so the cmo told cobra correct? not 'ust. so the cmo told cow that — correct? notjust.notjust. so the cmo told cobra that whenever these - correct? notjust. so the cmo told - cobra that whenever these measures for social distancing where, they should not be imposed too early and cobra accepted the proposition? shat cobra accepted the proposition? git the time, yes. cobra accepted the proposition? at the time, yes. page _ cobra accepted the proposition? at the time, yes. page six. _ cobra accepted the proposition? at the time, yes. page six. there - cobra accepted the proposition? at the time, yes. page six. there is - cobra accepted the proposition? at the time, yes. page six. there is a l the time, yes. page six. there is a reference to _ the time, yes. page six. there is a reference to next _ the time, yes. page six. there is a reference to next steps, _ the time, yes. page six. there is a reference to next steps, the - the time, yes. page six. there is a reference to next steps, the chairl reference to next steps, the chair said the government has much response must

cmo had been there. we can see from the second _ cmo had been there.onavirus, but the majority of— short update on the coronavirus, but the majority of the _ short update on the coronavirus, but the majority of the ledger _ short update on the coronavirus, but the majority of the ledger is - the majority of the ledger is concerned _ the majority of the ledger is concerned with— the majority of the ledger is concerned with other- the majority of the ledger is concerned with other dhs . the majority of the ledger is i concerned with other dhs city the majority of the ledger is - concerned with other dhs city and nhs nratters~ _ concerned with other dhs city and nhs matters. given _ concerned with other dhs city and nhs matters. given that - concerned with other dhs city and nhs matters. given that this - concerned with other dhs city and nhs matters. given that this wasl concerned with other dhs city and i nhs matters. given that this was the first time _ nhs matters. given that this was the first time that — nhs matters. given that this was the first ti

— cmos were limited? essentially we met in three _ cmos were limited?r a joint letter which is essentially the minute of the positions we have taken. then there were discussion groups, of which are probably the most prominent was the senior clinicians group, which i chaired, which didn't just have cmos but people from the nhs, at some point it had chief nurses and others. this is very much notjust decision—making, but for people to share information principally. where a decision was taken, then there would be a formal record of it and i think that was the key point on this.— record of it and i think that was the key point on this. moving on to another part _ the key point on this. moving on to another part of— the key point on this. moving on to another part of the _ the key point on this. moving on to another part of the system, - the key point on this. moving on to another part of the system, public| another part of the system, public health _ another part of the system, public health england, you said in your statement that, because you are asked _ s

cmo. this clinical motion, you are saying _ cmo. this clinical motion, you are saying that — cmo.the - contributory feature to the government _ contributory feature to the government not _ contributory feature to the government not acting - contributory feature to the - government not acting earlier? itritt�*iith government not acting earlier? with hindsiuht, government not acting earlier? with hindsight. yes- _ government not acting earlier? with hindsight. yes. at— government not acting earlier? hindsight, yes. at the time, was entirely understandable. shit hindsight, yes. at the time, was entirely understandable. all right. the action plan — entirely understandable. all right. the action plan if— entirely understandable. all right. the action plan if we _ entirely understandable. all right. the action plan if we could - entirely understandable. all right. the action plan if we could deal i the action plan if we could deal with this — the action plan if we could deal with this briefly— the action plan if we could deal with this briefly because - the action plan if we could deal

the first one is, the uk cmo is advised a move up one is, the uk cmo is advised a move up to alert level important but this wasn't as telling ministers in any of the four nations what to do. it was making clear our view that if they did nothing the outcome would be very bad. from a public health point of view. ultimately, the decision is still that for ministers and the decision as to whether to accept our advice on the alert level was in fact for ministers but my view was they were pretty unlikely to refuse our request to move. the other situation, theyjust to refuse our request to move. the other situation, they just want to be really clear on this one, it is also legitimate, in my view, they did this from time to time, for me to give advice direct to the public which they can choose to take on art. and, for example, the winter of 2021, i did, for example, advise, which was not government policy, the people were extremely careful in the period around christmas. that wasn't, in my view, political advice that that was public health advice and they could take it or not. it wasn't the gove

one of the systemic issues addressed _ csa or cmo.essed by the - csa or cmo. one of the systemic issues addressed by the inquiry l csa or cmo. one of the systemic| issues addressed by the inquiry is how well the system of passing information and views from sage and the other committees on one hand up to the decision makers in downing street worked. we know that a key part of that was chris whitty and patrick vallance. did you see yourself as being an extra means by which the information could pass from the committees up to downing street, or did you in fact ensure that that was not the case? i did not see myself _ that that was not the case? i did not see myself as _ that that was not the case? i did not see myself as that, - that that was not the case? i did not see myself as that, by i that that was not the case? i c c not see myself as that, by listening to sage and talking to scientists, i found a view and participated in conversations. did found a view and participated in conversations.— found a view and participated in conversat

he spoke to the cmo repeatedly. you asked - vaccines. he spoke to the cmo repeatedly.atement you _ written briefing. you also stay in your statement you spoke - written briefing. you also stay in your statement you spoke to - written briefing. you also stay in your statement you spoke to the prime _ your statement you spoke to the prime minister— your statement you spoke to the prime minister in _ your statement you spoke to the prime minister in the _ your statement you spoke to the prime minister in the voting - your statement you spoke to the. prime minister in the voting lobby and told _ prime minister in the voting lobby and told him _ prime minister in the voting lobby and told him about— prime minister in the voting lobby and told him about the _ prime minister in the voting lobby and told him about the new - and told him about the new disease, and told him about the new disease, and you _ and told him about the new disease, and you in— and told him about the new disease, and you in a — and told him about the new disease, and you in a later— and told him about t

you also detail, mr — cmo and others on that. you also detail, mr raab, _ cmo and others on that.f— cmo and others on that. you also detail, mr raab, that of the - cmo and others on that. you also detail, mr raab, that of the two l detail, mr raab, that of the two cobra — detail, mr raab, that of the two cobra meetings that took place in january— cobra meetings that took place in january that we have heard some detail— january that we have heard some detail about, you did not attend the first meeting, but sent one of your ministers — first meeting, but sent one of your ministers to— first meeting, but sent one of your ministers to attend that meeting, but you _ ministers to attend that meeting, but you did attend the second meeting — but you did attend the second meeting on the 29th ofjanuary. i want _ meeting on the 29th ofjanuary. i want to— meeting on the 29th ofjanuary. i want to move a week or so forward in the chronology, because the inquiry has heard _ the chronology, because the inquiry has heard about a meeting that took place _ has heard about a meeting that took place o

you were told on the 11th of march by the cmo that there was going _ march by the cmo that there wasglobal pandemic coming to london_ going to be a global pandemic coming to london and the impact was going to london and the impact was going to he _ to london and the impact was going to be huge — to london and the impact was going to be huge. you said you had limited powers. _ to be huge. you said you had limited powers, supposing that message had come _ powers, supposing that message had come from _ powers, supposing that message had come from government as opposed to chris whitty _ come from government as opposed to chris whitty who is a government employee, — chris whitty who is a government employee, what would you have done differently? employee, what would you have done differentl ? ., , ., differently? some of the things that ha en differently? some of the things that happen subsequently, _ differently? some of the things that happen subsequently, it _ differently? some of the things that happen subsequently, it was - differently? some of the things that happen subsequently, it

can you remember, mr gove, did the cmo cover a broad spectrum — gove, did the cmo cover a broad spectrum— spectrum of measures or was it measures draconian as lockdown? | measures draconian as lockdown? i think measures draconian as lockdown? think he measures draconian as lockdown? i think he was preparing us for the possibility that there might be draconian measures, hence the reference to hong kong and singapore, but at that time the raw advice was to wash i's hands. to jump advice was to wash i's hands. to jump ahead slightly, it may not be helpful, i believe the cabinet met the following tuesday on the 10th of march, and in the cabinet minutes at point is recorded as having been made, i believe this is a reference to a question or a point that i asked. i by that stage was concerned that the measures we were taking were not sufficient, that the hand washing advice well obviously valuable in itself was not enough. i think the cabinet minister caught my saying that we needed to look at what other countries were doing and we needed to be clearer that there was a potential divergence of

advised it was— given, yourself and the cmo advised it was too— given, yourself and the cmo advisedor thailand. measures on the basis of one case in japan orthailand. on measures on the basis of one case in japan or thailand. on the 2nd of february— japan or thailand. on the 2nd of february you engaged the advice of professor— february you engaged the advice of professor edmonds, professor ferguson, you made a request for their— ferguson, you made a request for their views — ferguson, you made a request for their views on travel advice. in relatively— their views on travel advice. in relatively early february, the fifth, — relatively early february, the fifth, there was a cobra meeting and you advised — fifth, there was a cobra meeting and you advised that practically speaking significant border measures, putting aside the issues about— measures, putting aside the issues about trade and commerce and flow of personnel, _ about trade and commerce and flow of personnel, and the political combinations, a stringent process would _ combinations, a stringent process would be — combinations

and i- remember speaking to the cmo at that time and _ remember speaking to the cmo at that time ande and part of that, i think, was because i had _ time and part of that, i think, was because i had worked _ time and part of that, i think, was because i had worked in— time and part of that, i think, was because i had worked in local- because i had worked in local authorities, _ because i had worked in local authorities, i— because i had worked in local authorities, i had _ because i had worked in local authorities, i had supported. authorities, i had supported commissioning _ authorities, i had supported commissioning of— authorities, i had supported commissioning of services, i authorities, i had supported| commissioning of services, i authorities, i had supported - commissioning of services, i had worked _ commissioning of services, i had worked in — commissioning of services, i had worked in care _ commissioning of services, i had worked in care homes— commissioning of services, i had worked in care homes as - commissioning of services, i had worked in care homes as a - commission

, from the cmo, the gc essay, from the dhse, _ the cmo, the gc essay, from the dhse, from cabinet officeunanimous. there was no real argument _ unanimous. there was no real argument as to whether, for good and obvious— argument as to whether, for good and obvious public health reasons, these reasons— obvious public health reasons, these reasons had to be contemplated, so there _ reasons had to be contemplated, so there wasn't really a thesis and antithesis— there wasn't really a thesis and antithesis position here, mr gove. all the _ antithesis position here, mr gove. all the public health advice on a public— all the public health advice on a public health crisis were pointing in one _ public health crisis were pointing in one direction, so on what basis couid _ in one direction, so on what basis could the — in one direction, so on what basis could the prime minister pushed back and say, _ could the prime minister pushed back and say, well, i've got material which _ and say, well, i've got material which does _ and say, well, i've got material which does point the other way. there _ whic

i know the respective cmos of the four— level.ution settlement is to continue. respecting the devolution settlement is to continue-— is to continue. another short topic, the health secretary, _ is to continue. another short topic, the health secretary, mr— is to continue. another short topic, the health secretary, mr hancock. | the health secretary, mr hancock. would it be fair to say he was one of those people who you worked with very closely —— fairly closely during the period of the pandemic? i would have seen them enough formal meetings _ would have seen them enough formal meetings very regularly but as a member— meetings very regularly but as a member of the cabinet or the committees. the he worked in the cabinet _ committees. the he worked in the cabinet office and department of health _ cabinet office and department of health so there was clearly some distance — health so there was clearly some distance there equally he was very involved _ distance there equally he was very involved in— distance there equally he was very in

the cmo, but the nhs, which was obviously a huge factor in this.ice you _ minister. and again, at the same time, the advice you are - minister. and again, at the same time, the advice you are giving, l time, the advice you are giving, your— time, the advice you are giving, your views — time, the advice you are giving, your views at the time, certainly, 24th— your views at the time, certainly, 24th of— your views at the time, certainly, 24th of december, was, we need to prepare _ 24th of december, was, we need to prepare for— 24th of december, was, we need to prepare for a massive increase in cases. _ prepare for a massive increase in cases. but— prepare for a massive increase in cases, but hope it does not happen. so, cases, but hope it does not happen. so. planning — cases, but hope it does not happen. so, planning and preparation. yes. the prime minister _ so, planning and preparation. yes. the prime minister then _ so, planning and preparation. ies the prime minister then concludes there _ the prime minister then concludes there is— the prime mi

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cmo and many of the other experts from dhs c took the other experts from dhs c took the lead in thingsse injanuary when this was a departmentally led response. at all times this cmo would take the lead in clinical matters, matters relating to medicine, nhs, otherthings which were outside my remit. he was deeply expert in this, when you see this, you mean epidemiology and epidemiology and spread of infections? yes. there is a press conference the families of two hostages currently being held in gaza. we have today with us, joining us,... he is 28 yea rs years old, and we have the father of one of the horse —— we have the father of a nine—year—old girl who was kidnapped from a kibbutz. and the mother of a hostage kidnapped from the festival. and also someone who lost five members of herfamily in and also someone who lost five members of her family in the and also someone who lost five members of herfamily in the hamas terror attack. she is seeking to raise awareness of the dyas borough which stands in solidarity with israel. it is very important to us to be here _ it is very important to

and there was a discussion which i think borisjohnson put in his statement, which he had with the cmot the end of february, on lockdown options and what the implications of those would be. so i think there was a lot of evidence that there were things that needed to happen in order to achieve the aim of suppressing the curve. i'm not convinced that there was a very effective operational response to that. , . ., ., ., ., that. they had also been a lot of focus on sir _ that. they had also been a lot of focus on sir patrick's _ that. they had also been a lot of focus on sir patrick's private - focus on sir patrick's private diary, which he said he wrote in evening's to decompress and benefit is mental health, a diary which has been referenced a lot during previous hearings, and one line that came out today was that sir patrick wrote in the diary that the then prime minister, borisjohnson, prime minister, boris johnson, looked prime minister, borisjohnson, looked broken, he had his head in his hands a lot, sir patrick wrote, in the september of 2020. during evidence this afternoon, he has

boris johnson put in his statement which she had _ johnson put in his statement which she had with the cmo february on lockdown options and what the implications of those would be. what the implications of those would be there _ what the implications of those would be. there was a lot of evidence that there _ be. there was a lot of evidence that there were — be. there was a lot of evidence that there were things that needed to happen— there were things that needed to happen in— there were things that needed to happen in orderto there were things that needed to happen in order to achieve this aim of suppressing the curve. i'm not convinced — of suppressing the curve. i'm not convinced that there was a very effective — convinced that there was a very effective operational response to that _ effective operational response to that. sir— effective operational response to that. ,, . . . . that. sir patrick vallance there. life not your— that. sir patrick vallance there. life not your correspondence i that. sir patrick vallance there. | life not your correspondence ali price for more on the inqui

are in september, cmo still keeps offering a slightly slower _ cmo still keeps offering a slightly slowerrch, it looks like you are recording a similar issue later in the year — the year. was it something that the year. — was it something that continued? the point in brackets is important, chris and i discussed the sort of thing often, i still think that he, as chief medical officer, with accountability, was right to raise the problems associated with the measures being taken, and that appropriate caution i think was useful, and it was very helpful for the two of us to be able to discuss that, understand why we were in positions of either greater or slower pace on some of those things. i think it is appropriate. one more of these references, btease — one more of these references, please. page 190. very much the same time, _ please. page 190. very much the same time, september2020, you record that the _ time, september2020, you record that the prime minister come back had from _ that the prime minister come back had from a — that the prime minister come back had from a battle of britain me

they then got flustered when the cmo chipped _ they then got flustered when the cmo chipped in _ theyage _ asked or even a suggestion that the sage should be handled in some way, that their— sage should be handled in some way, that their advice should be altered. was there — that their advice should be altered. was there a feeling particularly at that time — was there a feeling particularly at that time that perhaps you weren't being _ that time that perhaps you weren't being asked for your advice in good faith? _ being asked for your advice in good faith? i_ being asked for your advice in good faith? ~' , faith? i think there were definitely eriods faith? i think there were definitely periods when _ faith? i think there were definitely periods when it _ faith? i think there were definitely periods when it was _ faith? i think there were definitely periods when it was clear - faith? i think there were definitely periods when it was clear that i faith? i think there were definitely periods when it was clear that the | periods when it was clear that the unwelcome advice we were given wa

he is still in post as the cmo for the uk.e important political applications of how the decisions were made at the centre of government?— were made at the centre of covernment? , . , ., government? yes, it was, what we also not government? yes, it was, what we also got was _ government? yes, it was, what we also got was a _ government? yes, it was, what we also got was a bit _ government? yes, it was, what we also got was a bit of _ government? yes, it was, what we also got was a bit of a _ government? yes, it was, what we also got was a bit of a lifting - government? yes, it was, what we also got was a bit of a lifting the i also got was a bit of a lifting the veil, _ also got was a bit of a lifting the veil. of— also got was a bit of a lifting the veil, of how some of that scientific advice _ veil, of how some of that scientific advice that— veil, of how some of that scientific advice that was being given to the government was arrived at. so professor— government was arrived at. so professor chris whitty was talking about _

if one imagines another pandemic where the cmo and the gsa are not special i wases in epidemics, butf conveying sage advice. i individuals bearing the weight of conveying sage advice.— individuals bearing the weight of conveying sage advice. i think the smo will always _ conveying sage advice. i think the smo will always be _ conveying sage advice. i think the smo will always be an _ conveying sage advice. i think the smo will always be an expert i conveying sage advice. i think the smo will always be an expert in i conveying sage advice. i think the i smo will always be an expert in this area and have around him or her a group of people who understand this, which is why the lead government department does have some importance to it. so i don't have concerns there. i think it is likely that the gsa wouldn't and that has advantages and disadvantages. what the gsa would need to do would be to make sure that they have the right advice around them, so they can undertake that function. but i suspect there would be more weight on the cmo's shoulders in that sort of situation and it may be

it says, put in the cmos as a show on the show, as you see, initial session is supposed to bring a sort of confusion and it's suitable. i mean, the solution though, as a door, if you of the, the quote, the video that we're doing is i was a from google there to do the, the one on said that or to and then from the mindset i'm not for you. it's a little but the good news it's enough to try to remember the good news phone deal to get no, no, that's not the high school component regina. i am the both of the ones that seem i must get all the parents. i talked to the school, let's say that it is under the attribute side to so here's the truth. so believe i gives you thought is you remove this one, the still the supersedes from and introduced us. what i just, if i did it shows it is the february 5 digits. so good news here. the dream events get the 4 digits we're doing it. so we produce, you know, the the service service, the set, the request, the tribute of jonesborough for liquids, the chief of the year. yeah. the phone yourself. we do that on the middle of this, the price for the position on

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it would have probably been through the cmo and the chief scientific adviser.ice in early september, i think it came at almost at the time of my final cabinet on exactly this question. so there must have been a commission to sage, i don't know whether that followed from this discussion aware that i was simply inferring from what i knew from sage. their position at this point. when you say on this question do you mean _ when you say on this question do you mean the _ when you say on this question do you mean the question of segmentation. gas. .. mean the question of segmentation. gas. ., ., , ~' mean the question of segmentation. gas. ., ., ,~' ,,~ , mean the question of segmentation. gas. ., ., , ., , gas. having asked sage for its view, however it was _ gas. having asked sage for its view, however it was commissioned, - gas. having asked sage for its view, however it was commissioned, sage j however it was commissioned, sage having proffered its view, having also declared that the government was in a general sense, i appreciate it's a general sense only, follo

pm group, _ state and others in a csa, cmo pm group, where you caution against the direction _ groupbout herd immunity and where that is going. _ herd immunity and where that is going. and — herd immunity and where that is going, and you tried to put it in a proper— going, and you tried to put it in a proper context. my going, and you tried to put it in a proper context.— going, and you tried to put it in a proper context. my view was it was a clearly ridiculous _ proper context. my view was it was a clearly ridiculous goal— proper context. my view was it was a clearly ridiculous goal of— proper context. my view was it was a clearly ridiculous goal of policy i clearly ridiculous goal of policy and a very dangerous one and i thought a lot of what was being said could have led to considerable confusion and indeed did. i have laid out several times in public, and i did in my statement, my view that it would have been inconceivable that this should have been an actual goal of policy because it would have led to extraordinarily high loss of life evenif extraordinarily high loss of life ev

in cmo at dixie, they're off for laws that protect the rights of women and christians. and also there is in other religions mental disorder. i'm totally, boy haig. let's see. i don't law states this, but the reality is different name is can i ask the body to do, for example, belong to encourage the restoration of churches? how long is that what the social node is different in jodie most will divide a good for the columbus that we use all seek to get then had the little see there might be a few troublemakers in some villages where your father quarter show like that was that can be the case any time it can anywhere the there's been have been, it'd be factors are exactly the exxon preference of the way we can teach people except to and respect for the time. but if it isn't difficult, but couldn't the couple of the coma who would carry on the unless it some addiction say that they're happy in egypt isn't a phase of positive change. the here we've all heard of it, but other, say freedoms are being suppressed. come out and political views are being suppressed. i see a see and

it's a very good question- i'm — sage, the cmo. it's a very good question. i'm not— sage, the (mo.method, that is, this is unproven, on the other.

of different medical views, the modelling, the position on vaccines, the practical experience of the cmoe _ experience of the cmo himself, was that once community transmission had started _ that once community transmission had started it _ that once community transmission had started it would be some version of an unstoppable wave, yes. in an unstoppable wave, yes. relation to an unstoppable wave, yes. in relation to herd immunity, an unstoppable wave, yes. i�*i relation to herd immunity, you utilised that phrase can used it in a bbc interview on the 10th of march which is set out in your statement. this followed on from the 3rd of march sage meeting where it was unstoppable and you refer to that interview where you made comment about the need to cocoon the elderly and most vulnerable in the weeks to come and you referred to the fray is herd immunity. at that stage, why did you referred to the need to cocoon the elderly and vulnerable? —— the phrase herd immunity. the -- the phrase herd immunity. the interview was _ —— the phrase herd immunity. the interview was primarily talking about —

and if the society of missing subs impulse of a cmos passage last relative. so when the west savage, de cob job yugoslavia the that eleanor so that was ship bully menace will drop it off the kids up all the is article sponsors and historically going to the visual sponsors. there was there with the detroit incident point inside. see miss whittaker with as little change really. all i build with that is article medical bill, but i'm going to the point is that the best thing about the contents of the hunt, me and the war criminals, a well known to both western intelligent services and various peacekeeping organizations of the next day. and i'm probably going to bobby enough to talk about it on his own agreement on the go. but ease they let me stop dory they'll and he's up on the so thought up by you, nicky say will identical to get his. i'd say it goes to some problem like got him is going to need to send that home the so called are not going a single genuine record. i'm not sure if they need to go to god. this guy he needs us. i think let's look at a blush about

and if the society of missing subs in pulse of a cmos passage lost relatives when the west savage, a cob job yugoslavia, the, that owner sold, i've shut bully menace will drop it off the kids, up all the article, sponsors and historically going to the visual sponsors there was never to go to detroit incident point inside see me. so we didn't cover the whole generally while i build with that is article event going to be a problem. getting the parties that are the best thing about the contents of the hunt, me and the world criminal as a well known to both western intelligence services and various peacekeeping organizations, the debt collector. and i'm probably going to bobby, you have enough to talk about it on his own agreement on the group up as they let me stop toys. delaney's up on the so thought up by you, nicky, single, identical to get his thoughts here. coastal super will be like that. he is going to need to send the formal quote, are not going a single genuine record. i'm not sure if they need to go to grab this game. it's is that the glass looking flushed about his opponent's

senior village is and eastern i that states will not deal with all those frontiers. comprehensively cmo dye is leaks. garza is not going to be the top of uh, the agenda on top of the agenda. we're going just see regional. mm hm. look and lot of that into, if this spot is successful, i mean, it could be just out of the negotiations, as we've heard extensively, especially from the guitar, is how would they be negotiated in the days and weeks it hits the thinking, how difficult will it be to keep the sides together, i think it's pushing the negotiations into a more of a detailed, a nuanced direction. would it be very difficult and i think that's primarily because there isn't enough international pressure there isn't i think enough of an international vision of how this monstrous floor will. and as i keep saying this is not just about gaza, what is happening in gaza? even the humanitarian crisis, there is a product of a political crisis and without talking about a political solution that will treat the situation in the entirety of the occupied palestinian entire tree. that will call and ten

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at the decision a proposal because the enabled me companion supports i need punishment against the cmos as by the way and last night the student. busy is supposed to from, can see the i do that is that again, so this is what life now 6 what i've seen on by the side there is a jail, some and, but i seen an excuse, says the find the really tough services. i really can't care for about a student to patients. and so they started. yes. since the i'll be grateful. that's what it does. so the life of the company is little bit of the crowd, the odd a more a number in the internet sales andrews that before that it's going to absorb and david events, it's time it is visits to them even to this evening. i need the support financial support from that time. it is so and it's appropriate for them. it's the situation . and that's the serious please. so in the realm of occasions, if this gets through the connected, as you're just explaining could be huge mohammed, has there been reaction from the policy and inside to the controversal plan so far? yeah. and the see has always been done with that. i'm go

and there was a discussion, which i think borisjohnson puts in his statement, which he had with the cmothink there was a lot of evidence that there were things that needed to happen in order to achieve this aim of suppressing the curve. i'm not convinced that there was a very effective operational response to that. �* , ., ., very effective operational response to that. �*, ., ., to that. let's go live to political correspondent _ to that. let's go live to political correspondent who _ to that. let's go live to political correspondent who had - to that. let's go live to political correspondent who had been i to that. let's go live to political- correspondent who had been listening to all of that evidence. let's start with the headline from sir patrick, that description of borisjohnson being absolutely bamboozled by the scientific modelling that was being presented every day to him. this was somethin: presented every day to him. this was something as — presented every day to him. this was something as you _ presented every day to him. this was something as you said _ presented every day

starts to move in a more positive way, but i think there is also a difference between which i think the cmo potentially around monday recommendation, guidance and allowing people to do what they wanted to do. and of course, everybody could always wear a face covering if they wanted to, nobody was stopped. and i think this issue is around which direction is the evidence travelling? let is around which direction is the evidence travelling?— is around which direction is the evidence travelling? let me show you a coule of evidence travelling? let me show you a couple of documents _ evidence travelling? let me show you a couple of documents and _ evidence travelling? let me show you a couple of documents and then - evidence travelling? let me show you a couple of documents and then ask l a couple of documents and then ask you a question about them and they do cover that period that you have just been describing. first first of all if we could just look at 69151. 50, this is a document, the data it so, this is a document, the data it is not on the document but it is from may of 2020 and it is som

this question is best addressed to someone in dhsc or the cmo, they were not sage questions, they were clinical questions and important operational matters, but i wouldn't expect them to come to sage, and i do not think putting sage in the middle of any future planner around this would be a sensible action.— future planner around this would be a sensible action._ mr i a sensible action. thank you. mr jacobs, a sensible action. thank you. mr jacobs. sorry. — a sensible action. thank you. mr jacobs, sorry, last— a sensible action. thank you. mr jacobs, sorry, last again! - a sensible action. thank you. mr jacobs, sorry, last again! thank| jacobs, sorry, last again! thank ou, m jacobs, sorry, last again! thank you. my lady- _ jacobs, sorry, last again! thank you. my lady- sir _ jacobs, sorry, last again! thank you, my lady. sir patrick, - jacobs, sorry, last again! thank you, my lady. sir patrick, i- jacobs, sorry, last again! thank you, my lady. sir patrick, i ask| you, my lady. sir patrick, i ask questions on behalf of the trades union congress. it is important when giving your answers,

but i don't specifically know what the cmo was referring to.cifically recall them working on mpi is on the 14th of february? at that point, in the middle of february, that is my recollection. i don't know whether there is any paperwork, but i remember thinking we are in the health department, and there is a load of work and all sorts of things not to do with us. the first papers on this that came to ministers came from the cabinet office.— on this that came to ministers came from the cabinet office. indeed. and the were, from the cabinet office. indeed. and they were. as _ from the cabinet office. indeed. and they were. as you — from the cabinet office. indeed. and they were, as you rightly _ from the cabinet office. indeed. and they were, as you rightly say, - from the cabinet office. indeed. and they were, as you rightly say, the i they were, as you rightly say, the 23rd not— they were, as you rightly say, the 23rd not the — they were, as you rightly say, the 23rd not the 26, _ they were, as you rightly say, the 23rd not the 26, but— they wer

fulfill orders for other retailers including ulta, target, macy's,nemic marcus, and many others, and its cmo says cyber monday is starting off, quote, very strong. the third party logistics provider says black friday weekend sales were up 92% for the retailers that it fulfills for year over year here's a live look at shopify merchant sales around the world. global sales grew 22% around the world on black friday, a strength in clothing, personal care, and jewelry. things are looking good after a pretty strong weekend as well. back over to you guys. >> courtney, i guess things are looking pretty good. i mean, people have been questioning the consumer there's no reason to question him or her now, is there >> a lot of the data we got is strengthened both in store and online today we're talking about online because it's cyber monday, but on black friday, sensormatic, which is sort of the main in person traffic tracker, showed that in-store traffic was up 4.6% retail next said it was up 2.1% by their measurements. yes, traffic doesn't always translate to sales but that was much stronger than expec

everything other thing in the world, food, tobacco, but they're worried about getting canceled by cmos put dollars into their platform. they're businesses, and i think they're making business decisions. liz: let's talk about ai overall. you are using it more than you're investing in it right now, is that a fair assessment? >> yeah, you were asking me before we went on. am i investing, look, i've seen web 1, i've seen web 2 and 3. i'm looking at ai startups every day as an investor. i just think there's a million of them right now and they're all valued very expensive because we're in ai hype. so i'm just trying to be a little thoughtful because i tend not to like to lose money when i invest so i'm letting it settle a bit and see who are the good operate torrs and rather pay higher valuation and see traction. look, this is one of the biggest technologies in the history of mankind. every single person watching this who right now hates ai, they will all use it. liz: i want our viewers to know something about you because i did a great podcast, an everyone talks to liz podcast episode and i

and there was a discussion which i think boris johnson puts in his statement, which he had with the cmo. i'm not convinced there was a very effective operational response to that. sir effective operational response to that. ,, ., ., ~ ., effective operational response to that. ,, ., .,~ ., . ., that. sir patrick talked of friction with sir chris _ that. sir patrick talked of friction with sir chris whitty _ that. sir patrick talked of friction with sir chris whitty on - that. sir patrick talked of friction with sir chris whitty on when - that. sir patrick talked of friction with sir chris whitty on when to l with sir chris whitty on when to lock down. i with sir chris whitty on when to lock down-— with sir chris whitty on when to lock down. ~' , ~ , , ., lock down. i think chris whitty is a ublic lock down. i think chris whitty is a public health _ lock down. i think chris whitty is a public health specialist _ lock down. i think chris whitty is a public health specialist and - lock down. i think chris whitty is a public health specialist and he - lock down. i think chris whitty is a i

there may well be a l time when the (mo is given plans to time when the cmo is given plans to run acrossery single time you have to go around everybody and say, are you content with these changes?— everybody and say, are you content with these changes?_ i i with these changes? slowdown. i think the admirable _ with these changes? slowdown. i think the admirable aim - with these changes? slowdown. i think the admirable aim to - with these changes? slowdown. i think the admirable aim to make | with these changes? slowdown. i - think the admirable aim to make this infour think the admirable aim to make this in four nations government, i think that was admirable to itself mitigates against it being timely, given the speed at which this is going to happen. you can argue that such a document should not have existed but in a sense, i think some document is better than no document. i think in most elements this is a pretty good document. given that we had no print previous documents that anyone could look at. —— previous document. i'm going to stand behind the publication of the document without

and you can see, for instance, that then the clinical advises in this case the cmo, came back and then signed off on, issued new advice as to what the policy should be for testing. so the testing rules, who got the tests, what the policy was and what order of priority we use tests in was based on clinical advice throughout. ml was based on clinical advice throughout.— was based on clinical advice throughout. all right, that is understood _ throughout. all right, that is understood and _ throughout. all right, that is understood and nobody - throughout. all right, that is understood and nobody is i throughout. all right, that is - understood and nobody is suggesting otherwise~ _ understood and nobody is suggesting otherwise~ the — understood and nobody is suggesting otherwise. the point _ understood and nobody is suggesting otherwise. the point i _ understood and nobody is suggesting otherwise. the point i am _ understood and nobody is suggesting otherwise. the point i am making - understood and nobody is suggesting otherwise. the point i am making is. otherwise. the point i am making i

was the cmo consulted during the course of the pandemic on the decision to disband public health englanding consulted either formativ— don't recall being consulted either formally or informally. i think i will sort — formally or informally. i think i will sort of— formally or informally. i think i will sort of told this is going to happen — will sort of told this is going to happen. my view is my colleagues in pubiic— happen. my view is my colleagues in public health england did this extraordinarily professionally. i think— extraordinarily professionally. i think arguments either way. in terms of spitting _ think arguments either way. in terms of spitting of the public, the heatth— of spitting of the public, the health system from the rest of it, i actually _ health system from the rest of it, i actually think the uk hsa system has been created as a very good one but this wasn't_ been created as a very good one but this wasn't a — been created as a very good one but this wasn't a situation where i was sitting _ this wasn't a situation where i was sitting down in meetings and saying, shal

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from that to chief of medical staff to cmo of the network, from covid through covid, challenges that we've had. just really want to thank you for always being there and always keeping the patients at the center of what we're doing. and i think with regard to your, the way you approach things, i was, i continue to just be struck by your authentic relentless optimism optimism, you found a way to approach it in a way that was insightful and actionable and very positive and that is not always we find in boor xra see. i'm so glad that you're taking that to a larger system. and you can switch on a dime from talking about, you know, policy to a very specific clinical issue. and i believe you're going to be keeping your clinic. i'm so glad that that will be happening because there are a lot of patients in your family that will benefit. and i have to say, i'm sorry to see you go. i'm so glad that there is this opportunity. kaiser made a great pick. whether it's in local or in dc, doing a lot of policy work, i have never found anybody so enthusiastic about policy and the details of medicaid. y