and some real strong reaction from capitol hill including proposals on saverageses, one by liz cheney the conference schare for republicans. what else might we see on this issue and why is it a big issue? >> it's a really big issue because it's one of the rare issues that actually has split republican leaders from the president mitch mcconnell has been very critical of this move. you mentioned liz cheney, a member of the house republican leadership and the other top steve scalise and kevin mccarthy are backing the sanctions bill. so it's going to divide republicans who are torn between supporting their president and they just didn't like this move of leaving syria and abandonning the kurds. so you're going to see -- potentially see votes next week and beyond that would admonish the white house for making this move. that's going to be a tough vote for some republicans. >> it seems that the president see that is the withdrawal is a political winner for him. >> that's right. he has made the case that the . untry is very war weary, he repeatedly mentioned we need to stop the endless wars.

you mentioned liz cheney, member of the house republican leadership. and the other top two above her, steve scalise from louisiana and kevin mccarthy are backing the sanctions bill. so it is going to divide republicans who are torn between supporting their president, and they just didn't like this move of leaving syria and abandoning the kurds. so you are potentially going to see votes next weekend beyond that would admonish the white house for making this move. and that is going to be a tough vote for some republicans, no doubt about it. seems the president seems the withdrawal -- sees the withdrawal as a political winner for him. bob: that's right. he has made the case that the entry is very war weary. at his rally last night, he repeatedly mentioned we have to stop the endless wars. that triggered some applause. it's interesting because some republicans will support him here, and i think some democrats will also support him if they are post -- if they are forced to vote on it. but a vast majority of democrats and republicans don't support this move.

there has been pushback, noticeably from liz cheney. that sound. >> we're talking about decorated veterans who have served this nation who have put their lives on the line. and it is shameful to question their patriotism, their love of this nation, and we should not be involved in that process. >> we should point out senators roy blunt and john thune also pushing back on this. basically saying absolutely not. no reason to criticize this guy. i mean, just talk to us as a veteran at this point. when you hear these kinds of attacks, and when you hear the subsequent pushback, what is your thinking? >> first of all, it's a rare moment when seth moulton agrees with liz cheney, but she's absolutely right on this. you know, when i served in iraq, it was the officers who actually had the courage to speak truth to power, to step out of line when their bosses told them to do something wrong. they were the most patriotic americans i served with because that's what takes courage. to speak truth to power, to stand up for the constitution when your bo

>> i'm glad liz cheney did. he's just appalled and can't believe it. public hearings probably really soon within a week and a half and we'll see bill taylor, i would imagine, testify. we will see colonel vindman testify. leaving aside the details, i think with zero chance those people are not telling the truth. they are honorable people and they're telling the truth as they recollected and they have goth good recollection and close experience. i'm happy to be on their side. they didn't volunteer. what you think of donald trump or something, but the hacks attacking them, hack is too kind of a word. the republicans keep complaining on this process, we want to call

>> i'm glad liz cheney did. that's my friend that wrote that eloquent lament. he's been a reagan republican all of his adult life. but i do think we'll have public hearings, probably beginning pretty soon, i would think, in maybe a week or a week and a half. we will see bill taylor, i would imagine, testify. we will see colonel vindman i would think testify. and i'm leaving aside almost the details. i think there's zero chance that those people are not telling the truth. they're honorable people. they're telling the truth as they recollect it, and they have good recollection and close experience. i'm happy to be on their side if i can put it that way. we're not on sides here. they're telling the truth. they didn't volunteer for this as a political effort or as a broader effort of what you think of donald trump. and the hacks attacking them, i wouldn't want to be on their side.

if he gets permission from cheney, then he goes back and asks cheney repeatedly, again and again for permission to turn down the hijacked airliners. he wants to be clear there is no ambiguity on either the vice president or the end of the pentagon about what their orders are. finally the vice president gets angry at him and says, yes, i, i already told you. shoot down the hijacked airlines. that order end up getting transmitted. rushed into the sky that day. the part of this improvised response, we were prepared. we were not planning, we did not have any plans or procedures for an attack that came within our borders. at andrews air force base outside d.c., heather, penny and mark are the two fighter pilots scrambled into the air. both of of their planes without any weapons at all, they understand as they are racing out to their planes on the tarmac that they are being sent out on a, causey mission. if they encounter a hijacked airliner, the one weapon that they have is their own fighter jet. they understand that if they are successful that day, neither one of them will return to base

you see liz cheney saying, watch it. >> i also want to say something about what's been going on over the course of the last several hours and last night, which i think is shamable. that is questioning the patriotism, questioning the word of someone like corporal vindman who will be coming today and others who have testified. i think we need to show we're better than that as a nation. it's shameful to question their patriotism, their love of this nation and we should not be involved in that process. >> when you're at a crossroads, you have to make a choice. this is a crossroads day, when you get testimony from an insider who has firsthand knowledge of what happened. you can question him if you want, you can question his recollection if you want. you can raise the argument is it an impeachable offense if you want, but that is interesting to me because this will come down to whether the republicans stay or break from the president of the united states. liz cheney giving no indication if she's breaking there, but she is giving a warning light to her colleagues because this is going to be

that is a better argument, like look, i'm no liz cheney fan but if you have liz cheney saying lay offple like vindman and people like mitch mcconnell saying i don't want to talk about the patriotism of these folks who are parading in to testify, they want to go somewhere that they are used to. no matter what kind of brother in arms bolton has been over the years in wanting to go into iraq or two into iran or all the crazier things he wants to do remove the top ten floors of the u.n., they will turn on him if he becomes a useful foe. at the same time, he will do them some good because he will say look, i didn't agree with this but you have been after him for two and a half years. he will do a lot of their talking points. i mean it will be rough but frankly i'm not sure it wouldn't be a lot better than what they're going through right now. >> well the person who crafts, specializes and broadcast those talking points would be rudy giuliani. in the new issue of "time" magazine you write all about giuliani calling him the secretary of is offense and write this. giuliani's transformation ha

made his decision on syria, the hawkish wing of the republican party led in part by representative cheneyave seen their bonds with the president fray, especially in policy. politically they know the president remains in tight control of the gop. but they're speaking out with increasing regularity about his decisions and about the conduct of his allies if not the conduct of the president. >> michael, it seems to me this character assassination which is what trump used in his campaign. he would destroy his opponents, not just beat them, make them look like idiots. but here you're going after noncom battants, witnesses. you're going after military people and destroying them by attacking them as what? anti-trumpers, they sit around in the bushes planning on how to get this guy. >> this guy is the conservative ideal. he escaped from behind the iron curtain, came to this country, got an education, served in the military, wounded defending our country and now works at the highest level in the white house. this man is what conservatives traditionally want to aspire to. >> i wonder about the newsp

take a listen to what liz cheney, the number three republican and ardent defender of the president had to say just a moment ago. >> i also want to say a word about something else that's been going on over the course of the last several hours and last night, which i think is also shameful. and that is questioning the patriotism, questioning the dedication to country of people like mr. vindman, lieutenant colonel vindman, who will be coming today, and others who have testified. i think that we need to show that we are better than that as a nation. it is shameful to question their patriotism, their love of this nation. and we should not be involved in that process. >> yeah, and just quickly to back the member i was talking to this morning, he said, quote, if we do this, we deserve to get our blanks kicked. so i think members are moving away from the republican commentators, but clearly, they still disagree with at least the opinion or the assessment that colonel vindman had related to that call, kate? >> fascinating, phil. all right, so lay out for folks what lieutenant -- lay out what li

cheney: i want to make sure everyone is focused on a couple of things. you'll hear from a number of members about this. the first one is that the democrats cannot fix this process. they've now created a record over the course of the last several weeks with witnesses they selected, we know there are circumstances where chairman schiff told witnesses not to answer questions that our members were asking. we know there have been circumstances where our members have attempted to go read transcripts and have been told by staff member they're not allowed to go read those transcripts. this is a process that has been fundamentally tainted. the president has had no rights inside these hearings. his counsel has not been able to be present. for them to claim they're going to open the process up which by the way this resolution does not do. the resolution says they're going to do what they want to do it gives authority for open hearings. but they cannot go back and fix what is a fundamentally tainted and unfair record. the second thing that's very important for the a

, dick cheney.p's decision is having sickeningly predictable consequences. she's accusing the us of ‘abandoning' a key ally that had ‘helped protect the us homeland'. mr trump has again defended himself. there's one justification — just in case you missed this yesterday, here's another from the president on his decision to leave the kurds exposed. the kurds are fighting for their land. just so you understand. they are fighting for their land and somebody rode in a very and somebody wrote in a very powerful article today, they didn't help us in the second world war, they did not help us with normandy with normandy as an example, they mentioned names of different battles. but they were there to help us with their land. another critic is senior republican senator lindsay graham. ‘very sad to see great ally — the kurds — being assaulted by turkish military using american—designed equipment. expect congress to act soon against turkey‘s invasion.‘ senator graham has co—athored a bill with a democratic sen

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, but i agree with liz cheney on this.resident trump is trusting the word of a dictator, erdogan, that he will keep a safe zone safe. and all the reports we are getting from our own jennifer griffin and other people who have good military sources is that the safe zone is anything but. in turkey wants to push kurds out of their territory. we have reports of ethnic cleansing. they want to redraw the lines of who controls what territory, and this all happen because we withdrew. no i have set on this couch that i think we should have a conversation about our strategic interest in syria and what they are and how to achieve those. we should not have troops in the middle east either, but the way this was done has caught people off guard. if you are isis fighters were released than we expected, but it is still in the hundreds. and they expected isis fighters to be released? how is that a responsible policy? >> dagen: that is one of the most major concerns about what is going on in syria. and that is articles about isis fighters br

and frankly, when leader mccarthy and representative scalise and representative cheney can vote for this kind of resolution, why should we not be doing the same? it will send a better message to the president than anything else we can do. my friend, the republican leader, says we need a stronger resolution. quibbling over words at a time when america is in danger doesn't make sense to me, particularly a resolution that he knows will not pass the house and not go to the president's desk. so i would plead with my colleagues let's move forward. i plead with my friend from kentucky -- both my friends from kentucky. but i plead with the junior senator from kentucky to not stand in the way. he has a different world view than almost all of us. but we talked in -- we talked early this morning. i asked him was he against going after the taliban and bin laden when they hit us in america, in new york, and he said no. well, this is the same kind of thing. we're happy to vote on his resolution. let's vote on both. this is momentous. these terrorist acts from escaped isis prisoners might not occur tom

that's mcconnell and cheney. this was an unforced error.ura ingraham getting out and questioned and calling this espionage. was unforced. and they spent yesterday trying to clean that up. >> what's fascinating to me, too, when you watch this reaction, abby, you spoke about this, based on your sources in the white house who told you from the very beginning, one of the thing that the president needs is some sort of a foil or negativity because it helps him try to dictate this narrative. is that still working? >> it's becoming incredibly difficult. and you're hearing it in the way that the president talks about what's happening around him. the president often needs a person in front of him that he can say i'm fighting against that person. that person for a long time was the whistle-blower. the whistle-blower doesn't have a name. the whistle-blower doesn't have a face. and the whistle-blower may never be known. and now there are all of these other people who do have names and who do have faces who are coming out and they have characters that ca

i think liz cheney was defensive of him. >> liz cheney got up there and defended vindman in front of people. danny three top republicans calling the investigation an illegal sham because it, quote, lacks any properly authorization. is there any merit to this argument whatsoever? >> republicans are wrong on this front. the constitution gives the house the sole power to impeach, not the senate, not any other branch of government, but the house. to that end, when they conduct investigations, not post impeachment, i'm talking about before there's an actual impeachment, they have considerable latitude to conduct those investigations. and while republicans can argue that maybe they should put it to a vote, there's no explicit requirement that they have to vote to conduct the impeachment inquiry. and an analogy would be the criminal process prior to an indictment, a criminal defense attorney has noim right to be ia grand jury room. no right to be involved or participate in the prosecution's process for bringing an indictment or criminal charges. so, this, even though there's very littleev p

art laffer had dinner in 1974 with donald rumsfeld who was secretary of defense and dick cheney who was later the vice president of the united states he is an economist and wall street journal writers pulled out a napkin and drew a diagram why it is we would expect if we cut taxes it would go up so why does that go viral? because it would help to justify tax cuts but it takes more than that is it the original idea but i can quote art laffer who says no it wasn't an original idea. that it goes all the way back to the economist who wrote in his economics letter in 14th century that it can happen. that it can raise revenue and it is absolutely right and it can happen. we have known that for a long time. so why does this go viral? somehow the napkin fits into the digital imagery. cicero wrote this about 2000 years ago when he says with visual imagery because people remember it better plus it has a quality at the two continents restroom that doesn't exist but it used to be a nice restaurant in washington dc so somehow they figured out that was a story and it's his individual genius so it cam

i'll tell you when you see liz cheney come out like that, she leaves messaging for house republicansnce when someone in that position comes out to sort of correct something that some republican member or some republican advocate or media person has said, it's because they're worried about how it's going to play with constituents, whatever that was said. and i think what we're seeing here, i would love to say that congresswoman cheney, and actually might give her a little bit of credit on this, and just as importantly the millions of americans who have served like he has, maybe there's some respect there. but actually what the predominant concern there is they understand that attacking a combat veteran is not going to go over well politically for all of them in districts they're going to be competing for, even to hold their minority number now yet alone gain a majority which seems an impossibility at this point right now. they're worried about how this attack, these attacks on honorable veterans, they're worried about that effect across america. but i do not think that's going to stop

and i think what we're seeing here, i would love to say that congresswoman cheney, and actually i mightit of credit on this, that maybe she does respect colonel vindman and just as importantly the millions of americans who have served like he has, maybe there's some respect there. but actually what the predominant concern there is they understand that attacking a combat veteran is not going to go over well politically for all of them in districts they're going to be competing for, even to hold their minority number now let alone gain a majority which seems an impossibility at this point right now in the house. they're worried about how this attack, these attacks on honorable veterans, they're worried about that effect across america. but i do not think that's going to stop the president's allies in the house and others from attacking honorable public servants, even those who have served in uniform. >> jennifer, one thing worth entering into the historic record here, they are all lying, every single one of them. none of those republicans actually respects donald trump as a human being in

i would hope that leads cheney, who i have enormous respect for, and other republicans including my hometate congressman mr. scalise. democrats understand what is at stake here. this is protecting and defending the constitution of the united states of america. the president deserves due process and he will be given due process. with those members of congress took an oath of office to the constitution. they didn't take it to their political party and they did not take it to -- >> harris: i don't know if you're talking about republicans and democrats. you can understand people are worried right now. we are entering a new enrollmen enrollment. period. we just had stephanie grisham, white house press secretary, talking about other things that need attention. usmca. i hear democrats say, "walk and chew gum at the same time." we are going to actually have to see them do this. they are like 20 days left for congress until the end of the year, between 16 and 20 days preworking days to get things done. you have november 21st, running out of money in the middle of. >> where have you been? i live i

>> listen, having liz cheney the number three republican whose name is cheney stand in front of the press corps and rip the white house, rip the supporters of the president who did that, who demeaned and questioned the patriotism of somebody who walked into the capitol with shrapnel in his body still because when he was serving america in iraq he was hurt by a roadside bomb, that sent a message louder and clearer than any other sort of back channel communication. there's no question. but if i may, on this "new york times" report about the elipses, there's so many names and so many testimonies and you see this flurry of what's going on every day on capitol hill, but it brings us back to the original point, the reason why so many moderate democrats who had political peril to go ahead and say we should do an impeachment inquiry, why they did it, because of this call. this is really the focus and many democrats who i talk to say they hope remains the focus. that it was inappropriate, that it should not have happened and all we're seeing in all of these bits of testimony are they hope proof an

you see him talking to liz cheney, who is also in leadership.ordan, congressman mccall, and also steve scalise. i'm sure that's what they are waiting for. you'd be surprised, this is a little more impromptu than he would think. this is not a totally well- well-scripted event. obviously the minority leader will have some talking points, but these are usually more impromptu than anybody would give it credit for. >> melissa: he looks like he's about to begin. >> harris: there is represented of steve scalise now. >> melissa: let's listen in. >> we just had a vote on the floor. in march of this year, speaker pelosi said this about impeachment -- "impeachment is so divisive to the country, unless there is something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, i don't think we should go down that path because it divides the country." today, the country just witnessed the only bipartisan vote on that floor was against. the question to the speaker are the same questions i provided ie unfair process that we had. at what has since march at all the hearin

to me thinking out of the box trying to bring the 2 sides together and leaving the most difficult cheney thinking out of the box trying to bring the 2 sides together and leaving the most difficult issues to be into because you can read either way to try to negotiate with these issues and to be able to because you can read either way to try to negotiate with these issues and there's no progress we sat down with a state as we negotiated jerusalem we negotiate this outpost place we sat down with those ladies we negotiated jerusalem we negotiated settlements we negotiated 6 have been aboard those we negotiated jerusalem we couldn't reach of settlements we negotiated 6 have been aboard those we negotiated jerusalem we couldn't reach an agreement so these observations on that they were but now we cannot come to a board and agreement so these observations and that they are but now we cannot come to kind of a political jumped out just simply to extend them put a big in bed get a bigger that has been difficult jumped out just a bit to extend them put a big in bed get a bigger has been long enough

cheney: i think one of the important things to recognize about the impeachment effort is the extent to which materials are being kept in secret, not just from the public, but kept in secret from other members. so we have had members go down and attempt to read the transcripts, for example, that -- of testimony and they were denied access. the constitution of the united states does not say that the power of impeachment resides with speaker pelosi. doesn't say it resides with the speaker of the house, doesn't say it resides with the chairman of the intel committee. it says it resides in the house of representatives. and it is really shameful misteenager of their responsibilities and duties for them to be conducting this exercise in which they will not even share information with members of congress beyond the select few that they have identified. so we are going to continue to focus on that, talk about that and i'm in just a minute going to introduce one of our colleagues who has a resolution that's focused

as president cheney achieved through it for the european process but nonetheless it is a surprise for people who relied on diesel fuel for 'd transporting our cultural goods in pickup trucks or people who are afraid they won't be able to afford the higher prices for 'd for 'd a bus tickets so that's the main concern is really is really how to get by for if you are if you're from a remote rural community with very little access to cash so that's the root cause of the tensions then and in light of that president moreno has moved his government out of the capital i mean i wonder how that is going down how people perceiving that decision. it's mixed some are saying he was a coward so there's a saying it was a brilliant strategic move it's completely unheard of. and others are saying it was a safe move because you have to match the historic center as relatively narrow streets. of the unprecedented violence that we've seen of these protests. to. give a cautionary tale and to avoid too much of 'd it actually to what anybody any further blood sugars as much as possible because started to. red

leader mccarthy with scalise, number three cheney all voted for it. they are as loyal to president trump as anybody but they saw the danger, the real danger. today the senate should and i hope will follow suit. we can quibble about the language but i have no we can agree on the, basic message and there's no reason we can't vote on a senate resolution today. time is of the essence to say i'd like to add this word or add this sentence as kurds irving slosberg, as isis terrace are escaping. no, e no, no. no, no, no. we should move the house bill because we all know there's only one person who can reverse this and that is the president and the greatest stability to make them her verses and overwhelming message from the republicans tied, house and senate that this is wrong. he doesn't hear that too often publicly from our republican friends. he is heard from the house correctly and courageously. please my friends my republican friends in the senate let's put politics aside. let's vote the house bill pass yesterday. there is no time to waste. time is of the

mitt romney, liz cheney this morning, number three republican in the house and the number two republican in the senate who has been more throughout in his concerns how all of this is going down, john thune, our ted barrett talked to him. he said i don't question his patriotism and said he's got a purple heart and it would be a mistake to attack his patriotism. one other note. i noticed shawn duffy since his appearance on this network looks like he's trying to clean it up on twitter, said that, said this morning i salute mr. splavindma service. he gives advice. other network, running those conspiracy theories and don't have anybody to push back on them, that's kind of going into the zeist geistgeist, but not a >>> talking live with a veteran up next and someone who know the vindman to respond. >>> plus a former navy s.e.a.l. who trained these military dogs join meese to discuss an operation that killed the isis leader, abu bakr al baghdadi and why this needs to remain classified. >>> and the family of a british teen killed in that crash involving a american diplomat's wife will now sue th

. >> [indiscernible] >> the cheney makes -- china makes lifting huawei off the blacklist a condition,sider doing that? pres. trump: i will not talk about that because we just started the negotiations of phase two. we will begin as soon as we finish papering phase one. phase one is one of the biggest deals ever made. unbelievable for technology, unbelievable for the banking industry and financial services. and for the farmers, there has never been anything like it. we are going to see what happens. we will be discussing that. >> the whistleblower? pres. trump: the whistleblower has been very inaccurate. the whistleblower reported a totally different conversation than i had. i released the transcript of my conversation, an exact transcript. the whistleblower did not say that. the whistleblower is either saying untruths, ok? or he didn't know or is making up a story, like shift did. schiff made up the story. when he read what i said, he said i cannot send this because he did nothing wrong. schiff went out and made up a lie. it was a fraudulent story. you know that better than anybody. yo

vice president cheney had stints put in. >> that's a point. everyone here hopes she okay.e are wishing him the best. your health is paraimportance. more important than anything else. i do want to ask you about the statement from jeff weaver, his senior adviser. at the end it says we are canceling his events and appearances until further notice. do you have any more guidance what that might mean until further notice? >> reporter: i don't at this point, poppy. we are furiously trying to get in touch with campaign people to find out the long-term prognosis not only what it means with his health and his campaign. they are in a wait and see moment and how quickly he can get back up involved in the campaign at the level at which he is accustomed to. they feel very confident about where they stand right now. they just laid $25 million in the last quarter. the best quarter of the campaign. even though the polls show them slipping behind, this is a campaign that feels they have a bright future ahead of them so my guess is they will do everything they possibly can to get senator san

with the movies and the books and all the trashing of bush and cheney and the iraq war and afghanistan but because they have to attack trump, they go after him -- he caused syria, i love that. he because the fighting in syria that's been going on for how many years? this is what he's done to the democrat party and the masks are off. i really think the masks are off whether it's lebron james and the nba and these other elites over the democrat party. >> look, this is why you don't see the medial moving on impeachment. americans look at democrats and if not that they've been going at them three years. it's the next thing and we believe the next one really matters, but it's also the double standard and i keep pointing this out. how can you look at americans and the same it was okay that hillary clinton's campaign funneled this information to the fbi from russia, which was used as part of surveillance warrants of this investigation -- that was all good. in fact, that was just saving our country and turn around and say what donald trump did somehow rises to the level of an impeachable offen

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it was dick cheney, right? that was the proper place for dick cheney to be to be able to defend. vice president biden was the vice president and also now the father of somebody accuser, allegations and i didn't know 16$16,166,000, that is getting p there. that is a lot. but he does not have an effective message outside of himself and no echo chamber and the democrats saying impeachment but no one deepening the actual allegations. so i don't know if he needs ru rudy. >> jesse: everybody needs a rudy. and actually the dnc not coming to his defense hard enough but let's listen to donald trump's new sound on joe biden and then you can react. >> president trump: biden is dropping like a rock. i didn't think he was going to make it and i didn't think he was going to make it for a long time. i didn't think he was going to make it. he didn't say that until right now. he sees what's happening to him. he's no longer the front runner. he's been hit and caught red-handed. >> greg: well, you know i don't believe this is about actual impeachment, right? what they are trying to do is create a q

liz cheney, congresswoman from wyoming. >> we have the sound bite. let's listen to her. >> okay. >> we're talking about decorated veteran whose served this nation who have put their lives on the line and it is shameful to question their patriotism, their love of this nation and we should not be involved in that process. >> and shortly after senator john thune came out and said something. senator mitt romney came out and said something. and the gop leader of the senate, mitch mcconnell, who doesn't often come forward said "i'm not going to question the patriotism of any of the people coming forward." i -- i think that this is critical. it is not surprising when donald trump is under attack he attacks. so he did this tweet about never trump, but it is simply not appropriate. >> yeah. thank you for saying that. and over to you, sir, on the legal -- his testimony is so significant. the first person to have testified actually on that july 25th phone call between trump and zelensky and actually the second time after that call he rang the nsc lawyers, becau

the one cheney called shameful. because they apparently would rather impugn decorated veterans such as vindland and taylor than address the substance of the testimony. which alleged that president tump and his team were extorti extorting ukraine and corrupting the security apparatus to help president trump politically. they don't want to talk about that testimony. so let us turn to that testimony. here is sunlen serfaty on capitol hill. >> reporter: bombshell testimony on capitol hill. >> this is a very, very important moment. this is a person that was there. >> reporter: from alexander vindland, the national security council top ukraine expert telling house investigators he was so troubled by what was happening with ukraine he raised concerns twice to his superiors. >> we have all kinds of opinions from several witnesses over the last few weeks about the fund. al facts that are just that, fundamental. >> reporter: but vindland is the first witness who was actually on the now famous july 25th phone call between pres

stefanik: thank you, chairwoman cheney. stepanek, i represent new york's 21st congressional district. this is my third term. second term on intelligence committee. i wanted to echo what liz mentioned. been a closed door, nfair and unprecedented process. tens of millions of americans should know that their member of access to s had no any of the transcripts. in fact, no member has been able to read every transcript. and let me tell you why. there have only been two that were made available to intelligent members committee. volker and other is ambassador. we were notified that they would be printing one transcript for every single member, whether you not, ande committee or you would have to read it with a member of democratic staff. unprecedented and unfair. again, this is coming from -- i sit on the intelligence committee. strongly believe that every member of congress should have access to every single because the question begs, how are these members talking about this in their district? the democratssure impeachment? i als

i agree with liz cheney and mike gallagher who tweeted out that the president should not have done thatthe president has a pretty strong policy vis-a-vis china. he's got them in a painful position. their economy is tough growing and it may even be contracting. they want 3 million manufacturing jobs and their industrial chain is breaking up was very painful for them and on top of that, they have hong kong which is -- if they couldn't easily crush the protests in hong kong, they would've done it months ago. this is not tiananmen square. it's not easy to crush and so they are losing their crown jewel right now. >> bret: so this is -- is this a good cop/bad cop kind of situation? >> i think that president trump has not paid very much attention it to human rights abuses in china. he's paid a lot of attention to trade with china but not so much to human rights abuses. mitch mcconnell who visited with the president for a ladle, his statement talked a lot about china and you have this incredible split screen today on the 70th anniversary. the scene in the square of this huge military parade tha

>> well, i think you saw the same reaction from people like liz cheney when the president discussed us withdrawing from afghanistan. >> part of it is that, right. good point. >> i don't know how seriously it is when they raised their hand and when it comes to protecting the constitution, they will not raise their hand to criticize this president under any circumstances. they're hawks in every way, shape and form. so i don't think this is an opportunity to justify or legitimate their world view. but in this particular instance when you see what the kurds have done for us over the last five years, we had a precipitous withdrawal from iraq and it was the rise of isis as a land-holding entity, and it was with a partnership with the kurds that we were able to beat them back. right now there is over 11,000 isis prisoners. god knows what is going to happen to them. if you had told me a month ago the president would be openly seeking china's help in his next election and aiding and abetting isis prisoners, i would say you're out of your mind but here we are. >> yeah, we should note that laura

even liz cheney is saying this is shameful. >> that is something everyone was paying attention to in the white house. it wasn't just liz cheney, she was the first and people were surprised she came out so forcefully about that and john thune and mitch mcconnell talking about the criticism of someone who was just simply, they believe, telling what happened in his position in that role. of course he is incredibly sensitive for the white house because the first person to testify that was on the call. that is why you saw people trying to discredit him even though he is someone who has served in the military and wounded and essentially people in the white house said they didn't think that was a great idea. >> my sources say he reported to work today at the national security council after all of this. and thank you for being here. a ton going on today. another foreign service officer is testifying before house investigators. this is as lawmakers are right now debating impeachment inquiry rule as head of a full house vote tomorrow. a lot of debate about that. and then on the other side of t

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-- you've got liz mcconnell -- you've got mitch mcconnell and liz cheney.y're pushing back on these attacks against vindman. does that give you any hope? >> yeah. yeah, of course it does. a lot of the members were saying this is absolutely uncalled for. i'm just trying to say to you in this thing we see now the name calling and the bullying and i think i told you the other day there's a principal that i know who told me they've seen bullying rise in the school. how would you like your kid to be bullied? i mean, sometimes we look at this from a distance and the way we have to look at it is this could involve my family. there's somebody bullying here so now it's okay for your kid to go to school and bully somebody. or what about the kid that's being bullbe being bullied? the name calling and putdowns and not treating human beings as legitimate and worthy of having respect. come on, we know that's crazy -- >> you've been saying the same thing since the campaign about calling trump out on his bullying. >> yeah. >> so listen, that's nothing new. but nothing has

and frankly, when leader mccarthy and representative's beliefs, and representatives cheney can vote for of resolution, why should we not be doing the same? it will send a better message to the president then anything else we can do. my friend, the republican leaders said's that we need a stronger resolution. quibbling over words at a time when america is in danger does not make sense to me. particularly a resolution that he knows will not pass the house and go to the president's desk. so i would plead with my colleagues, let's move forward. i plead with my friend from kentucky. they are both my friends from kentucky. but i plead with the junior senator from kentucky to not stand in the way. he has a different worldview than almost all of us. but we talked earlier this morning, i asked him if he was against going after the taliban, and bin laden when they hit us in america. in new york. and he said no. oh, this is the same kind of thing. we are happy to vote on his resolution. let's vote on both. this is momentous. these terrorist acts from escaped isis prisoners may not occur tomorrow.

. >> chairwoman cheney. at least stephan, i represent the 21st congressional district. this is my second term on intelligence committee. i wanted to echo what liz mentioned. this has been a closed-door, unfair and unprecedented process. tens of millions of americans should know that their member of congress as had no access to any of the transcripts. in fact, no member has been able to read every transcript and let me tell you why. there have been only two transcripts made available to intelligence committee members. the first is kurt folders, the second is ambassador yovanovich's. we were told they would be printing one transcript for every member and you would have to read itwith a member of democratic staff . that is unprecedented and unfair. this is coming from the intelligence committee. i certainly believe that every member of congress should have access to every transcript because the question that's how are they talking about this in their district? how early so sure of support when they don't have access to the evidence in this proposed process and i also belie

bill that passed the house with the vast majority of republicans, 2-1 leaders mccarthy scalise and cheney voted for it. they understand the motivations of my friend from kentucky are sincere and real. he's had these positions not the positions of the majority on his side or our side and we have worked together and agreed but i think it is so wrong not to move forward. it is so wrong to let democrats and republicans leading the man we saw in the white house staying in control without rushing him to do better, without pressuring him to do better. there is no better, quicker or more powerful way to pressure the president to undo the damage he has caused and to pass an bipartisan joint resolution that will go directly to his desk. we will come back to this issue. it will not go away. he cannot go away. for the sanctity of america the safety of the kurds and some degree of stability not chaos in the middle east that president trump precipitously caused. so i plead with my colleague from kentucky and anyone else that might interject, let us have a vote. let uss make our arguments and e are will

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thune said quote, it would be a mistake to attack his credibility and representative liz cheney said we need to show we are better than that as a nation. >>> joining me from capitol hill is msnbc's garrett haake. what's the latest? >> vindman is giving the opening statement, very powerful for the lawmakers who saw him do two things -- first, confirm the contents of the call with the president of ukraine and of the united states. the first person who is actually listening to the call to testify today. he mentioned another meeting and one other point he explicitly links the president's action to being damaging to national security. he explained it as it makes it less likely that we and ukraine can work together to counter russia and that's the heart and soul of the case that the democrats are trying to get to impeachment articles. to get to the reason to remove president trump. so far, we have not heard much more about the actual content of his testimony beyond that opening statement. but the opening statement alone as you pointed out earned the three extremely disturbing -- at least f

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i'm thrilled that we have kyle cheney, congressional reporter for politico here who has been all over this. good evening on a busy night. thanks for making time for us. >> great to be here, ari. thanks for having me. >> absolutely. as we see these witnesses come forward, including mr. kent from the state department today, we're also seeing the stonewalling from giuliani and some of the other entities that we mentioned. when you look at all of this and the evidence coming forward through the cooperative witnesses, what does that tell you and is that advancing the ball enough? >> i mean, there are a lot of democrats in particular who say they've already got enough evidence. they can move to the floor with articles of impeachment today if they want to. i think the conundrum they have now is how much evidence do we need and is there a point where we've actually crossed a line where we have enough to say, look, this could take us years to get to the bottom of every single lead that we have that's emerging, so should we put a lid on it and actually draft articles of impeachment based on wha

liz cheney on impeachment. this is starting to seem like a political setup.stake. marco rubio on impeach, i don't know that that's a real request for china to investigate biden. on syria, the trump sensation mass made a grave mistake. does it give republicans more credibility or less credibility to be that different on two issues? >> look, i think it's irrelevant. it's two separate issues. you can debate the national security pl implications of each. i don't see the fact that they're coming out against a syrian policy on one and defend the president on impeachment on the other, quite frankly. >> on some level when they go back to their districts it allows them to push back on the narrative that trump has them in their hands for all reasons. they can say i did disagree with him on this. i did push back on this idea. for those voters who aren't convinced that they're thinking independently and not about their next election, this example probably isn't going to be enough. >> carol, adrienne and matt, thank you very much. >>> we'll go inside the country's deadlie