. >> megyn: i will hold you over because i want to pick it up with cindy thomas after the break. is cindy and then there is lois and we will talk about that next. [ male announcer ] running out of steam? ♪ now you can give yourself a kick in the rear! v8 v-fusion plus energy. natural energy from green tea plus fruits and veggies. need a little kick? ooh! could've had a v8. in the juice aisle. so you can make easy, no-fee reloads with cash and checks... ♪ ♪! and know you're not on your own. so you can get the reloadable card that keeps up with you. chase liquid. so you can. >> megyn: vince vaughn is an anchor for fox 19 in cincinnati investigating the -- ben swann has been investigating this. is anybody looking to talk to cindy thomas and speak to her after lois lerner her boss took the fifth. >> we have been reporting about cindy thomas and yet she hasn't been called before congress. i talked to a congressman who said he took our reports to the members of the ways and means committee and showed them the reports saying they need to call this woman up to testify. what the viewers ha

one more detail on cindy thomas.ber that progress civil journalism program, the manager who signed off on that document release, cindy thomas. will congress call up cindy thomas under oath about what she knows? sean? >> sean: thank you for that information. joining me is reince priebus. thanks for joining us. >> hi, sean. >> sean: it started as a rogue agent, nobody in the white house knew, except the president's white house counsel, and then later, of course, the chief of staff. all that unraveled. >> it's all unraveling. that's what happens when you spend all day trying to cover things up. lois lerner started triggering three important steps to get to a special counsel. one is whether a criminal investigation is warranted. well, if you plead the fifth amendment, after you say of course you have nothing to hide, you're, in essence, calling for -- at least illustrating or telling your -- the people in america that actually criminal investigation isÑ9y+w)anted. the second thing is whether or not it's in the public int

her name, you see it there is cindy thomas. is the manager of the tax exempt division in cincinnati. she is also the only common link to the rest of those six agents. and, in 2012 she released information to investigative journalist group about conservative groups who apply for nonprofit status. also released, private information about conservative groups that were never approved for the nonprofit status. so, when you talk about the hierarchy, megyn, when you get below lois lerner who is in washington and you get into ohio and cincinnati, the person below lois lerner is cindy thomas. she may be the next person that investigators and congress would like to talk to. >> megyn: yet, she has not yet been called to testament trace, thank you. joining me now jim jordan a member of that oversight government reform committee. congressman, great to see you, what do you make of that? will cindy thomas be added to the witness list and forced to come in and answer to whether she had a role in this? >> i think the chances are very strong. i

he was is the son of cindy sheehan, she set up the camp outside bush's ranch in texas. but thomasthe neck down. came back to the united states, and, um, he started speaking out against war after he was somewhat rehabilitated. but then he threw a pulmonary embolism a few years ago, and his physical health started to deteriorate. and he is now making a decision -- we sent a camera crew into his house in kansas city with his wife, claudia, because his voice was soft, and we wanted to insure people could hear what he was saying, what he was thinking. and we had phil donahue in our studio in new york. now phil, of course, everyone knows from the phil donahue show, sort of oprah before oprah, and then he had a show on msnbc, right before the invasion and was summarily dumped even though it was the most popular show on msnbc, it was the 8:00 slot in the evening. and we got ahold of the secret nbc memo that essentially said afterwards as we move into war, we're not going to have an anti-war face on a flagship show when the other networks are waving the american flag. i think that expressi