one has to wonder, is this now -- and christopher steele, is that where this is leading to? >> the first guy that bruce ohr talks to after he meets with christopher steele is andy mccabe. called him up and then meets with him an page. all of the key people at the fbi knew what was going on before they take the dossier to the court. they knew ohr's involvement. they knew who paid for the dossier, and they knew the guy who wrote it, christopher steele, had told bruce ohr that he was desperate to stop trump. we don't believe they conveyed any of that critical

one has to wonder, is this now -- and christopher steele, is that where this is leading to? >> the first guy that bruce ohr talks to after he meets with christopher steele is andy mccabe. called him up and then meets with him an page. all of the key people at the fbi knew what was going on before they take the dossier to the court. they knew ohr's involvement. they knew the guy who wrote it, christopher steele, had told bruce ohr that was desperate to stop trump. we don't believe they conveyed any of that critical information

josh, in terms of bruce ohr, who is increasingly a messy figure in this drama we know that christopher steele and bruce ohr had a number of meetings. we now know that ohr was told by steele that the russians thought they had trump over a barrel. does it surprise you that ohr didn't go back and tell his superiors at the department of justice what he was learning? >> so i don't think we know enough about that exchange right now to make a fair assessment on what bruce ohr was or was not doing. he had a history of being involved and investigating russian organized crime. that's how he first met christopher steele. he was serving as that conduit, possibly for the government to provide this information. what i'm frayed of if we continue to chase these lines from the president where he tries to attack people, undermine their credibility, we're going to lose the forest for the trees here. i think the main focus as we talk about christopher steele is people are trying to make him out to be this boogieman, that he is some partisan who is going to campaign to destroy the president when we stop and think

it was ohr who became a back channel. 70 plus contacts of christopher steele even after he was fired for leading anti-trump leaking it to the press in this country. that means to you. it was bruce ohr who knew steele was completely bias, desperate to stop trump at all costs and that ohr wrote that steele was passionate about donald trump never being president. bruce ohr knew of the dossier was bias, would never hold up in court. he knew it was not verified or corroborated, but pushed it into the hands of strzok and even the pit bull himself andrew weissman. start with hillary clinton, her campaign. it gets to a foreign spy, foreign agent. he hates trump. gets phoney russian information. it's disseminated to you, the american people, and it gets worse from there. none of this should happen in america. yet a political campaign, the doj working together coordinating their efforts, literally to stop one candidate over another candidate. this is a humiliating smear on the country's justice. the phoney dossier hillary paid for was used as the basis of fisa warrants to spy on a trump campaig

it was ohr who became a back channel. 70 plus contacts of christopher steele even after he was fired for leading anti-trump leaking it to the press in this country. that means to you. it was bruce ohr who knew steele was completely bias, desperate to stop trump at all costs and that ohr wrote that steele was passionate about donald trump never being president. bruce ohr knew of the dossier was bias, would never hold up in court. he knew it was not verified or corroborated, but pushed it into the hands of strzok and even the pit bull himself andrew weissman. start with hillary clinton, her campaign. it gets to a foreign spy, foreign agent. he hates trump. gets phoney russian information. it's disseminated to you, the american people, and it gets worse from there. none of this should happen in america. yet a political campaign, the doj working together coordinating their efforts, literally to stop one candidate over another candidate. this is a humiliating smear on the country's justice. the phoney dossier hillary paid for was used as the basis of fisa warrants to spy on a trump campaig

you are right about bruce ohr and christopher steele. eele was on the payroll of hillary clinton and the fbi. when they fired him for being a liar, they continued to use him in connection with fbi regulations. they had bruce ohr as a conduit. the other amazing thing is, even after the president is elected, after he takes office, and for several months afterwards, they are still using christopher steele as a spy on donald trump, trying to verify the unverifiable dossier. jesse: now the big discussion is about the trump tower meeting. the allegation is that this meeting between don, jr. and this russia woman amounted to some sort of conspiracy. they don't use the word collusion. i guess the legal terminology would be conspiracy. because information is the same thing as money. i am looking at it and no information was ever give to the trump team by russia. but the hoik campaign paid for information from kremlin sources. they just washed it through an intermediary, christopher steele. isn't there a big difference between the trump tower meeti

and that's what they believe it means, paul manafort is m, christopher steele is christopher steele.nd against what is unfolding here. taxes and et cetera, finally tonight, one sign, the molar investigation could be drawing to a right. we will will talk to jay sekulow. the special counsel will respect written answers from president trump to some questions regarding the russia probe, we will ask him his attorney jay sekulow about that in a few moments, but joining us now, it is now the number one best-selling book in the country, the russian hoax, the elicits games, clearing hillary clinton, fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett and fox news contributor sara carter, welcome both of you. i want to get to the mueller issue, let's get to the latest news. so christopher steele and bruce ohr are communicating some 70 communications, sarah, between the two of them and we have to fear that steele will be exposed, the desire to keep the firewall up, and he exposes that he expects ohr to deliver messages to robert mueller's team and now we find out that andrew weissmann was the one getting the

that was christopher steele, former am i 65.'t forget, nellie ohr is the wife of bruce ohr, working on the phony russian dossier. dirt on donald trump that nobody bothered to verify. not so coincidentally, the fbi was also paying christopher steele. they later fired him for lying and leaking in the rush investigation. now we know bruce ohr had his dirty little fingers all over this. it was bruce ohr who pushed tha fbi to use the campaign opposition research. he was a hater. it was bruce ohr. it was steele. it was ohr who spread steele's phoney dossier throughout the government. to lie to the american people. it was ohr who became a back channel. 70 plus contacts of christophea steele even after he was fired by the fbi for leading anti-trump and leaking it to the press in this country. that means to you. it was bruce ohr whoom knew steele was completely bias, desperate to stop trump at all costs and that ohr wrote that costs and that ohr wrote that donald trump never being president. bruce ohr knew of the dossier was bias, would

you get trump's telling russia keep hacking, three days later ohr meets with christopher steele and the next day fbi opens up what would become the mueller investigation, ultimately, not because of ohr and steele, ohr doesn't tell anyone, but because of the tip from the australian diplomat who has george papadopoulos running around europe saying the russians have hillary's e-mails. >> that's right. the time line of that ohr meeting is coincidental. christopher steele was separately reaching out to the fbi later on in the summer and taking in the findings of the dossier which they used to supplement the information they had already opened based on the information they had received about george papadopoulos. i think if you look at what the president is doing with bruce ohr, he's trying to do two things. he's trying to make him the latest scapegoat he can use to discredit this investigation. the same way he's done with the people you listed, andy mccabe, lisa page, pete strzok. the other thing he's trying to do is he's trying to put pressure on the justice department. and not just pressure

what are we learning what christopher steele who he would ohr about this? >> he said he was at a breakfast in jewel of 2016 and christopher steele was there. he was this ex-british spy who co compiled the dossier. russian intelligents believed they have candidate trump over a barrel suggesting that whatever reasons russian intelligence believe they hold something on candidate trump. this is what came out in his testimony and you know it does line up of course with the allegations that we previously heard from christopher steele through the dossier that he compiled. the many salacious part are unfounded. the broader notion that russia was trying to wave thive this campaign to interfere in the election. that's something that the u.s. intelligence agreed now. >> did we know if bruce ohr passed it along? >> his superiors were not aware of the extent of the contact he was having with christopher steele. this is a guy that spent at the justice department for a long time. he's no longer doing that. he was removed from the position and stripped of the responsibilit

three days later ohr meets with christopher steele. and then they open up the investigation not because of ohr and steele but because of the tip from the australian diplomat who's got george papadopoulos running around saying russians have hillary clinton's e-mails. >> the timing of that meeting is incidental. christopher steele was separately reaching out to the fbi later on in the summer and taking them the findings of the dossier, which they used to supplement the investigation they had already opened based on the information they had received about george papadopoulos. i think if you look at what the president is doing to bruce ohr, he's trying to do two things. one, he's trying to make him the latest scapegoat to discredit this investigation, the same way he's done with andy mccabe, lisa page, pete strzok. the other thing he's trying to do is he's trying to put pressure on the justice department. not just pressure on civil servants like bruce ohr but pressure on the leadership of the justice department. the thing that disappoints m

christopher steele really was an anti-trump fanatic.s most really interesting there is that bruce ohr warned the fbi whenever he turned over that dossier for their investigation that christopher steele was a politically motivated actor. you know, they have even disclosed that the dossier was funded by the democratic party and hilary clinton campaign. and despite much of that, the fbi decided to discount those warnings from bruce ohr and really went full bore in terms of using the dossier as the basis for much of its investigation into the trump campaign. jon: here's part of what the new york times reports today they say the revelation that mr. ohr engaged with mr. steele has provided the president's allies fresh fodder to attack the investigation led by robert mueller the special counsel casting it as part of vast long-running conspiracy by a deep state bent on undermining mr. trump. we still don't know the end result of robert mueller's investigation, the thinking is that he has about a week left to issue some kind of a conclusion, oth

christopher steele said he was desperate to stop the president. and they didn't tell the court that bruce and nelly or rrk were useful in putting the dossier together. we think this is exactly what needs to happen. lou: and the popularity of the president's decision, i think, is without limit, particularly going into the midterm elections. this is something that the president really needs to have in front of the american people, that is the truth. now we're hearing from adam schiff, congressman schiff saying that is a breach of national security. the dems fighting every step of the way the public's right to know. how can they possibly prevail in the midterms being on the wrong side of history and on the wrong side of law? >> yeah. i mean, look, the crushing power of the state was used to take one party's opposition research document that was not true, it was a big lie, they used that to go get a warrant to spy on a person associated with the other party's campaign. you're never allowed to do that in america yet they did. and for the democrats to s

and continuing them even after the fbi fired christopher steele for wrongly leaking to the media.does this, and he's telling senior people in the justice department, the fbi agents know, they nope bruce ohr has a conflict of interest. they are working to discredit of donald trump during the investigation and nobody puts a stop to this and nobody in the justice department seems to be curious. bruce ohr says bob mueller never called me or asked me way was up to. it's kind of like girls gone wild at the doj. there doesn't seem to be anyone at the justice department who cares about this. judge jeanine: what is the legal significance of this with ohr back channeling and bringing this information to the departments of justice. gregg: andrew weissmann was a participant in the russian hoax using a false document, the dossier, to cry to incriminate and frame donald trump for things he didn't do. weissmann, according to bruce ohr knew that christopher steele come posed it, was discredited as a liar, and the document itself was not credible. this was like a detective who frames the suspect t

then we find out, through bruce ohr and christopher steele's contacts, christopher steele is saying did you get my info to your friends in the special counsel. what's wrong with that picture. >> sean, look, i have dozens of lawyers that i'm up against in doj. and that's on the civil division. it's been, you know, told to friends with the "washington post," "new york times" -- >> sean: did they apologize for taking likes that are unverified? >> absolutely not, no. and -- >> sean: if they do it will be on page 836 in the bottom right-hand corner, nobody will find it. >> hopefully they start fixing this a little bit, sean. >> sean: are you going to sue them? >> well, it's just like the first -- the fake intel report by clapper, comey, brennan on january 6, 2017, two weeks before the inauguration. it was split into two themes. one is the hacking, the other is government propaganda. i am doing, i have a legal action right now, the government propaganda. >> sean: we get this information 245 we want declassified and unredacted, are you convinced there's exculpatory evidence they withheld, do y

had fired christopher steele for leaking information.ruce ohr continues to meet with christopher steele after the mueller investigation began. i think those are important communications to see what the f.b.i. actually record when bruce ohr sat down with the f.b.i. after the mueller investigation began and he was still meeting with christopher steele. i think that is valuable information and scheduled to be released as well. i want that as soon as possible. >> lou: that the president ordered to be provided in unredacted form that will be a fascinating few days to an uncertain point in the future. congressman jim jordan as always. it's great to have you with us. thank you so much. >> good to be with you. >> lou: up next the rad dal dimms continue the push -- radical dimms continue the push to reobserve investigation into supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. >> i would like to see an investigation done. the f.b.i. is equipped to do it. >> they need to have the facts. she has a right to have the facts be developed by a nonpartisan source l

this assessment by christopher steele reporting it back to bruce ohr. what do you make of the information the russians or russian intelligence agencies had trump or at the time trump over a barrel. >> i think, ayman, based on what we saw in the dossier, the russians likely did have information relating to trump and his finances and possibly this performance, this evening he spent in the moscow hotel with prostitutes. we don't know that part. to your knowledge, publicly it hasn't been acknowledged by the fbi. confirmed by the fbi. we know many other parts have been confirmed publicly through press work, journalistic work and also some of the work that the justice department has done. so i would say that i'm not surprised that he came and said that the russians believe they have trump over a barrel. the russians probably believe that anyway because you just have to listen to donald trump speak. but i think they probably really did have some information, some of which is now public. the other part of this i think that's important to mention is this didn't

this goes to the issue of christopher steele asking s brue orr if he got his information from special counsel. you have the fbi and doj, they are running the investigation, colluding to leak what we now know to be lies to the american people to hurt the president, the same doj hired mueller and steele is feeding information through bruce orr. >> it's the definition of corruption. if there was any doubt that comey's fbi and obama's department of justice wereus engaged in an illicit and illegal scheme to frame donald trump, they are bragging aboutt it in text messages they were using, false information that they were pedaling in this case to the washington post which is so biased and gullible, they swallowed it hook, line and sinker. then they are bragging about it to each other. >> sean: you get orr, mccain, strzok, steele, they don't want to be exposed. and the fire walls and leak into the special counsel, we now know what the insurance policy is. these are the five big trump haters. >> the event that hillary clinton lost the election. >> sean: this is post election in april of 2017.

the details about ohr having that breakfast with christopher steel is sort of goes along with the theory that steel is digging this up and starring to get super panicked about what he is finding. >> he should have. christopher steele was the head of british intelligence. he would know. he would have seen decades of patterns of activities and operations starting to come to a head and see that pattern of influence through oligarchs, through russian mafia figures and then through politicians and then russian intelligence start to focus on donald trump. this had to have occurred. i wrote a whole book on it. for christopher steele to see it, you are going to panic and wonder, am i working with a politician who has been crafted by a foreign intelligence agency. that's why he wrote the dossier and took it to an fbi. he is more of a patriot than most in the republican party. >> the timeline is interesting. right at the crucial juncture, carter page goes to moscow. wikileaks releases the hacked e-mails. trump's telling rush kwa to keep hacking and three days later, the next day the fbi opens up w

. >> this was not in the dossier, something that christopher steele told bruce ohr over breakfast that a russian intelligence officer had said and one of his sources inside of russia had picked up in his conversations with members of russian intel, and that is significant because that means that members of the gru and the fsu were discussing the fact -- or the notion that they had compromising information about the president that was causing trump to act in certain ways. that was essentially blackmail. and it is something that we had not heard before.

. >> bruce foretold the key people at the fbi that christopher steele, the author of the document wasom getting elected. they knew both of their involvement but didn't tell the court that. and andy mccabe knew, peter strzok nous and andrew weissmann knew as well. be one that was mark meadows calling for the declassification of russian documents that could reveal big-time corruption at the doj. joining me now, the aforementioned congressman themselves. welcome to both of you. congressman jordan, the more we learn about bruce ohr's contact with christopher steele that predates what we talked about months ago, now the timeline has been pushed earlier. and yet, and his wife worked for the fusion gps firm. did they not know this at the justice department? why is this conflict not blaring across every media outlet tonight? >> it should be but you have a top justice official hired to work for the firm, and everyone at the fbi knew about it. and now we know andrew weissmann, the key player on mueller's team knew about it as well. they knew about it before they went to the fisa court. they kne

we are talking about andrew mccabe, page, strzok, and of course, christopher steele peered all trump ters. we learned that he was actually attempting to steer the fbi so-called russia collusion investigation toward the phony steele dossier, much earlier than we previously thought. several officials, all with serious political baggage, as he describes them, remember this is the dossier -- with this will all be traced back to hillary. many of the same figures protected her so she could stay in the race by exonerating her after she obviously committed felonies and crimes, and of course, the dnc, clinton, funded this phony, russian steele dossier. they funneled that money to a law firm, that money then goes to fusion gps, they hire a foreign national, a spy, christopher steele, and by the way, the wife of the fourth highest ranking member of the doj, nellie ohr, you put it altogether, opera research, unverified lies against donald trump. nobody verify this information, nobody. even steele said under oath, the contents were raw intelligence. he did not stand by his own dossier. but it gets

who wrote the dossier while at the same time christopher steele was a coworker of bruce orr's wife. you should note b not be able ty your way in with political cash. if president trump is watching, i hope he will be bold and declassify the information. lou: it's hard to keep them out of there when the people are willing to spend $12 million, like hillary clinton did and the democratic national committee did in hiring fusion gps and christopher steele to create that phony dossier that they used for the fisa applications that's a lot of money for a smear job. >> well absolutely. and whether you're a republican or a democrat, we never want a circumstance where if you hire the right person's spouse that your opposition research, your political dirt converts into intelligence information. that is the true crime here. that is what we should be focused on. lou: that is the crime of the justice department and the judges who just basically rubber stamp the application. >> you're right. and i think that the judges only know what's before them. and there was an obligation to present all

your reporting is that ohr met in 2016 with christopher steele and concluded from that that russia had trump, quote, over a barrel. what does that mean exactly? >> so bruce ohr, before congress behind closed doors, he described that july 2016 breakfast he had with chris steele, and he said that chris steele had told him that a former russian senior intelligence official had used that language, namely that donald trump was over a barrel by russian intelligence, and bruce ohr was very clear that he actually didn't know what that meant and couldn't vouch for its authenticity or accuracy or what exactly chris steele was talking about. but he also said that chris steele had worked for the fbi as an informant for many years and delivered actionable, credible intelligence, including during an investigation into fifa, which is soccer's global governing body. so we don't know exactly what it meant. one thing that's really interesting is, we've known for a long time obviously what the general premise and thesis of chris steel's dossier was, namely that russia had him over a barrel. but what's in

as far as president trump is concerned, bruce ohr, christopher steele and the fbi and doj are nothing more than a part of the vast network of deep state actors trying to undermine him and his presidency and trying to do so since before he even entered the white house. and no amount of new york times reporting will change the president's posture on that and that is because in large part because if you talk to people who have known the president for a long time and work with and for him and also if you just observe his behavior that he exhibits publicly, he gets the vast, vast if not majority, if not all of the information he has on this from tv shows. from his allies on fox news. and this is someone who the president of the united states has deep access to the most classified information in the country, if not the world and he's getting his marching orders on bruce ohr and christopher steele from things like "fox and friends." >> before this news broke and that new york times report, natasha, we were talking about this reporting, especially when it comes to the associated press that cl

hillary pays a bruce ohr, christopher steele, and it goes right to mueller's office. pretty disgusting conduct in the lead up to the election, it's about to come crumbling down. looks like christopher steele paid by hillary direct line through bruce ohr come right into robert mueller's office, you can't make it up. also tonight, the democrats see the writing is on the wall bearing any unforeseen crisis, judge kavanaugh will be confirmed as the next u.s. supreme court justice. another promise made by the president and kept. it has been downright shameful conduct, i now known coordinated plot to interrupt the hearings dozens and dozens of times and reports of paid protesters getting funneled into the audience, combative questioning all designed to trip up judge kavanaugh around every corner. we will show you the worst of the worst. plus we will show you the left in this country is pretty and petty political posturing. tonight the media as obsessive-compulsive antitrust coverage is once again ramping up and in moments we will take you on a journey tonight through the med

congressman jordan, the more we learn about bruce ohr's contact with christopher steele that predateshat we believe -- we talked about months ago. now the time line has been pushed earlier. and yet, and his wife worked for the fusion gps firm. did they not know this at the justice department? >> they did. >> laura: why is this conflict not blaring across every media outlet tonight given what we learned? >> it should be but you have a top justice official hired to work for the firm, and everyone at the fbi knew about it. andy mccabe, peter strzok and now we know that andrew weissman, the key player on mueller's team knew about it as well. they knew about it before they went to the fisa court. they knew about the involvement and who paid for it and they knew what bruce or told us that he told the fbi what christopher steele said. christopher steele, the guy who wrote it was desperate to stop president trump from becoming president. >> laura: and none of this was in the fisa application? >> that's correct. >> we do not believe. so. >> we have not seen the actual fisa application but from

they knew christopher steele who composed it was not credible and had been fired for lying.nd he also knew the ohr's wife had worked on the dossier, and they were both getting paid for peddling this document, which by the way is three different felonies. david: apparently the one thing bruce ohr was honest about was by informing people at the fbi that his wife was working for fusion gps. should they not have been aware of the political orientation of that organization? gregg: it should have been a red flag. they should have taken the dossier and thrown it in the garbage. the reason ohr is squealing is he's in legal jeopardy. he never disclosed the income his wife was getting and that's filing a false government report and that's a crime. david: mueller released peter strzok from his team. he was vehemently anti-trump. is it incumbent on mule tore dismiss wise plan knowing what we all know? gregg: that would be the right and ethical and legal thing to do. the presence of weissmann all these months has corrupt and tainted all the evidence under the exclusionary rule, under nor

christopher steel put all the russian lies together paid for by hillary. g about praying he doesn't get beings posed. also talking about fire walls holdings. strzok and page talk about insurance policy. but then steel tells ohr asking ohr did you get the information we now know are fabricated lies from russia did you get them into the. >> tell you if there is the same relentless pursuit of these people as they have done to president trump, you're going to find very quickly already admitted evidence of serious crimes and a major conspiracy to first stop him from being president where there would be an impeachment. my head hangs in shame gave 16 years of my life to the department of justice as a third ranking official in the department of justice when i could proudly say it was a department of justice. and the only thing that could be done now is as relentless an investigation of all these people, as they did to president trump. >> sean: all right, mr. mayor, thank you for being with us. we appreciate it when we come back, trace gallagher has a live update th