i'll talk to nbc news legal analyst chuck rosenberg and andrew weissmann. also, violent reaction -- >> subject armed. >> a man apparently reacting to the fbi's search is killed by authorities after trying to attack the bureau's cincinnati office. will others be moved to violence? >>> and the midterms outlook, from the kansas abortion vote -- >> i hope we inspire other states when they get the opportunity to vote to really think about a woman's choice. >> -- to a string of successes for president biden. signs that the expected republican red wave may be weakening. joining me for insight and analysis are eugene robinson, amy walter, matthew continetti, betsy woodruff swan and michael beschloss. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >>> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. chuck todd is off today. even by donald trump's standards, it's been an extraordinary week. first came word of the fbi's search at mar-a-lago, for classified documents. while that pr

joining me now, ken dilanian, douglas london, and former senior fbi official chuck rosenberg staying cipollone, pat philbin. what do we know about whether they were interviewed and how they were interviewed. >> we haven't confirmed reporting but we have no reason to doubt it. what it suggests is the justice department is trying to learn more about how those documents got to mar-a-lago and what was the process in the final days of the white house as donald trump was moving his material out? we have a lot of reporting on that that suggests it was a chaotic process and that, by the way, for months and years before that, donald trump had a pen chance for grabbing and holding on to highly classified documents. john bolton told us it was common place. it was such a problem that they didn't want to bring in sensitive photos and things like that. it looks like what doj is trying to determine, was there any process around making sure the classified material got back to where it was supposed to be? apparently in some cases not. it ended up in boxes that were transferred to mar-a-lago. >> chuck

not just the taking of highly sensitive information, but also lying about it. >> let's bring chuck rosenbergk into this conversation. chuck, i'm thinking back to when trump was in office and people would be tearing their hair out saying, why is he allowed to do this? common people aren't. other people in the administration aren't. members of congress can't but there was really sort of this shroud around a president and their powers and so many things they couldn't be prosecuted for. the fact that all of this is happening now that he is simply a private citizen, one that doesn't have security clearance anymore, could that mean things are different as far as what he could be prosecuted for? >> you know, things are different. we always talk about how nobody is above the law, but when somebody is president, they have authorities and powers that you and i simply don't have, stephanie. i can't pardon anyone. nor can you. there's a department of justice policy, policy only not statute but policy, that says you can't charge, indictment a sitting president. they could charge you or me. so there are f

not just the taking of highly sensitive information but the lying about it. >> let's bring chuck rosenbergation. chuck, i'm thinking back when trump was in his office, and people be tearing your hair out and, they say why is a lot to do this? common people are, other members administration can't, but there was really a shroud around the president and their powers. so many things they couldn't be prosecuted for. the fact that all of this is happening now that he's a private citizen, one that doesn't even have private security clearance anymore, what does that mean the things will be different as to what he could be prosecuted for? >> things are different and we always talk about how nobody is above the law. but when somebody is president they have authorities and powers that simply you and i don't have. i can't pardon anyone, nor can you. there is a department of justice policy that says you can't charge and indict a sitting president. they can charge you or me. so there are factors and facts about being president that just don't pertain to anyone else. but he's not the president now. and i

. >> tonight, chuck rosenberg on the garland around announcement, what it means for the investigation and where we may know the details donald the details donald trump's concealing. plus, at the incitement of violence against law enforcement as an fbi field office is attacked. plus, new reporting of trump's paranoia over so-called rats wearing wires at mar-a-lago. u.s. press secretary karine jean-pierre live in studio on us there is a big wins for the biden white house. when all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm alicia melendez, in for chris hayes. today, attorney general merrick garland calls donald trump's bluff, speaking publicly for the first time since the fbi search at mar-a-lago, garland announced the department of justice is seeking to rig leased the search warrant and and accompanying list of items seized. unless the former president objects. >> just, now the department of justice has filed a motion in the southern district of florida to unseal a search warrant and property receipt related to a court approved search that the fbi conducted earlier this we

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. >>> all right, i want to bring now into the conversation chuck rosenberg a former u.s. attorney, former senior fbi official and the person who i immediately get in touch with on my flight desk to make sure i've got the legal part of this at least under my belt and i can explain it in a way that is going to make sense to other nonlawyers such as myself. chuck, thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you for having me, rachel. >> first, let me just get your top line reaction to this raid. let me, tell me if i've said anything thus far that doesn't strike you as correct in terms of the way the procedures work. tell me what you think of the seriousness of it. >> so your explanation at the opening of your show was spot on. i'm not sure why you need me. i will say this, it's astonishing. like step back for a moment, and recognize that the department of justice went to a federal judge and got a search warrant for the home of a former president. putting aside what's in the affidavit, putting aside what crime they specified, putting all of that aside, this is not something

i want to bring back chuck rosenberg, the former u.s. attorney, and former senior fbi official. i know you haven't a chance to dig into all 36 pages, but from what you've seen so far what do you think? >> the government makes a couple of important arguments. probably the most important is they already did the review. let's go back a step stephanie. -- >> hold on, hold on did the review of what? >> they did the review of materials seized during the search that were arguably privileged, attorney client privilege materials. let me just back up a moment. when the government applied for a search warrant. it suggested to the judge what it would do if the warrant was approved and how it would set up the filter team and what processes the filter team would use. and the judge who approved the warranted approve those processes. once the warrant was executed, the government took the materials it seized right through the very process it had described the federal judge who approved the warrant, and it did it precisely how they told the judge they would do it. and they're done. so one of thei

yes, rachel, fair game. >> chuck rosenberg, former senior fbi official, and justice department official chuck, thank you very much for time this evening. invaluable as always, but particularly tonight on this historic night, thank you. >> my pleasure. >> when this news broke tonight, one of the other people i immediately wanted to speak with, is a colleague who is on vacation. i, however, am i cool and unusual colleague who decided i would pursue anyway, even though she's not supposed to be working tonight, even though i must hear her reaction to this news. she is nicole wallace, the host of deadline white house, my friend who's been very kind to me but taking this call. thank you nikole. >> well, it's an act of god that you are anchoring tonight, -- i'm very glad that you are just building on what chuck rosenberg said. the crown jewel of our democracy is the transfer of power, and the electoral count act is a lot, to sow is obstructing an official proceeding. and i think the tsunami of questions, far away the revelations on a tight night like tonight. but i think what we know now is th

or avenues and they're lawfully seized by lawfully present agents, yes, rachel, fair game. >> chuck rosenberg, former senior fbi official and justice department official, chuck, thank you very much for your time this evening. invaluable as always but particularly tonight on this historic night. thank you. >> my pleasure. >> when this news broke tonight one of the other people i immediately wanted to speak with is a colleague who is on vacation. i, however, am i a cool and unusual colleague who decided i would pursue her anyway even though she's not supposed to be working tonight simply because i must hear her reaction to this news. she is nicolle wallace, the host of "deadline white house." my friend and a person being very kind to me taking this call even though ayou're not supposed to be working tonight. thank you. >> well, it is an act of god you are anchoring tonight. i think i speak for all of us. i'm very glad that you are. you know, just building on what chuck rosenberg said, i mean the crown jewel of our democracy is the transfer of power. and the electoral count act is a law, too. so

chuck rosenberg, former senior fbi official u.s. ey, who served the lengthy career prosecuting federal cases, and he joins me now. chuck, let's start on that, which i think is the most basic question here. it just seems, almost as a matter of legal logic and institutional honor, that if a sworn -- if a law enforcement official swears in an affidavit, we believe there is a probable cause of these crimes, being committed, they get the warrant. they go find that evidence. it just really seems like one plus one equals to. that you have uncovered the crime. what do you think? >> yeah, one plus one always equal to. but be careful about what you are adding up, chris. probable cause that a crime was committed, and probable cause that you're going to find evidence of that crime in place. look, let's say i'm your in a good cousin, occasionally sleeping on your couch. and i robbed a back. you have nothing to do with it. and i take my ski mask in my gone and money and i had near garage. the fbi can execute a search warrant on your house because

chuck rosenberg being one name that comes to mind that has said it multiple times. thank you for that. tom, next steps. what happens now? >> the trump team will have an opportunity to respond. as we've seen in the past, they've sometimes used those filings as part press release, part legal filing. we'll see what they decide to do tonight. that will be the first step. then we'll have a hearing in front of the judge. the judge can make a determination right from the bench and say there's no need for a special master, we're done with this matter, this goes through the normal channels and magistrate court. if you all have other issues with respect to the search warrant, that's it's own separate compartment. if the judge issues a written order, that may take time and could ultimately decide the special master is increasingly unlikely after this filing but then they would have to appoint a special master and a special master that would have the appropriate security clearances to look at these types of materials. that could potentially really delay this investigation from

chuck rosenberg, thank you so much for coming on this morning. the same to michael beschloss, thank you. jackie alemany, we always appreciate your coverage. thank you, all of you. >>> before we go to break, some of the other stories making headlines this morning. the u.s. is sending an additional $1 billion in military aid to ukraine. the pentagon announced yesterday the new shipment includes tens of thousandsexplosives, the largest such package since russia invaded ukraine in february. >>> severe weather and staff shortages are hampering u.s. flights this week. another 500 canceled flights yesterday, following more than 1,500 cancellations this past weekend. the majority impacted hubs in new york and chicago. demand for air travel has returned to pre-pandemic levels, while airlines struggle with staffing shortages, among other issues. >>> and voters head to the polls today in the battleground state of wisconsin, where the republican gubernatorial primary has become a political proxy contest between former president trump and former vice presiden

and chuck rosenberg, also an msnbc contributor and he is the person we go to when we want answers on topics like this. so, chuck, i do want to begin with you, because i want you to set the expectations for us. because this is so sensitive, this is so politically sensitive. what can we expect? what should we be looking out for? >> first, katy, i don't see a political prism. i was a prosecutor, so let me explain the law here. in order to get a search warrant, you have to convince a federal judge that you have probable cause for two things. first that a federal crime was committed. and second that you have evidence of that federal crime for the place you want to search. i think the important thing for your viewers, the fbi obviously can't get a search warrant on its own. it takes two branches or three branches of the system to issue a warrant. the fbi to apply. and the judge to approve. once she approves and the fbi has a warrant, then they're lawfully allowed into the home and collects stuff pursuant to the warrant. it's really that simple. so if people want to make this into a politica

investigative reporter with the "washington post," jackie allamane and former justice official chuck rosenberg. ken, they've made their filing, the judge is looking at it. walk us through what we can expect now. >> well, there's a couple of possibilities, katy. the most hopeful one for us is that we see a document today, a redacted version that shed some light on something that would happen if the judge took a look at the redactions, agreed that it was worth releasing, that there was enough there that was meaningful to the public, that he would actually order the release of a redacted version. the other possibility is, though, that the redactions are so thorough that the document is rendered in the judge's words meaningless gibberish and then the judge would decide it's not even worth releasing and he would rule in that manner and the third possibility is that the judge disagrees with the justice department's proposed redactions and then he said in that event he would place the whole thing under seal to allow the justice department to appeal, in which case we won't see anything probably for so

. >> let's bring chuck rosenberg back into this conversation. k, i'm thinking back when trump was in his office, and people be tearing your hair out and, they say why is a lot to do this? common people are, other members administration can't, but there was really a shroud around the president and their powers. so many things he couldn't be prosecuted for. the fact that all of this is happening now that he's a private citizen, one that doesn't even have private security clearance anymore, what does that mean the things will be different as to what he could be prosecuted for? >> things are different and we always talk about how nobody is above the law. but when somebody is president they have authorities and powers that simply you and i don't have. i can't pardon anyone, nor can you. there is a department of justice policy that says you can't charge and indict a sitting president. they can charge you or me. so there are factors and facts about being president that just don't pertain to anyone else. but he's not the president now. and i think andrew

attorney and senior fbi official chuck rosenberg and national reporter coral linnick, coauthor of thet selling author "i alone can fix it." ken, tell us more. >> a letter from the national archives to trump's lawyers back in may was published by john solomon who has ties to trump. officials are not pulling back on the authenticity of the letter. the letter redefines some of the things we thought we knew. it says even among the 15 boxes turned over in january, after a year of negotiating with the trump people, they found what they said was more than 100 documents, 700 pages of material marked classified, including the highest classifications of the government, top secret, sensitive compartmental information special access programs, the kind of stuff if disclosed could betray sources and methods. that's back in january. at the time, this was a letter where the trump team was asserting executive privilege over some of the documents and asking that they not be turned over to the fbi, and the archives responded citing a letter from the biden administration, where the president has waived a

and chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and former senior you fbi fbi official. -- start us off, -- is that what you were expecting? >> [inaudible] says we have a pending criminal investigation with grand jury information and sensitive names of witnesses, names of federal agents, investigative techniques. we need to protect that. generally, the judge goes along. in this case, he says, they didn't meet their burden. let's keep in mind with this is. this is an affidavit that the fbi agents were out to the judge, to request a search warrant and to make the case that it was probable cause a crime had been committed and that evidence of that crime was present at mar-a-lago. so, it could contain almost everything the fbi knows about this case. and the justice department said they were very concerned, in particular, about witnesses. and even if witnesses are not named, people being able to identify witnesses by their description and the future witnesses in this case might be intimidated -- for that reason, i strongly susp

attorneys joyce vance and chuck rosenberg. cal, set the table for us. what do we know about this magistrate judge? who is going to argue before him this afternoon? we understand the trump lawyers were not taking part. >> reporter: yes. the two parties that we are going to hear from are this group of media organizations, around a dozen, as you said nbc news is one of them. we will hear from the department of justice. we will likely not hear from donald trump's lawyers. we heard from him on social media, but it's not clear whether or not he will change his mind and what his lawyers think. we sort of know what we're going to hear from both parties. first on the media's behalf, we will hear from lawyers who argue this was, quote, as they say, historically significant. it was unprecedented. the public has an inherent interest in understanding what the method was, what was behind that decision to carry out that search warrant last monday. we know the department of justice is going to try to keep it sealed. they write in the filing this week that unsealing the

we want to bring out legal analyst chuck rosenberg.has a lot of tentacles and play into what we have been witnessing out our window, what happened on january 6th of 2021. the committee now that's investigating that has alleged that jones played a role in organizing the rally that took place at the ellipse just below the white house ahead of the riot. what could they learn here? and could the doj become further involved? >> let me take your second question first. they're both good questions. i would imagine the doj would be very interested in the texts of mr. jones. you know, really fascinating how they ended up in the hands of the attorneys for the plaintiffs in this civil lawsuit. but put that aside for now. we're not going to figure that out right here on television. but the department of justice would absolutely want to contemporaneous writings of mr. jones. they could be evidence in a trial against him or others. the first question, the jury would want it, too. what he do or say in the moment is the best evidence. i would imagine t

to help explain the new court filing, i'm joined by chuck rosenberg.e is a former federal prosecutor and fbi official. what is -- tell us about what the former president did with these documents. >> it tells us more about the documents than what the former president necessarily did with them. the search warrants -- search warrants were executed to recover the document's. that was done lawfully and with the authorization of a federal judge, but it doesn't necessarily tell you who did what, who understood that there were classified materials within those documents, and who may have obstructed justice. it could've been the former president, it could have been people who work for him, they could've been doing it at his direction. a large portion of the fbi affidavit was redacted. a lot of answers to those questions are probably in those reactions. judy: and the question of content, will we ever know what was here? >> know it's a frustrating answer, but of charges are brought against the former president, likely you will see the details made public in a cou

attorney, chuck rosenberg, joyce vance, frank figliuzzi. chuck, first to you.t is claiming he has the right to declassify documents. he declassified them before he removed them from the white house. theoretically, if he did declassify them before noon on january 20th, when he stopped becoming president, of course, does that exonerate him from any potential violation of mishandling classified documents? >> well, andrea, it's a great question. a bit of a theoretical one. a sitting president has the right, the privilege, the authority to classify and declassify the entire intelligence structure built for the ultimate consumer, the president. whether or not he did declassify it is a factual question. we don't know the answer to it. this may sound like a conjecture rabbit hole, but i guess it's also possible that president biden could reclassify documents. president george w. bush did that shortly after 9/11, reclassified certain documents for other reasons, not nefarious. sitting presidents have that authority. that authority now resides with mr. biden. but we don'

melissa murray, chuck rosenberg, thank you so much. luke, you had so much reporting today. i'm gonna make you stick around. when we come back, more trump allies come before the january 6th committee, what they might or might not be saying, and why it matters for the investigation? later, compare what the conservatives had to say about hillary clinton's handling about government records, to what we're hearing now about the same people to the search on palm beach. the 11th hour just getting underway on tuesday night. turns out, some wishes do come true. they'll never know. and it turns out the general is a quality insurance company that's been saving people money for nearly 60 years. for a great low rate, and nearly 60 years of quality coverage- go with the general. i'm jonathan lawson here to tell you about life insuranceverage- through the colonial penn program. if you're age 50 to 85, and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three ps. what are the three ps? the three ps of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price. a price you ca

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that completely undercuts that defense and i found that to be very interesting. >> so chuck rosenberg, i think what everybody is asking now is what's next? what is the department of justice doing? >> they told you what they were doing, yasmin, they just haven't told you how they're doing it. they have an ongoing investigation, which is why large portions of the affidavit have been redacted. they have numerous witnesses that they are talking to and protecting, which is completely appropriate. remember, search warrants come at the beginning of investigations or sort of the early middle, and not typically at the very end. so we don't know precisely what they're doing or how they're doing it, nor are we entitled to know that, but we know they're still doing it. i think charles made a really interesting and important point by noting what's missing from the attorney's letter. but there's something else i would add to that. the three statutes that the government relied upon to get the search warrant don't require that the information that's mishandled or destroyed be classified information a

attorney and senior fbi official, chuck rosenberg, now an msnbc contributor. former assistant u.s. attorney and associate independent counsel for the white water investigation, kim whaley, and clint watts, now an msnbc national security analyst. so, ken, what are we learning here about the case that the doj laid out in this affidavit? >> lindsey, a couple of pig takeaways. one, the doj saying that there are multiple civilian witnesses whose identities they want to protect in this case. not one single informant or confidential source, but many, many people, and that's why they've asked for all of those names and identities to be redacted. secondly, we're learning new details about the extent of how classified some of the documents were that were found in the origin 15 boxes that were turned over by the trump folks to the archives in january. and it looks like they are some of the most classified documents you can have in the u.s. government. documents relating to confidential human sources, who may be talking to the cia. documents related to intelligence communication intercepts by

joining us, reporter for the "washington post," jckie alemany and chuck rosenberg. chuck, i'll start with you. what is reasonable for us to expect when this document in a matter of hours is made public? will we learn much about the investigation, or will it be, as some have said, just pages of redacted black lines? >> maybe a little of both, willie. think of the affidavit in two buckets. i don't want to oversimplify it, just simplify it. bucket one is the procedural history. what led us to this point? it may include information about the back and forth between the national archives and the former president and his team to reclaim documents that belong to the government and not mr. trump personally. that's the procedural stuff, bucket one. bucket two, why was there probable cause? what crimes the government believed were committed and why they believed they'd find evidence of the crimes at mar-a-lago. i think we're going to see a good bit from bucket one, the procedural stuff. we've seen reporting on that, willie. it may confirm some of the reporting. it may add a few

so chuck rosenberg, you are my man on all things explanatory. explain again to you are o'audience what would be contained within the search warrant and what information we would get from the property receipt. >> sure, katy. so three parts to a search warrant generally speaking. the affidavit, which lays out the government's case for probable cause, which the judge reviews. the search warrant itself, which is typically a one-page order. and the inventory that you alluded to, or the list of items that were seized. as the attorney general said, that list of items that are seized, the inventory, has to be left at the home, and so mr. trump presumably has it. the one-page warrant, the order, would be presented at the home at the time of the search. so mr. trump presumably has it. the thing we're all waiting for is the affidavit, the underlying probable cause statement. and that can run many, many pages. so the document you just held up in front of the camera, the motion to unseal is a motion by the government, by the united states attorney to ask the

attorney and senior fbi official, chuck rosenberg. good morning to you both. ken, i'll start with you. nbc news is working to confirm all of this, a blockbuster story dropped last night by "the new york times". the top line, the 300 documents. 300 of them taken by donald trump, according to the "times'" reporting out of the justice department, is a pretty staggering number when you consider all the excuses donald trump has made. well, he just slipped some things into his briefcase, or they were planted by the fbi. no, it turns out boxes and boxes and boxes in the basement at mar-a-lago. >> yeah, it's remarkable, willie. also fascinating to me is the fact that donald trump's lawyers yesterday in their lawsuit challenging the warrant and asking for a special master to go through the documents, essentially acknowledged the timeline that led up to the search, things they didn't have to admit. for example, that the justice department served a grand jury subpoena on them back in may. then also subpoenaed the surveillance tape from mar-a-lago. that had been reported

attorney and senior fbi official chuck rosenberg. congressional reporter for "the guardian," hugo howell. and white house bureau chief at "politico" and best-selling author of "the big lie," host of "way too early," jonathan lemire. to unseal an affidavit of this profile, what is going on behind the scenes here? >> willie, generalgenerally, it unusual to unseal a search warrant. eventually, everything becomes public, as everything in federal court must and should. but it is also not unusual, if you have an ongoing criminal investigation -- and joe was right to point out it is an ongoing criminal investigation -- to keep an affidavit sealed. you can keep it sealed for legitimate purposes, and i can't think of anything more legitimate than an ongoing investigation. you don't want evidence destroyed and witnesses tampered with. when the dust settles, when the investigations are done, if charges are brought in open court, you should expect to see the affidavits. that's what normally happens. while there is an ongoing investigation, and w

with that, i want to bring in ryan riley, justice reporter for nbc news, chuck rosenberg, matt millernbjoins us, former speci adviser on communications for the nsa and jeff mason, white house correspondent for reuters. ryan, you had the very difficult challenge of speaking to us moments after this document dropped. you've had a bit m

i hear chuck rosenberg in my ear saying to go chuck the manual but i would know that off the top of my head. my colleague blaine alexander is out to the district attorney's office to try to get a definition on what this specifically means to rudy giuliani. presumably it means he's someone of focus and potential could face grand jury charges. they're going to put out a report and from there a separate grand jury would have to look at this and decide if there were charges. either way it seems to be some indication as to whether or not anybody in the former president's orbit was involved in election interference in fulton county, georgia. we'll just have to see where all this goes. two questions i know you're going to ask. one, will giuliani still show up for the grand jury this week? costello says, yes, that is the plan at this point. his testimony had been postponed because of surgery that giuliani had. and then as far as whether or not he'll get into the subject of any sort of conversations between the former president trump and giuliani, he called it delusional, that's a quote, that t

michigan, luke broadwater, pulitzer prize-winning congressional reporter for the new york times, and chuck rosenberg is with us, a former u.s. attorney and former senior fbi official. mr. baker, let us start with this inflation reduction act. it could be improved in the next couple of days. how big of a deal is this? >> it is a big deal, of, course because president biden had been paralyzed in his efforts to get through his domestic agenda now for months. really almost a year. and i think that this is a way of him salvaging the best he can. it's not anywhere close to what he originally proposed last year. but it's a heck of a lot better than when he had weeks ago, which was zero. he wanted climate, he wanted prescription drugs. he wanted obama care subsidies. but he also wanted a lot more that he can't get in there. but these are pretty important things -- the democrats going to celebrate this win and show that -- make a case to the america public that it shows the democrats can get done the things he promised to get done after a period where it looked like he was frustrated in achieving his agenda.

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. >> thanks so much for your perspectives, chuck rosenberg, barbara mccquade. >>> lindsey graham saidre would be riots in the streets if trump is prosecuted. other former officials have been. critics sounded a warning that that sounded like a threat. monday, graham tamped down his rhetoric. >> if there's a prosecution of donald trump for mishandling classified information, after the clinton debacle, there will be riots in the streets. i reject violence. i'm not calling for violence. violence is not the answer. >> joining me now is democratic congressman david cicilline of rhode island, and trump impeachment manager, and his new book out today is titled "house on fire, fighting for democracy in the age of political arson." your reaction to what lindsey graham first said? is that an example of political arson? >> absolutely. thanks for having me. this is a continuation of a republican party that is defending the former president at all costs. this is an individual who promoted violence to stay in office, even after he lost the election. this is a perilous time for our country. it's why

ken delandian, barbara mcquaid and chuck rosenberg. ken, what more do we know about this search and the investigation? >> jose, sources are telling nbc news that this stemmed from a referral made by the national archivings to the justice department when they retrieved 15 boxes of presidential records in january and found some classified information contained within the boxes. they asked the justice department to take a look at whether the law is violated and other issues with presidential records and so this seems to be about records that donald trump took home with him some of which may or may not be classified and then the question is what broke down here? of course before they got to the dramatic step of a compelled search pursuant to a warrant the government would have asked nicely and then a subpoena and then something went very wrong and broke down. we are hearing from the president's camp that the president has authority and anything took home from the oval office he would have declassified first. what has to happen for the pres

"washington post" investigations reporter jacqueline aalamani and chuck rosenberg. good to see all of you. let me do something a little different. there's new reporting out from "the new york times" here in the last few minutes that two of of the top trump white house lawyers have been interviewed by the fbi in relation to handling the documents that may have been taken from the white house. pat cipollone, we have not confirmed this here at nbc news, but explain and help us understand how pig a deal this would be considering how high ranking the two former officials are and the roles they had as it relates to the national archives. >> sure. so they are high ranking white house counsel officials. pat cipollone, the white house counsel, one of his deputies, they were named to be sort of the interface between the white house and the national archives in the waning days of the trump administration, which means it would have been responsible to get the documents to the right people in the right way. so big important job. and they were senior white house officials. i will

. >> tonight, chuck rosenberg on the garland around announcement, what it means for the investigationy know the details donald the details donald trump's concealing. plus, at the incitement of violence against law enforcement as an fbi field office is attacked. plus

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our own chuck rosenberg has said that he thinks that maybe he will be granted that request.u think of that? and if he is, does that mean this whole thing, this whole sifting through of the documents that they have recovered from mar-a-lago starts all over again? >> yeah, i'm going to disagree with chuck, which is a rarity. he's usually very wise on these things. he may be right in the end, but special master is not unheard of in a search scenario. it usually comes into play when it is a lawyer's office that has been searched. and that's because the lawyer likely possesses documents per training to many different clients, whose communications would be privileged. and so, it sometimes is prudent to have an independent filter, as opposed to some other fbi agents who are unrelated to the case do that initial filter and say, we're going to segregate these privilege materials, and then we're going to share the rest with the negligentive team. heres with it isn't even attorney/client privilege that seems to be the issue, but executive privilege material. which is just a nonstarter

perry is outside the courthouse, ken dilanian also with us, and also with us, phil rucker, and chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official. both are msnbc contributors. thanks for joining me. ken, first to you. i want to talk about former trump organization ceo allen weisselberg, just officially pleading guilty to the charges against him. what happened in court and what happens for him next? >> reporter: well, he's going to serve five months at rikers island jail in new york city, lindsey, according to the reporting notes we're getting from our colleague, tom winter, who was in the courtroom. so he's pleading guilty, essentially to 15 counts involving dodging taxes on lavish fringe benefits that were paid to him, including the lease of a car, private school tuition for his grandchildren, a luxury apartment, stuff that the government said was actually compensation, should have been taxed, was not taxed. so he has agreed to serve this sentence and to testify against the trump organization when that company -- not former president trump, but the company goes on trial. but he has

attorney and senior fbi official chuck rosenberg. goods to speak you with.story. talk about the search of trump's home and the report that the search was possibly tied to nuclear related documents and other classified documents may have also been uncovered, so the question is, what would this mean if classified documents were found and removed? >> well, i think so alex, a bunch of really good questions bound up there. what we know is that a federal judge authorized a search warrant, based on the fining that there was probable cause to believe two things, one that a crime had been committed, a federal crime, we don't know which one, and we may know that soon, and two, that evidence of that federal crime would be found in trump's home. and so with that document in hand, with that search warrant, signed by a federal judge, the fbi is legally authorized to go to the house and look for the stuff as specified in the search warrant. if it's nuclear-related, jazz fied intelligence material, that's extraordinarily serious and i would understand exactly why the fbi an

we have a lot to discover tonight, let's get smarter with the help of our lead off panel, chuck rosenberger u.s. attorney and senior fbi official. luke broadwater, pulitzer prize-winning congressional reporter for the new york times. and jeff mason, white house correspondent for reuters. gentlemen, i have hope you've had your red bullet, your coffee, your coca-cola, because we could be getting his 40-page response and then doj any minute now. chuck, when we do, we know that they have already seized some of these documents from mar-a-lago, what do you think is going to be in this filing? >> a couple of things, stephanie. let me just take a step back, because i think keeping eyes on the prizes port and here. the reason they executed the warrant to begin with, was to get evidence they could use in an investigation, and perhaps the trial if they charge anybody with a crime. and so, when way the other, the department of justice in the fbi, are eventually going to get that. either through their internal filter team, screening through privileged materials, or if the judge appointed special maste

chuck rosenberg, what do you make of this news that merrick garland is now going to speak in 22 minutes? >> i think ken explained it so well earlier. there are rules about talking about ongoing grand jury investigations but there are other things you can say. while it is the general policy not to fill all the details, there are times when it's absolutely appropriate for the attorney general of the united states to step up to the podium and tell us what's going on. so i'd like to know what's going on. earlier, katy, you mentioned something really important, too, you always do, but trump has some. documents from the search warrant. he would have the warrant itself, which is usually a one-page order permitting agents lawful entry into his home and he would have the inventory or the item the thing we all want to see and need to see and we should reserve judgment until we see it, is the affidavit. that would be a 20 or 30-page that lays out the probable cause for the search and background of the case. but he does have other stuff and he can fill in the details and he's obviously chosen not t

katie benner, an msnbc contributor and justice reporter for "the new york times," and chuck rosenberg, former senior fbi official along with charles coleman, a civil rights attorney and former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. all right. ken, the deadline is noon. it is now 11:00 a.m. do you have any indication whatsoever from the justice department about when they're going to post it? is it going to be in the next five minutes or are we going to get it at 11:59:59? >> i wish i could help. it's a very democratic process. it's going to appear to all of us at the same time, on the federal -- electronic federal docket. and our colleague, daniel barnes is refreshing madly on our account there. and we'll see it and we'll print it out and download it and tell you what's in it. we are -- i'm getting signals that we're going to learn a few things from this document. i don't want to -- i mean, i don't want to overstate, not a lot, but some things that will move the ball a little bit and what we understand about this investigation, and perhaps will reinforce some of the things that we've been