shat cobra accepted the proposition? git the time, yes. cobra accepted the proposition?position? at the time, yes. page six. _ cobra accepted the proposition? at the time, yes. page six. there - cobra accepted the proposition? at the time, yes. page six. there is - cobra accepted the proposition? at the time, yes. page six. there is a l the time, yes. page six. there is a reference to _ the time, yes. page six. there is a reference to next _ the time, yes. page six. there is a reference to next steps, _ the time, yes. page six. there is a reference to next steps, the - the time, yes. page six. there is a reference to next steps, the chairl reference to next steps, the chair said the government has much response must be guided by science, protecting the vulnerable and that's cobra would meet on a regular basis. i was no debate on the merits or efficacy of specific measures, perhaps of the type that the chief medical officer had had in mind? tic medical officer had had in mind? iir> such measures were put to cobra at that time. i think that the cmo, i can't obviously know

at that meeting on cobra the 2nd of. that meeting on cobra the 2nd of march, _ that meeting on cobra spread of the virus - said that intervention is to delay the spread of the virus must - said that intervention is to delay the spread of the virus must not said that intervention is to delay. the spread of the virus must not be implemented — the spread of the virus must not be implemented too— the spread of the virus must not be implemented too early. _ the spread of the virus must not be implemented too early. yes. - the spread of the virus must not be implemented too early. yes. it - the spread of the virus must not be implemented too early. yes. it is. implemented too early. yes. it is clear from _ implemented too early. yes. it is clear from cobra _ implemented too early. it is clear from cobra minutes implemented too early.“ it is clear from cobra minutes from i implemented too early.“ it is. clear from cobra minutes from the 4th of— clear from cobra minutes from the 4th of march— clear from cobra minutes from the 4th of march your _ clear from cobra minutes from the 4th of march

do you call in the cobra meetin: anything. do you call in the cobra meeting is _ anything. of march _ attended the week of the 16th of march for a lockdown to be imposed that day? _ march for a lockdown to be imposed that day? |— march for a lockdown to be imposed that da ? ., �* , ., that day? i don't believe that i did but i do believe _ that day? i don't believe that i did but i do believe that _ that day? i don't believe that i did but i do believe that my _ but i do believe that my communications to other decision—makers shows the position that i took, but i would not have wanted to, given that the nature, certainly when i chaired cobra, was to act as a chair rather than an instigator or an advocates. my instinct would have been, at that point, to seek consensus and to give effect to collective government policy. effect to collective government oli . , :, effect to collective government oli , ., , effect to collective government oli . , :, , effect to collective government oli , ., , ., policy. sorry to interrupt, you have obviously referred _ policy. sorry to interrup

— have the opportunity to attend cobra. is this have the opportunity to attend cobra.e of english regions _ wished to have the voice of english regions represented?— wished to have the voice of english regions represented? 10096. our worry was there was — regions represented? 10096. our worry was there was a _ regions represented? 10096. our worry was there was a london _ regions represented? 10096. our worry was there was a london centric - was there was a london centric approach to decision—making and we probably wanted to create a balance in people's thinking by saying, look, this is how it seems from here. and genuinely, it was in the spirit of national emergency. we were not there to use it as a platform for politics or anything like that. it was to say, we are worried, this is a challenging situation, we want to be heard and just taken as seriously as anywhere else. classic example would be the lifting of the first national lockdown. before we get to that, forgive me for interrupting, rewinding a couple of stages. you said ou rewinding a couple of stages. you sai

the first cobra to place on january the first cobra to place onjanuary the 24th and was chaired by mr 29th of january. there was then a second cobra on the 29th ofjanuary. could there was then a second cobra on the 29th of january. could we have that on the screen, 56226. we can see a number of ministers on that first page in attendance. if we go over to the second page we can see a number of parliamentary undersecretary of state, a of minister... ministers or members of devolved administration parliaments dialled in and a number of officials like chris whitty, catherine hammond, many names now familiar to the inquiry. if we go over one further page to page three, we can see the remainder of the officials who dialled in. there was it would seem no cabinet minister present at that cobra or cabinet office official, other than i think the director of government communications, alex aiken, who may not have been in the cabinet office or number 10. but is the secretariat to cobra provided by the cabinet office? , ~ ~' ,, office? yes. mr keith, i think you said no cabinet _ office? yes. mr k

cobra meetings in february., although i had read the phrase, global pandemic, chris whitty telling me there was going to be a global pandemic was shocking to hear. it was the first time i had met with him since we knew about this virus, he told me this is going to be a global pandemic. this is going to be a global pandemic— this is going to be a global andemic. ., ., , ., pandemic. could you go slower, there is a stenographer, _ pandemic. could you go slower, there is a stenographer, it _ pandemic. could you go slower, there is a stenographer, it is _ pandemic. could you go slower, there is a stenographer, it is easily - is a stenographer, it is easily done — is a stenographer, it is easily done i— is a stenographer, it is easily done. i understand.- is a stenographer, it is easily done. i understand. lets you scroll down a little _ done. i understand. lets you scroll down a little more... _ done. i understand. lets you scroll down a little more... can - done. i understand. lets you scroll down a little more...

a cobra meetin: hindsight, it was right. a cobra meeting on _ hindsight, it was right.g on the 29th of januaryi hindsight, it was right. a cobra - meeting on the 29th of january which meeting on the 29th ofjanuary which you chaired, — meeting on the 29th ofjanuary which you chaired, and— meeting on the 29th ofjanuary which you chaired, and just _ meeting on the 29th ofjanuary which you chaired, and just what _ meeting on the 29th ofjanuary which you chaired, and just what we - meeting on the 29th ofjanuary which you chaired, and just what we get - meeting on the 29th ofjanuary which you chaired, and just what we get toi you chaired, and just what we get to that point. _ you chaired, and just what we get to that point, can — you chaired, and just what we get to that point, can i _ you chaired, and just what we get to that point, can ijust_ you chaired, and just what we get to that point, can ijust ask— you chaired, and just what we get to that point, can ijust ask you to - that point, can ijust ask you to confirm — that point, can ijust ask you to confirm what _ that poi

cobra meetings, then...lighting the shortcomings of the cobra machinery. he had _ shortcomings of the cobra machinery. he had been forced out of cobra because — he had been forced out of cobra because the video technology didn't work _ because the video technology didn't work had _ because the video technology didn't work. had there been any changes to the machinery within cobra, within the machinery within cobra, within the corridor and the rooms particularly in the cabinet office, between — particularly in the cabinet office, between march when the crisis crashed — between march when the crisis crashed upon this country and november when he wrote that new to the prime _ november when he wrote that new to the prime minister about the shortcomings in the machinery? had there _ shortcomings in the machinery? had there been— shortcomings in the machinery? had there been changes, had the room been _ there been changes, had the room been updated at all? | there been changes, had the room been updated at all?— be

indeed, by then cobra was taking _ cobra thereafter?en cobra was taking place _ cobra thereafter? indeed, by then cobra was taking place and - cobra thereafter? indeed, by theni cobra was taking place and hosted from the cabinet room usually on teams in devolved administrations would routinely go there. in fact the shot and we have used for it is cobra but if you look at the minute, we called it the seat 19 ministerial, and we essentially created the cabinet committee structure around it. —— yes, it was one of his ministerial responsibilities and he had also developed political relationships with the devolved administrations and so that was something he took on. ., and so that was something he took on, ., , ., and so that was something he took on. ., ,, ., on. your statement recognises that there were — on. your statement recognises that there were occasional— on. your statement recognises that there were occasional frictions - on. your statement recognises that there were occasional frictions in i there were occasional frictions in the

the cobra minutes of the monday— clear. the cobra minutes of the monday indeed _ clear. not up . monday indeed show that the | compliance rate was not up at monday indeed show that the - compliance rate was not up at 75%. but it _ compliance rate was not up at 75%. but it describes _ compliance rate was not up at 75%. but it describes the _ compliance rate was not up at 75%. but it describes the broad - compliance rate was not up at 75%. but it describes the broad direction| but it describes the broad direction of travel— but it describes the broad direction of travel is — but it describes the broad direction of travel is having _ but it describes the broad direction of travel is having some _ but it describes the broad direction of travel is having some positive i of travel is having some positive trends — of travel is having some positive trends tube _ of travel is having some positive trends. tube travel. _ of travel is having some positivei trends. tube travel. attendances of travel is having some positive . trends. tube travel. attendances at shops _ trends. tube tr

not an official cobra, _ an official is cobra? not an official cobra, they - an official is cobra? ministerial leaf shared cobra. there was, nevertheless, _ ministerial leaf shared cobra. there was, nevertheless, a _ ministerial leaf shared cobra. there was, nevertheless, a perpetual- was, nevertheless, a perpetual tension between number 10 and cabinet, was not, in relation to where important decision—making took place and the degree to which matters might be debated and resolved within number 10 before being put to cabinet? i resolved within number 10 before being put to cabinet?— being put to cabinet? i wouldn't describe it _ being put to cabinet? i wouldn't describe it as _ being put to cabinet? i wouldn't describe it as a _ being put to cabinet? i wouldn't describe it as a tension - being put to cabinet? i wouldn't| describe it as a tension between them, in that cabinet was formally involved, but as you will have seen from some of my notes, minutes to the prime minister, i needed to remind him of the importance of involving his cabinet colleagues, jot notjust in the formal deci

i represent the cobra 19 families forjustice . the cobra 19 families forjustice recovery~ — the cobracovery~ i_ the cobra 19 families forjustice recovery. i have three short topics. the first— recovery. i have three short topics. the first is— recovery. i have three short topics. the first is going back to the weekly— the first is going back to the weekly meetings you set up injune 2021~ _ weekly meetings you set up injune 2021~ it's _ weekly meetings you set up injune 2021~ it's a — weekly meetings you set up injune 2021. it's a discrete issue. was advance — 2021. it's a discrete issue. was advance notice given for these meetings by way of an agenda? if so, how long _ meetings by way of an agenda? if so, how long in _ meetings by way of an agenda? if so, how long in advance? which weekly meeting? _ how long in advance? which weekly meeting? this is your witness statement, paragraph seven., with the devolved nations. i represent the devolved nations. i represent the welsh — the devolved nations. i represent the welsh parade. i am asking about the welsh parade. i am asking about the de

cobras were uk cobras.at happen by _ cobras were uk cobras. can i after that happen by happenstance - cobras were uk cobras. can i after that happen by happenstance or. cobras were uk cobras. can i after. that happen by happenstance or was there a formal decision taken to form it that way? i there a formal decision taken to form it that way?— form it that way? i think it wouldn't _ form it that way? i think it wouldn't have _ form it that way? i think it wouldn't have occurred - form it that way? i think it wouldn't have occurred to | form it that way? i think it. wouldn't have occurred to me form it that way? i think it - wouldn't have occurred to me to do it any other way. i don't recall anyone challenging it. certainly at that stage. and had they done so, i would have replied robustly that this was necessary. if i would have replied robustly that this was necessary.— would have replied robustly that this was necessary. if i can move another tepic_ this was necessary. if i can move another topic now, _ th

i expert who where providing information to cobra. i don't know. i think information to cobra.on to cobra. i don't know. i think the experts _ information to cobra. i don't know. i think the experts would _ information to cobra. i don't know. i think the experts would have - i think the experts would have provided quite extensive information. these cobras tended to have quite an extensive pack as part of the reading for them stop the crypt, the situation update, and that would contain the latest sage advice and analysis. i recall those extensive documents and i think some of them have been referenced by the inquiry. so my presumption is not that the information was there, but that the information was there, but that the information was there, but that the focus of the cobra was on the immediate measures to be taken and at that stage in early february it was still very much on travel. there was a cabinet meeting on the 6th of february. the prime minister cautioned against the economic damage that would be caused by political overreaction to the crisis. we can see the attendees o

— into the meetings into sage, cobra and so on? it— into the meetings into sage, cobra and so on?ened on the 13th, 14th, 15th of march. i have put to i 14th, 15th of march. i have put to ou 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material— 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material from _ 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material from the _ 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material from the 12th - 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material from the 12th of- 14th, 15th of march. i have put to - you material from the 12th of march, there _ you material from the 12th of march, there is— you material from the 12th of march, there is a _ you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate _ you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate at— you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate at kroger- you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate at kroger eight - you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate at kroger eight oni there is a debate at kroger eight on there is a debate at kroger eight on the 9th— there is a debate at k

cobras to do with operation london bride. , ,,, cobras to do with operation london bridte. . ., .,, .ollowed the death _ bridge. that was the operation that followed the death of— bridge. that was the operation that followed the death of the _ bridge. that was the operation that followed the death of the queen. i bridge. that was the operation that i followed the death of the queen. the death of followed the death of the queen. ti2 death of her majesty cobbler you are going to say? because a lot of these things require coordination and working together, at the very least you can provide coalface experience, you can provide coalface experience, you can provide coalface experience, you can feed into the decision—makers, the prime minister in particular, but also you can... as the voice of london, with confidence you can explain to londoners what they should and should not be doing. so, cobra, in the past, and since, has worked incredibly well as of this place to discuss various responses, to prepare for civil emergencies. let’s prepare for civil emergencies. let's turn, prepare for civi

i think the last cobra _ shift and in what direction?ift and in what direction? i think the last cobra had happened - shift and in what direction? i think the last cobra had happened on i shift and in what direction? i think. the last cobra had happened on the 10th of may and there was a concern of the mixed messages, on one hand a return to work and the other hand don't use public transport. there was a concern of mixed messages and our experiences on the coal face, i would argue that nicola sturgeon or other people know what is happening in their regions instead of a civil servant in whitehall and that is the frustration they would share with me. that was my frustration as well. as 2020 progressed, devolved leaders were writing leaders asking for more cobra meetings, is that correct? yes, the last cobra i attended was in may, i don't know if there were other meetings with the first ministers without me, it goes back to the usefulness of cobra meetings, we could discuss these things and there is a huge strength of being cross there is a

we have certainly heard that the cobra _ discussion._ discussion. we have certainly heard that the cobra meetings stopped, l discussion. we have certainly heard l that the cobra meetings stopped, but are you saying that you stopped going to them for that reason? i went to every cobra meeting i was asked to go to, as far as i'm aware. and was it routine either you or someone else from nhs england was invited to those meetings?— invited to those meetings? during february 2020. — invited to those meetings? during february 2020. i _ invited to those meetings? during february 2020, | think— invited to those meetings? during february 2020, | think that's - invited to those meetings? during | february 2020, i think that's right. and probably much as well. i would have to literally go back and look at all of the minutes, but that is my recollection, yes. you mentioned 'ust now, my recollection, yes. you mentioned just now. and — my recollection, yes. you mentioned just now. and you — my recollection, yes. you mentioned just now, and you describ

about particular cobra meetings. of the difficulties of getting the government machine going until the end of february. yes. getting the government machine going until the end of february.— until the end of february. yes, at the centre. _ until the end of february. yes, at the centre, the _ until the end of february. yes, at the centre, the department - until the end of february. yes, at the centre, the department was i the centre, the department was working on this for the middle of january. ll working on this for the middle of janua . . . . working on this for the middle of janua . ., , ., ., january. if it was hard to get the government _ january. if it was hard to get the government machine _ january. if it was hard to get the government machine going, - january. if it was hard to get thej government machine going, and january. if it was hard to get the - government machine going, and you refer to the effort required and the difficulties you encounter, maybe we take it from that that the system took time to be ge

the last cobra that — that you had raised? no. the last cobra that i _ that you had raised? no.at i attended _ that you had raised? no. the last cobra that i attended was - that you had raised? no. the last cobra that i attended was in - that you had raised? no. the last cobra that i attended was in me, | cobra that i attended was in me, that's it at all.— that's it at all. thank you. thank you- _ good afternoon. i am representing the federation of ethnic minority health care organisations. i have got two questions for you. my first as this. recognising the challenges posed by the evolving nature of this pandemic, my organisation wants to know the timeline of responses, but they acknowledge the complexity of they acknowledge the complexity of the situation so my first question. firstly, in your evidence, in your statement, you refer to a thematic lack of munication between yourself and government. during the essential early stages. and you state you have no doubt that lives were lost as a result. what impact do you think this had in the context of black, asian, minority ethnic h

that was dealt with in cobra by cscs.response was then handed over to the department for communities and local government as the department. a crisis of the scale, one would expect the same to happen because cc s need to retain capacity in case there is a concurrent crisis. it isn't the case that cc s would be expected to run this all the way through, one would expect it to move to a lead department and of course, cobra was chaired by the lead secretary of state, by this stage it became clear and should become clear that to me, as well as others earlier, in the end this is my responsibility. that we needed to reinforce their machinery at the centre of government in order to deal with the crisis of the scale and speed. deal with the crisis of the scale and speed-— and speed. lord sedwill, with res-ect, and speed. lord sedwill, with respect. it — and speed. lord sedwill, with respect, it wasn't _ and speed. lord sedwill, with respect, it wasn't an - and speed. lord sedwill, with respect, it wasn't an issue - and speed. lord

in cobra. remember where it took place? in cobra- right- _ remember where it took place? in cobra.er where it took place? in cobra. right. and, as you say, i remember where it took place? in | cobra. right. and, as you say, the ob'ective cobra. right. and, as you say, the objective was _ cobra. right. and, as you say, the objective was to _ cobra. right. and, as you say, the objective was to expose _ cobra. right. and, as you say, the objective was to expose ministers| cobra. right. and, as you say, the l objective was to expose ministers to decisions they might be expected to take during a pandemic, in the reasonable worst case scenario. now, heard something about that concept of a reasonable worst—case scenario. what did that term mean to you or does it mean to you? at what did that term mean to you or does it mean to you?— what did that term mean to you or does it mean to you? at this time or now? at the — does it mean to you? at this time or now? at the time. _ does it mean to you? at this time or now? at the time. at _ does it mean to you? at this time or now? at the time. at

i would have chaired the cobra normally. don't you?- would have chaired the cobra normally.observation but can i_ obviously forcing annual observation but can i ask — obviously forcing annual observation but can i ask you. _ obviously forcing annual observation but can i ask you, can _ obviously forcing annual observation but can i ask you, can —— _ obviously forcing annual observation but can i ask you, can —— to- obviously forcing annual observation but can i ask you, can —— to move i obviously forcing annual observation but can i ask you, can —— to move it| but can i ask you, can —— to move it forward? _ but can i ask you, can —— to move it forward? can— but can i ask you, can —— to move it forward? can you _ but can i ask you, can —— to move it forward? can you go _ but can i ask you, can —— to move it forward? can you go further - but can i ask you, can —— to move it forward? can you go further and - but can i ask you, can —— to move it| forward? can you go further and say that over— forward? can you go further and say that over the — forward? can you go further and say

ya; i ask because it is plain, from cobra meetings in february— plain, from cobra meetings in february amount of time is dedicated to trying to assess how probable the reasonable worst—case scenario is. that is— reasonable worst—case scenario is. that is correct. reasonable worst-case scenario is. that is correct-— reasonable worst-case scenario is. that is correct. that does not seem to have been _ that is correct. that does not seem to have been a _ that is correct. that does not seem to have been a profitable _ that is correct. that does not seem to have been a profitable use - that is correct. that does not seem to have been a profitable use of- to have been a profitable use of time _ to have been a profitable use of time. lt— to have been a profitable use of time. . . to have been a profitable use of time. , , , ., to have been a profitable use of time. , , i. time. it is useful if you can hive it off from _ time. it is useful if you can hive it off from the _ time. it is useful if you can hive it off from the rest _ time. it is useful if you can hive it off from the rest of _ tim

yes. ., ., ,., to attend cobra meetings as well. yes. ., . . to attend cobra meetings as well.yes. you also attended several meetings separately, - yes. you also attended several meetings separately, what i yes. you also attended severall meetings separately, what were yes. you also attended several - meetings separately, what were they? i do not know. thea;r meetings separately, what were they? i do not know-— i do not know. they may have been ad hoc civil contingencies _ i do not know. they may have been ad hoc civil contingencies meetings, i hoc civil contingencies meetings, perhaps? i hoc civil contingencies meetings, erha s? , , , hoc civil contingencies meetings, --erhas? , , , ., perhaps? i believe this might be a uuote perhaps? i believe this might be a quote from _ perhaps? i believe this might be a quote from the — perhaps? i believe this might be a quote from the e-mail. _ perhaps? i believe this might be a quote from the e-mail. right, i i perhaps? i believe this might be a i quote from the e-mail. right, i see. and then, quote from the e-mail. right, i see. and the

so, the main fear is not... king cobras, in general there are many snake farms in thailand where showjust a bunch of numbers, and philip kerkor in a two-room apartment apartment, do you think it was like in the beginning? you see how sad their faces are, so if you open the glass, they will immediately take revenge on everyone, who is to blame, who is not to blame, in short, nastya, i understand that the snakes in the karababs don’t scare you there, so today in this room with snakes there will be everything just for you , that is, there is usually a huge number of spectators here, you can, of course , grab... a knee, hug, or cuddle up to someone, yes, but now, and now, and now this is a vip performance for you, you can choose any place, she crawls, well she’s alive, she’s crawling, she’s trying to open the box, now they’ll get the cobra , she’s crawling right here, look, he left her, from 81 to 138,000 people die from snake bites around the world every year, and the existence of such farms... is extremely important for preserving the lives of people around the world. wow, look what's s

so that steam cobra. he took the decisions, _ other time. so that steam cobra.e didn't check with me beforehand and clashed it directly with my daily meeting which was frustrating because we had had a daily meeting at the department to feed into the ministerial meeting. in one of these early meetings, the chief adviser said decisions do not need to go to the prime minister. that is inappropriate in a democracy. i saw it simply as essentially a power grab. but it got in the way of organising the response it was then replaced by another system which was better. irate another system which was better. we will come back to that letter. the inquiry— will come back to that letter. the inquiry asked _ will come back to that letter. the inquiry asked mr— will come back to that letter. the inquiry asked mr cummings - will come back to that letter. the inquiry asked mr cummings to i will come back to that letter. the . inquiry asked mr cummings to what extent— inquiry asked mr cummings to what extent was— inquiry asked mr cummings to what extent was this _ inquiry asked mr

i suggested a sub—cobra to deal with the economy. i was also cognisant of the economy.isant of the impact of the economy. a lot of londoners at this stage had already lost their lives. i think 148 londoners had lost their lives by this sunday, the point i was trying to get across to the prime minister, the link between lives and livelihoods, had we got a grip of the virus earlier, had an earlier lockdown, in my view it would be shorter, had less of an impact on the economy. we will come back to this point in the context of the debates later in the context of the debates later in the year. but tell us what your understanding was of how the discussion was left at the end of this call? had mrjohnson made his mind up, orwas he this call? had mrjohnson made his mind up, or was he seeing he would reflect further and let you know? it is quite clear, you will see from the last four retractions, he was considering what i had said, he has not been persuaded to points i was making stop it ends by saying, let us speak again tomorrow. did you in fact speak again the next morning? we

cobra, it is obvious from _ structures.hey largely attended many of those meetings. in due course, cobra _ of those meetings. in due course, cobra faded out of the picture somewhat, do you assess that they did not _ somewhat, do you assess that they did not... the uss that their attendance at —— did you assess that their attendance at covid o was sufficient? their attendance at covid 0 was sufficient?— their attendance at covid 0 was sufficient?_ i i their attendance at covid 0 was i sufficient?_ i think sufficient? yes. over time. i think the permanent — sufficient? yes. over time. i think the permanent secretary - sufficient? yes. over time. i think the permanent secretary at - sufficient? yes. over time. i think. the permanent secretary at number ten, the permanent secretary at number ten. simon — the permanent secretary at number ten, simon case, he opined on whether— ten, simon case, he opined on whether or— ten, simon case, he opined on whether or not the devolved administration should have a right of access— administ

it is quite interesting, sadiq khan says eventually he was invited to cobra meetings., and we heard in exchange for the night before the first national mandatory lockdown was announced on 23rd of march, we saw on screen in the hearing, and the evidence was discussed of a transcript of a telephone call between boris johnson, transcript of a telephone call between borisjohnson, dane piedt minister, and sadiq khan. what was very interesting from that is that borisjohnson is prime minister was having to balance the health concerns about economic concerns. and one got a sense from the evidence, the transcript we were looking at, that even at that stage their night before the national lockdown was ordered, borisjohnson the prime minister still had not made up his mind on whether that was something that should take place, which indeed the following day he announced. doubt you very much. stay with us. we will be back in a few moments time. covering another main story, events in israel and gaza, this is the scene from southern israel looking into gaza, where efforts continue to

_ seriously, so she was keen to attend cobra as— seriously, so she was keen to attend cobra as the —, all ministers within dwp could — meetings, so, all ministers within dwp could flag issues. was very receptive — dwp could flag issues. was very receptive to issues being raised which _ receptive to issues being raised which she — receptive to issues being raised which she would then take up if they needed _ which she would then take up if they needed to— which she would then take up if they needed to be. there were occasions where _ needed to be. there were occasions where i_ needed to be. there were occasions where i attended where there were specific _ where i attended where there were specific disability... we where i attended where there were specific disability. . ._ specific disability... we are listening — specific disability... we are listening to _ specific disability... we are listening to justin - specific disability... we are i listening to justin tomlinson, listening tojustin tomlinson, former list of state for disabled people, work and health, giving evidence to the cod

cobra meeting ceased to take place regularly, you were then providing advice to range of committees,need to be clearer about your term the docking point for sage advice? i term the docking point for sage advice? ., ~' term the docking point for sage advice? ., ~ ., , , advice? i do. i think it was very clear when _ advice? i do. i think it was very clear when it _ advice? i do. i think it was very clear when it was _ advice? i do. i think it was very clear when it was ccs, - advice? i do. i think it was very clear when it was ccs, the i clear when it was ccs, the secretariat for kobe cobra, it then became unclear and it became clear when simon case led the task force and it narrowed down to a more sensible system and that improved over time in terms of them being able to ask better questions and frame them more appropriately. there needs to be a system that swings into action immediately in the case of a pandemic that says, here is a structure that will stay constant and it is properly pop lated with people who can look at the operational needs that come out of that and have enough s

the reference to the chief medical officer's_ the reference to the chief medical officer's advice to cobrai can't remember, whether that passage was put to— remember, whether that passage was put to sir— remember, whether that passage was put to sir chris and whether he accepted — put to sir chris and whether he accepted it was a fair reflection because — accepted it was a fair reflection because it seemed to me that he appeared — because it seemed to me that he appeared to be advising against any measures. — appeared to be advising against any measures, including lockdown. the aeneral measures, including lockdown. tue: general proposition was measures, including lockdown. ti9: general proposition was put to measures, including lockdown. ti9 general proposition was put to him, but not that sentence, so my lady is quite right, there is a mission issue as to where is your measurement measures or the lockdown measure. it measurement measures or the lockdown measure. :, , , :, :, measure. it meant things short of lockdown like _ measure. it meant things short of lockdown like social _ measure.

one of the big things he is how useless cobra he said is how useless cobra was.ps not as important as sadiq khan thinks either . but important as sadiq khan thinks either. but we'll important as sadiq khan thinks either . but we'll get to more of either. but we'll get to more of that indeed some of the that and indeed some of the other issues we're other big issues that we're looking is there looking at today. is there a deal reached within the nhs? will strike stop ? well, will the strike stop? well, let's to that after your let's get to that after your headunes let's get to that after your headlines tatiana . headlines with tatiana. >> tom, thank you . your top >> tom, thank you. your top stories from the newsroom . the stories from the newsroom. the uk's first human case of the h1n1 to virus, also known as bird flu, has been detected . the bird flu, has been detected. the strain is currently circulating in pigs. the uk health security agency says the person has fully recovered after experiencing a mild illness . it's now trying to mild illness. it's now trying

there has been little mention of ministers, although those cobra meetings we are advice was given to

and in reality— getting science into cobra and in reality it — getting science into cobra and in reality, of course, the only soul or primary, perhaps, scientific advisory body for the government in the face of this pandemic, did include in its membership, a significant number of modellers by medics, behavioural scientists, there wasn't in fact a significant number of experts who were dealing with the coal face of how the pandemic might impact upon the country and, therefore, aware of what measures might have to be taken and recommended in terms of infection control, community mobilisation, intensive care. beyond the attendance of public health england and nhs are obviously attending the committee. would you agree? i attending the committee. would you auree? . attending the committee. would you a. ree? ., attending the committee. would you aree? . , ., ,, attending the committee. would you arree? ., , ., ,, agree? i have said previously, you could have — agree? i have said previously, you could have enormous _ agree? i have said previously, you could have enormous membership agree? i hav

a retail activity has recovered since the cobra 19 pandemic continued problems with a how the housing sector did pocket books still today. now paging may need to do more to spur the chinese economy. that's at least what some analysts are saying will phrase or how he is author of read capitalism, the fragile financial foundations of china's extraordinary rise. rays are good to have you. back on the show. singles day is a bit like black friday. it was at one time a day of rebates. now it's weeks long. i believe. is it a gauge of where the chinese economy is right now? um, well of course it is. and a big event. it's a, it's been pushed by ali baba the big uh, uh, internet companies burn up for you know, but it actually, it, this is a major event of trying to push make that big sales day. and it's largely fall and flat. it has the 3rd slight games, but their numbers at all was a bit dubious. you're never sure if that's really what was sold at the end of the day are right. that is just what was booked. and people have in place and those numbers because the talking good slater, but it certa

another person, during and following the cobra 19, pandemic has been so great. do you? it has labeled the situation a shadow pandemic sky. now he's in on this edition of 360 view, we're going to examine the rise in domestic violence and why more has not been done to prevent it. let's get started. the the ripples and the cobra 19 pandemic, and the lock downs have been felt beyond the realm of health. now. so my claim, this is just a coincidence. but the rise in domestic abuse. but during the pandemic locked downs and continuing around the globe and years after, should be very concerning this unintended consequences. as a result of a people in abusive relationships, no longer feeling they could leave. when things got bad knowing leaving is it hard enough as it is, or even finding a safe space to call for help. that the united nations refer to the rise in domestic violence victims as the shadow pen to make during cobra 19 lock downs. yet the globe doesn't seem to be losing it shadow. 3 years later, after the pandemic, the national coalition against domestic violence says t

so i thought it was reasonable, for instance the very first cobra, that i should share it. but there was a when we needed to go broader than are things that ought to be the remit of the department. my to be the remit of the department. my argument and point in response to these allegations that we held too much within the department, or that we didn't get on with stuff, is, and somebody has accused the department of being overwhelmed, but we were certainly very, very busy and we were having to do things that in future ought to be done by other departments or at the centre because it should have been a whole government response earlier. that is my reflection. and what about after the end of february when the cross government machine ramps up on the scale of the crisis is understood and steps have to be taken? to what extent had the department for health and social are got on top of promoting or suggesting the sort of countermeasures and infection control that ultimately were at the heart of the government response? from the end of february when the prime minister took the ch

the chinese government strong, sped, and see in communicating information about the cobra and 19 outbreak has been criticized. is it doing a better job now? i would say mix cigna that we are getting on the one hand it is quite unusual for the w h o for the world health organization to go public in the us trainings government to come forward with more information on those. um uh, spice and hospital cases. that on the other hand it seems that the chinese government has failed to all the relevant data, at least from what we know. so, um it is, i think too early to give you a final um conclusion on that. but yeah, i mean, in the system uh, transparency is not really incentivized, so i would still be skeptical. but um, at least from what we know um, that doesn't seem to be any new um, pandemic coming at. no new virus trained has been discovered yet as well. i leave it there with the timing, thanks so much for joining us today. 5 year on the credit for reporting from badging. the innovation police and fishermen have begun patrols on the shoals of our true province to prevent him get references

you're up to date and coming up wasn't germany's government is doing to bolster the budget because cobra will have an update on that and dw business that's after the break. i think i'm fairly, thank you so much for your company. the version now understand can have the same as like to bind to present data used on instagram to follow up. sometimes a seed is all you need to allow big ideas to grow or bring an environmental conservation to life with learning facts like global ideas. we will show you how climate change and environmental conservation is taking shape around the world and how we can make a difference. knowledge grows through sharing, download it now for the less money, more problems. germany's economy. a new star says financial support for companies transitioning towards a green economy will be upheld despite the government's budget. also coming out as the u. n. is set to play a bigger role in the national tax corporation. we'll hear from an expert why he thinks the global south, in particular sense to benefit from the and will tell you why cyprus is no longer a hotspot for is r

in a case of cobra, we came in to give advice in the cobra meeting and subsequently as things rampeds and then met mrs may before that on three occasions and i'm think i am right in saying that my predecessor didn't actually have a meeting directly with theresa may. so it wasn't as though the science advisor is in and out of number ten all the time. that obviously came to be the case during covid but it was for specific purposes. 9nd be the case during covid but it was for specific purposes.— for specific purposes. and we will come to see _ for specific purposes. and we will come to see that _ for specific purposes. and we will come to see that there _ for specific purposes. and we will come to see that there were i come to see that there were certainly— come to see that there were certainly times when you are meeting the prime _ certainly times when you are meeting the prime minister on a daily basis. yes _ the prime minister on a daily basis. yes. �* ., ., ._ the prime minister on a daily basis. yes. �* ., ., ., , ., yes. but not all day and they would be some meetings _ yes. but n

what japanese government is doing to both the the budget chris cobra has that's on the dw business show off for a break. i'm jack patrick from all of us here on the news team in balance. thank you for watching the show by the . every jenny is surprises. me is gone all out to give you some of the right people in europe, northern most count the police the free time. but still very much alive. your guy to the special recognizes where exactly it was fun. i have learned a lot of our culture history, dw, travel, extremely worth a visit, the less money, more problems, germany's economy minister says financial support for companies transitioning towards a green economy will be upheld despite the government's budget course. also coming up as the you and the set to play a bigger role in the national tax corporation will hear from an expert why he things the global south in particular sense to benefit from them and will tell you why cyprus is no longer a hot spot. for is really invest impressed. cobra walked into the program. germany's economy minister says he wants to continue with the funding of

the prime _ multiple meetings of sage and cobra.ngs, and cabinet, and so on, in february. but nowhere _ cabinet, and so on, in february. but nowhere beyond the debate about the need for _ nowhere beyond the debate about the need for plans and the need for modelling in sage and the need for a proper— modelling in sage and the need for a proper understanding of the position as any— proper understanding of the position as any part _ proper understanding of the position as any part of the government openly say there _ as any part of the government openly say there is— as any part of the government openly say there is a massive threat and we are woefully— say there is a massive threat and we are woefully under prepared for it and something must be done at the very highest level and with real urgencv, — very highest level and with real urgency, that that tanner appears to be missing — urgency, that that tanner appears to be missing. from that material —— that that _ be missing. from that material —— that that tone appears to be missing _

aerodynamics and puts the plane on its hind legs , this technique has since been called pugachev’s cobrald have had another name, even earlier this aerobatics maneuver performed by test pilot leoni. i did up to sixty exits in one flight, not a cobra, but a dynamic exit, the name is correct, in archival footage there is a dynamic exit on a su-27 performed by leonid lobos, the plane had problems recovering from a spin and the testers risked their lives to drive it into dangerous modes . when the thrust vector appeared, such a need disappeared, additional capabilities appeared on the aircraft and by changing the direction of engine thrust, what happens is that you see rotation in the air, unusual for aircraft, something that stops in the air, it does not stop in the air, it falls, but it is put in a position, it practically does not fly, but falls, this is what was the result of this work, new models of russian fighters rotate in a flat plane and easily get out of it, this is an advantage in air combat, and flight safety, the pilot is completely confident in the stability of the machine. fl

he said he asked repeatedly attend cobra repeatedly to attend cobra meetings so that he could be awareppening, but aware of what was happening, but it wasn't until the 16th of march that he was finally allowed to attend a cobra meeting and he said that when he attended this meeting, he felt winded exactly winded just by learning exactly how dire the situation was . and how dire the situation was. and we've got a clip to play you now of speaking today at the of mr khan speaking today at the inquiry . inquiry. >> how many of those around cobra knew issues around diversity, co—morbidity , diversity, co—morbidity, intergenerational households , intergenerational households, overcrowded accommodation? how many people around cobra knew, for example, in london, when there are more people who work in zero hours contract work in the we work in the gig economy, we work in frontline jobs where they can catch this virus. and so my point being is, look, it's horses for courses . in this horses for courses. in this particular case, i can see no explanation at all why , you explanation at all why, yo

, so on and so _ structures, cabinet, cobra, so on and so forth, even where other parts of the _ and you then try— might not be represented, or you then try to— might not be represented, or you then try to bring the men on an ad hoc basis — then try to bring the men on an ad hoc basis as— then try to bring the men on an ad hoc basis as and when they are required — hoc basis as and when they are required to be there, was that the fundamental choice faced by the government? you have crystallised it. it was ultimately, again, contingent. there were couple of occasions when cabinet colleagues bristled at the fact that sometimes the devolved administrations were involved in discussions and influencing decision—making and felt —— and in those they were not represented in. there was a sense with some colleagues, we are the government to get you are discussing these things with nicola sturgeon, michelle o'neill, mark drakeford et al.. balance was... my own view was that we benefited from bringing in the devolved administrations as early as possible during the whole pandemic. you are aware th

that of the two cobra meetings that took place in january— cobra meetings that took place in januaryd the first meeting, but sent one of your ministers — first meeting, but sent one of your ministers to— first meeting, but sent one of your ministers to attend that meeting, but you _ ministers to attend that meeting, but you did attend the second meeting — but you did attend the second meeting on the 29th ofjanuary. i want _ meeting on the 29th ofjanuary. i want to— meeting on the 29th ofjanuary. i want to move a week or so forward in the chronology, because the inquiry has heard _ the chronology, because the inquiry has heard about a meeting that took place _ has heard about a meeting that took place on _ has heard about a meeting that took place on the 4th of february between the prime _ place on the 4th of february between the prime minister and chris whitty, the prime minister and chris whitty, the chief— the prime minister and chris whitty, the chief medical officer. as far as we know. — the chief medical officer. as far as we know, this was not a meeting that you were _ we know,