russia and: between china, who was more involved in advising him on issues dealing with the u.s.? mr. thae: i do not think china or russia is advising kim jong-un on that matter. he is advised by his close associates. rep. torres: yet china is very dependent on the workers. korea.workers from north mr. thae: yes. rep. torres: how can it be china is not advising him on how to deal with the u.s.? i do not think the chinese have any kind of diplomatic instrument which can change the thought of kim jong-un. that chinamon fact is exercising the double standard, the approach on north korea. on one hand, china is keeping its obligation with united nations sanctions. but on the other hand, it is opening the possibilities for north korea to fund its program by importing a lot of north korean laborers to their country. smuggling, private traders, small companies, do you have an idea of who they are and how we can in the u.s. policy, impact that i -- that activity? mr. thae: that is a matter of a chinese decision. we should continue to tell the chinese government that the north korean nuclear threat is not only a threat to a

to have that global threshold of china or russia and then to put you on your guard with that leads to is is less clear or those consequences. so with that famous russian attack on the story of. it was quite dramatic at the time. so the problem with a lot of these things. is to have those consequences so take the ukraine with the hybrid war that seems to be at play with russia. so a lot of people get killed so the violence is very much a part of this. so what good has it done? nobody looking at this has any doubt. is from what has been shot down. and with those problems of welfare. with one stupid period after another. but there is a whole collection of independent civilians. to disprove this is it is still there. this is the issue is still with us. so to recognize that difficulty but don't operate that. invented think that will catch us flatfooted. >> also agreed to the history of the cold war, to me it signals to talk about that information with the ability over the long term with that type of information control. so with that current debate with russian politics?. >> with the enormo

and the us was because we saw a world of these growing non-liberal economies and powers like china or russia, others, and didn't necessarily wanna have the kind of liberal open economic order that have created and we in the europeans felt that if we don't do this, the rules will be set by china. - there are all these fake and false accusations that it will take jobs out. on the contrary, we're not doing this to take jobs out of people. we are no so stupid. we are doing this because we believe that these kind of treaties will help to create jobs. - [narrator] free trade between eu member states has helped raise living standards for the eu's 500 million people. with just seven percent of the world's population, the eu has created nearly a quarter of global gdp. - as an economic block with out a doubt, it has been a force for good in the sense that it's increased trade, it's increased economic growth potentially and so on. - it's been without 45 million inhabitants. that's a good market, but is better 500 million which is a whole european union. - the eu enlargement has coincided with the trans

cuban spying at universities, and -- which is an interesting subject because it's different from china or russia because there are not a huge number of cuban students in the u.s. hardly any because of the political sort of tensions between the two countries and other reasons. and cuba uses other means. there's american students who are very -- still very romantic.castro regime, and they sympathize with the ideologically, and particularly from puerto rico because puerto rico, the independence movement there looks up to cuba as an example of a lie lean that has stayed independent and has stood up to the out. so i tell the story of two young women, both of puerto rican background, and one 0 them, whose name was marta velÁzquez, recruited the other, annabelle to work for cuban intelligence when the were grad students at johns hopkins university any school for advanced international studies. montez rose to the buy up in defense intelligence agency as a cuba analyst and had a big say in our cuba policy before she was caught and speed guilty to espionage and sentenced to 25 years in prison and is in pr

what they said is the united states military is at high risk to win a war against china or russia.hat's a staggering statement reflective of the budget cuts we've had for years. kristin: a lack of manpower, lack of money and it really echoes something that senator john mccain said back in september. let's play it. >> perhaps the greatest harm to our national security and our military a day. every one of our leaders, military uniform has had because of what we've done with the so-called sequestration has put the lives of our service members at greater risk. don't we have an obligation not to do that? >> defense secretary said the exact same thing. happening at a time when the defendants laid now more than ever with threats from north korea and how big of a threat towards national security? >> a serious one as i mentioned it. what is happening is the funding that congress is just up to defense authorization act in unintended but its $100 billion over what obama forecasted, so it's almost the $700 trillion budget. here's the catch and nobody's talking about it. a serious an issue that

january 8. >> that's right. >> who between russia and china, who do you think is more involved in advising him on issues dealing with the u.s.? >> i don't think china or russia is advising kim jong-un on that matter. he is advised by his close associates. >> yet china is very dependent on workers, and, from north korea. >> yes. >> so how could it be that china is not advising him on had to deal with the u.s.? >> i mean, advice, i don't think the chinese has any kind of, you know, the diplomatic instrument which can change the thought of kim jong-un. and also it is common effect that china is exercising the double standard, the approach of north korea on one hand. china is keeping its obligation with united nations sanction, but on the other end it is also opening the possibilities for north korea to fund its program by importing a lot of north korean levers to the country. >> smuggling, private traders, small companies. do you have an idea of who they are and how we can as a u.s. policy impact that activity? >> i think that is the matter of the chinese decision. i think we should continue to convince chinese government that north korean nuclear threat

>> judge napolitano: china or russia. is there a telephonic relationship who's helping north korea? >> melissa: the pakistanis built the north korean program. >> judge napolitano: who built this icbm? the one they sent off yesterday. it's almost inconceivable they did it on their own without us knowing. >> harris: what you are talking about are the markings we have known for a while that are there from other countries. we know this around the world, that russia has had its hands tied with other countries weaponry. >> katie: the first priority of the president of the united states, no matter who it is, protects the country. it's now a viable threat that the president will have to question of himself and his administration. i we going to live the with the threat? the answer will probably be absolutely not. based on the gap between how china and u.s. plan to handle north korea and the fact that china doesn't want to institute more economic sanctions on north korea because they don't want to deal with the humanitarian fallout of what that would mean from the regime, and they also do wan

differences we have with the europeans about privacy pale in comparison to the differences we have with russia or china. so, i hope the europeans will be a part of the conversation as well. >> i find it fascinating because the russians, god bless them, they are saying, why are americans anti-russian? well, don't interfere in our elections and we won't be

position does not appear to be forthcoming from china or russia from the united nations mike hanna reports. for the ninth time this year the security council gathers to discuss yet another crisis centered on north korea an emergency session called for by the u.s. japan and south korea and a grave warning from the french representative this test is another confirmation that the north korean threat has changed dramatically in a few months both in scope and scale the threat is shifted from being regional to global. the u.s. ambassador makes a direct plea to china to place greater economic pressure on its ally and neighbor we need china to do more president trot called chinese president xi this morning and told him that we have come to the point that china must cut off the oil from north korea that would be a pivotal step in the world's effort to stop this international pariah but no such pledge from china instead it called again on the u.s. to explore a freeze for free scenario in which north korea would slow its missile program if the u.s. and south korea lowered their military posture on th

when you think of a sophisticated state actor such as china or russia, your companies can't stand up in the united states and otherwise we americans will not have any more privacy. samira hussain is in new york. i wonder if these companies want to work with the nsa? they are facing a gruelling, for some of them this is not the first time they have faced a grilling for their performance after the hack was made public. there is not much they could say, that's right you have heard a lot of apologies from both yahoo and echo fa cts , apologies from both yahoo and echo facts, both companies say we worked with law enforcement officials when we first learned of these hacks and we first learned of these hacks and we will continue to do so. in fact the former head of equifax, mr smith, had said i think there needs to be some more cooperation between public and private in terms of trying to secure people's data. in terms of how that would proceed, do these people on capitol hill have a power to force the big companies to do it, or do theyjust ask? a power to force the big companies to do it, o

nobody knows which year. >> who between russia and china, who do you think is more involved in advising him on issues dealing with the u.s.? >> i don't think china or russia is advising kim jong-un on that matter. he is advised by his close associates. >> yet, china is very dependent on workers and -- from north korea. >> yes. >> so how can it be that china is not avissing him on how to deal with the u.s.? >> oh, i mean, we advice is that -- i don't think that the chinese have any kind of -- the diplomatic instrument which can change the thought of kim jong-un... how we can impact that activity? >> i think that is a matter of a chinese decision. i think we should continue to convince the chinese government that north korea's nuclear threat is not only a threat to america but it could be a threat to china so i think we would continue to convince the chinese government to stop north korea's nuclearization and if the chinese are convinced than they will take effective measures to stop and crackdown. >> your time has expired. we have got to go to joe wilson from south carolina. >> thank you mr. chairman and ambassador thae a appreciate your courage on

not quite sure how we would get the denuclearization or china severing or russia severing all ties. but he put it out there. >> but certainly in terms of the kinds of speech this president has given, it was certainly more traditional in the foreign policy -- >> it was. and the ambiguity was part of that because he went as far as he should have gone. he offered some possibility of diplomatic resolution to this, regardless of the terms he laid down would be ones they would accept. he left vague but menacing what the other options were. i guess the other thing on his speech was the plug for his golf course -- but he was fairly serious and fairly disciplined. >> and he's been fairly serious and blustery in terms of his rhetoric around this before, the fire and fury. he called him a little rocket man before the u.n. the question is what's the deliverable? like what is he actually going to do? is he going to actually be able to move the ball forward in a way that previous administrations haven't been able to do? so far it has been rhetoric. this is really a discipline speech. i'm sure he

worried that his conversations might have been picked up on a government-authorized wiretap or perhaps by russia or china. mr. kushner has been increasingly cautious with how he communicates, even with friends. jeff, do you get a sense that john kelly might be doing jared a favor by keeping him out of the public eye because of this russia investigation? how to you read all this? >> it's a fair question. john kelly and others in the white house are rightly concerned, that kushner's roll or interest by the special prosecutor puts him in a unique position. everything he may be saying and is discussed is something potentially the special prosecutor could ask about. they've clearly taken steps to address that. that may be separate or related to the fa kt that jared kushner's profile has come down in the white house. certainly some of the projects that he has been working on are less high profile than they were at the very beginning. and he doesn't have the same sort of ability to weigh in on lots of different high-profile aspects of the administration. so, it sounds like they probably are related but the kush

such as china or russia your companies cannot stand up against them. . . . [inaudible]on on. [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] thank you senator. a couple of different things. first, your point that we have to work together is absolutely right. i think we need to work with industry and government to tackle this problem. there's data security data breach legislation, legislation should all of the security teams to understand that security is instead a, sorry changing. the tools are getting better, the intelligence were gathering is changing so were trying to improve our security systems to improve and keep up. >> that's a good intention. but, it's going to take more. it's going to take an attitude change among companies such as yours that we have got to go to extreme limits to protect our customers privacy. mr. smith, you all hold a lot of financial guillotine over a lot of your customers by virtue of what your credit rating is. so if your date is not protected house were to buy house and he's got it ready and has the down payment and that he cannot get a mortgag

it talkingt assumed about korea or iran or russia or china ator places -- times -- that collaborates and still tries to tear down democracy in building those forces of intolerance and of war. my view of president nixon was college.en i was in and when i took my civil service 1962, andh was in entered the kennedy administration, he was still famous as the vice president. he was famous as having lost the election against jack kennedy, who was treated as a hero, and his personal flaws, which were , which were forgiven because he was so eloquent. participated in the anti-communist hearings in including the movie industry in this area. navy. before that in the he was a lawyer and then he ran for governor. when i was at berkeley, he run for governor. the name governor nixon make people laugh. government,ed the and that is still my vocation in look forg, you have to what calls you to action with passion. what passions get you to working. and to take responsibility? the word responsibility means you are responding to a call. andall is to public service possibly to teaching, which i have done

able to deter any country from ever launching that kind of trike us whether it's north korea or russia or china or-near nuclear power. that's so important that president trump largely succeeded on his trip to eric last week to put more pressure on kim young unnot to use those nuclear weapons in. >> in non-retaliatory situation you're okay in the way the system works? >> it's never been the policy of the united states to renounce the first use of nuclear weapons. it wasn't president obama's policy either. i hope that we never have to employ our nuclear weapons. but in a non-retaliatory situation, sure, a president has hours or days to make a considered deliberate decision that is why he has joint chiefs and commanders and strategic command. >> dickerson: senator cotton, thank you so much. >> thank you, john. dickerson: the debate over sexual harassment moved into the halls of congress after california democratic congresswoman jockey speier went public with her own experience of unwand sexual advances as a young capitol hill staffer. speier's revelation inspired leann tweed tone come forward with

or russia or china or these kids the nobody can suddenly decide the u.k. can't arbitrarily decide we don't have to be responsible we don't know if it's silly to say looking at people's actions and seeing where anything wrong is not worth it right these disturbing that's our entire justice system is based on the idea of looking at we doing keeping an eye it's just strange to me back when the clinton administration the us initially signed into the international criminal courts but it was never ratified so that was when they go to the other concerns it's that it would be used unfairly to prosecute us that isn't always it's a very is this is what this is why you have to watch this is this means you're a warmonger if you go i'm not going to be part of an in a world wide criminal justice system to keep everyone in check because we might get caught doing something bad. that's not a good place to do that. is not a good players book. the u.s. can claim but just because they're not part of the courts that they can't be prosecuted oh that's ridiculous that's like me

the fact that russia tried to interfere in our democracy. >> yeah, i think the ambassador is right. all of these dictators, all of these strong men, whether it's in north korea, china or in russia are sort of analyzing, how can this new american president without a whole lot of experience in these types of things be manipulated and moved around in a way they find beneficial. one thing that the trump side has been saying is, look, we just want to move beyond this because we have important issues like north korea, as you mentioned, to deal with and we need people like russia to help us. that is a complete -- i think when you talk about showing strength, we don't need russia to solve these problems. we don't need -- as trump said, we don't need russia's help in solving ukraine. russia is the problem in ukraine. what needs to happen to show strength, as the ambassador indicated, whatever despot you're talking about, we don't need russia to solve these problems. we might need china with some of the north korean stuff, but you can't say let's engage and be happy. that's what vladimir putin is hoping will happen. in fact one of the strongest messages to send to vladimir puti

worried that his conversations might have been picked up on a government authorized wiretap, or perhaps by russia or china. mr. kushner has become increasingly cautious about how he communicates, even with friends. what do you think is is actually going on here? do you think that john kelly might be helping jared by by keeping him out of the public eye because of the investigation, how do you see this? >> here's what i think. i think that there are varying competing factions within any administration or for that matter amongst any politician, to have influence amongst the principle, in this case, the president. and i think that this is a situation where jared kushner has some influence in certain issues. he had a lot of influence during the campaign, and to to, you know, when you look at comments that jared kushner has made publicly he's said that he's had to become more of a specialist, so to speak, since president trump has taken office. i would quickly just pivot back to a point that melanie made about what's going on in alabama, and i'd also raise the issue about how democrats in particular have had t

when you think of a sophisticated state actor, such as china or russia, your companies cannot stand up against them. the only person or institution that can stand up against them is the national security agency. and what we are going to see in the future, not only personally identifiable information, but the state secrets of our country. many of which are critical infrastructure, as represented by companies such as yours. there is going to be cooperation between the most sophisticated player in the united states, which is the nsa. and you all. otherwise, we, americans, will not have any more privacy. if we do not do something and if you all do not do something to change this, we are going to be right back here on additional hearings coming up on this same topic. ms. mayer, what do you think? you had a sophisticated state actor coming after you. how do you really think you could have protected yourself? ms. mayer: even robust defenses and processes are not sufficient to protect against a state-sponsored attack, especially one that is sophisticated and persistent. we at yahoo! cooperated

and when you look at how the media or press is suppressed in places like russia or china, and then toee him apparently resonate with that, and do the same thing here, is very -- it's dangerous and disturbing. >> cosign on it. i'm glad you mentioned russia because russian president vladimir putin signed a new law mandating that some foreign media outlets be listed as foreign agents. russian officials say they're just responding to the u.s., saying the russian state tv, rt, right? but russia doesn't have a free press. >> exactly. >> so what are the implications in this move? >> well, it's the same old same old in a place like russia or china. in fact right now china is undergoing one of its most repressive put downs of human rights since 25 years ago. and the way they suppress access to the internet. and so the implications for these countries -- the implication for me is i don't want the united states to become -- you know, fall in that pattern. that is very disturbing. >> i found it interesting that the president was tweeting about cnn international. and i guess now since he's traveli

china from the other side they and nouns they have different positions towards the united states reaction to to deal. if they follow this position and the standard that as the commissioner of the e.u. mentioned or russia and china in different occasions announced their position in such circumstances you know i think it will be ashamed of for its own position and nobody follows its policies toward this the earlier france hinted that the you could discuss new sanctions against iran over its missile ballistic program how does that go along with the european backing of the nuclear deal. til now what the european union and nouns is supporting that the supporting that the has two different parts one side is encouraging iran to be committed for the deal. and the second part is they commitments to. lift the sanctions. practically yes they have voted for lifting the sanctions. this is the point in other war if iran feels that this deal has a benefit for iran definitely it's because. if not really not be committed this is the point. this supreme leader of iran said that using national currencies instead of the u.s. dollar will make iran and its partners immune to sanctions do you think that's a way out of the s

talk about the international community it's too general of a time because as you know perhaps russia or china wasn't dot and c.z. asked the american or the western lot after it's in iraq or he in libya and syria so let's be more specific here do you see the west and i fully understand your point and i would try to answer the best they can. when any talk i don't want to be naive and i'm not that if i can assure you when we talk about the international community of course we are talking about. the count trees that have the power and many of the causes and this is something that a lot of countries so it's up to them to discuss i mean you money have to take care of people and when i call. and when they could too. of the people we need this is part of my my duty is but then at the same time i do advocate and to call for action so i will calm any initiative that brings to the dialogue or being too new policies included the rush through the usa this is i don't make anything of this variances on these aspect because when that when the people is suffering any person involved in the international dialo

do you think the philippines is eyeing the united states more or still more pro-china or pro-russia? >> i think what you saw before president trump took office was a united states that was in a place it had never been in the philippines. at one point, filipinos liked the u.s. government more than the americans did. but now with this personal relationship between the two men, i think the u.s. in terms of policy making, in terms of defense now stands a chance against china and russia. because what you're seeing, you're seeing this the leaders of both china and russia here now, right? you're seeing a tussle for who can provide the most. and in that way, you go back to trump unashamedly saying we're america first. and in a way, these leaders are saying we want our countries first, but we can take you along with us, maybe. >> fascinating times. thank you for your insight. we'll hope to keep you around and continue to get some of that insight. thank you so much for joining us. and so cyril, clearly ea very interesting meeting between these two men. human rights perhaps not talked about as

directly said russia did interfere in the election and he made remarks about it could have been russia or china or anybody. most people hope he would say russia did interfere in the election. the question will likely follow him here to the philippines, the last stop on the five-day-trip to asia where he will mead with a contentious president. we will watch all of this and keep you updated on anything that happens. >> kaitlyn collins in manila. two intel chiefs are firing back on russia's election meddling. on state of the union with jake tapper, the former national intelligence director responded to the president's earlier comment that he believes vladimir putin's election meddling denials. both men believe president trump is being played by putin. >> what message do you think president trump is accepteding to vladimir putin right now in terms of russia's continued attempts to interfere in elections in europe and potentially in the united states again? >> i think what he is doing is saying to vladimir putin we need to put this behind us because there is important work to be done. i agree. we ne

kushner's part that his conversations might have been picked biep government authorized wiretaps or russia or chinahow much is the russia probe reducing his role, or does it have anything to do with that? >> well, it certainly puts a shadow over him at that point. you heard people say inside the white house that john kelly would think that it'd be good for jared kushner and ivanka trump to go back to new york by the end of the career. now, he's denied that when we asked him about it last week. but three other people in the white house say he's expressed that opinion. ask i think it tells you this russia probe does hangover them. they're worried about where it's going to lead. and you can tell this caution he exhibits in terms of communicating with friends via phone or other means function in part of the were ey about the life he's leading right now. where he's got government investigators looking at his activity, and russia and other maligned actors in the world trying to get inside this white house through espionage and sooon. so it's a different role than he expected when he first arrived. >> fir

the approach that what are you going to do about this situation and without direct talks or without china and russia getting involved and facilitating north and south korea reaching a separate agreement on the side which is being discussed these days we are going to be left with the u.s. lobbying its labels of terrorism over because at that point it justifies the further isolation one would argue it justifies a type of dehumanizing of a country to the. that it might support military action going forward so we have to be careful and aware of that but hopefully it can lead to some solutions and some talks and perhaps the u.s. is looking for another thing to trade off in these talks but really it isn't about state sponsored terror at this point it's about in action on the international community to force the u.s. and north korea to sit down at the table finally yeah i mean if we look back in time it was two thousand and eight wasn't it when north korea was removed off list in a bid to salvage nuclear talks you know talking about diplomacy here but we haven't really seen that half way from the trumpet m

was one where they were all sitting around near the end saying half of the still not involved russia or china and the united states and i think held by and something and no one knew no one was sure how to actually stop what triggered it well that's if nuclear war does start. i think the same will be true i don't believe although there are some truly. worrying disturbing and possibly insane people. in charge of strategic weapons i don't believe that any of them wants to blow themselves up yeah . i mean north korea no doubt is following a very clear strategy that it's only by having nuclear weapons but we will not be attacked it's the madden it's the mad theory of war that has become the madman the survey of for yes but there's a lot to that are we poking him to kind of poking north korean can join him to justify that encircled moment of china you know to give it that kind of prieto we have to worry about north korea and that the meantime so nobody knows that we're kind of moving this military machine but it it's north korea is used america's dominance that the world needs it from madmen certai

worried that his conversations may have been picked unon the government-authorized wiretap or perhaps by russia or china, mr. kushner has become increasingly cautious about how he communicates, even with friends. so do you think there's any sense, kimberly, that john kelly might actually be doing gerald a favor by keeping him oupt of the public eye right now because of the russia investigation? how do you read this? >> yeah. i think that's one definite way to read this. overall, with the exception of the statement he made before being questioned by congressional investigators, jared kushner has not been very outspoken about this investigation compared to other people kwhof given interviews or given public statements or tw t tweeted. as lawyer, i think that's a terrible idea when you're under investigation to be giving all of these extrajudicial statements and jared kushner overall hasn't done that. so it may be helpful there for him in that sense. but i think at the end of the day, it may be very well that jared kushner does not have as public a role in the white house has he did before and he may not h

talk about the international community it's too general of a time because as you know perhaps russia or china wasn't dot and c.z. asked about the american or the western lot after it's in iraq or he in libya and syria so let's be more specific here do you see the west and i fully understand your point and i would try to answer the best they can. when i talk i don't want to be naive and i'm not that if i can assure you when we talk about international community of course we are talking about. the count trees that have the power and that many of the causes and this is something that involve a lot of counties so it's up to them to discuss and you money have to take care of people and when i call. and when they could too. all of the people we need this is part of my duty is but then at the same time i had to advocate and to call for action so i will calm any initiative that bring to the dialogue or bring to new policies included the rush owing to the usa this is i don't make anything of these variances on this aspect because when that when the people is suffering any person involved in the intern

talk about the international community it's too general of a time because as you know perhaps russia or china wasn't dot and c.z. asked the american or the western lot after it's in iraq or he in libya or in syria so let's be more specific here do you see the western i fully understand your point and i would try to answer the best they can. when they when they talk i don't want to be naive. and i'm not i if i can assure you when we talk about international community of course we are talking about. the count trees that have the power and that many of the causes and this is something that involve a lot of countries so it's up to them to discuss i mean you money have to take care of people and when i call. and when they could too. all of the people we need this is part of my duty is but then at the same time i had to advocate and to call for action so i will calm any initiative that brings to the dialogue or bring to new policies included the rush owing to the usa this is i don't make anything of this variances on this aspect because when that when the people is suffering any person involved in

talk about the international community it's too general of a time because as you know perhaps russia or china wasn't dot and c.z. asked about the american or the western lot after it's in iraq or in libya or in syria so let's be more specific here do you see do western i fully understand your point and i would try to answer the best they can. when they when they talk i don't want to be naive. and i'm not i if i can assure you when we talk about international community of course we are talking about. the count trees that have the power and that many of the causes and this is something that involve a lot of countries so it's up to them to discuss i mean you money have to take care of people and when i call. and when i take. all of the people we need this is part of my duty is but then at the same time i had to advocate and to call for action so i will calm any initiative that brings to the dialogue or bring to new policies included the rush owing to the usa this is i don't make anything of these variances on this aspect because when that when the people is suffering any person involved in the i

and this mandate isn't given then they could lay the blame on this party for example if it is russia or chinawho could. or who would use their veto right so suddenly we realize that or actually it's easy to realize that all of those countries or those parties want from this is to keep pressure is to keep diplomatic pressure they don't care much for the syrian people or they are suffering other wise they wouldn't have been interfered in the first place in the way they did is an example of that the you know just i think just very recently be you now i'm talking about today says it's considering new sanctions against syria in the wake of this report is that an example of the pressure you're talking about. there's been pressure on longer way and if you visit damascus like for example i do you or any other part of syria that is on the government controlled let alone those that are outside government control people are really suffering because of these sanctions but what is important for these countries is to keep themselves in the game and you know they probably believe that if we amount more pres

could have been russia. or china. or lots of other people. would have been somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pound, okay? if we got along well, that would be good. if russia and the united states got along well be intent after isis, that would be good. >> on top of that, we know now multiple trump campaign officials jumped at the chance to work with russian proxies behind the scenes, including the president's son who was eager to collect russian government dirt on hillary clinton, george p. agents before the inauguration, meeting that is in every case, they either neglected to disclose or forgot about. joining me now is an esteemed panel of experts. nick actorman, former assistant special watergate prosecutor. natasha richard and malcolm nance, a former career u.s. intelligence officer. >> let's start with just the condition septemb concept of the term. it's become the term that everyone throws around. collusion. it's the term they deny, be it has no specific legal meaning. >> the only legal means it could possibly have the conspir

china and russia as major players. russia cannot necessarily win anything. they don't have a big enough military or strong economy. they insert themselves within every situation and create chaos. china is doing what they do best. they are business people and are making sure they have infrastructure all over the world. they are making sure they have a stance. the u.s. needs to be above that. we need to make sure we are watching our threats, me to make sure we lead in every aspect and we have to be true to who we are as americans. >> dr. rice? rice: i would agree completely. whereeally glad you are you are where you are. ambassador, you are doing a terrific job. i think that grace jo gave us the testimony that we need at the core of what we're talking about here. i do want to say, i think the threats are more complex, more difficult. the nature of social media makes it more difficult than when i was there or when madeleine albright was there. we also need to recognize that the united states has done this before. it could not have looked as if we were going to get to 1989, 1990 and 1991 when the soviet union collapsed

the president has been done here, that the focus is not going to be on south korea or japan or china but on russia. you were with me back in the summer when he was heelolding te meeting with president putin elsewhere. it was order of all consuming. will president trump press vladimir putin on this cyber hacking, russian interference, how does that conversation unfold? that was what i was told then. this time it's going focus on how russia can help combat the threat coming out of pyongyang. that said, you've got the backdrop now everything russia related back home. so it's going to set up a really interesting conversation, if you will or at least coverage around the conversation. >> halle jackson, crystal clear as ever despite doing late duty in tokyo. let's bring in barbara mcquaid. what does it tell you that no charges have been filed despite the fact that the investigative team has enough evidence to do so? >>. >> reporter: it could mean that michael flynn is correspondenting or he's being givening a important to cooperate. we had manafort indicted last week -- so you can imagine a similar charg