i want to bring back in clint van zandt. clint, one thing that we notice with these school shootings, is they don't typically happen in urban environments. they typically happen in the suburbs. why is that the case? >> well, i think that's one of the things we're trying to understands now. we know guns are available throughout the united states. there are at least 90 guns in the united states for every 100 people, so it's not that someone can't get ahold of guns. we also know that in the last 14 years -- let's take the last 14 years, for example. the first seven of those years, we averaged about six mass shootings a year. we've now -- we're now averaging in the last seven years, 16 mass shootings. so, this is coming more and more prevalent. there is more people, either as jim cavanaugh and your other guest suggests, that we're either acting out in the workplace, or as i told you earlier, the number of school shootings are increased. we've had 90 shootings almost since sandy hook. so, this is -- someone called it an epidemic.

i want to go straight to clint van zandt. clint, you heard what was said. what do you make from what they said? it wasn't a lot of information necessarily. >> no, it's not a lot of information, but it's unfortunately the conclusion that many people was afraid was going to happen. they found human remains. they haven't identified those remains yet. they'll do that either by clothing, by personal belongings, and/or by dental or dna, so it's going to take a little while. but the authorities when they look at the condition of the remains that they found, they may have a pretty good idea whether those remains are male or female are whether they relate to hannah graham. it seems like it does. the previous case that is perhaps linked to this, too, where another student was murdered and found in a remote location, this seems to be the same m.o. of the same killer. the authorities right now have to figure out if their current suspect is responsible for at least the two crimes he's been linked to by dna. and of course, he was the last person, i'm referring to jesse m

. >> joining me now kelly avalino and nbc analyst clint van zandt., we'll start with you first. any word -- i know it's early on. when we'll get results from the forensics investigation? >> reporter: not yet. that identification can take weeks. however, i do have a feeling that the scientists at the richmond medical examiner's office will be working diligently to make a positive identification on the remains. as you said it is a death vags at this point. the search for hannah has been officially called off. i want to tell you about the location of where those remains were found and how it ties in to the suspect in this case, jesse matthew. jesse matthew lived and grew up in that same area. where the remains were found yesterday. morgan harrington has been forensically linked to jesse matthew. her body was found five miles from yesterday. matthews has been charged with abduction in the. let's get to clint van zandt. we have the forensic process moving ahead. >> yeah. what are the essential steps and the clues that might come from what they are now doi

michael weiss, clint van zandt and nbc's pete williams. i want to bring in clint. how does this strike you as a pro who goes to bed and thinks about it. how does this strike the canadian capital, this placid picture postcard little place that i would love to be and visit. all of a sudden now has to lock down and start bringing all the big tiger teeth and doors in your face and official ways and metal detectors and everything else that just changes the quality of our democracy and has already done it to us. >> yeah, it's going to change. it's got to change here. i mean, once it happens one time, you can't get fooled again. you've got to prepare. you know, chris, the government tells us -- our government tells us, you know, plus or minus 100 people that the fbi is keeping track of. now, some of these people are those that have gone to the middle east to try to hook up in syria with isis. those who have gone and come back. and those who have gone and been rejected and they can't get out any other way. so, we've got these kind of hanging out there. and then you've got

and clint van zandt, former fbi profiler. interesting that one of the actualities that came from a student that spoke to the media about what had unfolded, the deceased, the shooter, jaylen fryberg was described as a happy kid. what do you make of that? and also very little detail coming from the police. they don't want to manke a mistake. your thoughts? >> it's more challenging here. last week he was crowned the prince of his high school homecoming. he was described as a happy kid. he is on the football team. i mean, all of these are the exact opposite of the bullied, trench coat mafia, computer nerd, stay by themselves type of student. this guy is everything different than what we're told. and what it tells us, number one, is that there is no profile of a shooter. we try to come up with this. we struggle. i'm an ex-fbi profiler and what you learn is there is no exact mold or model you could put over it. if there was, we would identify these kids and pull them out of class and say let us help you now. that doesn't mean we ca

and former fbi profiler and nbc news analyst clint van zandt. dr.h, we've heard reports that the shooter was popular, even just voted homecoming prince. we're used to hearing that school shooters were loners, had a lot of problems. does this surprise you? >> it doesn't. i think the media image of a shooter is a kid who has social issues, who is an sbrofrt, who doesn't fit in, is missing some kind of social chip. but emotional problems can even happen to the most popular, and they're not given a good way to express them. i looked at this young man's twitter feed, and there were days and days and days of angry tweets on it, that no one seemed to be paying attention to. >> we've heard reports that this was about a girl. what's your reaction? >> well, you know, i specialize in attachment theory. these are the ways that people attach across the life span. and in our most intimate relationships, our desire for intimate relationships, that fine line between love and hate takes place. when you get rejected by somebody who is a potential romantic interest, i

. >>> so joining us now is former fbi profiler and nbc news crime analyst, clint van zandt.has some insight. we just looked, if these are truly connected as the police believe they are, is there something about fall, and can that be a trigger with serial killers? is. >> well, there can be a lot of different triggers, wendy. of in this particular case, we have a time of the year, where especially around a college campus and a community, you've got a lot of people out, we're out by ourselves, we're out alone. we're out at dark, because night seems to last a little longer. but you've got here when we look at jesse matthew, if this is a person responsible for all of these crimes, you've got someone who was an actual predator. you've got somebody who is out almost stalking like a lion would stalk a gazelle. this is someone who could potentially recognize a victim out and about. what he's looking for, he has -- this type of predator looks for somebody who is a alone and looks vulnerable. you put that combination together, you're alone, you're vulnerable, it's the time of year wher

. >> clint van zandt, what i notice here in this case, what stands out to me is the break in what mayave been a pattern. you had six victims in gary, indiana, one victim in hammond and it was the hammond case that tipped people off. is that typical the way these kinds of serial killers are caught? >> part of this is going to be the way police caught him. they indicate that they were able to go to the crime scene where this most recent victim was murdered. and then by virtue of tracing a phone back, they were able to find their current suspect. some of the women have been -- it's been suggested they've been in the escort business. so, perhaps, this may have been a case where he set up a meeting with this young woman. again, you touch a phone, you touch a computer, anything else, the authorities should be able to trace you back. but now we're told that he's talking freely because he wants to make a deal. you know, the deal is going to be interesting. but i think the authorities now believe they can take this guy back at least 20 years on homicides, so we don't know how prolific of a ser

. >>> former fbi profiler and nbc news crime analysts, clint van zan zandt, gave us insight. he said if jesse matthew is responsible for her disappearance and other crimes, he's the type of predator who knows exactly who he is looking for, someone out alone and vulnerable. >> we've got somebody who is out almost stalking, like a lion would stalk a gazelle. this is someone who can potentially recognize a victim out and about. >> clint van zandt says moving forward, authorities need to create a time line to which matthew may be connected. >>> a war veteran accused of scaling a fence and running into the white house has to undergo a mental health evaluation. police say omar gonzalez had a knife in his pocket when he got through the white house front door. he made it all the way into the east room before secret service agents tackled him. a recent examine finds gonzalez was not mentally competent. attorneys from both sides agreed today another evaluation is necessary. gonzalez has pleaded not guilty. >>> an american father who was being held in north korea is on his way back home

clint van zandt is still with us.e're going to hand this over but we'll continue coverage of the school shooting. stay tuned for continuing coverage from marysville, washington. stay with us and we'll continue to have more. >> we continue to follow breaking news here in "the cycle" this friday afternoon. i'm toure. as we come on the air, we're getting new information by the minute about that shooting at a high school near seattle. right now campus remains on lockdown. we don't know how many shots were fired or if there were any victims. we are being told the suspected shooter is dead. students have been seen walking out of their classrooms, gathering in groups outside. they're now being taken to a nearby church to meet their parents. that's the church we're looking at right now. police are on campus securing the location. let's start with msnbc law enforcement analyst jim cavanaugh, a retired atf special agent in charge as well as a hostage negotiator. jim, it is always hard to see you on days like this, when we have

i have former fbi profiler clint van zandt also on the phone. you're hearing this news that it has been confirmed by law enforcement that frein has been captured. he's in custody, eric frein. a senior source said he was caught in a hangar at the pocono mountain airport. frein was not in a public area of the airport, and as we know, he was wanted for allegedly shooting two pennsylvania state troopers, killing one. your reaction. >> well, i was just listening. you're talking to my good friend. he and i have been in the trenches in a number of these situations. so we know what it's like. and you've reported on these for years, al. two things strike me. number one, we remember eric rudolph, the so-called olympic park bomber. this guy stayed a fugitive five years. and as you recall, he was apprehended dumpster diving about 2:00 a.m. in the morning by a local rookie police officer. well, where he was hiding, al, was up on a ridge top where he could look down on the strip mall. but he supposedly, some people suggest, had help from locals in the area. th

we have michael weiss, columnist and editor for the interpreter and clint van zandt. we begin with michelle in ottawa. give us a capsule of what happened today and how it fit into recent fears we've had about terrorism on this continent? >> it certainly has been a fear that we will have attacks here in canada. i think that no one thought canada would be immune to this. and we have become involved with the fight in syria and iraq and that has raised our profile. and as you mentioned in the introduction, there have been call for those who couldn't go over to fight in the name of the islamic state to have attacks at home. and there have been fear among our community and intelligence service that's particularly vulnerable were military personnel and targets. that's what happened this week. both with today's attack, the killing of the soldier, and also on monday there was an attack on quebec where another soldier was killed, struck by a car. >> do the canadian people see this as an intimidation to discourage they will from joining the coalition against isis? >> you know, i

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former fbi profiler clint van zandt joins us, along with jim cavanaugh. t, what does where he was captured tell you? >> well, a number of things. number one, we've heard for these last almost two months that he's a survivalist, that he can hide out in the woods under any conditions. and yet it appears that a team of deputy u.s. marshalls on a routine sweep, were able to find him in this unused, or abandoned in-door facility. so what it says to us, law enforcement has really been the last 48 days, looking for him, all of the preplanned issues of food and equipment and tents and hiding spots, by their actions, they were able to take all of those away from him. reducing him to try to find an abandoned building to hide out in, to get away from the cold, and that's where they got him without firing a shot. he surrendered his weapon and gave up. so you may think he was a really bad guy to kill a state trooper and shoot another out of ambush. but when he was faced with regular law enforcement officers face to face, he did what so many will do, laid down his weapo