she said had a brief conversation with claudine gay beforehand. >> what claudine gay said to me was,r this hearing?" so i said, "well, my vision is that you will get a spine "and that you will speak with moral clarity "about what's happening on your campus, "and that you will make some decisions that will stop the bad behavior that's going on on the campuses." today, each of you will have a chance to answer to and atone for the many specific instances of vitriolic, hate-filled antisemitism on your respective campuses. >> narrator: all of the presidents denounced antisemitism. >> there is no place for antisemitism at harvard. >> narrator: all supported israel's right to exist. >> do you believe that israel has a right to exist as a jewish nation? >> absolutely, israel has the right to exist. >> narrator: many of the questions also reflected a much broader set of conservative concerns about the direction of higher education. >> what is the percentage of conservative professors at your institutions? >> would you allow president trump, who is a graduate of upenn, to speak at upenn if a s

host: one of the follow-up we saw because of that right after it was claudine gay of harvard.. within weeks of that hearing, the president of the university of pennsylvania resigned and then we saw christopher rufo, who is an activist who is leading this campaign against diversity, equity and inclusion college emphasis and elsewhere and he published a series of articles about allegations of plagiarism that claune gay had first plagiarized parts of her dissertation and other instances surfaced and under this cloud of controversy, she resigned. host: pamela is necks from miami, opposed. caller: good morning. just a reminder to everybody that october 7, the murders were -- the israelis were murdered by terrorists. and after that harvard and others support the massacre of jews. this was before any idf responses. the university presidents could t condemn the speed -- students screaming "death to jews," and using violence to prevent jewish students from going c i think that this is about students, the justice for palestine and american muslims for palestine organizations supported b

host: you talked about college presidents and we talked about claudine gay.dent. e toh criticism and questioning, what did she do differently than others didn't? guest: she obviously had seen the previous testimony with the president of harvard and m.i.t. and did not want to repeat that. she was invited to the first hearing but shee country at the time. so they called her in was very . she was asked that same question by elise stefanik about whether con for the genocide of the jews was a violation of the school's code of conduct. she was very quick to say absolutely as opposed to a more nuanced answer to the question. so she clearly learned from the first hearing. i think it was controversial though. () to be under pressure from both dors campus to crack dow■ ways some faculty members to list in the e school under theeak, and did noo and question whether there is truly an antisemitism rises campus and question the symptoms -- committee members and was quick to capitulate that these are n wore spoke to at colombia university who thought that she was quick to c

host: one of the fallouts we saw because of that right after was claudine gay of harvard.st: within weeks of that hearing the president of the university of pennsylvania resigned. christopher russo, who was a conservative who is leading this kindinclusion on cs and elsewhere, and he published a series of■ articles as plagiarism that claudiaplagiarir dissertation and in other instances surfaced under this cloud of controversy and she resigned. host: pamela is next up from miami, opposed to protest. caller: good morning. just a reminder to everybody that october 7, the murders, israelis were murdered by palestinian terrorists. and right after that, harvard and other elite universities with pro-hamas students reporting this massacre of jews. this was before any idf responses. and as just mentioned, university presidents could not condemn the students screaming death to jews and using violence to prevent jewish students from going to classes. i think this is about the students for palestine and muslims are palestine organizations and many other anti-israel forces that organize

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he published a series of articles about allegations of plagiarism that claudine gay had plagiarized parts of her dissertation. >> pamela is next up from miami. pamela. >> hi, good morning. just a reminder to everybody, october 7th, the murders were quibbling to 50,000 americans. the israelis were murdered by palestinian terrorists. right after that, harvard and other universities exploded with pro-hamas students. this was before any idf response. university presidents cannot condemn students screaming death to jews. using violence to prevent jewish students from going to classes. i think that this is about the students for justice for palestine organizations that are supported by anti-israel forces. that would organize this with money that expanded the protest. these college campaigns were successful. within months, biden turned against israel. to this day, you can still see in this administration and effort to stop israel from defeating or damaging hamas. >> that is pamela in miami. any info on funding the groups that you mentioned? >> reporting is yet to be done on these funding groups

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bill ackman from harvard, he with drew after the claudine gay scandal he donated massive chunk.om disaffected liberal millionaires. larry: something going on here. monica, the other point is, if you're a small donor, and a new contributor, a lot of people think that means these people are going to vote. in other words, it is not like, rich guy might give 100 grand. don't know if they're on vacation, but if small donors, 25, 50 bucks means a lot, they are going to actually vote. in some ways this is a voting poll as well as a donor poll. >> yeah. you know there is scripture about the impoverished little old woman who puts one penny in the pot. scripture talks about how that means even more than therson whe because they don't feel it where she does, that's what is so critical about this.these people donating the first time are doing it and now they have skin in the game. so they have literally made an investment in donald trump and his campaign and that is more likely to translate into them actually getting out to vote. there is one other point -- larry: you never quoted scripture

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efforts at my alma mater, the university of north carolina at our join alma mater harvard, where claudine gay it was fired over, over racist allegations as well. >> and so i think it's about the permission structure and the climate and the storm that's been created around racism, not whether trump called me the inward or not, that's very kind of like fifth grade energy. your mama joke. >> sorry. i guess i wonder though. i mean, do you think that this is something that actually voters should listen to and here and say, this is who donald trump is and what do you, what do you want to say? to people about what his use of that comment might represent about him as a person yeah. >> and i do think that on the margin, going back to your previous segment, on the margin, this may make a difference if that tape did come out and there's an ability for people to hear it like they heard the unfortunate comments about grabbing by the pss. why if they heard those types things, maybe on the margin in the seven key swing dates where we know there's going to be very slim margin voting in the suburbs of philade

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claudine gay and harvard. i think the applications at harvard are down according to them 5%, but it should be down more than that. the black matter protests that taken place on college campuses and there have been students that were forced to participate in things to where to take a knee. i had a vanderbilt student contact me because she didn't want to be involved in politics and her team was told that they had to wear a certain and take a knee. she actually went to one of the deans and exempted anyone that wanted to be exempt. it it didn't have to turn out that way. she was a brave person but she did that the racism anti-semitism that's taking place college campuses that's because the dei and some groups are able to get away with things that other groups are not able get away with. and so we're getting to the end here. so my stance, in case you haven't figured it out, is that diversity, equity and inclusion programs should be revisited because they do more harm than good and the funds used to fund these areas

. >> so since the claudine gay scandal at harvard, there appears to have been a bit of a backlash againstnd more people are now waking up to this and saying, actually, this isn't something that we want to support? >> a set of? >> a set of? >> yeah, well, people are very quickly realising that it's not what they thought they were buying into that there's something different to what they thought they were getting. so they heard as many people do. they heard the marketing program. they heard, you know, diversity. that sounds great. diversity is our strength. inclusion. who wouldn't want people included equity better equality. they heard that and they said, yeah, let's do that. and what they found out is that they got sold, poison in the form of what looked like, you know, a beverage or whatever. so they've been fooled and people are quickly waking up to the fact that they've been fooled and that this is damaging their companies. it's damaging the universities, it's damaging the government apparatuses. it's damaging everything it touches, which is, i would argue, what it's designed to actuall

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