the grandson charly. >> yes. >> charlie: spelled charly.rlie: and how he changes you is interesting, his impact on you or bettie. >> yes, absolutely, because children are very frank, and this little boy has a mother who's not always there, with a difficult life, so she's struggling a lot, the daughter. so i suppose the boy must have been alone quite often and is quite mature and he says what he has to say. he's very open. and she has to -- she doesn't know him too well because she didn't see her grandson very often and she has to discover this little boy, this little man, and to have to do what she promised her daughter, finally, to do, to bring him to his grandfather for the holidays. and all of a sudden, they don't know each other, and they have a very private independent masseyn the two of them and it's very complicated. >> charlie: we want to see some of this. let's see the third clip. [ >> i like that scene. i like the little boy. he's the son of the director. >> charlie: that's emmanuelle's son. >> yeah. >> charlie: and does he want t

honor to have you here charlie. >> charlie: thank you. you once said this about golf. it is deceptively simple, endlessly calculated, but child can play it well and a grown man can never master it. it's full of unexpected and perfect shots it is almost a science but yet it is a puzzle without an answer. it is gratifying and tantalizing. precise and unpredictable. it requires complete concentration and total relaxation. it satisfies the soul and frustrates the intellect. it is at the same time rewarding and maddening and it is without doubt the greatest game mankind has ever invented. that's well said, sir. >> well, thank you very much. that was a long time ago. >> charlie: when did you fall in love with this game? >> well, charlie, i got to start at the beginning i guess and it's right here about 200 years from where we're sitting. my father started on this golf course at latrobe when he was 1 6 years old. he was digging a ditch and they were building a golf course so i was raised right here. >> charlie: you were raised with golf. >> that

>> charlie: why?> that's the x factor. >> charlie: but you kept that, that thing about winning in you to this very day. you have it, you feel it about business. >> it's a drive. it's a thing that feels like when i go to bed at night i go to sleep. >> charlie: i never met a winner, and i mean it in that sense of the word, who didn't have a work ethic like you never seen before. i never had somebody come to sitted at my table and say i just have so much talent that naturally i won. they all say i wanted it more, i worked harder for it, i did more, i focused more. >> that's it, you got it. of course i talk to golfers, i talk to my grand sons, two of them about their games. and i tell them to develop a system. now they're young and if ey can devop that system, it's going to be the crutch that they need to be good. and stick with that system, make it work f them, but know what it is and know what you have to do to make it work. >> charlie: telle what a system is. >> it can be anything you do. it can be the

. >> charlie: u.s.pen. you and jack again. lf kings mbe selfish. do you think you have to be selfish. >> well, i don't think he's selfish and i don't think i am. >> charlie: what's this? >> those are my buddies. that's the blue angels. >> charlie: tell me about flying for you. it's a second passion. >> yes. you know, i started by being scared. when i was an amateur, i played a couple tournaments and i had to fly and got into weather and stuff and it scared me. i decided that will not work. i had to learn to fly. i had to find out what the airplanes, aeronautical engineering and what it was all. >> charlie: you fly now. >> i still have my license. the only thing that keeps me from flying is going to recurrent aining which he haven't done. if i wanted to fly again i had to go back. charlie: your license lapses if you don't go back. >> well, the airplane. >> charlie: did you fly all those famousets u had, the citation ten and the other jet >> i'm going to show them to you before we finish this tour. >> cha

>> charlie: welcome to the broadcast. tonight, penelope cruz and pedro almodovar. >> i was fascinated with him as an artist and with him as a person because of what he represented in our country. the first thing i remember1980'g movies i was not old enough to watch, but i was really fascinated by his way of seeing the world, and the time that i saw "tie me up, tie me down" i was 13 and i always tell this story, but it's true, that that was the day when i took a walk by myself after i watched the movie and i decided to look for an agent and try to become an actress so that i could one day meet him and work with him. >> a huge responsibility, but it seems you made a perfect choice to become an actress, because i think she was born to do that job. i saw her in the first movie. i saw a little piece there. i was very impressed by her way of acting. it was incredible how, being so young she had the inner strength, and also something that is very rare. everything sounds authentic, real. i called her agent and tell him i love her

the charlie. the founders went to philadelphia in the summer of 87, they didn't go to create an efficient government, it would have horrified them. they wanted a safe government. to which ends? they created a government full of blocking mechanisms, three branches of government, two branches of leglative branch veto, veto overrides, super majority. and yet i can think of nothing that the american people have wanted intensely and protractedly that they did not get. the system works. >> charlie: but is the system today broke. >> people say dysfunconal washington you can't do big things. under barack obama, he passed -- 18% of american economy. it's big and it got don they passed a $160 bill stimulus. >> charlie: when you say nationalization of healthcare people would stip forward and y no they didn't get what they wanted. those that wanted that didn't get that. in fact they ended up with something similar to what richard nixon and mitt romney and lots of other people were in favor of. that's clearly

>> charlie: yes. we would have to think about that. >> charlie: was there pressure on the part of the united states to urge you not to do it, not to give him a place to go when he was in moscow? >> well, vice president biden called me and we had a very friendly conversation. >> charlie: what was your conversation like? >> very nice. >> charlie: he said? he said he'ser are important to put snowden to face the american justice, et cetera. we understand all that, but they should understand, too, that we are a sovereign country and we make our own decisions. we should be clear. perhaps i don't agree. but the problem is not politics, the problem is justice. we examined during two months the request of asylum and we conclude that, yes, he was right. related to what? that there was no guarantee of due process. for this reason, we grant asylum. >> charlie: because you thought they were trying to extradite him to a system that was not due process? >> yes. remember some people from the united states were asking

>> charlie: you turn down crazy heart. >> yes, yes. >> charlie: not for me.me to you and said -- >> i tried hard really not to engage. i spent a lot of energy doing that. >> charlie: you tried hard not to engage. >> to find things wrong with it to say no because i know what it costs to say yes, what i means. >> charlie: to be away from your family sometimes. >> be away from your family and not able to dohat's right around the corner but you're not aware now. >> chaie: i might missn opportunity. >> and i've got a lot o things i been like doing. playing music. >> charlie: aking pictures, ceramics. >> yes, a bunch of stuff. >> charlie: itom a little late, creativity, the need to express yourself. >> i think so, yes. >> charlie: you're doing well. it's always great to see you. >> thank you. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

>> i say bad things. >> charlie: stop it. >> and many things. >> charlie: bad things? you said bad things to yourself? >> yeah, i say, martin you keep fighting. you are playing good and then you are close to the set and you miss the serve. how can this possible but when i lay down my head and the crowd start to turn for me and i feel everybody -- >> charlie: we all wanted to see it go all the way to five sets. >> it helped me a lot to keep trying. >> charlie: the forehands cross-court. >> my! >> charlie: were adds hard and fast as anything i've seen and i've seen a lot of tennis. is that your best shot? >> yes, i think so. it's my favorite shot and i use it at very important moments. it somtimes works. >> charlie: it sometimes doesn't? but it mostly did. >> i go into the court. >> charlie: what's your assessment of roger's game yesterday? well, roger plays -- he never changes his game and he has the game to beat me but yesterday i played very focussed. i tried to move him to the baseline and trying to play harder than him. the key to roger and nadal is to play unbeliev

>> charlie: welcome to our program. tonight we begin with bill bradley, former n nba all star, rhodes scholar, u.s. senator, presidential candidate who has written a new book called "we can all do better." it is about politics, economics, tax reform and american hope. >> can we all do better? the answer is yes. it's not just the politicians but it's us as individuals. can we find that place of self fulfillment within ourselves to honor. and we manage our health well. can we save? can we use over moment to try to become better in terms of learning more about the world we're in, whether that's reading novels or economic treatises. to me, that is what i wanted to try to convey here, that, you know, we can all do better. >> charlie: we continue this evening with eli broad. his book is called "the art of being unreasonable." it chronicles his career from businessman to cultural leader to philanthropist. i don't take no for an answer. i always ask why not when people say you can't do that. it hasn't been done before. i say wh

>> charlie: john hurt is here. 's an actor famous for his diverse and masterful performances on theatre and film and tackled everything to the harry potter movie and nominated twice for the elephant man and david lynch once called him the greatest actor in the world. here's a look at some of his grtest performances. >> help me. employee. >> no. >> employ me. >> no. >> i would be faithful. >> best thing to do is to get yourself out of here best way you can. but how? >> catch the midnight express. >> what's that? it's not a train. it's a prison word. escape. [ yelling ] >> i am not an animal. i am a human being. [ groaning ] >> oh, no. not again. i've had a long time to make enemies, doctor. government and business interests even religious leaders wod like to see me depart this earth. i'll grant them their wish soon enough. but before i do, i want to make a small contribution, a final gesture of good will to the peoplef this little planet that have given -- from whom i have taken. >> rember everyone i ever sold mr. p

>> charlie: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with a new play at the public theater called "the library" directed by steven soderbergh and written by scott burns. >> well, i wanted to do this one because it was so tied into conversations that scott and i had had over the years about our primal need for stories. this is how we make sense of everything. i mean, what i said to scott was, think of what most of your life consists of. something happens to you, you tell somebody about it. something happens to them, they tell you about it. that's most of your life. >> charlie: yes. and this was about the danger of putting the story in front of -- or placing the story, giving it a priority that's over the truth in an effort to heal or transcend or whatever. >> charlie: we continue this evening with tilda swinton, her new film is called "only lovers left alive." >> i was very grateful to have known the wonderful michael powell at the end of his life, and i once had a very meaningful moment with him when i had flown ov

>> charlie: yeah.is that i didn't get everybody around the table because, i think had that happened, the talking points probably would have ended up more like the first draft. >> charlie: and that would have been okay with you? >> that would have been better. it still would have been wrong in terms of the protest but better. al quaida would have been in there. >> charlie: have you talked to secretary clinton about this? >> no, never. >> charlie: the intelligence community seems to be a bit at odds with the senate committee on intelligence. the senate committee on intelligence decided today to release a report. >> mm-hmm. >> charlie: the report is about conduct of the cia following 9/11. >> mm-hmm. >> charlie: what can you tell us about that conduct? >> it's a great question. i think this is a really important issue. so i've read the senate intelligence committee's 6,300-page report and i've read the agency's 100-or-so-page rebuttal. they're still classified, so i can't talk about them, and i also made

pleasure to have you. >> thank you charlie. >> charlie: have a great weekend. >> you too. >> charlie: we'll be back. stay with us. >> charlie: with wimbledon around the corner we conclude this evening with a conversation about tennis with patrick mcenroe. his new book is called hard core confidential. we talked about the people who played the game and the game itself. welcome. >> good to see you. >> charlie: hard core confidential. when you put the word confidential in there. >> it kind of says -- >> charlie: what is this? >> well it was more all my years in tennis which started at three years old picking up a racket and playing against the wall in queens new york and then going in to playing junior tennis in college at stanford and the pro tour and making it somewhat as a player, obviously being the brother of john and seeing all that he went through, getting into broadcasting which i've been in now for over ten years. becoming the davis cup captain. now more of an administrative role in running this whole program for u.s. tennis. i think i've seen the game in a lot of different ways

charlie: all right. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> charlie: sting is here.singer, song writer and music legend in a career that has spanned over 40 years he's never stopped evolving. once part of the rock band the police he's also achieved great success as a solo performer. a member of the rock and roll hall of fame. he's won 17 grammies. he sayshis simply makes him tired to talk b i'm glad to welcome sting back to this table. how are you. >> i'm very well. >> charlie: what do you know about your sging ass a song writer. >> what do i know about my singing. i think the idea is to create a unique signature, like a fingerprint with your voice so when you sing on the radio whether people like your voice or not or like what you do, they recognize who you are and that's really what the x factor is. you don't sound like other people you sound exactly like yourself. if you do that, you have to have some kind of information message to you, to your history to the way you think, to your education, to your philosophy. that doesn't happen immediately. >> charlie: what el

>> charlie: yeah. teams. >> charlie: not one person? wouldn't say one person. >> charlie: it's how they -- it's how they do it. it's the strategies set forth. >> charlie: but, i mean, it's not -- you know, who, for example kobe -- >> you know, believe it or not, in this league, no one can guard anyone one-on-one. >> charlie: especially you or kobe or lebron. >> anybody. >> charlie: the guy with the ball can get past one person. >> absolutely, without a doubt. >> charlie: you grew up in red hook for the first eight, nine years of your life. >> right. >> charlie: what was red hook like? >> it was tough. it was red hook, brooklyn, new york, back in the '80s and the early '90s. just for me to be able to grow up there and have that experience, you know, as a little kid -- you know, i was seeing things i wasn't supposed to see as a youngster and it helped me out to this day. >> charlie: knowing you didn't want to go there? >> knowing the route i didn't want to take. even as a kid, six, seven, eight years old. but you didn't really have no iss

to have you here. >> thanks charlie. >> charlie: thank you. a pleasure. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org funding for charlie rose was provided by the following: additional funding provided by these funders:

and part of the reason -- >> charlie: she's 80? >> 80 years old. >> charlie: tough? >> more than tough she's quality. >> charlie: she said what? >> he didn't exactly like the fact i was defending iron mike but i watched what happened to him and how badly he was represented by an attorney in washington charging him $300 million from an attorney and i watched the way he did it and i heard about a girl that late in the evening knocked on his door was taken in. i don't know. i think he with you badly represented but i did see that number one she knocks late in the night and two she's dancing at a beauty contest at 8:00 in the morning and i saw the tape and she's dancing happily in the morning and now mike tyson is in jail three and four years. i had a real problem with don king and the lawyer. >> charlie: but it was determined he raped her regardless of why she came there. >> i don't know that it happened and i think as they said, if he didn't testify he would have been exonerated. he was arrogant. he was a horrible witness and i would say generally speaking you don't pu

>> charlie: welcome to the broadcast. tonight lee kuan yew talks about the new global order. >> to hold it down you must not let your physical deficits and your dollar come to grief. if it comes to grief in the short term and there's a run on the dollar for whatever reason because of deficits are too big and the financial community and the bankers and all the hedge funds and everybody come to a conclusion that you're not going tackle these deficits and they begin to move their assets out, that's real trouble. >> charlie: lee kuan yew for the hour next. funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following: captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: lee kuan yew is here as singapore's founding father and served for prime minister for 30 years until 1990 and now serves as minister mentor to his son at age 86 he is regarded as an elder statesman whose views are wildly sought and in the states in new york and ben bernanke and will receive an honor fro

charlie. >> charlie: our interest was peaked by a piece by the new yorker magazine. a profile with a interesting photograph of you called "the secret keeper, jules kroll and the world of corporate intelligence." what would you now be doing in terms of this credit agency business. >> okay. well, for many years there have been numerous instruments, corporate instruments, products labeled triple-a. we have learned triple-a doesn't mean triple-a. what i try do during my career is identify public policy problems susceptible to a private sector. so we're setting u a institutional investor owned rating system where we're doing things differently than the current credit rating agencies have been doing. for example we will conduct due dilligence as we have for years in the financial world. and we're going to do things in a way that looks under the hood and make sure we understand what is under the hood. >> charlie: what is your core excellence? >> we're basically fact finders. that's what the business

charlie: with your partner. >> with my partner, yes. charlie: why this? >> i really didn't want it to get into a situation to go to broadway producers and get myself into the sort of situation that i have to play this, if by any chance, it's a success, at least public success, that you have to really work until the audience will sort of fade out, you know. i've been there and i wanted to kind of, first of all, control the -- you know, the rehearsal process a little bit, and decide how many weeks here and there, in which countries i can perform, and have something to say. >> charlie: "in paris" is based on a short story by a russian -- >> that's right. he was a great writer, who lived in the '30s, '40s, beginning of '50s in paris after the civil war. in russia he was a -- >> charlie: and won a nobel prize. >> the first russian writer who received the pre-nobel in the early '30s, i think. >> charlie: this is adapted from the short story? >> adapted from the short story. the short title "in paris." it's the story of a sort of old general -- my age general --

. >> charlie: and you're leaving. >> i am. >> charlie: why? because i think that -- you know, especially as i tell you these tales of us over the past nine years -- i've had an incredible journey, and i think that someone else deserves the chance to have the experiences that i've had. >> charlie: and the person succeeding you is a long-time veteran of the obama team. >> she is an old obama person. she and i became friends when i sat at that desk out there. she was our down-state director in illinois. >> charlie: did he have any hint this was coming when you walked in and said, i'm gonna leave? >> i think so. i mean, when you get ready to leave the white house, you don't go in one day and just say, i'm leaving. >> charlie: you don't do that, do you? >> you don't do that. so i had sort of previewed several months prior that i thought my time was coming. >> charlie: he knew what that meant. >> mm-hmm. >> charlie: did he try to talk you out of it? >> of course. of course. but he knew. he newel yeah. >> sometimes it's just -- i think that he knew t

>> charlie: : welcome to our program. tonight joe nocera and bethany maclaine lay out the narrative of how we got to the economic crisis we just went through. >> much of what goldman did in getting out and understanding they had a problem and earlier than anybody else and kind of getting out so they were whole i think they did a lot of things they should be ashamed of. >> charlie: well, list them. >> primarily this is a firm who's first core principle is our clients come first. our clients' interest come first. guess what, they took full advantage of their clients to shove lousy securities down their throats and basically did not tell them what they thought of the securities and they did so knowing knowing they're whole goal was to reduce their exposure to risk and lay it off on their own clients. do i think that's wrong morally wrong, yes i do. >> i think it was ethically wrong of wall street to buy up mortgages, package them up and sell them off to investors saying they were doing due diligence saying they were investig

>> charlie: welcome to the program. tonight, we explore the ideas in the mind of nathan myhrvold with nathan myhrvold. >> for inventions, there isn't people who fund them, there isn't an infrastructure of treat them as being valuable. inventions are like the stepchild in cinderella that isn't treated well even though ultimately it's a source of enormous value. >> charlie: done by lonely men and women in garages, it used to be. >> absolutely. when you say "inventor" to most people, they get an idea either of thomas edison or the crazy guy in the "back to the future" movies. that's what you think of as inventor. for inventors to make progress, they need funding, they need support, they need business expertise to advise them on what to do, and by and large those things are lacking. so what our company does is we say "we would like to make a business of investing in invention" so we do support inventors to have their crazy idea. sometimes those inventors are professors at universities, sometimes big and small, sometimes the

about charlie.is act together. >> only charlie tan wasn't at all okay. it snowed that night, a muffling blanket covering the home where something awful was about to happen. . >> coming up. why did charlie need to rush home? the first clue coming from a friend's mom who called 911. >> he didn't give us the last details. i'm just worried that he might do something at his house. >> charlie's mom makes a 911 call of her own. >> did you say you heard a shot? does somebody in the house have a gun? >> when dateline extra continues. >>> welcome back to "dateline" extra. i'm tamryn hall. charlie tan was studying among the academic elite at a prestigious american university, and by all accounts, he belonged. he was bright, athletic and made friends easily. but when it came to his family, he played it close to the vest, so when his name was linked to violence in his hometown, it took the campus and his friends by surprise. here again is dennis murphy with "house of secrets." >> when charlie tan left cornell an

charlie: what will you miss? his style? amy: his smile. charlie: his playlist? amy: his playlist is a little weird. it's a little thing. it's not what important. charlie: no, but it's interesting. amy: it's not like he can do no wrong. but it was all over the place. charlie: what was worst on the playlist? i have it right here. amy: do you? do they edit this? charlie: they don't edit. amy: did they edit on cbs the other day? charlie: which joke? amy: when you said, "how long?" we were talking about my relationship with ben. charlie: i said how long? i meant -- amy: i know it you meant. but you said, how long? and i said, umm -- charlie: i don't know if they edited it out but we won't. you play off of words. words, meaning, and you have associations. and you know what funny. amy: i think so. i made you laugh. charlie: everybody at the table laughed more than me. and to watch you take it to that place. and the timing was stunning. it was like -- amy: i just stretched out that moment. charlie: it is what it is. that is the gene you have. but back to hillary for a s

> charlie: yes. did you enjoy it? was it somethingou wanted to do? >> the play or just theatre in general. >> charlie: both. >> the may i thought was extraordinary and it' very diffult to find female roles like the ones in that particular piece. and so the director's a man calledan who has his production jerusalem is on brdway at the moment an i loved s work so ieally wanted to work with him. yes, i did one theatre production the year before which was my first, and just it was so interesting and you can learn such a lot from it that i thought i really want to do it again. >> charlie: one of the hallmarks reading about you is the idea of learning and growing. >> mm-mm. i think expansion and trying to get better and growth is very important. >> charlie: your favorite growth and expansion. >> it would be a big shame if you stopped doing the same thing. >> charlie: so how do you grow by the people associated th. >> absolutely, looking out. the people you meet, the experiences you v i think it's one of th

>> charlie: j.j. abrams is here and written and direct and produced some of the most successful television shows and films in recent memory. [♪] >> i can't believe it. i' officially become a cheater. i am a cheater. i cheated on ben and now the paper. >> fine, don't get caught this time. >> it's getting published. >> a ten people that read the uny journal. >> i don't need any of that. >> how far are they coming. >> are you listening to me? the only way you're going to get what you want is to -- you don't think i'll do it. where is it? where the hell is it? >> look at me. stay with me. >> i swear to god i'm going kill you. [ screaming ] >> you're under arrest. >> nice work. >> thank you. >> charlie: perhaps the best job of his life came as a teenager at 15 he and a friend were hired to cut togetherst eve spielberg's 30 llimeter movie and noth're collaborating for real. the film "super 8" is produced by steven spielberg and here's the film's trailer. >> i have nothing against your friends. i like your f

charlie: how many? keith lockhart: 650,000. charlie: for fireworks and music. tchaikovsky's "1812 overture" a july 4 occasion. keith lockhart: it is our fault. it dates back to the mid-1970's. arthur fiedler was talking to david, the producer of the event, and david asked, what is that piece with the cannons and the bells? fiedler said, that's the 1812 overture. he said, that should be a july 4 thing. now people who do not have a sense of humor go, it is a russian piece written about a victory over the french. charlie: are there other orchestras like the boston pops in other countries? keith lockhart: elements of. and certainly, the boston pops like so many things in america are based on european models. on the summer concerts and biergartens of germany. and the prom in london. i think the mix of things we do is probably unique among orchestras in the world. charlie: you have said that part of your job is to protect the tradition of live music. keith lockhart: i think, these days, pretty much every performing artist, part of their job is to protect tradition an

i can't answer. >> charlie: a boy can try. >> it is amusing. >> charlie: it is amusing. here is another take at this. were you influenced by decisions that facebook had made? >> i can't talk about this, charlie. >> charlie: but i don't understand why you can't talk about it. >> you can't talk about all kinds of things largely because -- for the same reason that every person you go on a date with, you don't bring them home to your parents right away. >> charlie: that's a perfect answer. that's all i'm looking for. it's great to have you here. thank you for joining -- >> thank you for having me. >> charlie: groupon is a great story. >> it's great to be part of it. thanks for having me. >> charlie: cleopatra was worshiped as a goddess, as a child, and she became a queen at 18. at the height of her power, she held the fate of the western world in her hands. 2,000 years after her death, her myth and mystery continue to captivate the world's imagination. now pulitzer prize-winning author stacy schiff has written a new biography of the last queen of egypt called "cleopatra, a l

welcome, sir. >> thank you, charlie. >> charlie: tell me about it. >> charlie, it is -- to me, it grows of my childhood in kansas where those santa fe trains came through there. the silver streak -- shump, they would never stop at the little town that i lived in but they were -- you and i have talked about this but those trains were the way you were going to go to school, the way you were going to go to war, the way you were going to run away, the way you were going to go find your destiny, you were eventually going to get on one of those trains and was inbred in me as part of my d.n.a., and buses were the same way -- it was just the way. you knew eventually you were going to get on one of those things and go, and that's been with me all this time, and three or four years ago i started thinking a little more about the super chief in particular, the train of the stars, movie stars went there, and they would go from los angeles to chicago, and it was all sleeping cars. fred harvey service. heavy china. heavy silver ware. fresh food. they would stop in newton, kansas to get fresh bread and

charlie: hello, makeup?raig's he said who do you think you are that you can waltz in here out of film school and make a film about our cartoon department? >> the caption contest was her entrÉe in. what happened is, over the years, i think she got to know the new yorker and new yorker cartoonists as well as anybody. >> the cast of characters is kind of interesting. charlie: made for a documentary. >> yes, all of these different spirits, intelligences, and radically different personalities. charlie: and looks. >> we are not about looks here at the new yorker. [laughter] there is a senior generation that has been around for a while, and then this younger cast, that bob and i have been working really hard to bring in, because it's a very hard thing to rotate who is there. you only get a few shots a week. everybody wants to be in, naturally. this new cast of cartoonists, some have been around for a while. some have just waltzed in. it is astonishing. >> why, why? >> just keep watching the movie. charlie: did you

charlie: oh god.laughter] sally: you start locking out inks, and that is a very important part of taking pictures, the ability to isolate what you are concentrating on. sometimes when i read a book it will be describing a scene and i will see it in my mind. i will see it as a black and white photograph. it should be darker. softer. the river should be dark, that the trees -- usually all the time. charlie: back to technique. sally: oh gosh. [laughter] charlie: i heard the reason why you like photography is because of the dark room. because that is the place where you and your boyfriend could get together. sally: sort of a euphemism. [laughter] there was that. no question about that. charlie: you took your first intimate photographs there. sally: i did. of course, i immediately got in trouble for it. i got in trouble for everything. i was a little minx. i was a bad girl. but the pictures the pictures got me in trouble. for one, i was innocent. it was a completely innocent picture, but it involved nudity

>> charlie: welcome to our program. tonight two interesting views on our changing world both economically and politically. first, jim o'neill of goldman sachs in london talks about emerging nations and the impact they're having. >> i don't think we should call these big emerging places emerging economies anymore. >> charlie: we should call them developed economies. >> i think we should call them, i don't know what -- sometimes feels like this is how it must have been in the californian gold rush. we're living through a special era. people often look back and say well that was a period of big change. i know that we're living through a really privileged person in that sense, we're living through this change and you can see it. all these places emerging in a traditional sense kind of nuts. >> charlie: we conclude with lionel barber the editor of the financial times just returned from china and talks about china as well as europe. >> we need to preserve at the top a global perspective to knit that world together, to connect

>> yes. >> charlie: you worked for rothschild. >> for about 25 years. >> charlie: then what happened? what did you see that made you go in a different direction? >> well, at rothschild i had been running originally the restructuring advisory practice on the global base. in 1997 also started a fund to invest in bankrupt companies, between '97 and 2000 had both responsibilities, finally concluded, i and actually my whole team liked the investing better than the advisory. so went to the management of rothschild and said, i don't want to do this any more. i'd like to buy the fund from you and then we'll go out of the business. we won't compete with you for advisory assignments. that's the deal that we worked out. so on april fool's day, 2000, went in to business for myself. >> charlie: then you started when to start buying, looking at the steel business say, there's opportunity here? >> late 2001. we had actually looked at steel before, i haddon the first ltv bankruptcy have a dozen years before -- >> charlie: this is lane tempo -- >> exactly. had been a big conglomerate had sold off the

know, charlie. >> charlie: how will you decide. >> i don't know, i don't know how decide. >> charlie: you just wake up one morning. >> something happens and it clinics and that's it. >> charlie: once you make the choice you pretty much stick to it. >> yes. >> charlie: you don't go back and say -- >> yes. i was writing down pennsylvania avenue, early morning rush hour. and i was driving alone and i got to sheridan circle. >> charlie: tell me the story, this is wderful. >> and everything stalled at the circle and i was looking over there wondering how many people have any idea who that was. and what a shame. they go around this circle every day thousands of people twi a day. and then gershwin's rhapsody in blue began make on the car radio and i thought oh, i adore gershwin and it was releasing me from the frustration of awe knownst of traffic jam and changing my thoughts up to a point. and i thought hers gershwin just as alive for me now and just as powerful, just as transporting with his gift. and for everybody else, it's as if he were still alive. he is still alive in his musi >> char