere with the u.s. election. they've tried to interfere there. to be fair they united states has not been a bus in messaging in other countries election. david: that's right, in 2009 when there was going to be a backlash. here is what we know. we know the dnc got hacked and they lost large amounts of e-mails and other data

charlie: because?it unleashed and destabilized -- it unleashed destabilizing forces in the region. we faced them in paris. we faced them in san bernardino and orlando. individuals get inspired. charlie: let's stay with that idea. are you saying, take 9/11, osama bin laden wanted to lash out. a planned attack by him. one of the principal people in captivity. in terms of iraq, destabilize the region, because that war had the destabilizing effect it had. and provided a bigger series of people who wished us bad as well as what else? steven: they also had a target. suddenly the americans were invading an islamic country. the terrorist's greatest dream is to have the war with western civilization. charlie: would that have happened if we had not gone into iraq? steven: i don't know. that goal of the terrorists is the same. to lure us into a war with western civilization and the muslim religion. charlie: which is the argument used by many people as to how we have to respond to this. if we engage them in a land

charlie: two you think he cares? katy: i don't know. charlie: it's a pleasure to have you here.k in a moment. ♪ charlie: common essential canceled the nightly show with larry wilmore. before the creation of the nightly show with larry wilmore, he was a regular on "the daily show with jon stewart." we are pleased to have them here this evening to talk about television and his future. katy: -- >> as many of you have heard, this is our final week of "the nightly show." i want to thank comedy central for this rare opportunity. when we started the show we wanted to have a conversation on some tough subjects. our show was at its best when the news was at its worst. i'm so proud we were able to take on real issues and hopefully say something powerful while making people laugh. my only regret is that we won't be around to cover this truly insane election season. going plus side, our show off the air has to only mean one thing. we did it. [laughter] charlie: joining me is larry wilmore. when i read this this morning i said, there's the man i want to have on this show as soon as possible.

charlie: this is just more comic fodder for you. nora: i don't know, charlie. be older. charlie: i don't think so, either, but it doesn't have to be bad. nora: it doesn't have to be bad. you have to know, you have to know that at some point it will be. charlie: sure. nora: and sooner rather than later. which is why it's very important to eat your last meal before it actually comes up. charlie: tell the story of how you came to that conclusion. i know what it was. your good friend. nora: who was dying. charlie: who no longer could eat hotdogs. nora: well, she could no longer eat. and she said, i can't even have my last meal. to be serious for a moment, as they say in the jokes, when you are actually going to have your last meal, you either will be too sick to have it or you aren't going to know it will be your last meal, and you could squander it on something like a tuna melt, and that would be ironic. so it's important. we all play these games at dinner with friends, where we go around the table, we say, this is what i would have for my last meal. and i feel it

charlie: now we have video. especially with police violence against individuals, it enhances it in some cases, it looks uncalled for. charlie: you use the term " uncalled for." we have a term, "it is lawful, but it looks awful." any use of force looks awful. what we clearly are seeing, and some instances, police force is an appropriate. the vast majority is in response to people resisting arrest. in the state of new york, it is illegal to resist arrest, but the vast majority of videos i see of my officers are actions in which they are being resisted as they attempt to make an arrest. that problem seems to be increasing here and nationally. we are talking isolated instances, but it does lead to the question -- does the need to be training and sensitizing of police officials, even in new york city? charlie: we are going to base but -- cmsr. bratton: we are going to be spending tens of millions of dollars on retraining the whole force. whole forcear the went through a three-day training period. this year it will fo

♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: bryan stephenson is here.e has dedicated his life in fighting racial discrimination. his efforts have also focused on putting a spotlight on the legacy of slavery in america. he also won a landmark supreme court ruling. it held mandatory life without parole sentences for minors as unconstitutional. the new organization plans to open the largest memorial honoring the thousands of victims of lynching in the united states. the project includes a museum. both will be located in montgomery, alabama. i am pleased to have him back at the table, welcome. when you went to montgomery as a a young lawyer, did you see this career happening? bryan: i didn't see everything that would come. i grew up in a poor community where i saw the anguish and suffering. i knew the way people internalized that hurt. i saw people humiliated and so when i got to montgomery, the desire to see things change was very real. i had no idea things would develop as they did. i went as time when you could still have a conversation with rosa parks.

charlie: a whole range of people. charlie: a whole range of people. is there a consensus? the consensus is twofold. there are certain things we haven't done enough to deal with and people are surprised we have not suffered from it. the dramatic consensus is the threats have multiplied because somebody acting alone who is inspired by online communication or reading propaganda online, that is stuff you cannot prevent and potential to scare us multiplies because when you do it in a random place, like a community service center, nightclub, the intent or the result of that is to send the message nobody is safe, it can it in a random place, like a happen anywhere. ray kelly is quoted saying he thought san bernardino was the game changer because it was such a random place. it was not the statue of liberty or something. it was an any place. ♪ ashlee: the year was 2047, and this is all that was left. ♪ ashlee: the great space wars between the muscavarians and -- had depleted the earth of all its natural resources. the bitcoin virus and uber's robot chauffeurs had finished the job.

charlie: things you don't know. moira: exactly. charlie: you just don't know.answered questions, and how will you answer those questions? moira: also, i don't think the system is designed to deliver certainty. one of the major takeaways for me, with respect to our process, was, you know, part of our inquiry was, to what extent can the system deliver on its promises of truth and justice? and i really came away from this process thinking, the system can do i and better job of delivering truth -- sorry, justice, which is a process. charlie: than truth? laura: that's right. we can't always count on the system to reveal truth. there is so much and beauty in these matters. they are extremely complex. there are so many ingredients that go into the investigation and prosecution of a case. you know, one of the things we really wanted to do for our viewers was to document the pretrial proceedings. what came before the trial stage. so that viewers could understand, and appreciate, you rights defensec attorneys are fighting for at that point. decisions they are making that

charlie: that you were trumpian,.hese things came down on you and be asked because you do not speak as precisely as you should have, or that i did not ask the right questions. you asked the right questions. while the things you are taught as a young analyst at the cia is precision of language. clarity of message. it gets be into you. you.at into sometimes you do not do what you were taught. clearot think i was as with you and your viewers as i should have been. so, let me try to make this clear. war has to end. is the reason it has to end because it is feeding extremism in iraq and syria. arms aroundet our and squeeze isis down and down and down, the civil war will continue to breed extremism. isis will go away and some other group will replace it. the syrian civil war needs to end. in my view, there is not a military solution to that. and the reason there is not a military solution to that is because a military solution would end up with the destruction of the syrian military, the syrian security services, syrian int

charlie: the cyberattack targeting the d.n.c. appears to have been more extensive than first believed. russian hackers have allegedly breached a number of accounts. the original leak in july forced d.n.c. chairwoman debbie wasserman schultz to resign. questions remain as to whether the hacks are part of a larger effort to influence the american presidential election. joining me now is adam siegel on the council of foreign relations. author of "the hacked world order." he served as general counsel at the national security agency. he currently leads a global cybersecurity practice at the mayer-brown law firm. and michael riley covers cybersecurity. from cambridge. david sanger of "the new york times." i'm pleased to have all of them here. david, since you've been with me so many times, tell me where we are. david: i think year at a predictable place in the course of this because what we knew a year, year and a half ago, though the government didn't announce it as such, is the russians have gotten inside the state department's uncla

charlie: what are we afraid of?ike: we are afraid of him doing in the baltics what he did in the ukraine. in crimea. you know, we were not willing to go to war over crimea and western europe was not either. i think we might be going to go to war over the baltics. charlie: do you think hillary clinton would go to war over the baltics? mike: i do not want to speak for her but president who has set in office i believe would go to war over the baltics because of our nato commitment. charlie: donald trump says it depends on how they have contributed to nato. speaking of trump, i read an article saying that you were doing something you had not done before. you were retreating from a position of being bipartisan to endorse hillary clinton because you thought the stakes were that serious and it was a matter of principle. here's what donald trump said today, because he has just today received the first intelligent briefing that the two major party candidates receive from the cia or the director of intelligence or whatever it

charlie: everybody tries.very single new president tries to do what he can or perhaps she can to do some thing about it. teach year, we sense george mitchell and then john kerry. it continues. some critics call this a love letter to israel. do you see it that way? natalie: it is really funny it came out that way. not that it came out that way but is perceived that way. it is very much, to me, a family story and an individual story. there is the backdrop which is the state. if anything, i find myself i am, a, the same way good citizen is a critical citizen. when it was perceived that way, it was surprising to me. it is not meant as a political statement, it is meant as a family story with a historical backdrop. ♪ charlie: did you seek out advice on directing? natalie: update. mostly in the editing process, i went to direct friends. int was really my first time that process. otherwise, it has been over 20 years i have been acting. been lucky enough to work with a lot of wonderful directors. charlie: did you alwa

charlie: absolutely.el very privileged deeply moved getting to stand up for people and speak to people. i was told one day that sometimes you have to stand when other people faced in down. -- say sit down. when you know who you are standing for, it does not feel like a burden. i feel very honored to represent people whose humanity i think has denied. charlie: thank you for coming. stevenson, i did a piece for 60 minutes with him and he will see part of that. great given one of the hasconference talks which been seen by millions and millions of people. his book is called just mercy. of ryan andprofile he raises important questions for all of us that need to be beed on and need to addressed and heard loud and clear. him aonored to call friend. back in a moment. stay with us. ♪ charlie: michael kenneth williams is here. he is best known for his portrayal in the wire. him behindrole finds bars as friday. he has taken a turn as an investigative journalist and vice's new documentary series. here is a look at bl

charlie: or how do we invest?rd: he is missing the lost worldes in which -- in a in which the united states still leads. charlie: when looking at ukraine, explain it to me. does it make you wonder, what does he really know? he seems to operate on instinct. he takes pride in that. richard: he takes pride in that. the only way i could think of defending him, and it is a stretch, would be that in the case of eastern ukraine, you have not had uniform russian divisions going there, but funny -- on uniformed guys going in, to themea was a threat principle of international relations. the one thing we can all agree on is that you cannot use military force to change borders. it is the one idea of sovereignty. it has been around for a couple hundred years. when saddam hussein tried it in kuwait, the world, including the soviet union, came together to rebuff it. charlie: you can't use military force to change governments? richard: no, borders. what russia did is clearly a threat to the postwar order, the order in europe. we

charlie rose: create jobs at home. eric: of course, in google's case we generate a lot of cash from our operations. it seems crazy to not let it come in to be used as capital. we are under investing in our infrastructure. the country's population is growing. interconnectivity is increasing. we need to spend the money on roads and bridges and airports, you name it. we are not doing it. and interest rates are low. charlie rose: therefore investment in infrastructure will create demand. eric:there is a set of things that businesses can do. they're not allowed to build roads and bridges. there is a proper function for government. government needs to get organized by doing this. that that drives economic creativity, which drives wealth, happiness, and more voters, seems very straightforward. charlie rose: where is the most competition going to come from to the american technological engine? china, south korea, somewhere lse? schmidt: the history was that america would invent it, korea would perfect it, and china would make

charlie: this is about you.d a hollywood reporter i think you have to have a difficult past to have the will to entertain especially to make people laugh. at this point i've listened to so many mark marin podcasts who has been on the show several times to just take it for granted that people who are super funny have to be at some point in their life a little screwed up. you believe that. >> i don't. charlie: you don't believe that? >> exactly right. i don't excel. >> i mean, yeah. you could say, to run for president you have to be a little screwed up. >> i think you can be happy and funny. >> true. we know each other well. i -- you don't seem that screwed up. charlie: you were not beaten by your parents when you are four-years-old. >> well, not --. bring it out right now. >> this will be a new show for saturday night. charlie: come share your pain. >> i think there is a degree to which if you are an artist of any kind you're able to see world in this very open ended way to make observations. and you see extreme

welcome. >> thanks, charlie. charlie: what made you pursue this?f all the questions you could be asking and pursuing? steven: i was curious to document and see how we had done. i did a book in 2003 about the immediate aftermath and the standing up of the department of homeland security. as a citizen i had not paid uch attention to it. i had this vague sense that intercept a tounch money and that there were a lot of dedicated people doing a lot of very good things, but that the record might be really interesting and really mixed. it turned out the record is mixed. charlie: but it is clear we are safer. steven: we are stronger. we have more defenses because of the men and women who work at it every day. charlie: why doesn't that make us stronger? >> there are two things in the equation. one is our defense, which is stronger. the other is the offense. the offense has multiplied. it is much more diffused. in part because we went into iraq and caused turmoil in that part of the world. we face many more threats, different kinds of threats and we haven't

charlie: i am with meryl streep. insecure and actor is, the more they have been prepared and they are liable to give exactly the performance they have prepared in a bathroom year. if i have learned anything, meryl is right. do the prep but then try and wing it on the day. charlie: the other thing i know, the idea, do you want to do it deliberately or just try to do it one more time? or do you view it as an opportunity? meryl: i don't even think about it that way. know, ihink of, you don't know where he is going to throw the ball. if you anticipate that, you are dead. the thing is dead. it is like a dead thing. charlie: you can't say dead without giving it something. imon: it is incredible. doing scenes with meryl, it makes the life come out of you. and you, too. i'm not trying to -- hugh: no. i felt the same way. meryl: you didn't do as many numbers with him. directors are tragic figures. charlie: what did you do, what was your role? stephen: they were very, very good. talentedwhen you have people. stephen: you shut