cindy mccain: thank you. i know we miss his voice. one of the things i wanted to ask this year's theme of the forum is defending democracy. you are on capitol hill january 6 when the attack occurred. what was it like to return to the floor the house that evening after the insurrection and why it was so important to return that night? we all watched the whole thing at home with great anticipation to see what would happen and your leadership was very instrumental that night. speaker pelosi: there was a -- that was a really horrible situation instigated by the then president of the united states. when security came to me and pulled me off the podium, i thought it was a precaution. i did not realize it was a necessity. we saw what was happening, that the president of the united states has toppled the temple of -- has breached the temple of democracy. for it to be vandalized and the way it was, the worse the vandalism god, the more definite it was we had to go back that night. there were those who said let's bring everybody to the undisclo

cindy mccain, you write about the 38 years, the ups, the downs, the highs and the lows. f a quiet moments, was there? cindy: no, there really was not. in the beginning, part of what we talked about is at some point there'll be a normal in the household, there will be an normal in our family and of course, that never happened. it was always very exciting, always challenging, and always a lot of fun and it had its pitfalls as well and that is what i write about. judy: i was glad that you are quite candid in the book, cindy mccain, about the challenges of the spouse for the politician. it usually has been a woman, the second gentleman notwithstanding. women, as you write so much through the book, often do not have the self-confidence that they should have. cindy: that was very much the case with me. i was, i lived in fear making a mistake that would somehow humiliate my husband or the state of arizona. these were all certainly important things, but it was also this is undue pressure that i put on myself. as the years went on and i made my harsh mistakes along the way, i bega

please welcome to "a late show," cindy mccain. >> how are you? >> stephen: i'm doing just fine. do you make of the republican party kicking out someone like liz cheney? what do you make -- do you have any advice for her. >> stephen: do you have anything to say to her? >> oh, i think she's handled herself beautifully, i really to. you know, it's odd now, our party seems to be rewarding bad behavior and then trashing those who tell the truth and are honest about what's actually going on. we have lost our way. our party is in such disarray right now. but i have great faith in the human spirit, as you would say, with the republican party and i believe we'll find our way back but i think it's going to take a while. >> stephen: your husband, of course, known as the maverick. >> mm-hmm. >> stephen: and known as being independent of the demands of leadership of his own party, not that he wasn't a card carrying loyal republican, but he went his own way when he needed to. do you think he would be surprised by how hard it's been as a leadership of the republican party as presently constitut

this book shows one person, cindy mccain, really got stronger over her life. she was tested and had opportunities and came from strength in her own family. now in this very difficult period, to me it was a wonderful book to read. but it was also inspirational so i hope that people will go by it. for a lot of people they will learn more and maybe some people, your mom and dad and the influence they had on you growing up as their child. >> first of all i'm grateful for c-span for having us on. but to begin with, first of all, i am not -- i love the family and they've been good friends to us for so many years. my mom and dad came from absolutely nothing. they were dirt poor. my dad became a pilot during world war ii and it was an amazing time. many of them did not live through it, so he, with that said, the reason i bring it up is because it began when he came back from arizona, when he came back from the war and began to build this business with my mother. he built an amazing business and corporation that is huge now and to him it says a lot about the man it's p

. >> next on book tv "after words" program cindy mccain desk discusses family, country in her life with her late husband john mccain of arizona, she's interviewed by joseph lieberman armor u.s. senator on 2000 democratic vice presidential nominee. >> welcome everybody it's a great pleasure for me to have asked to have this conversation, cindy mccain about her new book stronger. and full disclosure i am not a neutral -- the friendship of john and cindy mccain is one of the blessings, i love this work, i actually read and use of a joke on capitol hill before a member of congress published a book and asked to read it. [laughter] but i did read it and i loved it it is a remarkable story in which you tell a lot of stories and portray sides of john mccain, i think it was a very difficult time because of an illness or something where he was not only a very devoted but a word that associated with them he was carrying, also a lot of the examples of this extraordinary tenacity and civil and humor but this was really a story about a book about your and you payou great tribute to john mccain in the

cindy mccain in the mccain institute for their thought leadership. and organizing the discussion. we have three guests that i think are known globally. senator chris murphy from connecticut, he served in the house for three terms, eight years in the connecticut general assembly, we have representative michael mccaul, congressman from texas with distinction, a republican leader on the house foreign affairs committee and we have general allen who is president of the brookings institute, retired u.s. marine corps four star general, former commander of the nato international assistant board and u.s. forces in afghanistan. i want to begin by asking a question to senator murphy. senator you have been a supporter of president biden's early steps to reverse course on iran after the last four years of the trump administration. he supported lifting the travel restrictions on iranian diplomats in new york, reversing the snapback of sanctions and quickly rejoining the iran nuclear deal direct diplomacy with the iranian regime. what is your view on the terms of rejoining the nuclear deal? shou

to everybody that was alive on january 6th there's another one who has felt the republican ire, cindy mccainace, courage and humor in my life with john mccain. yoits it is good to have you. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> i miss the senator ripping me to shreds before every interview i ever did with him. one of his favorite lines was i wish i was there. or i wish you could leap a little closer so i could get a clean shot at your nose. he had human o with with you he had principle. you knew that those were two things you can count on. ms. mccain, you said you have hope the party can regenerate itself and swing away from the disgrace it has become. i know you just wrote it, but watching what's happening now, do you still feel that way, but for now-ish this party is going the wrong direction? >> when john and i first started all this, the republican party was really, truly a wonderful place to be. it was the party of inclusion. it was the party of abraham lincoln, all the things that we know about it. at the point we're at right now, there's only one way to go and that's up. the pendu

cindy mccain and the mccain institute or their leadership in organizing today's discussion. i like to make some brief introductions and will get right into the questions. we have three castes who i think are known globally. certainly in the united states. senator chris murphy from connecticut he served in the house for three terms and eight terms in the connecticut negeneral assembly. we have representative michael mccaul congressman from texas withte distinction as a republican leader on the house foreign affairs committee. we also have general allen who is the president of the brookings institute presaged tired u.s. marine corps four-star general former nato security assistance force and u.s. forces inn afghanistan. want to begin by asking a question to senator murphy. senator, you have been very supportive of president biden's early steps to reverse course on iran after the last four years of the trump administration. you supported lifting the travel restrictions on iranian diplomats in new york. you supported reversing the snap active u.s. sanctions. and you also support

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i'll speak with the wife of john mccain, cindy mccain, next. plus waiting to exhale, vaccination rates are starting to slow. how could the u.s. make the case to those who are hesitant to get the shot? hello, i'm jake tapper in washington. with the state of our union is trying to build bridges. literally and figuratively. president biden's multi-trillion dollars plan to expand social safety nets are being put to the test in a congress more divided than at any time in modern history as polls show a majority of americans do nonetheless want to political leaders to prioritize being bipartisan over acleaving everything they want to accomplish. for many in the republican party, the focus is else with. too many continuing to embrace the culture of lying about biden's proposal, about the vaccine and the insurrection and publishing fellow lawmakers that don't demonstrate adequate fealty to president trump and booing the republican nominee mitt romney. i'll talk to susan collins about the state of her party and whether bipartisanship is possible on the i

. >> me neither. >> i'm glad to hear it but not surprised. >> beautiful. >>> shifting gears to cindy mccainife with john mccain." she reflects on lessons learned alongside the war hero, arizona senator and two-time presidential candidate who you know died from brain cancer back in 2018. in our emmy nominated series "note to self," we hear from the businesswoman, philanthropist, and high-profile political wife. here is her note to her adolescent self. ♪ >> oh, cindy, you are 14 years old and very busy planning your life. but here's the secret -- you can't always plan. the unexpected will happen and take you in directions you never dreamed when you meet a man at a cocktail party who intrigues you beyond all reason. follow your heart. >> i was on a flight over the city of hanoi -- >> at first you won't know anything about him or his heroic military history. only that he looks very handsome in his dress white uniform. soon his intellect and understanding of world e will leave you awed. right now you don't think much about politics -- i'm cindy mccain -- and you might laugh at the idea of knocki

senator menendez congressman kinzinger and vladimir thank you for joining and again thank you cindy mccain in the mccain institute for bringing us all together. it's been a great conversation. >> lettuce gavel in. this hearing is fully virtual and we have two address a few housekeeping matters. today's meeting designated by the staff are not under recognition for the purposes of eliminating background noise and responsible for meeting and the

do i want to put cindy mccain about whether or not she would serve in a biden administration? that's how messed things are right now. you want to expose the widow of john mccain. >> she can handle it. >> that's who she is. but that i have to think about it. >> i'm going to talk about that right now. you know what i get all the time, oh, don, why are you talking about trump so much. we're sick of talking about trump. because what's happening in the republican party, trump is a big part of it, affects all of us. >> he's more powerful right now. he's like obi-wan kenobi. >> i don't know if he is more powerful. i don't know about that. i think he's more sinister and up think he's more the wizard of oz but does he have powers? we'll soon find out. the midterm is coming up. >> i love you d. lemon. >> i love you more, brother. i'm going to get to what we're talking about. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. and i know. i hear it from you all the time. i'm going to explain to you why. because the big lie is now the new g.o.p. normal. one of the only truth tellers left, once republica

again on the behalf of the memory of john mccain and cindy mccain especially thank you's for all of youhave brought to this discussion today. i pray god will bless you and your family with only good things for a lot more years to come. >> thank you. >> be well, see you soon freights brick this week we are featuring book tv showcasing what is available every weekend on cspan2. tonight illinois democratic senator tammy duckworth speaks about her life and career in the military and in the u.s. senate. the informer republican speaker of the house john bana reflects on his five years as speaker thomas 24 year career in the house of representatives and the future of the republican party. followed by former democratic senator carl 11 from michigan who looks back on his 36 year career including his time of the armed service committee. watch book tv tonight at eight eastern on cspan2. marco ♪ ♪ >> now a hearing on the presence 2022 budget request for the library of congress, the congressional budget office and the government accountability office. his hearing held by the association subcommittee

it is a pleasure for me to have been asked for this conversation with cindy mccain about her new book. and full disclosure

a great pleasure for me to have been asked to have this conversation with cindy mccain about her new book "stronger" and full disclosure i am not an interviewer. john mccain is one of the blessings of our lives. i love this book and ask a read it. but i did read it and i loved it. it's a remarkable story in which you tell a lot of stories and portrays sides of john mccain that the difficult times in your life because of illness where he was not only very -- but he was very caring and we see a lot of examples of physics dirt city and humor. this is really a a story in the book about you. it's your book and you pay great tribute to john mccain but i look at the title "stronger" and it didn't sink in and when i finished the book i said whoa this book shows how one person, cindy mccain got stronger over her life read she was tested and she had opportunities that people never have richie came from strength in her own family and she just got stronger and now in this very difficult period after john's death she has dropped -- understrength and her capacity to carry on so to me this is a won

you know, cindy mccain has all but left the republican party in arizona. but a lot of this fight really is playing out in the states even more so than in washington, d.c. in congress. but the big way it's playing out in congress, of course, is this fight between cheney and mccarthy. mccarthy has sort of distanced himself from liz cheney recently. there is talk among house republicans that there could be another vote to try and expel cheney from leadership. and it's all over this same issue. it's all over fealty to donald trump. and liz cheney is not willing to change her mind about him and what he did and his responsibility for january 6th. other republicans either don't want to talk about that or defend trump outright. >> we'll be watching to see what happens. ryan lizza, many thanks as always. >> thank you, rosemary. >>> caitlyn jenner is facing backlash from many in the lgbtq community for her views on trans athletes. jenner is a former olympian and a transgender woman herself, and she plans to challenge california's democratic governor as a republican

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. >> tolu, jake tapper did a great interview with the widow of john mccain, sinds cindy mccain, and her about this issue within the republican party and he brought up mccain's concession speech, what mccain said after he lost to obama. let's play it for people so they can remember what it was once like. >> senator obama and i have had and argued our differences and he has prevailed. no doubt many of those differences remain. these are difficult times for our country. and i pledge to him tonight to do all in my power to help him lead us through the many challenges we face. >> that's what mitt romney would like to come back. that's what i think ana navarro would like to come back and a number of other republicans. but it's not what, as jim noted, other republicans want to come back, tolu, does it, or are things just different now? >> that's just not where the energy is in the party at the moment. former president trump really flipped the script on how to be a president and how to be someone who loses a presidential election. he did not concede to joe biden. he did not have any gracious wo

. >>> in our series "note to self," cindy mccain writes a note to her younger self and shares reflectionsnd a lifetime alongside senator and war hero john mccain. >>> that's the "cbs morning news" for this friday. thanks for watching. i'm anne-marie green. have a great weekend. ♪

i'm cindy mccain. i am very honored today to have a good friend of mine join us. nancy pelosi. she is the speaker of the house of representatives and a continuous breaker at the glass ceiling. an extremely effective

it is a pleasure for me to have been asked for this conversation with cindy mccain about her new book and

cindy mccain talks about her life with her late husband and her book stronger.he is interviewed by joseph lieberman. watch on c-span two. >> up next. west virginia republican senator shelley moore capito and virginia democrat senator tim kaine. they answer questions on bipartisanship in congress. the presidents joint address to congress, the january 6 attack on the u.s. capitol and other , house and senate agenda items. the institute of democracy is the host. it is about one hour. >> good morning everyone.

later cindy mccain talks about her life with her late husband mike make -- late husband senator mccainwhat's book tv on c-span2 -- watch book tv on c-span2. >> president biden held a drive-in rally in duluth, georgia to celebrate his 100 days in office. ♪ >> good afternoon, georgia. it is an honor to be of two immigrants >> today i am standing here on the eve of the anniversary of the fall of saigon, this fathera south vietnamese army pilot and so many other soldiers, american and south vietnamese, scrambled as they evacuated a city that started to burn. a nation that started to fall. on the horizon was a glimmer of hope. some call it the shining city on the hill. we all know it to be america. and america became their home. this is my story. my family's story. one of millions that make up the asian american experience here in our nation. we are living the american dream. may is right around the corner. and with it, so is asian american pacific islander heritage month and awareness. the awareness part is important. as an asian american small business owner here, in georgia, and america,

but cindy mccain, wife of late senator john mccain says the withdrawal must be done right or it's all john would say right now, what he would be feeling and thinking about the pull out. i think it's more how we pull out. many lives were lost and unless we do this the correct way, and i believe we will, i believe in the president, that the whole effort will be for nothing unless we do it correctly. >> president joe biden and his administration are looking to reshape america's image abroad. u.s. secretary of state is overseas this week, anthony blinken in london with a packed schedule ahead of the first face-to-face meetings with g-7 foreign ministers in more than two years. top diplomat tells cnn's "60 minutes" with foreign policy, big biggest concern is china. >> what we've witnessed last several years is china acting more repressively at home and aggressively abroad. that's a fact. >> what's china's goal? >> i think over time china believes it can be, should be and will be the dominant country in the world. >> secretary is expected to talk to counterparts from asia in coming hours. a

then on her weekly author interview program, "after words", cindy mccain discusses family, country, and her life with her late husband republican senator john mccain of arizona. find full schedule information online @booktv.org. or consult your program guide. now we kick off this weekend with vaccine confidence project founding director

i want to thank mister miss cindy mccain and the mccain institute for their leadership for organizing today's discussion. i'd like to make brief introductions and then we will get right into the questions. we have three guests i think are known globally. certainly in the united states. senator chris murphy from connecticut who was served in the house for threeterms served for eight years and the connecticut general assembly . we have representative michael mccall, congressman from texas. with distinction as the republican leader on the house or in affairs committee . we also have general ouallen who is the president of the brookings institute he's a retired us marine corps or star general. a former commander of the nato international purity assistance force and us forces in afghanistan. i want to begin by asking a question to senator murphy. senator, you've been very supportive of president biden's early steps to reverse course on iran during the last four years of the trumpet ministration. you supported letting the travel restrictions on iranian diplomats and newyork , you supported

just a couple of months prior to coronavirus i was with cindy mccain and we were in halifax at the international security conference that john mccain regularly went to and they were giving the mccain award and they're are getting it to some of these freedom fighters and resistors from hong kong and they came and told us this thread of what was happening to them under the chinese communist party. it's the same party who's in charge where wuhan existed you can discuss what they did right, what they did wrong but there is been a history of bad behavior come out of that. and now you say okay what about the world health organization if they're trying to get that information? how trustworthy are they? i had concerns about them from back in ebola, watched of the elections worked. that's much more of a a politl lobbying process that it is based on the knowledge of medicine and next breakthroughs and watching pandemics. i don't think there is right now globally an international organization that commands the sort of respect that one would look to as an authority figure, and to try to deal with that and g

he's been our guests on in-depth on book tvram anytime g next on booktv afterwards program cindy mccainiscusses family, country and her life with her late husband republican senator john mccain of arizona. interviewed by joseph lieberman former u.s. senator and vice presidential nominee. >> well, everybody. it is a pleasure for me to have been asked for this conversation with cindy mccain about her new

. >> sunday, on "after words," cindy mccain talks but her life with the late husband, senator john mccain in the book, stronger, interviewed by joseph lieberman. watch this weekend on c-span2. >> good afternoon, everybody, and thank you for joining us today for the latest in our

you know, cindy mccain all but left the republican party in arizona.ing out in the states more than washington d.c. and congress. the big way in congress is the fight between chain and he mccarthy. he has distanced himself from liz cheney. it is all over the same issue, over feel donald trump. liz cheney is not willing to change her mind. other republicans don't want to talk about that or defend trump outright. >> president biden is getting the pandemic under control. unemployment is going down. the economy is looking good. republicans say hey, we are paying more for gas. they can't accept that president biden is getting the country back in shape. even absent passing the full biden agenda, they have two big things going for them. he is looking quite good in terms of accomplishing both of those goals. that is a pretty good two years. he has a decent chance if he can maintain his margins in the house and the senate to pass pretty big laws. the crazy thing that in american politics all of that might not be enough for democrats to have a good midterm elect

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cindy mccain and a lot of arizonans still republicans saying this is no good. know what is going on here, but very end of the last week, board of supervisors here sent a preservation letter to the arizona senate saying don't destroy everything, everything has to be preserved in case of a lawsuit. you only do that if you're seriously contemplating a lawsuit. is it possible that the republican board of supervisors could sue the senate here in federal court and try to put a stop to this thing? i think it is possible. we have to see what's going on here. i hope so, if they won't do it, justice department ought to step in. >> a lot of people agree on that. one of the other concerns is seeing people around the country engaged in these challenges to a long completed election. trying to overturn it or just shore up those in the republican base who believe that the election wasn't real. then turning around and running to be the secretary of state, to replace people who might have stood up to this in 2020, and replace them with themselves. talking in the break about gove

cindy mccain has just published a new book entitled, "stronger."tails experiences, opportunities, and challenges in a public life. i asked her about a wide range of topics, including a major decision in the run for president. let's talk about the decision to select sarah palin as running mate. was that a good decision in retrospect? or a mistake? >> you know, it was the decision. john was one it never looked back. he didn't believe in hindsight being 20/20. john wanted to bounce outside the box of it. that is the kind of guy he was. we took a chance on her. >> you can watch the entire program on commonwealth.org. a delightful conversation. >> sounds like it. >>> let's check out what's going on with the weather. spencer has the latest. >> we are undergoing some rather significant changes. it is still breezy. noticed the guests near the coast, 25 to 30 mile an hour winds. cooler weather is certainly on the way. here is a look at the clouds and fog racing across the bay, pushing it to some of the inland areas. the cooling is coming. forecast features

impropriety and or workplace conditions area than on our weekly author interview program "after words", cindy mccainiscusses family, country and her life with her likehusband john of arizona . i fall schedule information online at booktv.org or consult your program guide. >> a look at publishing industry news. norton has halted publication of blake bailey's recent biography of philip roth following actual assault allegations against the author. a publisher stop at 10,000 copies, the second printing of the book after it landed on bestseller lists and has pulled all promotion. bailey denied the charges and call them categorically false and libelous. blisters weekly reported on the future of in person author events in the wake of the pandemic. the publishing industry news source reese reached out to several bookstores libraries and publishers to get their thoughts for the return of touring authors found that for the moment publishers and booksellers are willing to stick with virtual readings . there are a growing number of knowledge mints. in other news, simon and schuster has rebuffed a petition from

. >>> and in our note to self series cindy mccain writes act about motherhood and the lessons she learned husband senator john mccain >>> we will hear from a san francisco state grad who just released a new children's book. plus the fourth season of dynasty premiers tonight. grant talks with us ahead of the episode. you watch it at kpix.com or on the kpix app. we want to take a look outside before we head to break from our treasure island camera out at the city of san francisco and of course the beautiful bay bridge. and all of us at kpix 5 want to give a special shout out to our moms. >> happy mother's day to all the moms out there. especially to my beautiful mom tammy. mom , i'm so luck you to be your daughter. thank you for teaching to cook and how to clean and especially thousand -- how to plant flowers. i love you mom. happy mother's day. >> so precious. that is our editor molly sending some love to her mom. she put all of these videos together for us and did a wonderful job. send us your shout outs as well. happy early mother's day to all this unplugged device is protecting our beau

here is how cindy mccain, wife of the late senator john mccain reacted. >> the whole thing is ludicrous ludicrous. this comes from a state party that refused to be audited themselves on votes cast within their own party communications. so, you know, it's -- the election is over. biden won. >> cnn's kyung lah joins me now with the latest on the arizona recount. kyung, there are elements of this audit that can only be described as bizarre. this is weird stuff. >> it's really insane. and i've spoken to both democrats and republicans, who are elections officials and experts. these are people who know what they're doing across the country, and they are straining themselves, even call it an audit, because this is unlike anything they have ever seen. the carnival has arrived at the arizona state fairgrounds in phoenix. this one in the parking lot is called the crazy times carnival. inside the coliseum is a different sort of spectacle, replaying the big lie in the 2020 election. this is yet another tally of the nearly 2.1 million ballots in maricopa county but this so-called audit is unlike any

susan collins and cindy mccain and kinzinger, -- missouri's republican party executive director forced to resign after getting threatening messages because she refused to push the lie. they're all getting hit. this is trump tightening his grip on the republican party. how far will this purity test go? who's next? jim acosta is "outfront" live in washington. it is really incredible that kevin mccarthy, a smart individual would say what he said today given the reality of the situation. >> so you cover fed four years the trump's presidency, saying something that's true that's a lie and somehow people run along with it and tells them how great he looks. you are talking to your sources towed in the trump world. what are you hearing? >> it is another day of cancel culture of donald trump. talking to my sources, people who talked to the former president and people advised donald trump's political team. i talked to one adviser today who says this is about retribution. disrupt wants to get revenge against liz cheney and the other nine house republicans voted to impeach during the impeachment sa

tune in next week when i'll be joined by cindy mccain, john krasinski, and morgan freeman.

. >> that was cindy mccain on the election audit that's underway right now in arizona.nto question. but this time is just bizarre. they have brought in a firm called the cyber ninjas to lead an audit from maricopa even though the county's election board is led by republicans. they're using ultra-violet lights and other strange methods to examine ballots for evidence of voter fraud. these are the same lies that led to the january 6th riot at the u.s. capitol. joining me now to discuss is laurie roberts, the headline on her newest column asks "can arizona election audit gets anymore laughable"? it can and it just did. thank you for joining me. >> glad to be here, happy sunday d . >> the firm conducting the audit is called the cyber ninjas. who are they? >> it is a tiny cyber security firm that has absolutely no experience in elections. it does however have a ceo, doug logan who whahas the experience having promoted a variety of conspiracy theories about the election all of which lead to the conclusion that donald trump really won the election. he's the man who's overseein