oh but chertoff says that you know it had nothing to do with his working with the scan industry that he was pretty you know promoting these body scanners so but also the underwear bomber you know that bomb never was even an active bomb and so you have to ask yourself why didn't we implement these scanners that were in warehouses just and ready to be just pushed in airports so the real question is you know the proverbial pot of boiling water where your frog in the pot of boiling water why what does it take for people to really get to their breaking point i mean is privacy so devalued that people no longer care about their civil liberties completely been violated. well that's a great question and here's the answer we have almost a generation that has been immersed in this doctrine doctrine of preemption we preemptively bomb countries invade countries murder their leaders we go in because we're afraid of what they might do now we have the same should be applied to the populace in this country if you haven't done anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about it's better to check

, michael chertoff of homeland security and the former nsa director, saying it's policy for china to engauge in cyber espionage. >> one of the things you notice in our report that led to our under estimation of them is our perception of china to be a h÷h >> that's one of the strong parts of the report is there's an appendix there that says we gotta reassess assumptions. the report makes the report that there are assumptions among some people, some western observers, that china, as you said, had kind of a bloated underperforming industrial -- defense industrial sector. that assumption is not true and people need to understand that they're quite capable. >> you guys -- you mentioned cyber, but you guys also commissioned a fascinating cyber report. what were your findings of the cyber report? >> we do not just staff research which is the indigenous weapons report, but we also commission outsiders to come in and do reports for us. this is done by north rup grummond and their report is that china's network operations -- the capabilities of their computer network operations have risen to s

screaming about terror and fear and calling for brother head on a stake rather than installing michael chertoff x. ray porno scanners in their government buildings rather than classifying their children and their elderly as potential gun loving maniacs or terrorists who are going to blow up their planes in our region people had a quite different answer. instead of cowering in fear the way george bush and dick cheney would have us do in our waging people decided to sing a song. today is the brother trial unfolds in a year by courthouse over forty thousand norwegians huddled together in the streets to sing a folk so. it was a folk song that breivik himself condemned claiming that it was some sort of marxist indoctrination song for kids why because it talked about brothers and brotherhood and living together in peace. but people aren't singing it despite brevik that's singing in anger that they're not doing it because he didn't like it they're singing it in hope because of the important message of the song. the song is called children of the rainbow and the words that the norwegian people saying t

joining us to discuss this are chad sweet, a former cia official and co-founder of the chertoff group and cnn national security contributor, fran townsend. fran, let me ask you first, is it possible that they have actually cracked the code? >> well, there are two different things that they would be interested in. one, the stealth material that is on the outside of the drone, could they reverse engineer that? probably they could. but the most sensitive piece is this electronic brain, as you referred to it, the inner workings that are encrypted and safeguard highly classified material. that's what i think panetta is saying he finds unlikely that they could do. i think that's right with one caveat, tom. i do worry iran has a relationship with china and russia, both of whom have got advanced cyber capabilities. but if they work together with them, if they share the technology that they recovered from the drone and worked with the chinese, they do have capabilities that might allow them to crack the encryption. >> chad, what do you think? >> i think that fran is right to point out that on

i remember several years ago in the department of a man security, secretary michael chertoff said he was not sure people should limit data collection to people in the justice system. but someone in a private scenario wants to know where i have been it, they can take a saliva's wall off of a glass sample -- a saliva swab or what have you. host: if you want to read more, there is a chart here along with spencer hsu's reporting. how accurate is the analysis? dna, handwriting, hair and fiber. it goes on and on. except for dna, known that it has been able to accurately link evidence to a person or a single source. mr. hsu, ky about broadening this inquiry to of the parts of the country. do you see a legislative response in washington to wall of this? >> senator pat leahy of vermont has legislation undergoing revision that would attempt revisions of the 2009 report. senator jay rockefeller is also interested in the issue and has tried to carve out space for scientific agencies to set standards for law enforcement. the top scientific adviser for president obama has set up a process to see w

i remember several years ago in the department of a man security, secretary michael chertoff said hele should limit data collection to people in the justice system. but someone in a private scenario wants to know where i have been it, they can take a saliva's wall off of a glass sample -- a saliva swab or what have you. host: if you want to read more, there is a chart here along with spencer hsu's reporting. how accurate is the analysis? dna, handwriting, hair and fiber. it goes on and on. except for dna, known that it has been able to accurately link evidence to a person or a single source. mr. hsu, ky about broadening this inquiry to of the parts of the country. do you see a legislative response in washington to wall of this? >> senator pat leahy of vermont has legislation undergoing revision that would attempt revisions of the 2009 report. senator jay rockefeller is also interested in the issue and has tried to carve out space for scientific agencies to set standards for law enforcement. the top scientific adviser for president obama has set up a process to see what policy steps c

i remember several years ago in the department of a man security, secretary michael chertoff said hewas not sure people should limit data collection to people in the justice system. but someone in a private scenario wants to know where i have been it, they can take a saliva's wall off of a glass sample -- a saliva swab or what have you. host: if you want to read more, there is a chart here along with spencer hsu's reporting. how accurate is the analysis? dna, handwriting, hair and fiber. it goes on and on. except for dna, known that it has been able to accurately link evidence to a person or a single source. mr. hsu, ky about broadening this inquiry to of the parts of the country. do you see a legislative response in washington to wall of this? >> senator pat leahy of vermont has legislation undergoing revision that would attempt revisions of the 2009 report. senator jay rockefeller is also interested in the issue and has tried to carve out space for scientific agencies to set standards for law enforcement. the top scientific adviser for president obama has set up a process to see wh