corcoran drafted and christina bobb signed, in which they said, we don't have any more classified documents here, and lo and behold, months later, the search was executed, and we learned that there were actually dozens more classified documents at mar-a-lago since. >> i would say, implicit in that for him, david, to go with the crime fraud exception, he must believe to some extent at that at the time, christina bobb knew that what she was signing was false, and therefore, compelling that lawyer to come forward. we know that donald trump, he likes to hide behind his privilege, whether attorney-client privilege or executive privilege, it's something that he constantly place. this would be a massive setback and make him legally vulnerable. >> i think this just shows how aggressive jack smith is being. he's pursuing both of the investigations very aggressively, not being differential to corcoran or christina bobb, essentially saying that i suspect you are participating in crimes. they are all very dramatic developments, including pushing for the testimony of pence. >> how much do you think jack

that's not great work, christina bobb. now he's pushing to have corcoran testify again to come back for the grand jury. prosecutors filed a sealed motion to try and wave corcoran 's attorney client privilege with trump. they are asking the federal judge to invoke what is known as the crime fraud exception. is nbc news reports, they are allowed to promote that rare exception because, quote, prosecutors allege that they have evidence some of trump's conversations with corcoran were in furtherance of a crime. smith's prosecutors are arguing that surely client privilege should be waived for the testimony they're seeking because they think donald trump, the ex president, was talking to his lawyer about doing some crimes. despite this kind of exception being pretty, where it's already happened to another one of trump's lawyers. if this sounds familiar. back in october with jerry's's committee was seeking emails from trump's coup lawyer, john eastman, a judge ruled, look to the evidence and ruled that the crime fraud exception ap

we know christina bobb has caveated to death and oblivion. she's been before the grand jury.know that she was she wasn't attesting to the truth. we know they found a whole bunch of stuff. we know there was stuff everywhere, the fbi knew exactly where it was. don't we know that donald trump obstructed the investigation into classified documents at mar-a-lago? >> everything you say is right, and don't kid yourself in the last few years, you've earned several times over, but what we don't know, and it's a potential pristine and killer piece of evidence, what did trump tell you before you signed that document saying we'd done a diligent search and turned everything up. if the real answer is he wasn't involved, that's one piece of evidence that smith doesn't have. if on the other hand, it's he said just tell him this, i don't care whether it's true or not, now, you have just a terrific piece of evidence that has to come from the mouth of the lawyer in front of the jury. that specific piece, nicolle is not, we don't know one way or the other yet, and it could be killer. >> frank fi

at that time the donald another donald trump lawyer, christina bobb signed a statement swearing that they conducted what they called a diligent search. that was their phrase, a diligent search. for all government documents in donald trump's possession at his florida home. that statement was written by evan corcoran and that statement proved to be false. six weeks later, the fbi executed a search warrant at the same property where the trump lawyers swore in writing there were no more documents in and the fbi found more than 100 additional classified documents and several hundred additional government documents that were illegally in donald trump's possession. the search warrant used by the fbi that day said there was, quote, probable cause to believe that evidence of obstruction of justice would be found. the new york times reports tonight it was also not immediately clear whether the justice department suspects misconduct by mr. corcoran and mr. trump, by mr. trump and others, or by mr. trump alone. so, the big news of the night is that jack smith is telling a federal judge that he s

and finally, donald trump, attorney christina bobb is out with her book, stealing your vote. the insights story of the 2020 election and what it means for 2024. former trump white house adviser steve bannon wrote the foreword for this book. now, also, each week, national publications published their reviews of newly released books. here's a sampling. the washington times reviewed former secretary of state mike pompeo new memoir. never give an inch fighting for the america i love. according to the times, the book offers much insight on policy as well as references to mr. pompeo's faith. citations from the bible. details of his time in the trump administer nation plus thoughtful analysis of overseas threats. and according to the times, pompeo has not lost his of humor. naming one section of his book, the nine the press my scalp, publishers weekly took a look at a new memoir from publishing veteran steve rubin, who spent years at random house and mcmillan. the book is titled words and music confessions of an optimist. quote this behind the scenes lo is combined with a unexpected

. >> reporter: jake smith is also collecting information, including trump's own attorney, christina bobbe. i don't believe there was any down there. >> reporter: and evan cork ran, who told the national archives last summer that trump had no additional classified material. adding to the list is robert o'brien, and his vice president, mike pence. >> i hope the justice department understands the magnitude, the very idea of indicting a former president of the united states. i think that would be terribly divisive. >> reporter: trump's lawyer told me they will try to block testimony from pence and other trump advisers by asserting executive privilege. it's unclear exactly how successful they will be, but that will likely delay the investigation for weeks or even months. jake? >> paula reed, thank you so much. i want to bring in former federal prosecutor and c nn analyst elie honig. how does this judge go about deciding which parts of the grand jury's work he will publicly release on thursday? >> so, jake, any time you are talking about releasing grand jury information, that's inherently sens

he was the lawyer who told christina bobb saying they handed over all documents to the archives and complied with the presidential records act when in fact we found from the search in august of mar-a-lago that that wasn't the case. bobb took the step to add a clause next to her signature to the best of my knowledge all of these documents have been turned over. what jack smith wants to know is was there a conversation between evan corcoran and former president donald trump. that is at the heart of the investigation when you're looking at trump's handling of classified documents might have been different from other people who have had classified documents go back to their private residences. we know that what jack smith has been looking into is whether or not there was obstruction, whether or not there was espionage, and whether or not there was actually something that could be charged here criminally, not just that it was a violation of the presidential records act, and so what this shows us is, a, jack smith is aggressive. he's using this to show he wants the judge to say that they cannot ke

and did evan corcoran give instruction to christina bobb when she signed that statement back in june? who is overseeing it and what information did they know? does it all come back to donald trump in the end? or was someone else, was it boris epstein who went rogue and was trying to convey false information? that's what the doj has to nail down. they have to have clarity before they decide to pull the trigger and proceed in indictment. >> do you think this represents a newly aggressive stance on the part of special counsel jack smith when it concerns mar-a-lago. because of this moral around trump, some folks thought that smith might be backing off. do you think that's all a consideration anymore? >> no, i never thought that was a consideration or what i thought it was appropriate. if there's merit to the special counsel's case in any criminal liability for anybody with respect to president biden, that should pursue its own track and the same thing goes for former president vice president vice like that's. donald trump as his own criminal exposure, and exposure to his lawyers, over the

what happened is corcoran drafted the statement and said to the junior attorney christina bobb sign righted little caveat based on what i've been told. they had him there for an interview already, chris, and they said, so, did you talk to trump about that, attorney/client privilege. and they've now come to the court and said we have some evidence, it's not a huge finding they have to make, but some evidence that shows this was done as part of a fraud. in other words, it was a lie and part of a crime, what crime? obstruction of justice because this is what they used to say they complied with the subpoena under penalty of perjury and they hadn't. so the fact that she's seeking trump's testimony matters and just -- it just shows like, you know, he's taking no and is really responding as he would with any other defendant. >> so help us understand where this goes now. who does it go to? how quickly might we get a decision, and then what recourse might team trump have? >> it goes to the chief judge of the d.c. district, beryl howell who's been great on this, and she kind of matters that her ten