i have it. charlielook at the stage and i see people looking down at the prompter for the words. jon: sure. they are there for me as well. not because i don't know the words. because my mind, in a perfect show, the last thing i'm ever doing is thinking about what is going on. i am on another plane. charlie: where are you? jon: i'm thinking about having a drink with you somewhere at the bar after. in truth, i'm having such a great time that i'm not in the minutiae. if i hear a note go wrong, that is when i pay attention. it is fantastic. it is spiritual. charlie: you are one with the audience. jon: most definitely. but on another plane. it is not about worrying about tiae.w show -- minu charlie: why is your band not in the rock 'n roll hall of fame? jon: the truth is we have met all the prerequisites. if you want to be brutally honest, some of us have friends in the business and some of us have friends that are not such good friends. there are people that are envious and jealous. i have had a couple of f

or i will come to you and b.s. you. charlie the same time you hate to play it when you're on tour? jon: i do know all the words. inrlie: i hated to hear that fact. jon: it's taken out of context. artist is proud of his new record. you're very anxious to play it. did these four theater shows to explain it. only new record and new stuff. was received well. blessed having co-written a number of big hits. prayer, that song, i got it. i know the words. look at aometimes i stage and i see people looking the prompter. for the words. jon: they're there for me as well. don't know the words. charlie: for protection. yes. in a perfect show, the last thing i ever doing is think on.g what's going i'm on another plane. charlie: where are you? an i am think being having drink with you somewhere in the bar afterwards. in truth, i'm having such a that i'm not in -- if i hear a note go wrong, that's when i come back to earth. i become that thing. charlie: that's the performance. it's a spiritual. charlie: you are with the audience? jon: most def

i work a lot. charlie. moreau: these films are not distributed as they were. there is one i've made that has been bought by sony that is going to open in next june, i think. and another french film i made is going to be shown next fall. i work a lot. charlie: you once said that the greatest success you had was your ability to "live without any protection." what did you mean by that? without a safety net? without security? ms. moreau: yes, well -- i mean, a marriage doesn't suit me. charlie: why not? ms. moreau: i don't know. i've never lived on anybody's money. i've always been responsible for my family, my close friends. i did not follow the usual path, you know. trying to stay close to my -- what is called image. charlie: your images rebellious, independence. to use an american clichÉ, you marched to your own drummer. ms. moreau: that's it. charlie: that's true. ms. moreau: i'm the drummer and the drum -- charlie: the drummer and the drum major. ms. moreau: instinctively, i have chosen to start a new one

i do not buy it. charliethey did not vote against it when it was used against you. >> they did not vote for it. they prevented it. charlie: that is what i said. they did not vote for it. >> is more than that. they did notd, even let it get to a vote to use their vehicle -- biko. this is the sad irony of history. we condemn the use of chemical weapons the matter who uses them and no matter against whom it is used. pure and simple. accept anct me to allegation by the united states. we have asked for an investigation, for an international, impartial investigation of who used them. i am not saying what happened because i was not there. charlie: they had video, they have everything else. >> they have video of the victims. my heart goes out to the victims. charlie: victims of sarin gas. do you know what that does? >> of course i do. nobody knows better than we do what sarin gas does. in new york, i received patients who have been victims of sarin gas from iran and iraq. i received them at kennedy airport. i took th

charlie: i want to talk about politics. why did she lose? d the man you're looking at in the presidency today win? al: i think there are a lot of reasons. he obviously appealed to people who are angry. and -- charlie: why wouldn't she appeal to those people? al: i believe that part of what they're angry at is the establishment. and part of what they felt was, if we just get somebody in there who hasn't been part of this -- charlie: the establishment, washington crowd, drain the swamp. al: there was that aspect of it. but people are legitimately angry. i mean, i'm talking about people who for 40 years have seen the middle class squeezed. and who don't see their kids having a brighter future than they had. and are angry about it. i think that we -- the democratic party have a different interpretation of why that has happened. charlie: did you make that argument clear? al: i think what happened was at a certain point, hillary had felt that donald trump had disqualified himself. i think they felt they were going to win. and they started playing p

charlie: you agree? bill: i agree. is not just nuclear weapons, but bioterrorism is also quite daunting. charlie: what is bioterrorism? bill: in an extreme case, somebody would reconstruct, say, the smallpox and it could kill millions or potentially billions. warren: there was an oped and the "new york times" and i said something to bill -- he said it sounds feasible. it was basically about reconstituting smallpox. there are people in the world, may be organizations, who would love the idea of creating a smallpox epidemic. charlie: how do you prevent that? bill: you want to have warren: there was an oped and the new york times and i said something to bill and he said it sounds reasonable. there are people in the world, may be organizations, who would love the idea of creating a smallpox epidemic. charlie: how do you prevent that? bill: you want to have surveillance to catch it as soon as you can. you want to have medical tools where you can create a vaccine and protect people. science is working on the defense part of

charlie: i cannot speak for president trump. always a pleasure to have you here. i think that when you here and we have a conversation -- you and i and you and others may disagree or admire many things, that what you said and what i believe in is that iran is a great country. the united states is a great country with a proud tradition. and that both would be better off if they tried to find common ground and figure out a way that those things that are not in the best interest -- mohammad: we did find common ground on the nuclear deal. i think the world is better for it. and i hope people will stick to it because that is a good deal. there can't be a better one, because at the end of the day, a deal is a give and take, and we gave some, and the united states gave some, because that is the name of the game. i think we need to recognize, it is an important recognition in the state and age, that no one can win at the expense of others. maybe temporarily, but that is not sustainable. sustainable gains should be all-inclusive, should i

charlie: what is the most challenging and difficult for you? >> um, idest thing was the daily show. charlie: even though you had producers and other people? jessica: we would go with one producer, travel somewhere, probably the south and interview somebody in their living room or something like that, which feels very intimate. a lot of times, they would say things that were bananas. charlie: did they know they were bananas? jessica: no. i think, doing those interviews i don't think people thought were nuts. i think a part of growing up for me and learning about other people is people have a justification for everything. whether it makes sense to you or not, people in their minds have found reasoning, so it never came off that they didn't -- that they thought that what they were saying was crazy. charlie: and they don't think that people -- in some cases they do -- think that people are contemptuous of them for believing it? jessica: they don't think there is a world where we don't agree with them. also, they think they are going to prove us wrong in som

i don't know. charlie: why directing? pportunity for a different kind of creative expression? ms. moreau: of course. and i love actors. charlie: you understand them. ms. moreau: charlie: i do understand them. i have worked with great people. --t do you understand charlie: what do you understand about actors and actresses? ms. moreau: i'm not frightened of them. a majority of directors are afraid of actors. are very good directors and a very different image of the film they want to make. and then come the actors. and each actor comes with its own personality. go -- oh,ctor will she doesn't do it the way i wanted. there is a different approach. a different approach to say, i want that. i want these characters to be like that. i want the film to be like that. but i leave the door open to something may be richer. issuedng new that may be -- eschewed from the unexpected. close to actors, you know exactly when something is wrong. [indiscernible] lilly. [indiscernible] >> there won't be a wedding. there won't be a wedding. >> it

[laughter] charlie: i do. st talked last week in the chambers at the supreme court to justice ruth bader ginsburg. she said to me that she would like to see more of a conversation between the court and the congress. justice breyer: it is hard to get a conversation going. charlie: but you understand what she means? justice breyer: absolutely, absolutely because sometimes you can find something in a statute -- say why did you -- she has written -- charlie: or had them think about in a dissent, which she had been -- the complexion of the congress had changed, but the newcomers, i think this was maybe -- i forgot the case. congress then changed the law because of what she pointed out or someone had pointed out in a dissent because there was a dialogue. justice breyer: i think that is good, but it is not easy to bring about. i think -- i worked in congress for a while on the staff. charlie: the judiciary committee with ted kennedy? justice breyer: yes. i would guess they are on different time frames. see, we take th

i think that is what is changing this context. charliedavid, i talked to former vice chairman joint chiefs of staff this morning on "cbs this morning" and he suggested that the north koreans do not want to attack the united states. what this really is, in their mind, a kind of deterrent to being attacked because they generally believe the united states would like to come in and overthrow the regime or damage it in some other way. do you believe that? do most of the people in the national security apparatus believe that? david: well, i think judgments differ. whether the north koreans are doing this for self-protection because they fear that kim jong-un doesn't want to end up like could aussie, -- like qadd afi, giving up his nuclear weapons and then being deposed and killed soon after, or whether there is a more hostile intent is hard to know. there is a cult of militant self-reliance is really the foundation of the modern north korea that backs all this up. i just, like jamie, i think the danger of miscalculation, misreading north korea,

ever anticipated, charlie. ihought if i got 30-40 people, i would -- i think we are 100 and 56 or something like that. now goingople -- and beyond the borders of the united states, which i didn't feel would originally happen. people are learning more -- our members -- learning about things, how people handle within their families, wealthy families, and it has worked out so much better than i would've asked six years ago or seven years ago. charlie: both of you had made the point because of success in technology, there are a lot of people coming into a lot of money much younger. >> it is a great thing that they are doing so well. i didn't give huge gifts until i was a 45, some in their 30's are already doing amazing things. why were you reluctant to give earlier than that? bill: i hadn't taken the time to hugestand where the payoffs were. i was pretty maniacal about microsoft and only in my late 30's with some encouragement from my wife, melinda, did i start to study and talk with her about it. we knew i would do

and it was difficult to write this book. >> charlie: i heard you're behind? >> you can discount the polls but having said that it's a tough time to write a book like this. >> charlie: you department -- your family didn't know. >> and it's not the easiest path to re-election. campaigns are risk averse and you don't want to introduce any variables. it makes some people upset but i felt it was important enough to do. and just to deal with the consequences because we're in a bad way now and have to come together as a country and around principles of economic freedom or free trade and just in terms of demeanor and comportment and basic kindness, the last chapter is talking about the way forward and i talk about what i grew up with with the saying in our home, put on the refrigerator as long as i can remember, assume the best and look for the good. that's what my mother and father always wanted to teach us. >> charlie: assume the best, look for the good. >> assume the best and look no r future good and we can use more of that in politics. >> charlie: how is john mcc

flake: i think that is right. charlie they read that they see you saying i am not happy with presidential leadership. sen. flake: that is true. i am not. charlie: therefore, does it axiomatically follow -- -- idean better arguments. sen. flake: i think that is sen. flake: no, it doesn't. like i said, there are some things the president is doing i agree with. i hope he comes around on the other, on nafta for example. the latest negotiating points were pretty good. charlie: he has changed on a number of things, he said, but not the wall. sen. flake: right. charlie: do you think he will get the wall? sen. flake: no, i don't. the notion of a 2000 mile wall -- sen. flake: some say it's not a 2000 mile wall. charlie: looking at appropriations in the budget. sen. flake: we will have better barriers in some places, surveillance in others. there are natural barriers and others. there are a myriad of things that need to be done to have a more secure border that does not involve a 2000 mile solitary wall that some people envision, b

they were walking really slow, and i wanted to go "move." charlie happen in new york. >> i become a new york monster. [laughter] queens" haso dope been renewed. >> yes, we do that with nyc studio, with our podcast. am i breaking news here or -- as of maybe, live 1.5 hours ago. we are going to do 41-hour specials for hbo, so we are excited about that. those will be live taped. charlie: what is the most challenging and difficult for you? say the hardest thing was the daily show. charlie: even though you had producers and other people? >> we would travel somewhere, probably the south and interview somebody in their living room or something like that which feels very different in the lot -- intimate and a lot of times, they would say things that were bananas. did they know they were bananas? >> no. i don't think people thought that they were not. forink a part of growing up me and learning about other people is the have a justification for everything. whether it makes sense to you or not, people in their minds have it neversoning, so came off that they

i love it. tituss: yes. charlieu read about kidnapping stories that you can have a feel for what those people said it was like to emerge after captivity? ellie: yes. at the beginning of the show i was very worried about how this would be received and how you are treating this very delicate subject. you do not want to treat a lightly at all, of course. i think being sensitive to that and making sure it is the story of what happened after, after you emerge -- charlie: there is optimism. you used to be in a dungeon and you no longer are. ellie: yes. and i think it can be related to on a less dramatic scale for anyone. people have all had terrible things happen and need to keep going forward. you don't want to treat something like that lightly, there's nothing light about it. charlie: what do your friends say about your character? tituss: goodness. they all try to figure out what version of them i am doing. they think i am doing impersonations. they laugh, i think they are used to my shenanigans inside of our friendship

charlie: i agree. i totally agree. you would expect that.ith technology and time and different circumstances, clearly there are new problems and ought , to be new solutions. here is what is interesting to me -- i interviewed president obama in germany and i said to him, we have the best economy, we have the best technology, we have the best universities. we ought to be able to own the 21st century. what could stop us? and he said politics. and that is one thing he came to washington -- he came as president, believing he could do. believing that he could bring bipartisanship. bob gates said to me, the most difficult problem for america is not in any foreign land. the most difficult problem is three square miles between virginia and maryland. >> yeah. charlie: lots of people agree that washington is the problem. the gridlock in terms of, on the one hand, john boehner, and on the other, barack obama. how do we deal with that? >> first of all, what we're up against is really severe. you got people living in alternative universes in terms of the

charlie: i totally agree. u would think with the onrush of technology and different circumstances, clearly there are new problems and ought to be new solutions. here is what is interesting to me. i interviewed president obama in germany. i said we have the best economy and best technology. we have the best universities. we ought to be able to own the 21st century. what could stop us? and he said, "our politics." that is one thing he came to washington -- he came as president believing he could do, believing that he could bring bipartisanship. bob gates said to me the most difficult problem for america is not in any foreign land. the most difficult problem is the three square miles between virginia and maryland. lots of people agree washington is the problem. gridlock between john boehner and barack obama. how do we deal with that? jake: what we are up against is really severe. in have people living alternative universes in terms of media a consume. charlie: they watch what says what they believe. jake: if all y

that is exactly the kind of thing i feel folks in my position should do more. charliein 2008, you were working for her rather than him? jake: i worked for her during the primary and for him during the general election. i was part of the debate preparation team to prepare him for the general election debate against john mccain. charlie: we will hear some of this when she writes her book about what happened. you were there, you saw what was going on. what happened? jake: there is a reason she wrote a book on this because it takes an entire book to fully explain it, the complexity and interconnectedness of a bunch of different strands coming together on one day in november to produce a defeat. i think it'd had been any other date she probably would have won the election. partly because of what happened in the closing days of the campaign. jim comey came out on october 28, 10 days before the election -- charlie: you guys had momentum at that time. jake: exactly. and he came out again two days before the election with the letter saying i am again exonerating secretary clint

charlie: you have lost 15 years of your life. >> yes. i that is what people to respond to, it's hopefulness. charlie: what do you think attracted you to the show? >> doesn't matter? >> it is hopeless optimism. that is so well put, hopeless optimism. titus: yes. whatie: did you hear people said about what it was like to emerge after captivity? lle: -- ellie: yes. i think being sensitive to that and knowing it is the story of what happens after and after you emerge -- charlie: that is optimism right there. yes.: and i think it can be related to on a less dramatic scale for anyone. you don't want to treat something like that lightly, there's nothing light about it. charlie: what do your friends say about your character? they all try to figure out what version of them i am doing. they laughed. i think they are used to my shenanigans inside of our friendships, relationships, so -- charlie: have they seen versions of the character? tituss: they have seen versions of it. charlie: you do draw matt? tituss: of course. a lot of times it's family mem

happy to have you. >> charlie: thank you for having me. i >> harris: a lot of news to get to, shall we get to it? >> charlie: yes, indeed. >> harris: james fields made his appearance in court today. charges including second-degree murder after ramming his car into a group of counter protesters. heather heyer was killed, 19 others hurt. to go troopers were killed in a helicopter crash as they were assisting the response to the protest. meanwhile, the assistant justice department has -- matt finn live at the district court house the biggest news. >> right now james fields junior is locked up in a county jail, a short while ago he appeared to be a video. we have make a motion there, she says in the video he seemed to somber and was dressed in striped prison guard, responsive, the judge read out charges including second-degree murder, malicious wounding, and hit-and-run. saying that he could not support an attorney, but saying that he makes about $650 every other week at a security firm, so it was confirmed that he could not do an attorney. it w

charlie: nero? neera: i don't -- charlie: neera? neera: i don't disagree. party doesn't have enough -- it has been blocked out of a lot of state legislatures, particularly in the midwest. 36 governors races in 2018, the entire midwest is up. important states like florida, and i think the governor's races will be a critical test of what nots democrats have justified against trump, but to be an alternative. charlie: do you think there is time and we will now see as the democratic party struggles with its identity, program, and a strategy, that we will see a new generation come to bear? and will no longer be the people that have been in the leaders that --and the leadership positions like the clintons and others? neera: absolutely. it is early to talk about 2020, but i think there will be a range of people and their 40's and early 50's who are themselves to run and who are running. most importantly, for the governor's races, there will be a new generation of people running for those important seats. the ideas that get meted out on the economy and jobs in the g

charlie: you just said, i want to last nine months? charlie: yes, i had been fired enough. lie: do you know why he was successful this time? chris: -- charlie: was it the best extension of your talent? jon: yes. i did not necessarily know that at the time. but beyond that, cable is a different animal, especially during that time. it had a different level of pressures, and a different level of performance. you were able to use it as a laboratory in ways that you would not be able to do on a network. the network lives and dies by whereas cable lives and dies by the carriage. charlie: they have two revenue streams. jon: their goal was to throw things out there, and i knew that we had more time. i think maybe that allowed me a little more confidence to push it. and i had to push them as well, because it was not necessarily the direction they wanted to go in. charlie: but you were running the show too, you were there in the trenches. jon: i would not research to my -- i would not refer to myself -- [laughter] the number of digestive metaphors involved in the creation of "the dail

>> charlie: yeah. >> i don't know. i could make guesses based on how many followers their biggest leaders have but i think the most telling data point is a site called researcher is an alt-right site that crowd funds cause has been able to over and over again over $100,000 a night and i think that's significant. >> charlie: do you think the they feel the exposure will show them as unacceptable in america as people seemingly rejecting what the president has said. >> i think the value of what we did was shown yesterday when the president referred to the people in charlottesville who were protesting against the destruction of the statue as very fine people. you can't watch the episode we made and think these are very fine people. it's not possible. in that regard i think it will hurt them. the fact we're talking about this hurts them because it brings people back to their awareness that just because they live in a polite portion of society doesn't mean everyone has decided we should be a liberal democracy in which everyon

charlie: why does he do it? kurt: the thing iave always thought about donald trump -- charlie: he was a primary target when you were a young editor. kurt: a journalist and satirist at "spy magazine." charlie: you were 25? kurt: not 25, but not much older. charlie: you ripped apart donald trump, satirized him. kurt: we observed him closely. what always astounded me about him, and still does, was his thirst for, need for attention, the way you and i need water and air and food. literally like a drug addict needs drugs. the thing is, he's now getting more attention than anyone on earth perhaps has ever gotten. charlie: no doubt about it, the most famous person, maybe in history, in terms of more people know who he is than anybody else. kurt: and you and ion everyone we know were thinking about him. charlie: back to the youth thing. the 1960's were fueled by people like timothy leary, and some philosophers that were middle-aged, and musicians. but today, the youth are a smaller part of the antiestablishment. in brexit, they assumed t

charlie: i agree. you would expect that. th technology and time and different circumstances, clearly, there are new problems and ought to be new solutions. here's what interesting to me -- i interviewed president obama in germany and i said to hi we have the best economy, we have the best technology, we have the best universities. we ought to be able to own the 21st century. what could stop us? he said our politics. lots of people agree that washington is the problem. gridlock in terms of, on the one hand, john boehner, on the other hand barack obama. how do we deal with that? >> what we are up against is severe. people living in alternative universes in terms of media they consume. charlie: they only watch what th believe? >> and they don't see th these are huge. campaign finance. i will give you an optimistic take on this -- i don't see washington dramatically changing overnight given that combination of forces aryed against it. the policy innovation that has real-world impact that we are seeing at the state and local level

but i would love for him to do that. charlieu say he doesn't stand up because of his political ambition, or because he is at heart a racist? rev. sharpton: i don't know. i don't know the reason. i know the actual behavior. i don't want to psychoanalyze him. but i can say i know what i see. what i see whatever the motive, , the results are the same. charlie: jon, is this also simply the fact that after slavery we never healed all of the impact of slavery? jon: it's the american dilemma. there are two original sins in american life. there is native american removal and african-american slavery. slavery is wrapped up in the fabric of the country. read the constitution. when jefferson wrote that all men were created equal, he had a very narrow understanding of what the definition of "men" was. the story of the country, the beauty of the country, however tragic or bloody or slow, we have, in fact, tried to become a more perfect union. it is not a perfectible journey. it is not something we will achieve on this set of paradise, but we

charlie: i said to him, who hould i meet in china? >> somebody that was a lot like him. t he said about ping, he had iron in his soul. nd sent him off to the countryside and almost died. his sister committed suicide. he thought of getting out of this world and said i'm going to get my way to the top. i said who is he like? nelson a little bit like mandela. i said what? he said this is a man who is emotionally very secure and been through such trauma that is he perfectly determined to do what he is doing. charlie: and married to a general who happens to be a singer. >> absolutely. art esident trump at the of the show at mar-a-lago, the daughter of ivanka come out and he said, i want you to meet my granddaughter and she's five years old. she sang in mandarin the song called "jasmine" which is a signature song of ping's wife. charlie: do you think there will be war between the u.s. and china? >> over what period? charlie: between now and 2050? >> i would say the odds are much larger than anybody in washington imagine, much larger how large. not less than 25%. because i hope

guest: i did not. charlie: how did you two come together? ogether the 25 minute piece and dan seized this piece and calls me up the next day and basically says "what do you need to finish the movie?" and that began what has now been another three years between a conversation and us sitting here. charlie: how did you get involved? said: dan called me and you love biking. this is a guy that is trying to show the doping system does not work. it is really interesting. you should go watch the races and see how they go. when i went to europe and i saw how he did racing, what i realized was that this is really interesting, but the more interesting piece is how so many people had evaded doping for so long. it created this dynamic where brian said "let's go find out exactly how the russians are doing it." and that was super fascinating. charlie: when did you find out you had a massive program by the russians with accusations that president vladimir putin knew? >> it was kind of a slow burn and then a very fast burn. there was a period to november 2015

i am pleased to have him at this table. >> thanks for having me. charlieto know a little bit about your life is to see a remarkable series of progressions. what is the key to that success? jake: i think the single biggest thing is saying yes to opportunities when they come along. i always thought i would head home to minnesota and build a life and career there in law and politics. when i finished with justice breyer, i moved home, got engaged in the community, and amy klobuchar asked me to come out to d.c. to get her up and running in her first year as senator. the next opportunity came along to work for hillary clinton and prepare her for the debates in the 2008 primary. the next opportunity came along. each time, i said i'm going back home to minnesota. each time, i found a chance to serve. the result has been an extraordinary opportunity for me to learn and try to do some good things along the way. charlie: without modesty, tell me some things you think you brought to the table. jake: it is what the justices taught me. no matter how right you think you

before i can get a better understanding of the room, how many people are charlie kurt fans? oh, wow. and how many are hassan fans? probably equal. seems fair, i think. all right. politicon, are you ready for this debate? all right. well, i am thrilled to be with all of you. i'm the founder of the millennial action project, a bipartisan organization to keep the peace here today. to our left, the host from the young turks. >> [cheers and applause] founder andght, the executive director of turning point usa, charlie kurt. >> [cheers and applause] >> all right. we are to talk about free speech get into and before we that, we have a long line outside. i want to thank all of you for waiting. i want to give a shout out to the very first person in line, isabel. there she is. my first question is for charlie. censorship blocking free speech on campus today? charlie: without a doubt. and it is disproportionately and dad conservative way. againstoportionately conservatives. there is a disproportionate amount of people at the top targeting conservatives. blocking speakers they disagree w

charlie: i agree. you would expect that. with technology and time and different circumstances, clearly, there are new problems and ought to be new solutions. i interviewed president obama in germany and he said -- i said to him, we have the best economy, we have the best technology, we have the best universities. we ought to be able to own the 21st century. what could stop us? he said our politics. that is one thing he came to washington -- he came as president, believing he could do. believing that he could bring --artisanship -- bob gates the most difficult problem for america he said is not in any foreign land, it is three square miles between virginia and maryland. lots of people agree that washington is the problem. , on the oneterms of hand, john boehner, on the other hand barack obama. how do we deal with that? >> what we are up against is severe. people living in alternative universes in terms of media they consume. charlie: they only watch what they believe? >> and they don't see the same thing happening. if you only

ourselves, and sometimes it will be in disagreement with what you might want to hear from us. >> charlie: issed also in the healthcare bill, the failure to repeal and replace. >> yes. and his -- i mean, his frustration with that is enormous, as we've seen in the aftermath of it. you know, he's had a variety of things to say about it. but most consistently recently, you know, trying to get congress to come back and do something about it. and we've seen in a remarkable way members of congress basically say to the white house we will do the business we want to do. i mean, senator mcconnell has no desire to come back and deal with this issue at this point. you know, he tried and failed. he doesn't want to try and fail again. there's other important legislative business that will have to be done once they return from the recess. the debt ceiling being one, and getting a budget being another. those are two very significant things that have to be done. but the president eats away at this notion that congress should deal with healthcare. it's kind of -- you know, we use this word again, it's kind o

i don't know how it gets fixed. charlie dickerson, the moderator of face the nation, also the author of whistle stop. now in paperback. ♪ ♪ what should i watch? show me sports. it's so fluffy! look at that fluffy unicorn! he's so fluffy i'm gonna die! your voice is awesome. the x1 voice remote. xfinity. the future of awesome. ♪ charlie: jeremy grantham is here. he is chief investment the group he gtmo founded in 1978. they talk about numerous financial asset bubbles. he warned against the dot-com bubble and the financial crisis. his latest letter to the shareholders, he fell gain fast evaluating equity. he is encouraged by the supporting forces propelling writes, thisd time seems very different. i am pleased to have jeremy grantham back at this table. jeremy: nice to be here. charlie: why does this time seemed very, very different? jeremy: well, i am actually hard-pressed to find anything that isn't different. but to start with the basics, the price-to-earnings ratio at of the markets in the last 20 years has been 70% highe

charlie: i am ready.raham: you are about to stumble into a war that is going to be catastrophic for both of us. and afterwards just like in 1914, by 1918, they were are -- they were going to say, how dumb was this? let's look and see what we can do together to prevent this little pipsqueak from dragging you into a war. if they have those conversations, it would be painful because china would want us to do some things we would not want to do. and they would have to do things they do not want to do. it is clear they provide 95% of the oil for kim jong-un. they say if we were to cut it off, he might attack us. charlie: is he crazy and erratic? look at what he has done. graham: he's crazy like a fox. charlie: he believes nuclear weapons will give him power, not the power to attack, but the power to defend. graham: and to survive. charlie: he looks at qaddafi and people like that who gave up their nuclear capability and said, look at what happened to qaddafi. graham: i agree with you 100%. giving up nuclear we

[applause] .> i think charlie is great absolutely. you are very well spoken to you are doing something they believe is very important. largely, i do as well. i think there should be a representation of conservative ideas everywhere, not just college campuses. freervatives should feel to talk about their opinions. i agree with that. there are certain things that we not only disagree on from an ideological spam pint, we -- standpoint, we also disagree on the false golden seas. that at the end of the day, you are also an intelligent person and i'm happy that we got together. i'm glad that turning point usa sponsored this pound. it was awesome. always talk about having open and honest discourse, even though i trolled a little bit, i'll admit. good-humored. >> thanks, guys. i want to say thank you to our panelists. give them a big round of applause. [applause] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite c