but when the russians felt that chechnya has been pass filed and they're having problems and so on and so forth. as long as those problems are there, they're going to, you know -- i guess i have talked more than i should have. and i apologize for that. but i hope, you know, there was something useful in it. >> thank you. very much. of course, we will have some questions very short hee. i would like to call on dr. murray to speak. she is an associate professor of strategic studies at john hopkins university. please. >> i'd like to begin by apologizing for my early departure, as well. like matt, i need to teach immediately afterward, so we're actually going to be departing together, matt. and i would also like to apologize, because i feel that i'm going to throw some rhetorical bombs here and then run out the door before everybody can sort of get back at me. but i'm not leaving because i'm avoiding the discussion, because i think this is an important discussion. i'm going to have some very strong views, though, and i think especially the person to my left is going to disagree profoundly

basically is why do you say operation first it was traditionally in chechnya and some other parts of around moscow and now they're focusing on what we know from the jihadi international networks based in north africa and somalia and yemen and of course in the back against them pakistan area would be the chairman of the website is that they are in support of that network now do we have evidence that all these goes this is a big strikes we don't but what we know is that if you're right you know jihadi networks around the region is hosting this training is even funding some of the activities of these you know terrorist in russia right right so how are they financing their. supporting these groups. well first of all this kind of operation the wonder we witnessed the dramatic one doesn't need really outside funding while the jihad you know works have inside. the pentagon which here at the armory is enough to build two car bombs and blast them the bigger funding basically used to smuggle weapons and grew by information that funding comes from a variety of networks and most likely in the pa

you know quite a fiery language when we see our brothers and sisters fighting in chechnya iraq palestine kashmir afghanistan then we know where the example lies but you see his blood defeating the armies of israel we know what the solution is and where the victory lies you know it is incumbent upon us to all of us to support the jihad of their problems and sisters in these countries where they are facing a version by the west. that i saw that video and to me it looks like a fiery muslim preaching jihad. why did you say this sort of bombing this comes in the context of. the israelis having bombed qana and in the cold masses of civilians this is in two thousand and six now i want you have to understand is that you know as far as muslims are concerned at the moment you know they are under attack in countries you know all over the world oh you know hundreds and thousands of people dying and i think to be our concept of just you know at least in its current iteration is that you know as muslims we have the right to defend ourselves you know there is no no point of saying that you know these p

so the people of chechnya were incapable of getting rid of them. the people in afghanistan were incapable of getting rid of them, even though they hated their guts. they had to have outside actors. does that mean the united states has to be physically itself involved? no. that is in fact not the obvious policy implication of what i'm saying. in fact, iraq should have told us that our presence there in some ways created more problems than it created help. our prolonged presence in afghanistan might have created more problems than it helped to resolve. i'm not making an argument for some sort of boots on the ground, u.s. must be physically involved in all of these places. >> but there is another thing that we will forget about at our peril and that is throughout the 1980s and 90s, we saw salafi islam as an antidote. we thought they were not going to be revolutionary. we thought they were just praying and wearing beards and so on and so forth and now they have metastasized. we have to look at the conflict. you can't start -- the other thing, it's a pi

to congress and the administration about the connections between those you harm the networks in chechnya dagestan on the one hand and those present in north africa and in the middle number two because the evidence we're getting from captured individuals in afghanistan for example or other places where by they do admit to be and have worked with the caucuses based your highness on the one hand and what you see on the website at this information is available for all these reasons together at the state decided to put them on the international routes which is a good thing because they're supported from between russia and united states we do not see eye to eye on many things but at least on that one it's in the interest of everybody that great powers come together against terrorists. you know with our team and still ahead all deter camps for a new generation syrian rebels begin training what they you one recognizes as a former terrorist camp in kosovo we will give just one it is what they plan to learn there in just about five minutes also. japan prepares to flick of the switch on its final a

coming both to congress and good nutrition about the connections between those you harvey networks in chechnya dagestan on the one hand and those present in north africa and in the middle east and i would go because the evidence we're getting from captured individuals in afghanistan for example places where by the do it needs to be have worked with the caucus base to harness on the one hand and with what we see on the web site this information is available for all these reasons together this is the site and forget if you want to get to the bits which is a good thing because at the point of between russia and united states we do not see eye to eye on many things but at least on that one it's in the interest of everybody that great powers come together against terrorists. this is our to coming up old terror camps for a new generation syrian rebels to be training a woman you and recognize this is a form of terrorism. we'll look at just what it is and what they're planning to learn there about five minutes or so of the program. also to power the purpose of the off switch on its final atomic reacto

to congress and the administration about the connections between those you hire the networks in chechnya dagestan on the one hand and those present in north africa and in the middle east number two because the evidence we're getting from captured individuals in afghanistan for example or other places whereby they do admitted they have worked with the caucus based your highness on the one hand and with what you see on the website that this information is available for all these reasons together they understand decided to put them on the international routes which is a good thing because they're supported from approach not between russia and united states we do not see eye to eye on many things but at least on that one it's in the interest of everybody that great powers come together against terrorists. now in egypt thousands are descending on central cairo again protesting against the country's military rulers as take a look at these live pictures from the egyptian capital as you can see a huge mass of people mass their protests take place regularly in the country each friday as the first

both to congress and the administration about the connections between those you hardly networks in chechnya dagestan on the one hand and those present in north africa and in the middle number two because the evidence we're getting from captured individuals in afghanistan for example or other places where by they do admit to be have worked with the caucus based your heart is on the one hand and what you see on the website that this information is available for all these reasons that gather the united states decided to put them on the international routes which is a good thing because they're supporting broad brush marks between russia and united states we do not see eye to eye on many things but at least on that one it's in the interest of everybody that great powers come together against terrorists let's move on now the rhetoric from washington towards iran is again being run top just ahead of this second round of high level international talks on the country's nuclear program u.s. military top brass claim they would need just three weeks to defeat iran's armed forces and he's going to coun

fundamentalist salafist you'll have you have in russia you have experienced similar acts of violence in chechnya it's the same school of thought of. this city an army has not been built brought up and trained to slaughter people with knives and machete as well mr collins you ronaldinho. for give me for butting in like this but as you rightly mansion their ethnic context is quite complex one fact the british ambassador to the u.n. says there is now a third element of this here in conflict which are radicals including jihad is as you mentioned earlier now who's behind this force and what are its aims. as you know marina twenty six libyans to new germs judeans and some citizens of other countries have been killed in action in syria in what they call the jihad what we called some terrorist acts against syrian civilians the syrian army and syrian security forces trust me all those who have been butchered in the explosive. incidents in the two explosions. because you simply are muslims certainly. druzes christians catholic protestant baptists whatever you call it from all sects from all religions thos

the -- the related chechnya was kind of a war but also a terrorism card. that's what made him present and the mysterious apartment bombings in late '89 and the attacks and we remember what will effect it had then, a chilling effect and mass hysteria and he came to power on that wave. a couple years ago when there was a terrorist attack in the. moscow metro underneath the fsb building, and if you remember the reaction then was what is this? he's been there ten years. he's taken away basically all the rights and freedoms in return for quote stability and security. and these guys are blowing up metro station hundred yards from the fsb building? so the occurrence was the same. the reaction was diametrically different. it doesn't work anymore. so if you're asking can he do it? sure he can. another war, c

so the people of chechnya were incapable of by themselves kicking out these guys. you had to have an outside actor in. and the people of afghanistan were incapable of getting rid of the taliban, even though they hated their guts. they had to have outside actors to help them. and i see the same thing in somalia and yemen. outside actors are the only ones who are able to do something. now, does that means the united states has to be physically itself involved? no. that is, in fact, not the obvious policy implication of what i'm saying. in fact, that -- iraq should have told us that our presence there in some ways created more problems than it created help. our prolonged presence in afghanistan might have created more problems than it helped to solve. so i'm not making an argument for, you know, some sort of boots on the ground, u.s. must be physically involved in all of these places. >> but there is another thing that we will forget about at our peril. and that is that throughout the 1 1980s and '90s, we saw salafi islam as an antidote to the so-called revolution to

coming both to congress and good nutrition about the connections between those you hard networks in chechnya dagestan on one hand and those present in north africa and in the middle number two because the evidence we're getting from captured individuals in afghanistan for example places whereby they do admit to be have worked with the caucus based you harness on the one hand and with what we see on the web site this information is available for all these reasons together this is the standard for the international routes which is a good thing because that's the point of progress mom between russia and united states we do not see eye to eye on many things but at least on that one it's in the interest of everybody great powers come together to get terrorists you're watching are to live from moscow still ahead the lawyers lining up to protect an online pirate ship dotcoms mega upload felt the full force of america's copyright crusade but legal experts say the moves against the site's owner a deeply flawed and suspicious just a bit later we explain why. germany's foreign minister has labeled iran

when the he did georgia, medvedev did georgia, it was not at all the same reaction as in '9 with chechnya. many people actually saying and this is and many people are still saying this today it was the best gift to the separatists and the russia north caucuses to recognize the separatist entities. you set the precedent yourself. how can you say anything. did you it yourself? there you go. if you remember all the main opposition leaders in 2008 said they were reverse that decision. they will not be recognizing those separatist entities because it's against long-term rush yourian interests, as well. he can try to do it but it doesn't work anymore with the terrorism cart. he lost that card. putin is the same but the country is very different. society is very different. whatever he did in 1999 and 2000, just look at this operation successner 2007 it worked perfectly. nobody said anything when he pointed at medvedev and said this guy will be president. in 2011, when he tried to do the same, he had tens of thousands of people on streets within weeks. he the old tricks are not going to work anym

both to congress and a good restriction about the connections between those you hardly networks in chechnya dagestan the one hand and those present in north africa and in the middle east number two because the evidence we're getting from captured individuals in afghanistan for example the places where by the do it need to be have worked with the caucus to harness on the one hand and with what we see on the web site this information is available for all these reasons together this is the side of the international bits which is a good thing because they're supported progress between russia and united states we do not see eye to eye on many things but at least on that one it's in the interest of everybody great powers come together to give terrorists this is our team from moscow coming up old terra cams for a new generation syrian rebels begin training at what the u.s. recognizes is a former terrorist campaign costs of we look at just what it is and what they plan to learn there in about five minutes time also kim dot com is mike upload felt the full force of america's copyright crusade but le

that everybody has a right to defend themselves but what about this difference as an example in chechnya this attack on the school of course three hundred seventy people died i mean it is there are all sorts of military problems in church near the of course and i would use a target very would say. church and terrorist very were defending. in the meadow i mean. is that type of defense. is not something that i i i agree with myself i don't think islam is clean it's the right way of going about doing things. i don't live in those circumstances i conned islamic leaders for eventually make a statement about anything because i'm not a muslim scholar you know i have disagreements with you know the way the uses its tactics around the world i don't think it's productive in terms of what it's trying to what what the end goal is trying to achieve. at the same time the general concept and this is what i was talking about in that speech is a you know people have a right to defend themselves and they should not be denied that right simply because you know america believes that it holds moral authority

the people of chechnya were incapable of kicking of these guys. you have to have -- had to have an outside after. the people of afghanistan were incapable of getting rid of the al qaeda even though they hated their beds. you had to have outside actors. al qaeda actors were the only ones who could do something. does that mean that the u.s. has to be involved? that is not the obvious policy implication of what i am saying. iraq should have told us that our presence there created more problems than it helped. our presence may have created more problems than a help to solve. i am not making an argument for some sort of loose on the ground, u.s. must be physically involved in these places. >> there is another thing that we will forget at our peril. that is throughout the 1980's and 1990's, we saw salafi islam as an antidote. they're not going to be revolutionary. we thought there were praying and wearing beards and so on. they have metastasized into this thing. this was linked to regional rivalries. we have to look at the country. it cannot start -- [u

there was an informant in forming against the president of chechnya. we waited until they got their family members out of chechnya and out of russia. a lot of times, you have to look to your conscience, not just that your -- at your scoop. >> yes, sir. >> i'm the former editor of the austin american statesman. you talk about battle coverage very appropriately. my question is more toward the broad, overarching story of what this means, how and why of the story. it seems to me that you do that much more, summing up the pathway of a nation and its battle. cultural shifts, strategic issues that are pretty hard to pin down. you are doing that story amid chaos. you only have one or two or three sets of ties rather than vast platoons of reporters or photographers. your resources can be good sources, but they can be bad, too. how different is it coming up with the howl and why story -- how and why story? when do you know that you have it? when you come to grips with that? >> when you talk about the pathway of the nation, do you talk about the nation's in which

>> the republic of chechnya. they are going to have it referendum about -- they are going to have a referendum about nato. the president said a few days ago we will have a referendum. >> i will leave the internal politics of bosnia to the people of bosnia. >> yes, sir? >> washington lawyer and occasional academic. the united states has articulate a pivot toward asia. i wondered if we thought about the implications for nato with respect to signing or encouraging nato to take more responsibility in the european theater. >> i know what it means to be an occasional academic. i feel your pain. the pivot -- if you want to use that word, which has resonated around. this was not a thing that -- a pivot away from europe. it was a pivot from a decade of war. for us, europe remains our partner of choice. it remains the place where economic, military, and political weight of that coalition is larger than in any other part of the world. we need them with us to deal with the global challenges we face. we are spending more time

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it also fears an uprising in syria as much as it did in chechnya, with a that is a pretext for genuinecult to say. the russians -- because they are in the syrian regime and the only ones arming them with weapons they need, they could cut that supply or a threat to cut the supply of the regime does not come to the table. similarly, the west and syria a threat to cut off -- the west and saudia that threaten to cut off aid to the upon the >> the u.s. is blaming iran for what is going on in syria. >> i think iran complained the u.s. for what is going on in the sense most of the outside powers turned against the regime not because of human-rights violations that the u.s. tolerated for years when the cia used to render suspects to there, but they do not like the regime because of his relationship with iran. >> charles glass, a former abc news chief, middle east correspondent, spent 10 days in syria. [captioning made possible by democracy now!]

the -- the related card, no, chechnya was kind of a w5r, but, no, but that's what made him president in 1999. you remember late 1999 and the attacks, and remember what an effect it was, a chilling effect and came to power in that way. a couple years ago when there was a terrorist attack in moscow metro underneath the fsb building, and if you remember the reaction then, what is this? you know, been there ten years, basically all the rights and freedoms in return for poor state -- stability and security and these guys blow up stations 100 yards from the fsb building the occurrence was the same. the reaction was different. it doesn't work anymore so if, you know, you're asking can he do it? sure he can. another war? of course he can. he can do it tomorrow, but it's not going -- well, late 2008 when he went to georgia, it was -- he was not held with the same reactions of 1999 with chechnya. people said this is -- many people still saying this today -- it was the best gift to the separatists and western north caucuses to recognize the separate entities. it was the best gift -- you said th

the issue has not finished yet, but when the russians said that chechnya had been pacified and they are having more problems elsewhere, as long as those problems are there, they will continue to produce. i think i have spoken more than i should have and i apologize for that. [laughter] thank you. [applause] >> of course, we will have some questions very shortly. at the johnsr o hopkins university. >> i would like to begin by apologizing for my early departure. i need to teach immediately afterwards. we will be departing together, matt. i also want to apologize because i feel that i will throw some rhetorical bombs here and then run up the door before everybody can get back at me. [laughter] but i am not leaving because i am avoiding the discussion, because i think this is an important discussion. i will have some very strong views and the person to my left will disagree profoundly with me. if i am not able to stay here for the entire discussion, please forgive me. let me begin by saying that i agree that the death of osama bin laden is extremely important. this is the founder, chief, ra