china sea. the philippines in vietnam are threatened most by china submissions and both struggle to counter them. the rivalry between china and the united states also have a huge influence on this regional conflict. the philippines is getting closer to the us and the help this protects it from china, while vietnam is balancing between the 2 superpowers. in this episode, we will look at how china is expanding its control in the self tennessee and how the philippine side of it ma'am, are pushing back in such different ways. the let's start with base chinese warships on patrol as shown by state media and sailors taking an oath to defend china. what's interesting about that is where they did it. here. 1600 kilometers from the chinese mainland provocation for others around these waters. the philippines, vietnam, malaysia, tonight, indonesia and taiwan. because many of them have competing claims on these waters. looks confusing, right? well, it is. let's talk about china's claims because they're the b

and we're talking china today, just hours after the white house accuse china of hacking telecoms companies to spy out talk with us officials. and it's also in the week when they to secretary general mach router ones that to you cranes, allies must change the trajectory of the will in ukraine. i will debrief my dear colleague who's with me today. richard walker dw chief international editor who was on the plane with them. foreign minister and the bad luck on her trip to china and do the hon. the w's type, a bureau chief in taiwan. so great to have you with me here today to talk whether china rules the world. and um, before we get started, i just want to play in one sound bite from germany's concept off salts who was asked about hybrids attacks in german parliament. just 24 hours ago. let's take a listen. the visa mission was for, i'm good for the these are the main sources of the attacks that concerned our cyber security come, as we all know from russia until they come on every now and then they come from china and that must not be denied public. and the reason i'm saying this richard is be

with respect to china. they have managed to find a common language with respect to china under these kind of banners that a lot of countries have gathered under, with in europe. this idea of di, risking, you know, you want to reduce the risk and the relationship to do, you know, who could argue about against would using risk, you know, but they all have very different interpretations of what that means. and yeah, you can sense that reluctance way. he said, you know, you have to admit that the chinese were also behind some cyber attacks. why should that be so difficult to admit? yeah, kelly, and i just wanna bring in zulu on that. i mean, you were observing also from taiwan and a bell bulk visiting among g, meeting him in beijing. and what do you make of the difference in how the united states has now tackling this very sony issue of confronting china and the way in germany is seen and, and actually acted that the o. well, actually there is not much discussion here in taiwan because um, in terms of cross tre

is china and the us. so sally, speaking here in taiwan, people don't fix that one visit from the german. foreign minister would change anything, right? but we do see some extra interest in discussions in china and which is like you can find that one of the statements after um the box visit is not very harsh actually because we know like bare box you took a pretty tough stance on china. but then um, uh, football, the experts have talked to, they think that china has been taking this very pragmatic attitude towards a bare box. not because that they trying to change their a well we'll, we'll have an attitude, but they recognize that, you know, like they don't want to make the stage become like a like of how they can reach an agreement with the barrow bach from this kid. take a complement, but whether they want to focus on the economic issues. so if you want to hold a press conference talking about how she hope that china can mediate this rest of ukrainian war. so be it. let's be a one woman show from china.

in the past, china and vietnam have repeatedly clashed in the south china sea. right now, china isn't publicly pushing back against vietnam's island building. maybe because they're doing the same thing. and maybe because both countries, i brother and by a communist party, vietnam avoids publicly confronting china. and that restrain isn't only because of aging has a stronger military. vietnam has a long land border with china. and china is its largest trade partner. so that number is vulnerable. that's why it tries to strike a balance between china and the us. this is vietnam, making sure they're getting the exact same treatment during state visit. the vip number balancing act is called ben boot diplomacy. moving between july, you know, like a bamboo, swinging and waiting, but not really lean on one side or the other in practice, that means the country accepts security assistance including votes from the us. it's former war time. so the vin, i'm also regularly conducts joined patrols with china, close to their common border. but unlike the philippines, vin, i'm s

so if you go to china, has that strong stay on the enterprises? china? very efficient to kind of look at that. so that's, that's basically the soft spring heat from time. that's one you way. he's director of the institute of international affairs at redman university of china in beijing . and is a former chinese diplomat. also a ton of each. those might be, i think this mutual benefit and didn't return china promises not to get involved in your politics. no matter what. by the way, china's involvement isn't the same in every port. for example, it can vary from 100 percent ownership to a minority steak. but the pitch has been successful in the global south, especially in african countries, out of around 160 ports with china, head steaks and 53 are on the african continent. now she's in a plastic, they do a bit good. and this is all that good demo, cross the lot bunkerville niles on golf. i left this yonder job or the out the 6. yeah. last shooting the alaska add to where it says that there are some guys you some so some point they say point issue. now the

china is fine, china is a friend, china is a friend and you have some people like china is a friend and what is jonathan saying. so there is that piece of it, that whole disinformation propaganda or psychological operations, but there are also things that are much more subtle. there is a 12-year-old doing a ballerina dance and she may be president one day. and maybe there something in the bottom right of her video that would compromise that. they go to her in a back room and sit, we are going to let people know about this video that you did when you were 12. so you have to think about how spies work. think about how espionage happens. and it could be more compromising than just a ballerina video. and there could be an image that was texted, and your girlfriend or boyfriend, how would you like that broadcast on the news? would that cause you just slightly to adjust your verbiage on china? are you willing to pay that price personally in order to do the right thing? tiktok is dangerous, and it is fascinating, when he came before , i watch the hearing. nobody asked the question of work are

in the south china sea, china rejected that ruling. the 2nd reason for the philippines confidence is their big ally, the us, their former colonial power. after independence, the 2 countries signed a mutual defense treaties. if the philippines was attacked, the u. s. should help defend um, given the growing tensions with china, the philippines is turning more strongly to the us. the country has given to us access to 9 military bases on its soil. they are part of the so called 1st island chain, a line of american military bases that the u. s. is using to project power close to china. one country being cautious about how close that gets to the us is vietnam. these are the outposts vietnam controls in the south china sea. one of them is bar canada, reese this is what it used to look like. and this is it in 2020 for enough space to fit a run way for long range military aircraft. so vietnam is kind of following china is playbook the vin number has been ramping up its outposts a lot recently. so they're going to me saying that now maybe it's

south china sea. let's zoom in on one example. missed you 3. it also have different names in the philippines, china and vietnam. but we will stick with the international names. actually, the philippines have special rights here under international law. that's because states are entitled to explored natural resources, like fisheries and oil within 200 nautical miles of their coastline. it's called their exclusive economic zone that china has its own interpretation. in the mid ninety's erected, a number of hats here is claimed they were meant for chinese fishermen and ignored protests from the philippines. later bathing added concrete buildings in 2015 chinese dredging ships arrived. they took caro from the reast corps, pulverized it, and titled it up to create an artificial island. so mister brief went from this to this the, today it's a chinese militarized outpost. there are thousands of hangers for fighter aircraft and underground fuel storage and a runway long enough for big military plains. the chi

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there is no easy option to producing in china or sourcing from china.d to see who else in southeast asia, who else in other parts of the world could replace china. again, no easy answers. companies have very slowly started to move supply chains to other locations. but if you remember, it took 30—a0 years for china to emerge as such a strong supplier and manufacturer. it's not going to be an easy transition to anywhere else in the world. companies have tried to mitigate some of those risks, but, again, no—one's prepared now to completely replace china. it's often said no—one wins in a trade war when tariffs are imposed, the person who loses most is the consumer. how frustrating is it for you and your members that this is being weaponised and politics is affecting economics in this way and ultimately the person who loses is once again the consumer?— loses is once again the consumer? . ., , , ., loses is once again the consumer? . , ., ., consumer? china has been one of the moderating _ consumer? china has been one of the moderating factors _ consumer? chi

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and right now china is producing an extremely low cost and probably enough solar panels to supply china, the united states and the entire globe as long time to come which is an industry where there's huge room for capacity and if we simply only cared about efficiency, at least in the short run because the kind of dependence is dangerous we face higher prices and problems and be vulnerable to cutoffs. we by lamar from china and reduce costs make faster progress in the emissions reduction so is a balancing act but the other goals are imported to have substantial payoffs the time. smith is a tricky one because actually i think for example, the domestic chip industries were not overly independent and dependent upon was fire grade and us putting higher costs on make it less likely to people to adopt technology or via cheaper solar panel from china and an urgent will not just an efficiency issue willing to put off climate change lofgren with a program of tax credits they go to start with investing in energy efficiencies and equipment missing panels on the roof or investing into their home. ta

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and china -- u.s. and china, or do we focus on u.s.china coordination on challenges and third countries? and i don't think we landed on one. i think we need to continue to probe where there's more opportunity. but it was certainly a theme of our conversations. and i mentioned on that note that -- we did do some conversations and workshop looking at international institutions aside on how track twos can be made more effective in the new environment. and one of the observations we heard on each side is that sometimes these track twos are more productive when focused on multilateral issues opposed to bilateral issues which are simply too contentious and a third party is brought into the conversation so i think triking alating thinking about conversations bilateral relations in a broader context, might be a common, common thread here. i want to open up to our audience i'll call on the men first -- [laughter] >> but i see we have a question back here. >> my name is roger, and i'm an editorial contributor on technology policy for the hill ne

most about china? and they are interrelated in terms of those questions. >> david, to the first question, china is both, they're both an adversary and a competitor. but they should be more of a a competitor and less of an adversary then and it's the other way around right now. we want to compete with china. we want to compete with anyone. american greatness is founded on competing in winning on a level playing field but that's not what's been happening and that's not what has allowed china to rise and what we now see from what you talked about the threat report from the intelligence community that china is our greatest adversary in the sense of the only other nationstate that is capable of challenging and even supplanting the u.s. as the world superpower, economically, militarily and technologically. we talked appropriately, david, about the great power competition that has become a term that we talk about in dealing with china and russia and its appropriate but i d a term with in it which is a greater

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there is no easy option to producing in china or sourcing from china.look around to see who else in southeast asia, who else in other parts of the world could replace china. again, no easy answers. companies have very slowly started to move supply chains to other locations. but if you remember, it took 30—a0 years for china to emerge as such a strong supplier and manufacturer. it's not going to be an easy transition to anywhere else in the world. companies have tried to mitigate some of those risks, but, again, no—one's prepared now to completely replace china. the chinese economy itself is in a very different position than it was in the first trump presidency. it's grappling with its own debt crisis, its property crisis, unemployment, particularly amongst young people, still an issue. does that change the balance of power in these negotiations, that china may be forced to come to the table in a way that in the first trump presidency, they didn't need to? it certainly is true that more recently, when the chinese leaders talk, in some ways, i would say,

so that's actually worried that this talk it to us maybe in china can be expanded too make by china. so i think this is really, is something that me, courts, some of the chinese terms of being of god, even though they are more prepared than before. packing a 2018 the course, a lot of them has actually moved that production elsewhere, trying to explore to the us through different markets. so this is something that we have seen which is quite different from a few years ago. and still adults with a it can actually fully offset this impact. so which basically means that together with the domestic we could, the model is possible to see chinese growth taking a piece deal with recently the big shock compared to before. it's possible to see like a g to be a growth decline by um i see your point 5 or to one percentage point depending on the ultimate terrace that being imposed. so yes, the situation remains quite challenging. so definitely i do think that china will continue to explore the market, but this is not an easy job. got to stay with this. i want to ask you about the next item you, as

what impact will have it on the us—china chip war?ke an escalation in the chip war, this is the latest salvo. china is notjust going after any american company, but one of america's most prized tech companies. there's some real frustration on the part of the chinese. last week we saw washington tightening restrictions on sales to 140 companies, a couple of which happen to be chinese chip companies. and we saw china immediately respond to that by saying they were going to limit the exports of certain minerals to the united states, so there's a real tit—for—tat here. and the bigger picture, this is part of an ongoing effort by the us to curb the flow of nvidia's most advanced chips to china. and we see that reflected in the share of nvidia revenue that's coming from china. it's been on a steady slide over the last couple of years. china's leaders say they'll do more to help boost the world's second largest economy. they'll implement more fiscal measures and adopt lower monetary policy next year. this comes after a meeting of the most se

and china. go into this investigation regarding a deal made years ago. >> this was a bit of a surprise. we got this last night from state television in china where cc tv said the agency has opened a probe into nvidia with antimonopolyies particular behavior. it is a deal they did four years ago to buy a company called in israel that makes networking equipment. china had to approve into and they did in 2020 but they did with seven different conditions about nvidia's behavior including giving customers in china access information from melanox and nvidia's own chips. it is not clear what they will dig into but as you noted nvidia has been at the heart of the u.s.-china conflict over technology. washington has cut off nvidia's ability to sell its most advanced chips in china so that is the heart of the conflict. caroline: the justice department is also looking for information of nvidia and violating laws is not the only country but set the context of what other companies are because one is having di

so we're trying to get into china. and we can earlier we talked to a place where there was only a highway they sent us back and we had to go around 25 kilometers and came to another highway. so maybe this time it will work on the, the higher batch on. do you know, have finally across the chinese border, but the attorney isn't over yet. with their small camera, they continue documenting the adventure. they still have more than 4000 kilometers of puddling, had till they reach their final destination. suddenly after a 100 days of trouble, they made it. they reached the capital city. i'm happy to meet them on a hear all about the ventures, the one the logic was eating, particularly when you travel like this on a bicycle because it's nice because you realize that the world is really better than one thinks because people help us. i just, i'm k, l g, even today at 3 o'clock a stranger stopped us and gave us 2 bottles of water and a few thoughts just sort of like you gave example, global theory the left for me to go through or

they may be in a better to negotiate with russia or china. right now, china has no interest and russia has refused and russia's actions have gone beyond refusing. and some respects might lower the bar for nuclear use and the unratifying, all of this has russia moving in the opposite direction. that would be my second assignment is to figure out, is there a way to get on. >> james, if you could weigh in on this and i would note for those of you who don't read japes as closely as i do, james has argued that the united states should reassess some of these approaches. take it away, james, please. >> i suppose if you are a nuclear wonk and spent the last 15, 20 years thinking about nuclear weapons, it is helpful if you think you are living in an important time and think a time when an impactful decision is being made and believe that your work is speaking to the moment. i honestly believe right now it is an important time because i really believe that the decisions that the united states takes over the next few years, decisionedded that are taking

and took us all the way to oil fields in china. the this is shang lee oil field and eastern china. documents we've acquired showed that the owner supposedly installed new energy efficient equipment that reduces the oil fields, carbon emissions by more than $250000.00 tons per year. this modern is the can was approved as an environmental protection project in germany in may or is adf colleague and badging travel to the showing the oil field to find the new equipment . so no one didn't go to the new meal which i don't the way off for communion was after throw me mr. csa has been working in this oil field for many years. he frequently travels to nearby oil wells the whole y maybe. uh, giovanni. yeah. that's what we're finding with them. again, we're not in the mail. we drove to the company that supposedly installed the new equipment. the coordinates at the headquarters for also listed in the documents. and we found, well, almost nothing. just an abandoned chicken cuz this tied in with tips we had gotten from insiders within the carbon

china sea, in the south china sea.they go about that we will work to make sure they have what they need to push spec. >> you return from haiti and as a said before we came on stage i often find we, i mean not you but we often don't pay enough attention to hotspot in her own backyard, haiti when those. seeing it is that folks the ground. it's a tragedy for the people there. do you believe haiti given the kenyan peacekeeper presence, et cetera, is on the path to a stable future? >> i was in haiti on wednesday. this is a challenging situation, very fragile but with some window of opportunity and promise to bring things to better place. going back back a number of months we had a secret situation in haiti that was massively deteriorating. you had a prime minister of haiti who had lost a sense of legitimacy among the population, and since then you've had a transition in haiti. he said he establishment of a new presidency council. you had the appointment of a new prime minister and you had the deployment out about 400 kenyan

china, or investors in china who are investing and export the manufacturing they've been doing. and, and going to other countries like paying the days get um and, and, and, and, and indeed, been showing are near shoring to mexico and things like that. so we've seen a, a significant rise, and in this pre dates the pandemic. we dates from that as a rise in those kinds of exports going to the united states. now, the question is, the republicans have already raised the alarm about, well, you know, increased export imports coming from mexico. what's their provenance? are they coming from companies that are connected to china and those companies then might be cut off. so the geo politics again, creates a, a kind of uncertainty where because of this deal political risk, there's this move towards the coupling and the web, the nice ation of trade in the name of national security. or because the united states wants to deal with these border problem, or whether it's drug prices or less for that back to tell us that, that i saw you shaking your head on a certain points, the red and nodding

it is china right now? it is extraordinary - china right now?aordinary because china right now? it is i extraordinary because if china right now? it is - extraordinary because if you listen to my five or am i sex the parliamentary intelligence committee or others in the know, they are straightforward and described china as a threat. that it tries to undermined our economic and national interests and you look at the cyber attacks is made on our institutions, you look at the way it has broken the agreement after agreement with us and you look at the way and it is perhaps the best thing to come out of this embarrassing saga, the way it's united front department which is part of the communist party machine described by mao as one of the most important ways of dealing with the world that he had which has the job of actually infiltrating people into other side a dutch society is to influence them. it is rather more sophisticated than old—fashioned espionage but it is tricky stuff and i find difficult to understand how the government can go on in this

david perdue ambassador to china over outsourcing jobs to china.g deal after this interview with bret baier. watch. >> senator david perdue bragged under oath about how he spent most of his career outsourcing american jobs to china. he operated fact factories in commerce in china in cooperation with the chinese communist party. he should explain that on the record. your chance, senator. >> we did exactly that in 2014 and elected by 8 points. we did it again in this election and elected by 2. this election is made by a young man never created one job in his life. i have created tens of thousands of american jobs in my career. >> aishah: m.k., bloomberg is taking this further saying that, you know they might be extending an olive branch to china instead of doing what trump promised on the campaign trail of being tough on china. >> tough questions how he would deal with china. also interesting to me how much the republican coalition has changed since 2014. and 2014, that kind of thing wouldn't trip you up. it's a much more populist coalition. you see

success with china as we mentioned. what have you learned about why that's the useful way to go? we keep hearing at the arms control association questions about a trilateral framework and if you could elaborate on what has been learned through this process over the last four years? jon: i would say these are very different countries and very different contexts and capabilities and i think different doctrines within those countries. our sense has been it's better, more likely to be constructed and more likely to pursue those conversations bilaterally and the approach we've sought in this administration and we've made modest progress with one of them and taken a number of significant steps back because of russian policy, not ours, with the other. daryl: i think we have time for a couple more questions. why don't we end on this one, and i promise you this is not one we planted in the audience as an n.g.o. but given that arms control become more technical, what role do you think the public and nongovernment organizations ca

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and china, u.s. and china or do we focus on use china coordination on charges in their country.i don't think we landed on one. i think we need to continue to probe where there's more opportunity. but it was certainly a theme of our conversations. i mentioned on that note we did do some conversations and workshops looking at international institutions aside, on now track two can be made more effective in this new environment. and one of the observations we heard on each side is that sometimes track two is more productive when focus a multilateral issues as opposed to bilateral issues which are simply too contentious. or when he third party is brought into the conversation. i think triangulating and thinking about conversation, bilateral relations in a broader context, might be a common thread here. i do want to open up to our audience. call on the men first. no. [laughing] icbs of the question back you. >> my name is roger and i'm an editorial contributor on technology policy for the hill newspaper. recently posted an op-ed entitled is it time for u.s.-china -- for those who don'

religion funding china is represented. cuz this is on the whole thing to take all the codes, the cd lay to get you something close by. with a 100 look on the top cushion, he will finish the microphone or some home to inside of the city of trent. joe, you will fight are religious sites, almost every states christianity. buddhism go is some confusion need some is some more all co exist here. just if let me community dates back to the 7th century and the oldest most can, china is located here. even the long last the religion of many keys has left its mark. the only set you of many can be found in the suburbs of check joe, the thing chiron. temple of who decides in the city center. you can even find statues of seem to come under, keep like on schools thing. the 13th century triangle was as diverse religions, an emergence from all over the wall. it was less modern day, new york. it was the growth, mary time trade center during the summer, a new going to n s t. it's hard to say whether on road is more open now than it was 700, a

are germany's carbon schemes and their potential loopholes common knowledge across china. could so many different companies be using the same trick? our colleagues from d d s page in 0 went to visit some of the companies mentioned in the documents. at the 1st address, we were suppose to find a power distribution company, which supposedly submitted to projects. our search, let us to the 5th floor. what's the georgia tech of homes, so need to know how much you live in going see power the drum sigma a single. i'm a single mother, male male. the next company. uh, thing. see to number 3. yeah, and we don't i oh, don't use the of the projects that are not eligible companies but seemingly don't exist. things get more and more mysterious. then the plot thickens. the german environment agency received a letter from a chinese company. we have a copy, it claims that another company called beijing carbon new energy technology, had filed 5 projects and it's name. without its knowledge, let alone consent. more over it states, beijing carbon had erroneous lee altered data. there was a hi