kennedy: and joining me, charlie leduff welcome back. >> how is my hair, i used cocoa butter.nedy: it looks so -- you should market that sell ital over the world. charlie do you think you know what is wrong with the country better than donald trump does? >> how about i know what is going on. you know what is appealing about him. he is at least tapped into the discussion going to in regular america. however you think he is talking about it he has. every time we have an election we get talking points and promises, they don't get done, the media that lives in manhattan, and los angeles, people get it. nobody is really talking about what is going on out here. so really, hey, don, let me in the car, so i can tell you. kennedy: did you get in the car? >> no. i can't -- you know network 1 hook me up, no one will hook me up. kennedy: hook him up don. >> one thing that donald trump wants to do he has, sort of scaled back, his big dreams of building a fence on entire southern border of the nation, now he has down sized his wishes, would a border fence work? >> no, he has not down sized