claire a carl stuart, anaura and john beckworth, hobby family foundation. [evan smith] i'm evan smith, he's an award winning poet whose memoir, "how we fight for our lives" has just been publishe he's saeed jones, this is "overheard." (upbeat music) [smith] let's be honest, is this about the ability to learn or is this about the experience of not having been taught properly? how ha avoided what has befallen other nations in africa? but you caused him to sleepn it. you know, you saw a problem and over time, took it on. elet's start with the siz before we get to the steak. are you gonna run for president? i ink i just got an f from you, actually. ghing) this is "overheard." (audience applauding) [smith] saeed jones, welcome. [saeed jones] thank you, hey! [smith] and congratulations-- [jones] thank you so much. [smith] --on this. i think it's an enormous accomplishment. [jones] thank you. [smith] of this book. as i shared with you before we came out, i don't like anything. (laughin i'm not moved by anything. [jones] ok. [smith] i'm totally closed off. [jones] oh you're elsa. [smith] well, sure ok. [jones] cold. [smith] the second time i read this book, i got teary. because i really think that it