her name's meg coburn. meg coburn? yeah, she's in the auto building, you know?morning. where you gonna be? better if you don't know. all right, johnny boy. watch your back, huh? (sirens blaring) (makes me wanna die playing) (doorbell buzzes) meg: yeah? meg coburn? never heard of her. eddie. eddie sent me. great. all right. well, just hang on a second. (clicks) all right, come on in. (buzzes) can i help you? i need a package. a package? what's the package? papers, you know? no, i don't know. i'm kind of slow that way, so i think you're gonna have to be very specific. i want forged documents to china. okay. you said "forged." we'll do it. now have a seat. or not. i don't have much time. all right. china? mainland? well, what you need is gonna cost you. at least a grand. how soon did you say you needed this? from here i go to the airport. one hour. that soon? all right, back up. you have to back up because i'm taking your picture. it won't come out. smile and say "flight from prosecution." okay, what's your name? john. and? john lee. thank you. you sure you want jo

but tom coburn?hat the president wrote about tom coburn not toot long ago when coburn was selected as one of the most influential people of the year "after i took office, tom received dozens of letters from oklahomans complaining we looked too close on tv. tom's response was how better to influence somebody than to love them. each of us hopes the other will see the light but we'll settle for being friends. what kind of friend is he? >> with friends my those, you don't need no enemies. . at the end of the day, it used to be a time when you could step into your very small saturday morning gop breakfast and say what you wanted to say without any real repercussions because what was said among family stayed among family. then they invented videotape. it's very difficult to have one conversation in the public square and then one conversation with your very localized constituents. in this case, they're sort of bleeding over for coburn, in up to his chagrin. the fact is he has had to try and distance himself

we are talking about tom coburn now. lindsey graham, you remember last year when he is someone else who is considered by folks on both sides of the aisle to be center who is level-headed and fairly reasonable and somewhat logical and spent the better part of two weeks talking about impr immigration reform. if this is a strategy what is the strategy? >> lindy is an old roommate from mine of washington, d.c. and i've had several discussions with him that both of us disagree on. the strategy has to be this. my concern friends will get mad a at me i do agree with governor rendell. we have to talk about the issues important to the country and say how do we get real solutions and conservative principles and take this to this administration and the democrats that control the senate to get things done. talking about these issues like an impeachment that are not going to happen doesn't help that agenda and it doesn't help us, not only in policy on, but it doesn't help us in politics next november. >> always a pleasure, gentlemen.

here is senator tom coburn at a town hall meeting this week. >> those are serious things but we are at a serious time and i don't have the legal background to know if that rises in high crimes and misdemeanors but i think they are getting perilously close. barack obama is a friend of mine and became my friend in the senate, but that does not mean i agree in any way with what he is doing or how he is doing it. i, quite frankly, think he is in a difficult position he has put himself in and if it continues, i think we are going to have another constitutional crisis in our country in terms of the presidency. >> i want to bring in "the washington post" jackie kucinich and host of post tv in play. matt cooper is editor of the national journal daily. good morning. >> good morning. >> thanks. >> let's start with tom coburn saying the president is close to impeachment. this is taking things to another level. >> chris, you know, as you heard in the clip, tom coburn is a friend of president obama so they go back a long way in the senate. and, you know, he has been kind of conciliatory on a lot of

coburn's not running for re-election. he is a senator from one of the most conservative states.e built a reputation over the last decade as one of the more conservative members of the senate. the town hall, if you listen to the whole tape, it really does sound just like he was sort of musing, thinking aloud about some of these things. it really is amazing how at this stage in everyone's presidency now the country is so polarized. we remember it in 2005, 2006 with george w. bush and now with obama. you're going to have partisans who call for impeachment. i think that's just where we are now as a country. >> and, you know, you'll remember during the height of the frenzy about the whole birther movement, donald trump said he had sent investigators to hawaii. he says you'll never believe what they're finding. they're finding this incredible stuff, without giving any actual information. so in terms of what they could specifically be talking about when they're talking about impeachable offenses, something that would rise to the level of high crimes, what specific instances might they

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senator tom coburn said the administration has come perilously close. you make of this talk of impeachment. >> this is what republicans are hearing from their intwts and of course, you can look at all the different factors in that and many of the republicans come from safe republican districts so the people that show up at their town halls tend to be conservative, not likely that they voted for president obama's re-election or his election in the first place in 2008. they're in part responding to what their intwts are saying to them. but if you read between the lines, senator coburn has gotten grief about this, he's talking about things that he doesn't necessarily like to see. he's responding to what the process would be. all of the rains that i've spoken with on this know that it is absolutely not possible to impeach the president. they're not going to mount an effort like that. so the talk that rhetoric that you're hearing back home isn't going to be coming back to washington. you're not going to be seeing people file articles of impeachment. it's jus

more than ironic but in terms of in terms of a government shutdown you know let's face it tom coburn very conservative republican from oklahoma richard burr another conservative from north carolina including house leadership john boehner and eric cantor have all said they oppose the government shutdown strategy they know what happened when newt gingrich went up against bill clinton and that's republicans got the blame and republicans are also looking at the possibility of pot you know slim but the possibility of taking over the united states senate having control of both chambers i don't think they want to blow it on something that in the end is not going to fund obamacare. now that mr snowden published kind of divided if you talk to a lot of people though say they admire what mr snowden did in the what the government did invading privacy is reprehensible on the other side people say well these are interesting times and they call for interesting actions where you stand then well you know i have some real sympathy for both snowden and also for chelsea manning you know these are tough

and that guy coburn made up the story. and the confederates didn't hate the world so you have all these papers and they had their editorial, and filing of a copy did not necessarily agree with the editorials junius and albert were abolitionists, and worked for this democratic paper. i don't think the world interfered with coburn's dispatches in that. >> sorry about laughing in the middle of your talk. >> i like laughing. >> i was wondering, this rich edson guy had a wife. was there any way to write letters home for these 20,000 camps you were in? >> they did ride home and some of the letters that he rode home exist. i found them at the archives in one of those holy cow moment. the rich edson papers are in the massachusetts historical society. some of the letters he wrote home where there. and lost according to history. the letters that junius and albert wrote to their managing editor, were found by sidney's grandchildren and a family stable on staten island and gave them to columbia university, and most of them are quite l

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>> tom coburn is a friend. it's easy to see why they got another dog. you know, right now, the capitol should be renamed area 51, because there's all this out-of-this world kind of discussion going on. impeachment used to be such an extreme measure. but now it's the kind of thing, it's just tossed around. as far as defunding obama care, you heard republicans saying, we need to debate obama care. i believe they did that when they passed it. >> you know, the supreme court, one would think, sort of settled the matter. but bob, going back to what esther was just talking about, you would think at some point, even at these town hall meetings, would wise up and realize, when there have been -- you know, when they're being made fools of, to a certain extent. >> made fools by whom? i think that right now, there's not a lot of deep thinking that goes into town hall meetings. it's an awful lot of people vetting. nobody wants to deal with the complexities of issues like health care in the united states. so they're easily demagogued. i think that's what we're seeing

so what does it mean now that tom coburn is suggesting impeachment?n't think that they're thinking very far. so, you know, they got nervous about the government shutdown. they said let's not shut the government down. and instead, they said, well let's worry about -- do it on the debt ceiling instead which shows you just a lack of any forethought. they're so panicked about what's going to happen next week they would like to make it ten times more difficult for themselves two weeks later. you can't tie obama care to the debt ceiling but they're so nervous about what's going to happen around the government shutdown they're willing to -- we'll deal with that problem when we get to it. >> every crazy idea, whether it's a conspiracy theory or a plan to shut down the government for greater leverage, has to be entertained, right? this is part of what robert costa described in the national journal as wink wink theater which is the dance that they must -- one must do to rally the republican caucus? >> and what's interesting about that is it's getting closer and

tom coburn is not the rhino. he is not the member of the surrender caucus.ot a member of our party. you are too stupid to be a member of our party. how much more blood do ayou want to take from the conservative movement, from the republican party. how much more damage do you want to cause? tom coburn not conservative enough for you? scott walker not conservative enough for you? how long does this madness continue? when do you realize that your stupidity is getting in the way of conservatives winning national elections? do you want to keep losing? you have lost a popular vote five out of six times in presidential races. do ayou want hillary clinton ? are you really that stupid? are you really that dumb? are you really that much need of being angry and resentful that you stop caring about winning elections? if so you are not a republican. you are not a conservative. you're anihilist and you have no place in our party. take your stupid act somewhere else because i for one am tired of losing. it is stopping because hammer is saying enough. pete wayner is saying

senator coburn says it's impossible.t with mike lee, ted cruz, rand paul and marco rubio, having expect so much time with republican leaders peddling can't instead of try, i give up hope he can change in the twilight of his senate career. your response, sir, to that? >> you can't respond to the bloggers. i mean, one period in a six month, i'm a hero and the next time i'm not. the fact is unless you agree with them 100% of the time, you don't pass muster. so that's a blogger on red state that i obviously can't please. i'm not sure how to best characterize -- nobody's ever put me in anybody's camp other than my own. and so what we're trying to do, nobody disagrees with the goal, they just disagree with the tactics. >> but there certainly is criticism that your colleague es can't seem to find unity on issues. >> mika, that's not true. i mean, you have 11 republican senators out of 46. that means 35 don't agree with the strategy. so the press loves to say there's a division. sure, there's 11 senators with some outside groups

i mean, i don't know what tom coburn is talking about. i would advise gop not to go down this line.n particular, because it's happening in the absence of ideas and an alternative vision. there's lots of things you can do way short of impeachment to turn around the policy initiatives of the obama administration. yes, there are some constitutional questions of barack obama. it certainly doesn't rise to the impeachment. don't think we need to have tom coburn or any other republican calling for impeachment because the president is impeaching himself, his credibility. since the recovery of 2009, household incomes are down 4.4%, black household incomes are down 11%, hispanic income homes down 4.5%. households led by women are down 7.5%. households are children of more than three children are down 9%. black unemployment is at 40%. >> and i think, rick, it's an all great fodder for a good debate, but -- >> that's what whee have at nbc are conversations. >> on this issue, you go to the constitution for a little clarity on impeachment, article two, section four sis the president, vice preside

if cruz, paul and lee are making coburn be the centrists obama wants to deal with.hey doing their job really well? >> what do you say? >> i think there are a couple things happening here, john mccain and lindsey graham really want more military spending. >> and they're still angry about the sequester. >> they thought the deal they were getting with the sequester in 2011 is that this thing is so terrible, it won't become law, the military cuts won't happen. >> and surprise, surprise, rand paul won. thank you for joining me. >> josh gets all the attention. >>> that's all in for this evening, the rachel has dow show starts now, with melissa harris-perry. >> thanks to joining us this hour. this is chris hughes, he was one of the founders of face back, going back to the dorm room days of harvard. in 2008 he ran the online part of barack obama's presidential campaign. he created the digital strategy that helped get president obama elected. last year he got married, he married sean eldridge in new york state. now, mr. hughes' new husband is running for congress as a democr

. >> yes, that was president obama's friend, his friend, senator tom coburn responding to a questionur panel is up next. un ♪ ♪ build! we're investing big to keep our country in the lead. ♪ load! we keep moving to deliver what you need. and that means growth, lots of cargo going all around the globe. cars and parts, fuel and steel, peas and rice, hey that's nice! ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪ ♪ helping this big country move ahead as one ♪ ♪ norfolk southern how's that function? ♪ >>> president and ceo for the center for american progress and cnn commentator cornel belcher, thank you all for joining us, i want to start with what we showed our viewers before. suggesting that maybe the i-word should be used, impeachment. is that a good thing for republicans to do right now? >> probably not. it's also my guess and i admit that i have not seen the entire context of that clip, but my guess is that senator coburn was in the meeting with his constituents. i don't think tom coburn actually wants to impeach president obama, i think he gave a stupid answer to a stupid question. >>

coburn, on behalf of my family, i appreciate what you've done for us. your sacrifices have been i have a veryknow. difficult question for you. we've talked a lot about the constitution, we've talked about the lawless administration that we currently have. the constitution provides for three branches -- executive, judicial, legislative. we have an executive sitting president, who is rewriting laws, failing to enforce laws he has selecting which part he wants enforced. he is accountable to and who is -- for enforcing his requirements and responsibilities? [applause] i believe it is the attorney general and we know that is no good. who is the next? >> it is the house of representatives. it is the judiciary committee. what you have to do, is you have to establish the criteria that would qualify for proceedings against the president. that's called impeachment. [applause] but that is not something you take lightly, and you have to read the historical precedent of what that means. i think there is some intended violation of the law in this administration, but

one of the guys on the intelligence committee is tom coburn. i was at the meeting with him. watched and stand up and said this had the best oversight, the most accountable, and was saving american lives. 13 out of the 14 voted that way. both the speaker and the minority leader's book that way. look at the irs are exactly right. absolutely horrific abuse of power. cases havedividual come forward. two that have been the eater of this country in the last decade feel the same way. now, i said i think this is a really important debate to have. and i told him in conference, i do not lean you for using the only legislative vehicle we is towhat we really need have a serious hearing investigation where you actually hold people accountable and you look at

>> well, tom coburn's a serious man, and he's not running for election again.ted himself, so i don't know that he's playing to the crowd. he's obviously concerned about some of the things this administration has done, the selective decision on whether to enforce deportation of people without getting any approval from congress, young people, you know, the so-called dreamers, some of the actions with the irs which have not been with linked to the white house but, obviously, there are suspicions about that. you know, it's interesting, the constitution which is so precise on so many issues is actually quite imprecise on the issue of impeachment. it says high crimes and misdemeanors without really setting forth what those. and i think intentionally, because they wanted it to be more of a, in a sense, a political judgment. what in each time going forward over the centuries is going to be seen as a violation so great that the country is going to feel that they need to take the extraordinary step of taking the chief executive or somebody from any position and driving t

senator tom coburn said, quote, it's not an achievable strategy. the dumbest idea i've ever heard but a dozen senators have backed to push this including senator ted cruz. >> the question i have asked of my republican colleagues over and over again is what is your alternative. if we simply sit here and meekly do nothing or if we cast another symbolic vote to repeal obama care that never go anywhere, we will be aaceding to it. >> that reminds me of another public address delivered nearly 40 years ago. >> i became a republican not because the parties were the same but precisely because they were different. more than half of those who didn't vote have been polled and say it no longer makes any difference which party wins. now, some have taken another course. there are some among us and i respect their views who suggests that means the end to the republican party and we should form a new third party. may i suggest an alternative party. may i suggest that we have a new first party, republican party, raising a banner of bold colors, no pale pastels stand

coburn is. >> mr. know his. >> sorry, i'm not sure if those lawmakers have made a name for themselves. i'm not sure if they've made a name for themselves outside of the ways they try to pander to their base around absurd accusations. if you think there's grounds for impeaching this president, that is an extremely serious accusation. we want the evidence and the proof to back that up. if they were more substantive, we might be able to pay for attention to them. i haven't seen substance in any claims up to this point. >> there's the feeling it is the black president aspect of it. 50 years after the march on washington, we have this african-american man in the white house. you just heard pat robertson say race relations have gotten worse. now going to the other side of the aisle, had you congresswoman marshall futt said right after the election of the president, i would have thought it was going in a move direction. i'm not sure anymore. has having this african-american president elected made race relatio

ones who have publicly discussed. 6 and now buzzfeed, the website, is reporting that senator tom coburn, said yesterday that obama was getting perilously close to the standard of impeachment. some people like ted cruz. cruz has offered his sympathy and implicit support to those looking to impeach obama. here's cruz at a town hall this week. >> it's a good question. you need the votes in the u.s. senate. with the democrats controlling the senate -- i think the stage is said for 2014 to be a fantastic year for republicans. i believe in 2014, we can take the majority of the u.s. senate and retire harry reid. >>> ed rendell, and john braybrenner, a strategist. let me go to the governor on this one. this attempt began way back with the you lie and birther iism and sort of an attempt to put an asterisk next to him name. so they'll be able to say he was never actually president, because he was from some other country or he was impeached or there was talk of impeachment. the bill he passed was never really an act of government. thib uses tissue rejection, i've never seen it, they didn't like cl

tom coburn, who i consider one of these solid guys in the obama, a friend of bringing up impeachment. do town hall meetings drive you nuts? >> he has been the voice of reason for quite some time and ont down the discussion obamacare. it makes you wonder what is going on? are we moving into 2014? posturing lot of going on? >> the president was out there this week talking about the high cost of higher education. what does it cost to put a young person through a private university or college these days. >> $50,000 a year. i was stunned. a landto penn state on grant. no elitism here. i went to harvard on a scholarship. i was amused. they have mahi-mahi, not pal a bit. -- hal a bit. it is like a four star resort. you do not have to price kids out of education. >> even penn state is not cheap anymore, is it? >> it might be like when he thousand dollars. >> this is another example of -- $20,000. >> this is another example of the federal government trying to solve a problem it largely created. they have been pumping money into the universities, who raise notion, but there is decrease in deman

it is is this culture that is is a permanent fuel class in the words of tom coburn who is a senator.t just keeps sustaining itself. it's the wealthiest community in the united states. the rest of the country has struggledded in concert with it. it's just been this tipping point of self-celebration that i wanted to chronicle. >> john: as irritating as the spine of the argument of this book is, the way it's being reviewed has irritated me even more. lots of people say, oh, yeah, that's a funny story about valerie jarrett. there is a black heart at the center of this. >> thank you, thank you, thank you. great. >> john: feel free to put that on the next book. there's a black heart in the center of this book. enjoy. let's talk a little bit about the revolving door. >> sure john: through d.c. because you mention the atlantic points out in 1974, 3% of retiring members became lobbyists. now 50% of senators. >> 50% of senators, 42% of congressmen. >> john: that is a problem, is is it not? >> you would think. people come to washington. they ran against washington as this swamp. they say i'm go

it is the same thing, this is silliness, i am really surprised that tom coburn, who is no dope, woulda thing. because the president is going to pay the bondholders, because he is not going to allow us to go into default, which means he is not going to allow us to pay social security and all of those other things. >> when you listen to guys like that, you wonder if he is just saying this because he wants to sound tough about something, he will hang his hat on the debt ceiling, betting he will never have to deliver on it? you wonder if how much of this rhetoric is these republicans needing to sound tough in front of certain audiences. >> i don't get this, the smart people in the republican party know this is just -- this is just nothing but turning off the american people. the voters are so tired of this. i just don't understand why they keep pursuing this. i understand they have to play to their own base. their own base is getting smaller every single day. >> governor dean, quickly, before you go, you made a trip to iowa recently, which provoked a lot of questions about is howard dean

and senator tom coburn will join us, he we'll ask if he believes with his colleague, ted cruz that anycan that doesn't want to fund obama is running scarce. >>> and comments aren't making members of the progressive party happy. we have a lot more ahead along with howard dean. steve, mike. wake up, mike. are you awake? >> all right. thomas, it's time. thomas. >> it's going to be a great show. >> stay ahead on "way too early," the beer summit that never was. we'll talk to you about who you would like to see have a beer together. we told you to get creative. so your best tweets coming up on "morning joe" just moments away. [ male announcer ] it's a golden opportunity to discover the heart-pounding exhilaration beyond the engineering. ♪ come to the golden opportunity sales event to experience the precision handling of the lexus performance vehicles, including the gs and all-new is. ♪ this is the pursuit of perfection. ♪ a quarter million tweeters musicare tweeting.eamed. and 900 million dollars are changing hands online. that's why the internet needs a new kind of server. one that's 80% sm

and tom coburn that he is getting perilously close to a reason for impeachment. david, this is a consistent pattern of delegitimization leading all the way up to 2013 with a big impeachment effort now by these people. >> you know what this reminds me of? it's what people say, it may not even be true about pornography and drugs that you keep having to get a bigger, better fix you. get used to something. >> birtherism ain't good enough. >> it's not goo enough. we've been talking about this for five year 2000s about delegitimizing this guy. >> but it's escalating. >> not accepting him. it hasn't worked politically. it hasn't really soothed the salve vic, you know, beasts of the right wing part of the republican party. and yet it's like the ante keeps getting raised higher and higher. and to be legitimately seen by the republican grassroots, you have to now at least -- look what tom coburn did. to me he is the real measure here. he is a guy who has had a good personal relationship with the president. he sometimes goes against his own party. even though he is a real c