cheney: i apologize. [laughter] [laughter] barbara: the question i asked, which none of you heard because you were all laughing -- do you see risk in that? it is all -- you are two of the men who know, more than anybody, who has stepped foot inside washington, it is all about risk. sec. cheney: and you do have to be careful. there was a time when i made a mistake. i had been secretary for about a week, or 10 days. back in 1989. i was asked by a reporter how i felt about mr. gorbachev. and i said nice things about him, but then i went on to say i thought ultimately he would fail and be replaced by a regime a lot more like the old soviet leadership than gorbachev had. one of the first calls i got was from my friend jim baker at the state department. [laughter] sec. cheney: he said i was out of my mind. i learned my lesson. i was right, but i was a few years ahead of time. [laughter] barbara: so let's talk about the russians. sec. panetta: he would've tweeted about that today. sec. cheney: where is my twitte

secretary cheney has given me permission to call him secretary cheney. he promised me he did not mind. that is how i know him. the vice president was the first defense secretary i ever covered. secretary panetta was the first one i ever had to sit and take out when he moved to italian in his soundbite when he was upset about something. [laughter] barbara: i really cannot put that on tv. never really sure what he was saying. [laughter] i do not really think we need to go through introductions, if you do not know who they are, you are probably in the wrong place. [laughter] but i am going to start with a couple of anecdotes. i am taking the prerogative of the chair. we have everybody up there, too. hi. one of the things about defense secretaries, when you cover the pentagon and all 17.5 miles of core doors in the pentagon, you keep an eye out because you never know when they will leave their office and go walking around. both of these gentlemen have a long history of doing that. secretary gates, secretary hagel also. secretary rumsfeld showed up in the caf

cheney: i apologize.hter] [laughter] barbara: the question i asked, which none of you heard because you were all laughing -- do you see risk in that? it is all -- you are two of the men who know, more than anybody, who has stepped foot inside washington, it is all about risk. sec. cheney: and you do have to be careful. there was a time when i made a mistake. i had been secretary for about a week, or 10 days. back in 1989. i was asked by a reporter how i felt about mr. gorbachev. and i said nice things about him, but then i went on to say i thought ultimately he would fail and be replaced by a regime a lot more like the old soviet leadership than gorbachev had. one of the first calls i got was from my friend jim baker at the state department. [laughter] sec. cheney: he said i was out of my mind. i learned my lesson. i was right, but i was a few years ahead of time. [laughter] barbara: so let's talk about the russians. sec. panetta: he would've tweeted about that today. sec. cheney: where is my twitter? [la

cheney: certainly. if the president of the united i wouldsked for guys, be happy to advise barack obama. but he never asked me. [laughter] [applause] so again, language and words. [laughter] see, the man never says anything casual. [laughter] sec. cheney: i think you do need to be careful. but he will learn as he goes along. i think he is putting -- bringing some good people with him. i am a big fan of my pants. i'm you might well from his 12 years in the house. i think he is a great choice as vice president and will play a major role. is taking. trump seriously the job he has now. staffing up the administration. the reasonsof people get so concerned about the tweets is his way around the press. he does not have to rely upon -- [laughter] [applause] rely upon the modern era, modern technology. he's at the point where we don't need you guys anymore. [laughter] sec. cheney: i apologize. [laughter] barbara: the question i asked, which none of you heard because you are all laughing -- do you see risk in tha

why does he have the love of cheney, the hawk? >> i hope he doesn't get a friendship award from dick cheney. that might be a problem. but i'm keeping an open mind on tillerson. i can't to know what his world view is more than what he has traveled or who he knows. i think it may be overblown. he has made deals in many, many countries. i don't know that this means he is skiing and fishing with putin. they got some award. let's hear a little bit about what his world view is. does he believe in intervention a nauseam in the middle east. does he believe in regime change. nation pulding. some things i have been encouraged about donald trump we haven't agreed on some things but i've been encouraged that he thinks that regime change in the middle east hasn't made us safer or more secure cure than he hasn't been for nation building regime change and i honestly believe he learned the lesson that iraq war didn't help us a. >> a country. >> i know who hasn't learned his lesson because of who he is essentially is john bolton. won't quit. his d

host: we're talking with kyle cheney of politico. and?about chris cooper he claims he is more that will -- as he saw from the web video it will take 37 republican electors to flip in order to deny donald trump the presidency. guest: it seems highly unlikely to approach the number. we see no evidence. chris hails from a state where there is no law that buys him to support that i would be -- support the nominee. other republicans in states that do have those laws harder to convince them to flip. host: we are looking at what happening in springfield, illinois. curious what's going through the mind of these electors as they prepare to do their constitutional duty a couple of minutes in illinois, starting the process on december 19. we will see how many of these democrats heated the call to say let's support a republican alternative. all four new hampshire democrats supported hillary clinton and it seems that a lot of things are falling into place as they traditionally would have despite all the noise and action around this vote today. host: k

that's dick cheney. i'm joined now by senator rand paul of kentucky, a member of the foreign relations committee. thank god you're on that committee. let me ask you, what does dick cheney push this guy for? he's an oil guy with halliburton. now he's pushing a fellow oil guy. do the neocons have their arms around tillerson already? why does he got the love of cheney, the hawk? >> i hope he didn't get a friendship award from dick cheney. i'm keeping an open mind on tillerson. i want to know what his world view is, and i think it may be overblown. he's made deals in many countries. some award -- i don't know that this mean he's skiing and fishing with putin, some award. so let's hear at least a little bit about what his world view is. does he believe in intervention ad nauseam in the middle east? does he believe in regime change? nation building? you know, some of the things that i've been encouraged about donald trump, we haven't agreed on some things, but i have been encouraged that he thinks that regime

and bush 43 between rumsfeld and cheney. what is your sense given your experience with all of that? how to ensure that it does not end up dysfunctional? thes it in the nature of personalities rather than in the structure of things that you are going to have these kinds of tensions? can bee anything that thatto avoid the battles we have seen in the past? >> yes, there is. first, let me talk about the nsc staff issues for a second. -- is theaff issues staff to large, yes. it is because it is extremely large and they are holding constant meetings because they don't know better. but it is not a democratic /republican phenomenon. there were 50 professionals with the bush staff. martin: was it too small? phillip: not too small. when franklin roosevelt won world war ii the largest establishment the country has seen in running 50% of the united states economy to boot, they did that with nine white house staffers. this was not because roosevelt was disengaged. aboutells you something what you are doing is important. an eisenhower system that was totally different, but highly functional. the

. >> wednesday night cheney and -- dick cheney and leon panetta about defense under donald trump. challenges are very great and we have unfortunately over the course of the last many years done serious damage to our capabilities to meet those threats. >> we're living in that period where there are a lot of flashpoints. a new administration has to look at that kind of world and to to deal with that. but then, develop the defense policy to confront that kind of world. >> a look at the career of vice president mike pence. >> admits to the shifting sand we have stood without apology for the sanctity of life, the importance of marriage, and the freedom of religion. farewell speeches attributed to several outgoing senators including harry reid, barbara boxer, kelly ayotte, and dan coats. this week in prime time on c-span. >> this weekend on american artifacts we tour an exhibit called amending america on the ratification of the bill of rights. here is a preview. >> my name is jennifer johnson and i am a curator with the national archives museum. >> i am christine black, a public outreac

no, it was dick cheney. mike morales said they never told cheney, that he ran with that himself. they dismissed the idea that russia was involved in the hacking, something the entire intelligence agency concludes. in fact, here's donald trump. >> i think it's ridiculous. i think it's just another excuse. i don't believe it. i don't know why, and i think -- they talked about all sorts of things. every week it's another excuse. you look at the story and you take a look at what they said, there is great confusion. nobody really knows. and hacking is very interesting. once they hack, if you don't catch them in the act, you're not going to catch them. they have no idea if it's russia or china or somebody. it could be somebody sitting in a bed someplace. they have no idea of this. >> why would the cia put out the story that the russians wanted you to iraq? >> personally it could be russia. i don't think it is. but who knows. they don't know and i don't know. >> the top republican in the senate, mitch mcconnell, was asked to do an investigation of russia's hacking. here he is. >> obviou

. >> tonight on c-span, former defense secretary's dick cheney .nd leon panetta and a computer crime investigator talking about your digital footprint and how personal data is collected on the internet. presidentialgan library in california, dick cheney and leon panetta talked about donald trump's defense policies and his choice of general mattis to head the pentagon. this is one hour, 15 minutes.

the key to cheney's rise is his rise to defense secretary. but as for timing and goals, he wasn't first choice. >> with john towers defeat today, who is next for defense secretary? who does president bush nominate now? lots of speculation tonight, but no announcement. the vote against tower went about as expected. 53 against, 47 for. 3 democrats for tower, one republican against him. it was a historic moment. only the ninth time in history that a president's cabinet choice had been rejected by the u.s. senate. >> john tower was president george h.w. bush's pick for the pentagon. he was defeated. it was the ninth time in history, first since 1969 when the senate rejected president eisenhower's nominee for the commerce department. only after the senate blocked john tower did the door open and the timing become ripe for dick cheney. after the senate flexed its muscles in stopping tower, it found no issue with dick cheney at all. he was confirmed 92-0. now are there any other dick cheneys in the house circling the trump transition? well, that of

mike morrell said they never told cheney that, that he ran with that himself. yesterday, here's donald trump. >> i think it's ridiculous. i think it's just another excuse. i don't believe it. i don't know why. and i think it's just -- you know, they talked about all sorts of things. every week, it's another excuse. if you look at the story and take a look at what they said, there's great confusion. nobody really knows. and it's very interesting. once they hack, if you don't catch them in the act, you're not gong to catch them. they have no idea if it's russia or china or somebody. it could be somebody sitting in a bed someplace. they have no idea. >> so why would the cia put out the story that the russians wanted you to run? >> i'm not sure they put it out. the i think the democrats are putting it out, because they suffered one of the greatest defeats in the history of politics in this country. personally, it could be russia. i don't really think it is. but who knows? i don't know. >> there are bipartisan calls including from the top republican in the u.s. sena

. >> wednesday night, dick cheney and leon panetta on the future of the defense department under president elect donald trump. >> i think the challenges are very great and i think over the course of the last many years we have done serious damage to our capabilities to be able to meet those threats. >> there are a lot of flashpoints. the new administration will have to look at that kind of world and obviously defined policy that we need in order to do with that. then develop defense policy to confront that kind of war. thehursday, a look at career of vice president-elect mike pence. we have stood without a policy for the sanctity of life, the importance of marriage, and the freedom of religion. >> on friday night beginning at 8:00, farewell speeches attributed to several outgoing senators. this week on prime time from c-span. >> american history tv is in scottsdale, arizona. the city of scottsdale is surrounded by the sonoran desert, approximately 100,000 square miles. >> a lot of people think of winfield scott as a fiery preacher, but what people don't know is he was a fierce warrior in t

he worked for dick cheney, and he worked on taiwan. and he beavered away with really a concept that there was no such thing as the people's republic of china. well there is. and this shouldn't have been done. and whether it was steve yates trying to organize this. there should have been someone in the transition, perhaps the national security advisor, say wait a minute let's think this through. and clearly there is just too much on the side of winging it and this deinstitutionalization that is going on. that why ask the state department? why ask the national security council staff? why not just go ahead because it feels right? and this is not going to be the last of these kind of things. things need to get cleaned up and cleaned up in a hurry in washington. >> ambassador hill, thank you for joining us tonight. joining me now our panel. >> ben you just heard ambassador hill this is a real break with policy. trump is winging it. does trump know what he's doing? >> this may be the most calm i've ever been on your show. one this is not win

we can-- - now you can say it. - yeah you can say it so i might have to start writing about dick cheney again. because all that's changed policy. - speaking of old is new right? (laughing) yeah that would be a good column actually. - yeah and then, so he has that and then he, you know, it's this merger of politics and social media and reality tv. so, reality tv, so it's like he's the kim kardashian of politics. you know there was a story the other day that kim kardashian went on a vacation, a four day vacation in mexico and took 8,000 selfies. and so, in a way, running for president is the new selfie. - it's the ultimate selfie right? - and we're selfie nation and he's using the press as a selfie stick. (laughter) - wow. that was a very good series of things wasn't it? that was actually excellent. so, the assumption here, going into this election was that it was hillary clinton's race to lose. she seems to be doing a pretty good job of it. - well, you know, often i look at her and i feel sorry for her cause it's sort of in 2008 she comes in and she thinks it's gonna be a carnation. and

when he was working for vice president cheney, his sort of portfolio was taiwan. and he merrily went ahead on things with taiwan without too much regard for china. he was very much of an advocate for these arms sales to taiwan. but those arms sales are kind of laid out in the original taiwan relations act which is one of the twin, you know, founding documents of the u.s.-china relationship. we have one china policy, that is all official. contacts must be with mainland china. but we have something called the taiwan relations act that includes the idea that we help taiwan defend itself. that's where these weapons sales come from. the chinese don't like them but they've accepted them over the decades. >> for people who think maybe this isn't a bad idea, putting china a little on edge about what the future holds, and maybe things will be different, and maybe they need to be different in their relations with the u.s. >> well, i think it's the thing if you want to make news, you ought to know you're going to make news. and it shouldn't be inadvertent. if you're going to

tomorrow night in prime time, former vice president dick cheney and former defense garment secretary talk about the future of the pentagon in the trump administration. on the futureeo of artificial intelligence and cognitive computing. a discussion on how personal data is collected and used by marketers, government, insurance companies, and employers. that is wednesday starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern. here is a preview with leon panetta. period reminded of the just before world war i when there were a number of flashpoints in the world at that time related to some of the same -- the same challenges that we are facing now -- terrorism, failed states, territorial's disputes -- territorial disputes, and fragile alliances. and actually, failed leadership. the inability to deal with those challenges. anyone of those things -- failure to deal with those created the result of world war i. we are living in that period where there are a lot of flashpoints. the new administration is going to have to look at that kind of world and obviously defined policy that we need in order to deal with that.

and that is that vice president cheney had no higher political ambitions. and the relationship he he therefore had with the president was i think unfreighted by that natural tension that occurs between other presidents and vice presidents. and vice president pence i think clearly is someone who potentially has a political future in elective politics. that will introduce some tensions. i also think that, you know, i have very high regard for vice president-elect pence. of all the statements by any of the three candidates, he was the most articulate, the most compelling when discussing syria and russia. in the second is presidential debate, it didn't take too long before the president-elect disowned him and threw him under the bus in terms of positions. so i think there is potentially some danger here in that i would say, martin, to your earlier point on disruption if i could, this i know is sort of heresy. i personally was not troubled that much by the phone call from the president. i think it's fine. >> the taiwanese president. >> i think it's fine to throw

. >> dick cheney and leon panetta on the future of defense department under president-elect donald trump. >> i think the challenges are very great and i think, unfortunately, over the course of the last many years done serious damage to our capabilities to be able to meet those threats. >> we're living in that period there are a lot of flash points. and a new administration is going to have to look at that kind of world. and obviously define policy that we need in order to deal with that. but then develop the defense policy to confront that kind of world. >> a look at the career of vice president mike pence. >> amidst the shifting sands of contemporary culture and law we have stood without apology for the sanctity of life, the importance of marriage, and the freedom of religion. >> on friday night beginning at 8:00 fair well speeches and tributes to several outgoing senators including harry reid, barbara boxer, kelly ayotte, and dan coats. this week in primetime on c-span. >> representive eelect spoke with c-span for a house freshman interview. elected to represent washington's seventh c

. -- vicer president president dick cheney on the future of the defense department under donald trump think the challenges are very great. i think we have unfortunately over the course of the last many years done serious damage to her capabilities -- our capabilities. >> there are a lot of flashpoints. the new administration is going to have to look at that kind of policy --a fine defined policy we need to deal with that. policyelop the defense to confront that world. >> thursday, a look at the career of vice president-elect mike pence. apologyve stood without for the sanctity of life, the importance of marriage, and the freedom of religion. night, farewell speeches and tributes to several outgoing senators, including harry reid, barbara boxer, kelly ayotte. this week in primetime on c-span. ♪ , decemberay

all of them are saying not only is this an excellent choice, cheney is calling him an inspired choice. it's important to add, though, that bob gates and con ledoleez rice are paid consultants for exxon. >>> we want to go to that press conference in oakland updating folks to the investigation in california that killed 36. >> for the district attorney's office investigation. although atf is no longer on the scene, we would like to let the families and friends of the victims know that our thoughts are with them. at this time i would like to turn the podium over to fire chief reed. >> good morning, everyone. i would like to start off by acknowledging the remarkable work that was done by oakland fire department personnel. their time on scene during those four days was very taxing physically and mentally. i just want to thank them personally for the contributions they have made in regards to this tragic incident. the work they performed was spectacular, because it was a very difficult event. i want to thank the atf for their participation and support throughout this incident. for providing

. >> after 28 years behind bars for murder, steven cheney walks free. >> our justice system is needlessly cruel. or is it? what is justice? that's my show tonight. recently there has been plenty of injustice. in louisiana police respond to a call saying a man threatened someone with a gun. when the cops found their suspect the cell phone video shows them subject dog him. once he's on the ground, one officer takes out his gun and shoots him. >> we won't show that part here. then the very next day in minnesota, police pulled over a black man. at the cop's request he reached for his license and when he did, the officer shot him. his fiance live streamed what hack the next. >> we got pulled over for a busts taillight. he killed my boyfriend. e's licensed to carry. he was trying to get out his i.d. and wallet out of his pocket. and he let the officer know that he was -- he had a firearm an was reaching for his wallet and the officer just shot him in his arm. we are waiting -- i will, sir, no worry. john: the man died. two days later at the black lives matter rally in dallas a man killed five o

kennedy: there is no media in it. >> cheney saying trump doesn't need the press. the press is not meant to work for the president it tops work for the people it doesn't matter if trump needs the press, the people need the press. kennedy: presidents and up haipght the press. >> who cares if the president hates the press. kennedy: it's a universal phenomenon. hillary said the press was dead set against her. her spokes people are saying if it wasn't for the press hack job she would be president. >> the passive publicity they are given by news press and entertainment and fashion press. it's across the board. she is our new first lady. i find it unpatriotic that he won't dress our first lady. >> trump uses the press more than anybody. he needs the press. 90% of his twitter account is reacting to things that is said. kennedy: he needs the press and the press needs him. they can just react to the tweets and not have to do any real work. kennedy: the party panel returns a little later. we'll tell you what reportedly set off a gunman in our nation's capital. nancy pelosi s

band also cheney 101. friends of bill should know he is a walking talking buckley legacy project is knowledge about bill in his belief in his last importance and relevance and how we need to realize a immense power for good reside in the buckley legacy is second to none. it has been a delight to work with him and i congratulate james not only for the excellent book he assembled bottles of for his own smart to perot's providing context in which all of his collected remembrances are set in "a torch kept lit" and on that note, ladies and gentlemen,. [applause] >> thanks jack for that kind introduction and also helping to put together this event i enormously honored to be here with the most distinguished writers and thinkers in america today. james, i want to ask you what on earth led a perfectly healthy person to become so obsessed with bill buckley and this project in particular? >> first of all, my thanks to all my friends at national review and "national review" institute and for hosting this event. i feel

including two of my predecessors former secretary of defense dick cheney, and leon panetta. as well as so many dedicated public servants like chairman max or barry. in the congressional congressional delegation here today, current colleagues like my deputy bob work. our chairman of the gene chiefs of staff joe dunford. and many others who contribute to our defense enterprise such as lockheed martin ce, all part of the team. america. thanks all for your continued support for servicemembers and their families. and for all your own contributions to our national security. each of you knows well that america's defense is so vital that to we whom it is entrusted must ensure its excellence across the years and across the domains for conflict, not just in air, sea, sea, land but also in space, cyberspace. from strategic error to presidential administration, cross our government and across parties. ensuring that continuity is important at a time of change of administration. i'm proud of the way the men and women conducted themselves during the last presidential campaign. standing apa

of supportng a lot from condoleezza rice and dick cheney. there are a lot of concerns about his business ties to , his close relationship to vladimir putin and the areian government, and we even hearing republicans like john mccain and marco rubio and lindsey graham who have said they have serious concerns. we expect to hear more about his foreign-policy experience during his senate confirmation hearing. those hearings will be in credibly tough because democrats and republicans will ask very tough questions. -- honor to him by the kremlin. an interesting thing for the secretary of state to have received. that a foregone conclusion he will be nominated? will he need some democrats that may be are not lining up for him right now? toluse: well, it would be hard to expect democrats to support picks,sident-elect's given his ties to russia and all of the troubles concerning russian meddling in the election. i think republicans are saying they will give him a chance, a chance to explain what his foreign-policy would be, a chance to explain whether

dick cheney said trump request transcend the media. he doesn't need these guys anymore. for example, does cnn really deserve a seat after being caught colluding with the clinton campaign? does nbc deserve a seat in the white house press office and dealing with the press secretary when we know they have an institutional bias or is it time top throw them all out and start over? >> well, those are two different questions. let me say first of all about taiwan. this was a deliberate well thought out specific signal. he accepted a phone call from the freely elected head of a democracy of 23 million people. and frankly, if it's okay for president obama to go down and hang out with the castro dictatorship, it ought to be okay for donald trump to talk to a democracy and he's sending a tough signal to beijing. this ain't the old order, we're not going to let you push us around, setting the stage for important genegotiations. in terms of the white house press auchs, it ought to be the american people's press office. we ought to use things like facebook, like twitter, a variety of o

. >> wednesday night former vice dick cheney and former defense secretary leon panetta on the feature of the defense department. >> i think the challenges are very great. we have come unfortunately, over the course of the last many years done serious damage to our capabilities. >> we are living in that period of many flashpoints. a new administration will have to look at that kind of world. obviously, define policy that we need in order to deal with that. then, developed the defense policy to confront that kind of world. >> thursday, a look at the career of vice president-elect mike pence. >> amidst the shifting sands of contemporary culture we have stood without apology for the sanctity of life, the importance of marriage, and the freedom of religion. >> on friday night beginning at 8:00 am a farewell speeches and should be to to several outgoing senators including harry reid, barbara boxer, kelly ayotte, and dan coats. next week in prime time on c-span. >> next week is authors week on c-span for the beginning sunday, december 18 jd vance on his book elegy."ly talk charley murray to

cheney said," if you're not careful, you could end up shooting yourself in the face -- or foot. [ laughter ] shooting your friend in the -- shooting your friend's foot. shooting yourself -- in the foot. sorry, what'd i say? >> jimmy: i'm going to leave now. i just heard that last night, vice president-elect mike pence attended the new york jets game at met life stadium, where the jets lost 41-10. pence heard so much booing, he thought he was seeing "hamilton" again. [ laughter and applause ] to celebrate the standing rock, sioux tribe's victory against the dakota access pipeline, josh brolin posted a nude photo of himself standing on top of a a rock. [ light laughter ] in response, the sioux tribe said, "we're opposed to that pipeline too." so would you just -- [ laughter and applause ] >> steve: ho! hey! >> jimmy: this is kind of crazy. i saw a that a private company called "moon express" says it wants to start offering trips to the moon for under $10,000 a ticket. most people were like, "yeah, i'm not sure i want to book the cheapest option for my trip to outer space." [ appla

trump and his team are relying on cheney to help ensure that tillerson is confirmed. and that's not all. condoleezza rise is also pushing hard for tillerson. they made money from oil as exxonmobil is a client of their consulting firm. and that's far from the only through line. remember the bush era push to privatize social security? it might be back very soon if trump's new pick for budget director gets his way. that is next. >>> during the presidential campaign, donald trump promised massive tax cuts to the rich, a trillion dollar infrastructure program and an explosion in defense spending which would increase the federal deficit. yet over the weekend, trump said his pick for budget director was mickey mulvaney, who is willing to push the country into default in order to reduce spending. >> the national mood now is such that people recognize we can't keep spending this money that we don't have. we need to get back to fiscal basics and spend what we've got. >> by the way, that burning your money graphic was aces. he was elected in 2010 as the tea party wave and rebell

announcer: wednesday night, dick cheney and allele -- leon panetta on the defense department under donaldrump. >> i think the challenges are very great. over the course of many years, we have done serious damage to our capabilities to bed to meet the threats. living in that period, a lotto flashpoints. a new administration will have to look at that kind of world and obviously the fine policies that -- the fine policies that we need. and then develop the defense policy to the front that kind of world. announcer: thursday, the career of vice president elect to mike pence. culture and the law, we have stood without apology for the sanctity of life , the importance of marriage and the freedom of religion. night,er: on friday farewell speeches introduced to several outgoing senators, including harry reid, barbara boxer, kelly ayotte. next week in prime time on c-span. >> next on american history tv, we hear from two silver star recipients from the vietnam war and the korean war. the silver star is the third highest military combat decoration that can be awarded to a member of the u.s. armed fo

bush came in with a lot of assets and divested them and same with dick cheney with halliburton. that is not public in any way. halliburton was a public enemy and you can see where the stocks went. >> we're had shadowy stuff with lbj. >> that's totally true and lbj had a lot. nothing of this scope and nothing that is singular to the definition of the person at hand. here's what i think happens. it's hard to get the notions of the conflicts, but if a crisis happens and it is then later revealed ex-post facto in the midst he had business interest there, people will care. we don't know what's around the corner. if we get into china with the desire for a land deal. >> i'm trying to figure out how people filter this. he ran for president he is not releasing his tax returns. never been done and poking holes in the rationals for why he wanted to do that and gets elected anyway. the message was almost some people viewed it as drain the swamp and i will clean it up. other people thought i will play as dirty as they play. >> one of the things that is important. like dividing the trump vote

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dick cheney praising tillerson. does that give you any pause? these were two of the biggest defenders of the iraq war now supporting tillerson. >> we'll have to wait and see. i definitely will ask. the one person come up for secretary i know i'm opposed to john bolton. tillerson, i don't know yet. so i will ask those questions. and think for donald trump's sake he should want to pick with someone who actually agrees with him and has the world view. >> you have also been very critical of vladimir putin, senator. you wrote the president, russia's president should be isolated for his actions. you wrote this in time. you continued to conclude with let me be clear. if i were president i wouldn't let vladimir putin get away with it. rex tillerson is very close to the russian president. they did a major deal together. marco rubio came out and tweeted being a friend of vladimir is not an tribute i'm hoping for from secretary of state. john mccain came out even stronger than that. here he is. >> anybody who's a friend of vladimir putin must disregard the

former national counsel to the romney and bush/cheney campaigns. what's unfolding today and this sort of push by democrats, you know, trying obviously to get electors to flip? when has this happened in history? has it? >> it hasn't to quite the same extent. i think part of the coverage of all of this is due to the changed media environment. the different ways to communicate since this last happened. if you want to put some perspective on it, the 2000 election was obviously much closer. it had only been decided in mid december. and when the electors gathered in 2000, there was much more reason for contention. there was a much smaller margin of error for electors to go in a different direction. make-up of the house of representatives was different and yet, still, the electoral college mostly because the electors are chosen by party organizations really went along with what the electoral college vote was on election day. >> in the spirit of a changed election and high drama, in the last hour, i actually spoke with chris suprin, who said he's not going

rice, hadley, baker, gates, cheney. they want to see verification. tiller is able to talk about issues that don't fall under the purr perview. >> trump's defiance on the intelligence committee is almost letting -- that's where lindsey graham and can dig in their heels. >> trump's friendliness towards russia is one of the few things he was rock solid on. >> he didn't hide it. >> and it never changed. this is real and heart felt and goes deep for donald trump. as you were pointing out, this is much more about will it be a referendum for the republicans who believed that vladimir putin was a bad guy and we are seeing so many of the voters suddenly change their tune. >> you can think he's a bad guy, he had a relationship with him. >> i also remember the republican criticism with barack obama and he was trying to have better relationships. it failed. >> it probably probably will fail for donald trump. >> to go back to the founding fathers, we hear about hamilton, the play. we talked about something important. the influence of foreign countries in this cou

a pat on the back from dick cheney, former vice president, of course. saying mr. tillerson that he has known them for many years both as chairman of ceo e xon can be he likes him. trish: we are that close. 68 points away. we shall see. neil: all righty. trish: donald trump making it official. ceo rex tillerson secretary of state but some democrats and republicans objecting now to ties to russia. are we going to head for a confirmation fight? it is very clear this president values business expertise over government expertise and some people don't like it. all of this right now, the dow, s&p and nasdaq all hit record highs today. we are within sight right now of dow 20k, we are staying on 20k watch. i ach trish -- i am trish regan. markets are moving higher. look at that. really within striking distance right now of 20k. you're looking at oil there which is also higher, getting ready to close out the day. all of this as the president elect taps former texas governor reck perry to be energy secretary and carly fiorina director of intelligence. donald trump says he's

so, tillerson has the support of dick cheney, vmi donald trump. that only leaves on person. >> excellent. [ laughter ] >> seth: it's unanimous. and now it's unanimous. former texas governor rick perry has been named donald trump's pick for secretary of energy. and i have to say he is the most qualified candidate from that particular season of "dancing with the stars." [ laughter and applause ] he's got a lot of energy. many of the small businesses surrounding trump tower in manhattan have reportedly seen a huge decrease in sales due to the heightened security. and none of hit harder than eric and donald jr.'s lemonade stand. [ laughter ] "there's no traffic anymore. there's no foot traffic." "i know, you need foot traffic to sell lemonade." "you're telling me eric." "you're telling me donald jr." [ light laughter ] rudy guiliani said today that he had too much going on to accept a cabinet appointment from donald trump. added guiliani, "these pigeons aren't going to yell at themselves." [ laughter and applause ] and finally, google is reportedly en