cit -- the pilot proposal can only be implemented after cit is up and running. commissioner hammer: i appreciate your proposed amendments. i think the first to make a lot of sense. the third one i am concerned about, not because i do not think the officers in a pilot program ought not to be trained. just the opposite. i think we are going to have the opportunity as to put together a proposal to have a lot of requirements for the pilot program -- how many years the officers are going to be in it, a clean disciplinary record, a judgment from his or her superiors, and most importantly having already received the 40 hours of training that more than 900 of our officers have done. however, i would be opposed to making it contingent upon another program that is very, very important and is obviously just starting. we voted on it two weeks ago. both of these things are going to progress at whatever track they do. i am uncomfortable having one contingent upon the other. i think we can accomplish what we need and want by having whatever our proposal be, if there is one, if

like cit implemented? i am worried about a pilot program getting started before cit. president mazzucco: let me try to clarify my intention. if in 90 days we were to come back, how long would it take the department to fire those weapons? chief godown: the ceds? that is something i have to look into. i need to actually research stuff. i am committed to the program. the department is committed. that has nothing to do with the dgo. if we do a pilot program and six months down the road the commission says no more ceds, it does not matter what the dgo says. i cannot use them anymore. commissioner chan: if you have a pilot program of them running and cit takes longer, and it is not up and running, but the pilot is up and running in whatever district and someone is mentally ill -- a worry about that. commissioner hammer: my clear intent in the motion is that no officer is provided -- i think commissioner slaughter has in mind that no officer in this program, has not received the training in this program. this is

>> the cit coordinator would likely go to memphis. i think we sent three members to go to memphis before we adopt the program. now that we have adopted it, memphis has invited us to come back, to bring our cit coordinator, mental health stakeholders, to get more intensive training. that group would then come together and revamp and revise their training and find folks who are professionals who are willing to give their time to training. and it would be 20% to 25% of the permit would be trained intensively in this cit training. then there would be a basic training for all officers, about 16 hours. so you have a special unit that gets that training, and those that they are being deployed as first responders, as well as a basic level of understanding with all officers. supervisor mirkarimi: supervisor campos. supervisor campos: thank you, commissioner, for being here. i also want to thank hillary ronin from my staff for helping to monitor what has been going on with this issue. i want to reiterate what supervisor mirkarimi indicated abou

yes, the cit program. yes, the mental-health program, but the reality is, when you have somebody involved in a family dispute, where we have had some tactical situations where we really needed to slow down, and the cit process would have been applicable to everyone, has that ever come up? >> some have experimented. it is not something that has been systematically study, but i will tell you this. i think you are right in a sense. i think you can see this more thing where it has such imported that it begins to change the entire department. -- i think you can see this have such import where it is beginning to change the entire department. this comes from the team in the stages that we are at. the memphis area and a lot of the others, i think that the issue becomes you do not want to lose the ability to get the right person at the right time in the situation departed miggy overtime in an ideal world, we would be able to find it officers to be able to do that. >> i think they need to go through the same cit tra

i commend this commission for voting to put the cit model into place. i urge you to give that model a chance to work, so we can see what that looks like. maybe once we see what that looks like we will realize that tasers are the wrong way to go. i already know that tasers are the wrong way to go, but maybe the police force will also. thank you very much for listening tonight. [applause] president mazzucco: at this time, i think the commissioners need to talk a little bit about this. i think we probably should start with commissioner hammer and i, who put together the amendment to line item four. we probably should start with what we are voting on. commissioner hammer: i am happy to, but i think some interesting things came out tonight. i would like to hear from other commissioners. i think we talked a lot about it. commissioner chan: first, i really want to give a huge thank you for everybody being here past 10:00 at night. that is extreme commitment. i want to thank everybody from the bottom of my heart. [applause] i rode done pretty much everything ev

cit is a heart program. at this time, i would like to turn to my colleague. >> i would like to describe the the research for you. if sam would like to talk about some of the reasons why the officers get involved. not first of all, we have been lucky to be recognized by a number of experts throughout the united states. been built this is policing for the 21st century. -- one comment was that this is policing for the 21st century. we have been honored by a number of organizations. amnesty international thought that this program early protect the individuals with mental illness. what we were struggling with in 1987-'88 was a situation in which people have lost confidence in the police department. what we look that was to see if we could do a better job. ba our program was taken up in washington, d.c.. some captured the issues of some of the training and things that would have been accomplished. there is publicity and community support that developed throughout the nation. we are redirecting individuals from th

. >> i think they need to go through the same cit training. they're going to come into contact with people who are mentally ill or very upset and angry, and in some instances, it is a matter that we could have slowed down. we could have taken our time, and i think this training would be applicable to that. yes, we still need the cit, but i am inclined to mandate that all of the officers go through that so we will get a better contact with the public. most of the people become into contact, there is an issue to be able to use verbals skills, that will save injuries as far as officers are concerned and others. >> korea -- commissioner hammer: the last thing that i want to echo, as somebody who spent time as a d.a., the system is broken, and it is costing us a lot, and with the mental-health illness, it is costing us a lot. it is frustrating because it is a revolving door, and what l.a. does with their smart team, which is another great thing to learn about, is much more reactive -- is much more proactive before it gets to that point. then, we ca

cit is a heart program. at this time, i would like to turn to my colleague. >> i would like to describe the the research for you. if sam would like to talk about some of the reasons why the officers get involved. not first of all, we have been not first of all, we have been lucky to be recognized by a

i was introduced as the coordinator for the cit program. we became familiar with some of the family issues and those related to individuals. i remember very vividly that some of the new members that were attending because a lot of publicity had been extended and they said, how did you know so much about the mint is police department? of course, was only one of many -- mothers that were agitating for change. i have seen them go into a police station not far from where i live and i don't know what they do inside of the police station. they know what they're doing. they go outside and they get in cars and they have no idea what car to get in. they know which one. there are some things that i do now. she said, i know what is right and i know what is wrong and i know what it is kind and i know what is unkind and that is all i need to now. those words back in 1988. those officers that are very special and very unique, i will play a short video for you to capture that heart of cit. >> i'm with a crisis intervention team i have had the opportunity

yes, the cit program. yes, the mental-health program, but the reality is, when you have somebody involved in a family dispute, where we have had some tactical situations where we really needed to slow down, and the cit process would have been applicable to everyone, has that ever come up? >> some have experimented.

another aspect is the patrol division being cit drained. when there is a call, we should have those who are first responders. another has to do with those who are the lead officers. this is building upon the model and the department knows well and we have supported it quite strongly. with that, i am happy to answer any questions. thank you for the opportunity to be a part of this discussion. >> if the commissioners don't have any questions, move on. >> our next speaker, thank you to the mental health providers. this is the president of the national alliance of mental and on the. course commissioners, -- >> commissioners, i appreciate the opportunity to be here. we are friends of the family members of the mentally ill. typically, i am just reminding you that it is one of the drivers which helped to bring the program up and running in memphis. we are really hoping that you attack because of the good attributes you are starting to hear about. i will shorten my presentation on the agenda. obviously, there is increased efficiency and effectivene

a refresher course, focusing on this, so we can more quickly ramp up and get a cit in place? >> absolutely. type in that would be an easy thing to do, but do not lose sight about the community partnership. yes, the training is very, very doable. i have said many times, cit is more than training, so, yes, you can look at your existing training program, and these need to be addressed in order to fulfill some of the gaps that may or may not be present, but this needs to be a part of that process. commissioner

i have said many times, cit is

çit seems so obscure and so big -- i do not even know if seven people could tackle this issue. >> webe detected in citing every illegal vehicle operator, but it will be important for the illegal operators to know that when they come, there is enforcement and there are consequences in the form of $5,000 penalties, getting your vehicle towed. currently, enforcementç involvs a police officer riding a citation for less than $200 and not telling the vehicle. that is just the cost of doing business. >> is there some sort of policy that will incentivize other taxi driversç who are legally operating their car to turn in a fellow driver if their operation is not legal? >> we do not need to do that. they are begging us to take this enforcement action. i considered asking them to send us photographs but i do not want our taxi drivers to take photographs while they are driving. we are looking for every way that we can become effective. that has to do wiéh!fine amounts, field presence, being able to tow, and it has to do with being visible. >> are their current programsç that you are modeling

listen to the voice of our community to prevent needless death of our community members through the cit model. i was also pleased to see another overture, when the chief attended a meeting of the lgbt democratic club to discuss our views on pacers. -- on tasers. thank you for doing that. community engagement is the heart of effective public safety and needs to be a consideration in every step of every issue. there are two things you need to do to listen to the community. nearly every person in this room who is now wearing a blue collar does not want -- who is not wanting a blue collaearing a b s not want tasers. the same goes for those that were in the community overflow rooms. do what the aclu suggested. medical experts, representation from the school board, and representatives from the community must work with you on protocol and tactical options for less than lethal force situations. this group must look at all options, not just tasers. consensus is possible. but consensus building will seriously take time. correct me if i'm wrong, but you said last night you did not want the departm

the cit officers would be available 24/7 and would network with local mental health experts.he acting chief wants to take it a step further. >> the reality is the cit program should be morphed into standardized training to any officer that has any contact with anybody. >> it comes on the heels of a january incident which san francisco police shot and wounded 55-year-old randall as he sat in a wheelchair. he had slashed an officer in the shoulder. he is now in jail and his attorney says they're considering filing a lawsuit against the city. >> i'm glad to see they're considering at least with community has asked them to consider. >> the acting police chief says he wants a month to put finishing touches on the resolution. it could take a year to implement. leslie brinkley, abc 7 news. >> 4:36 now. this morning a san jose judge will decide whether a man accused of assaulting a priest will stand trial. william lynch is accused of beating father jerry lindner last year in los gatos. lynch says lindner molested him and his brother more than 30 years ago. demonstrators gathered outs

i understand the cit program, fatalities, and this is really going to be a bombshell, but would not be perfect if everyone was trades like this? where there is somebody upset, and they can slow supervisor campos: welcome to the very 102011 meeting of the board of supervisors government audit oversight committee. my name is david campos, the chair of the committee. i am joined by committee vice chair supervisor mark farrell and committee member board president david chiu. we want to thank sfgtv staff for covering the meeting. thank you for your work. madam clerk, do we have any announcements? >> please make sure to turn off or place all bonds on migrate. if you wish to present any documents, also provide a copy to the court for inclusion into the vial. items acted upon to they will be included in the february 15 board of supervisors meeting. supervisor campos: thank you. we have a very light agenda. before i begin with the item, i have a basic question to the clerk. i am wondering if it is possible in the future for the people watching these meetings, for the agenda item -- is it possib

i am working very hard with commissioner chan on the cit program, the memphis program. the will be a component of the mental health issues we have in the city. this is separate from the use of less lethal, including the taser. we are a century city. we are not supposed to purchase products from arizona. we will have a thoughtful, methodical approach as to what we bring back to the commission. i want as much public input as possible. i want public involvement. i am going to pick some public stakeholders to be involved in the training process and come back and report to the commission of transparent this department has been. commissioner dejesus, did we talk about the actual dgo? commissioner dejesus: my understanding is this is not amending the dgo. chief godown: we are not amending the dgo tonight. i do not want to act like a bunch of lawyers, but tonight is authorizing a proposal for the youth of -- use of tasers or a similar weapon. commissioner dejesus: i was at a meeting last night and won the thing that you told the community members there -- it would be more than

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. >> çit is a universe that is difficult to eliminate, that we can only minimize, i think.tractive thing, especially in these times, for someone to get an illegal vehicle and come to san francisco and take the chance of getting caught. it has been a serious problem for decades. it is a problem in every major municipality that has a taxi regulators. ] citation that has been issued by the police department. i can tell you in 2010, i believe the police department issued -- i think it was 125 illegal vehicle citationsç, about 300 citations to legal vehicles that were acting outside of their charter. so that is about 400 citations issued by the police department during one calendar year. but that does not account the degree of the problem. that is simply what the police department has been able to apply. >> the revenue generated from the citations, does it then return to the mta? >> the $2,500 fine would goç to the criminal court, just as any other misdemeanor case. the $5,000 fine by state law is required to be reapplied to illegal vehicle investigation and enforcement. >> wh

a refresher course, focusing on this, so we can more quickly ramp up and get a cit in place? >> absolutely. type in that would be an easy thing to do, but do not lose sight about the community partnership. yes, the training is