"where's my roy cohn"?o his late mentor roy cohn, a cars mat charismatic brauns born prosecutor his methods were ruthless and in fact criminal. he began his career hunting suspected communists as the chief counsel to joseph mccarthy in the early 1950s. no client was too unsavory over the years who went onto represent a number of mafia figures among others. now filmmaker matt tyrnauer with a new documentary, "where's my roy cohn." here's a clip. >> the justice department was going of fred trump and donald trump for not letting blacks in their housing. rather than making a deal, rather than admitting guilt, roy said that, trump, you need to go full after the just department. >> roy was clear what to do, attack, don't settle, don't apologize, attack. >> roy would always be for an offense hit strategy. those are the rules of war. you don't fight on the other guy's ground. you define the what the debate is going to be about. i think donald learned that from roy. i learned that from roy. >> roy cohn began this wh

life of roy cohn.o much for joining us. and here's the question. what attracted joe mccarthy to this guy roy cohn? he trusted him completely, implicitly defended him no matter what he wanted and is it the same thing that attracted donald trump over the years? >> joe mccarthy was kind of an empty vessel. he wasn't really the sharpest tool in the drawer and i think he needed someone to manipulate and tell him what to say. the iconic footage of cohn is him whispering in the ear of mccarthy in the senate subcommittee and really kind of leading him into these persecuting questionings of usually innocent witnesses. he was a demagogue whisperer and he liked to sort of infect empty vessels and i think trump was sort of his latent life project, a demagogue in the making and he became the apprentice to roy cohn. >> you know one thing that impressed me by the beautifully made movie by you, and this is really good, what i liked about it is the artistic quality. i had no problem with any of the political messages.

many said donald trump is roy cohn.he question gary cohn might be answered with donald trump is his own roy zoan as you were working to disbar roy cohn, what did you learn about him? >> he was a thief, he stole from his clients and then lied about it. he was indicted three times and beat all three indictments. and he worked for five years to beat our charges. we pursued him for five years and got him disbarred in the process. he accused us of being left-wing yo-yos, dead weitzebeats, and w doing what people accused joe mccarthy of doing. the fact is he had excellent lawyers and in the end he brought in great character witnesses like donald trump who swore that he was a soul of integrity. that was donald trump. in the end i signed a petition seeking to disbar him on all four counts, and the court on which his father sat granted that petition. >> matt, how did you portray president trump in this documentary? >> as the apprentice. there's no question about it. in the period when cohn was the leading mob attorney, he was al

did the president get his roy cohn? >> i think the president is his own roy cohn.rr a trump roy cohn, and hi answer to that is he wishes. i think trump's got it himself. >> great to have you both here. appreciate your time. matt tine in urin nire. >>> i had the chance to stand at yankee stadium's home plate this week to bring awareness to the sixth deadliest disease. to all those out there living in a dementia or alzheimer's family, here's to working towards a cure one day. >>> that wraps it up for me this our. our coverage continues right here on msnbc. (vo) diarrhea? new pepto diarrhea to the rescue. its three times concentrated liquid formula coats and kills bacteria to relieve diarrhea. the leading competitor only treats symptoms. it does nothing to kill the bacteria. treat diarrhea at its source with new pepto diarrhea. i can taste my beer! i can taste my beer. i can taste his beer. i can taste your beer. i want to taste his beer. samuel adams sam '76. finally, a refreshing lager that you can taste. barb, i can taste my beer. finally, a refreshing lager that y

james: in a bar, roy cohn. david: roy cohn was a prominent lawyer for a long time.es: the subject of the documentary film "where is my white coat,"-that- " where is my roy cohn," now in theaters. the first principle he learned was always counterattack. in the race determination case from where people so that you can settle and take a consent cohn's advice was let's beat handfuls of he counterclaim against the government for $100 million. it kept the government on its heels. always counterattack. the second principle is always undermine and try to smear your adversary. cohn had done that successfully , acquitted three times after being indicted in the southern district of near. the third is work the press. race discrimination case, the first thing they did was called a press conference. david: he said that no matter how bad it looks, declare victory. james: declare victory and go home no matter what happens. david: apply this to the present day. we have a situation with the communication -- we don't know what it was, we are not being told yet, between the president o

for his roy cohn. he wants giuliani to be roy cohn number one and barr to be roy cohn number two. should the committee take a look at that? yeah, they should take a look at that. but this is a president who shook down a foreign leader using taxpayer dollars that congress voted for. in terms of whistle-blower protection, i call on chuck grassley to just get out there now. i worked with him on the whistle-blower protection act many times. where is he? where are these republicans? they know, they say quietly according to republican friends of mine, that they're just disgusted, troubled and worried. get out there, put your country over your party. this whistle-blower complaint is so clear. a republican inspector general said it was credible, and we have a president who is breaking the law and we have his minions covering it up. it's up to the republicans to do what the republicans did during the nixon days, step out and lead the way here for justice. >> i believe the expression that you were referring to w

on the one side, the globalists included former wall street executives like ry cohn and steve mnuchin the other side, the nationalists included bannon, along with robert lighthizer a a peter navarro, a hawkishrr economist whose film "death by china" caught auump's attention. >> one of the most urgent problems facing america, its increasingly destructive tradeh relationship wrapidly rising china. >> sullivan: the two campsar disagreed y over whether aggressive measures like tariffs would help or hurthe american ecomy. >> we had a mindset that to be a great power, you know, it wasn't just your military. you had to be a great onomic wer. and a great power had to built upon, had to be built bupon a great manufacturie. to "make america great again," you've got to brin manufacturing back to the country. >> sullivan: se of the people that areofery pro-tari right now make an argument that the united stas has lost its manufacturing baseand that this is actually real people's lives at stake here. >> well, the data would show manufacturing jobs have gone down in the united sedtes, si understand

where is my roy cohn? >> he knew, roy cohn was trump's men tire.ing in the ear of mccarthy all of the time, and he brought us back to his version of the bad hold days. now we call it trumpism, but we need to understand what this is to understand where we are now. >> so his dark evil menacing spirit was first board leaning over the shoulder of joe mccarthy, the army of mccarthy hearings. nationally televised. roy cohen dies years later of aides. my question to you is his inability in that age and that era to be who he was. an openly gae man, he was prohibited from doing that. >> you have to look at the context. so we can't fault him for that. he was a deeply closeted gay man who was also j. edgar hoover. but this difference between the rest of the people. part of the witch hunts was going after the state department. so this level of hypocrisy and destroying of people who are the same of you is really world class and this becomes the problem and he repeats this throughout his career, and he is the one that gets the electric chair. this expresses a se

been blurred in the trump administration you know, trump oftentimes says, "i'm looking for my roy cohntates and i fear that he has found his cohn in bill barr, who surprisingly to me has not lived up to what i expected him to be as an attorney general he's a little too compliant. a little too close to, you know, the president. >> seth: you've now taken on, i should say, are combatting gerrymandering and redistricting. >> yep >> seth: this is a huge issue that happens on the state level. and while we're all focused on sort of the presidential election, this is happening in real time. do you -- explain exactly how bad things are right now and what you're trying to do to combat it. >> well, we are trying to make sure that come 2021 when we redistrict, we have a fair process. i'm not gerrymandering for democrats. let's make it a fair process and if we do, democrats and progressives will do just fine but gerrymandering has resulted in really kind of things that are inconsistent with the will of the people. 90% of the american people favor background checks. you know, overwhelmingly also sup

they're doing things where if you have not seen the roy cohn movie, where is my roy cohn?ness and turn it into a strength. and so they know they are in deep, deep trouble with this. the president's personal lawyer, he does not work for the administration. he's not a federal employee. he's a personal lawyer. the reality is, this is benefiting the democrats and ts that the more the democrats are pressing for the investigation of what was done in the ukraine, i invite it, because i am doing my job as poor defenseless lawyer who is defending his lawyer. >> what? >> we know he has gone on television and admitted that of course, i went there and asked them to investigate hunter biden and investigate joe biden and again there, he is saying that y'all keep reporting this story and i will keep saying what i am saying, and they are hiding in plain sight, and they are trying to throw dust in our eyes and get us off of the original story is which is what i think that is happening is that it is not going to work this time. it worked in '16, but it is not going to work now, because we a

that he was a great partner when it came to germany and also herself and we heard from president marc cohn who said he was a great frenchman a man who embodied what it really was to be french we were also speaking to some of the crowds of people who came to see this funeral to pay their final respects and they did. told us that jacques chirac was a great leader and that it was important to come and say one final goodbye. if he was a true frenchman there you go what i loved about human after a genuine girl it was structured out for me for friends. gave me a place he was one of the best presidents that's what i think he did many things for france including many things that people don't know about in the social sphere and things like that so i was just. that was his character that was his character but all the same not everyone liked him so many in my family were fond of him it's nice to know that. he was we heard during the service head of his time a man who was fiercely proud to be french thousands of people have paid all major respect as jacques chirac now makes his final journey to his re

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gary cohn quit when he lost the debate on tariffs. and let's not forget anthony scaramucci. he was out after ten days i was press secretary when it became too much moche and not a half maga. president trump is impatient for results and he's going to change personnel as necessary to achieve them. i will take that any day over someone who cavalierly copes on the status quo or doubles down on failure with a swagger. trump's foreign policy is best described as prudent realism. he believes that given the fact that the u.s. economy now represents about 20 to 25% of the global gdp, we need to maximize our leverage wisely. trump actually considers how much military missions cost. cost our taxpayers their hard-earned money. and whether they make our life here better and safer at home. again, the bushes, very patriotic people and we honor their service in government but they didn't spend a lot of time worrying about those details. so looking back on it, is that approach more moral than trump's when our citizens drive on roads and bridges that are falling apart? most voters think we sh

scott cohn, nbc news. >> and you know what?welry could be the product of crime. i don't think so. >> you don't think so, but you have to see how smugglers and money launderers turn dirty money into pure gold. watch an all-new episode of "american greed." >>> combining a love for running and a passion for the giants, a race where you finish by crossing home plate inside oracle park. this is the tenth annual giants race in san francisco. thousands of people showed up wearing orange and black for today's half marathon. the race started along the embarcadero and fishermen's wharf. >> it was my first time running a 10k. >> running a 10k is no joke. >> you've never done it? >> no. i like watching. [ laughter ] those who finished the race got a shirt, a bobblehead of a giant's player. >> good day for running. >> it was a good day. >> perfect day for running. we had cool temperatures, a little bit of sunshine. it was a good mix. overall through and through from the coast all the way to inland areas. now the temperatures even at this ho

that's how this attorney general is being used, as a roy cohn basely. and we also know he sided with the president in terms of the mueller report before, during and after. everything was basically juiced for the president's purposes by this attorney general. now you cite the attorney general as the one to deliver the call as if it's an institution immune to politics. this department of justice is totally politicized. >> the department of justice under our constitution, chris is part of the political branches of government. the a.g., like it or not, is a political appointee. that's why this is not fundamentally going to be solved by lawyers. this is political conflict between the two political branches of government and it's got to have a political solution which is either an election or an impeachment. >> you've said what i've been thinking so articletly now for months. lawyers are not going to solve this. it may not be about the letter of the law. it's like pornography, you'll know when you see it. and this has been committing a high crime. anyway, tha

. >> now, many of the aides who had opposed tariffs in the past, gary cohn, they are gone. it does not appear president trump will deviate from that strategy any time soon despite these private concerns. >> seemingly unrattled by all of that and the discussions about it because he's out on the golf course again today in sterling, virginia. those are some of the new images we received. thank you for joining me. >>> a historian and professor at princeton university and also with me anita who is a white house correspondent and an associate editor at politico. how important is a strong economy for a president's re-election? >> it's very strong and important for any president. the two recent one-term presidents george h.w. bush in 1982 both had poor economies and president trump is old enough to remember that. with president trump, in particular, given how low his approval is and how fragile his standing in the public, his best bet is that the economy is strong. so, i'm sure he's aware this is a key vulnerability for him. >> anita, the economy concerns come as the democrats are

tennessee democratic congressman steve cohn is joining us now and sits on that committee.h for joining us. >> good to be with you, wolf. >> so what are the next steps for you and your colleagues on the judiciary committee before that potential, historic vote? >> well, it's all kind of being played by ear, and right now intel's going to take the primary spot and during the break they'll be meeting and trying to get witnesses perform and very hearings and everything they can do and adam schiff is a great chairman and they hear classified material which some of this will be and that's important. when we come back certainly, if there are recommendations for impeachment through that article and/or others it will come to judiciary for final approval before it goes to the floor. how much control will be allowed or discretion as far as adding maybe obstruction of congress which is a blatant obstruction of congress by this administration and will probably continue to be through the intel hearing where that will be added or not, i don't know. >> do you think, congressman -- do you t

james mattis has a sense, hr mcmaster, gary cohn has a sense.e, i believe, though they sympathize with him in many ways, i think they're proud that they did some good things. i've got to doubt a lot that they think he should be president for another term. >> let's bring back the sharpie. we keep saying it's absurd. but you don't know what finally penetrates. one of the thought ice had, do you remember when president bush joked about no wmds at the white house correspondent dinner? and that just went over like a lead balloon. and it was the moment that it stuck to him like oh. nobody is joking about this. this is -- and all of a sudden that moment stuck to the president in ways that it hadn't even stuck before. does this have that? >> i had another fault from another bush administration. remember when george h.w. bush went to the supermarket and it seemed like he didn't know what the standard was? that stuck as emblematic of being out of touch. >> this is enough. >> pushing back so hard and making it a fight about us, it's hard to know if it's go

. >> who also has a reputation as a roy cohn type and will do anything for this president. whistle-blower complaint also raised questions about mike pence's role and has presented a big test for the president's most loyal soldier. the vice president has been not addressed questions since the release of the whistle-blower complaint since thursday morning, hasn't said a word. and in may of this year the president instructed the vice president to -- meanwhile wall street germ reports privately against releasing, the vice president raised concerns about the pres dependent but ultimately fell in line with trump. after the notes were released from the whistle-blower president trump seemingly threw the vice president under the bus noting pence also had communication with the ukraine president during this same time period of the complaint. >> actually that was the second conversation. i should you should ask for the first conversation also. i think you should ask for vp pence's conversation because he had a couple of conversations also. i could save you a lot of time. they're all p

remember when michael cohn said trump speaks in code? >> he doesn't give you questions. he doesn't give you orders. he speaks in a code and i understand the code because i've been around him for a decade. >> although you don't have to have been around it for a decade to understand the code here. now democratic leadership is indicating speaker pelosi wants to move on the ukraine janish u. i'm joined by danielle moody mills and mickey edwards, former republican congressman from oklahoma. i think there's -- i saw a lot of reaction today about the first report that they might just focus, laser like focus on this set of facts, move quickly with that. i saw arguments on both sides that they should keep it wide, look at emoluments and the president profiting. >> i think if you keep it wide you will distract the american public. i think the american people need something that is very clear and cut. this ukrainian incident is as clear and cut as you get. i remember -- i've been railing against nancy pelosi for the past six months. after the mueller report came out, i said, what a

he learned at the foot of roy cohn, who was one of the most despicable human beings ever to disgrace the earth. >> speaker pelosi still hasn't publicly endorsed impeachment proceedings. she says the situation with the whistle-blower and ukraine could precipitate what she called a whole new stage of investigation. do you need her onboard in order to move forward with impeachment, or is there willingness to do this with or without her blessing? >> we need her onboard to get the 218 votes to have the house officially impeach him, which would put the senate on the spot and cause several senators to have to show the american people are they with the constitution and the rule of law, or are they with donald trump? and for republican senators that are in difficult seats to defend -- and i would suspect that's arizona, that's maine, that's colorado, could even be texas -- it will be important to see whether they uphold their oath to the constitution or whether they go down as trumpers. >> congressman cohen, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> anderson, good to be with you. >>> we're going

have been made a scapegoat in this world in which trump trained at the knee of his con sillary roy cohnyou never back down, you fight back. makes this blunder. he doubles down on it. and where i think it's scary is not necessarily that life was, you know, in the balance, but the punching down. trump likes to punch down. he was hitting at the 1% during the primaries. here he's hitting -- or the administration is hitting gs-13 civil serve aantsservants. they're not the ones that can get fired. there are only three or four political appointees that serve at the will of the president and can be removed at will. the others are civil servants and there are protections for them. in is the most powerful man in the world pumpbing back at not a low level but a civil servant who should not be in his line of fire. that's disgraceful. >> that's scarier than -- >> i want to bring in peter beck. this is your reporting we're talking about here. correct me if i'm wrong, what i understood from your reporting, the concern wasn't that what birmingham had put out on twitter was necessarily inaccurate inform

some of the others, gary cohn, we don't know where they are landing yet.hey end up is going to be an interesting thing taylor: it will all -- interesting thing. vincent: it will also be interesting if they form up and create their own little boutique firm, which does happen from time to time. alix: and the boutique world is hot right now, so that wouldn't be super surprising. sonali: right now we have m&a coming down from all-time highs. alix: thank you very much. vincent cignarella will stick with me. we will have more on the market action, coming up next. cbs, "thestopped by late show with stephen colbert," grilled about the fact that he gets confused a lot. >> in the last few weeks, you've confused new hampshire for jfk and him ok will us -- and mlk were assassinated in the late 1970's, and assured us, "i'm going nuts." so are you going nuts? [laughter] mr. biden: the reason i came on the jimmy comeau show -- [laughter] -- [laughter] -- the jimmy kimmel show -- [laughter] alix: he said, "i would be delighted to sit down and compare my iq to yours. you c

cohn. all these people away at the top phase.ithout the next so what will he be doing? be teaching a class on how software ate finance. alix: fun. and it is like jamie dimon. eventually your talent is going to want to leave if you are not going to leave. david: let's get to the winkle bus twins. osss is it -- to the winklev twins. -- the compliance guy fcc compliance guy has gone to a war of words with the winklevos s twins. . sonali: you see a lot of younger traders moving over to crypto exchanges, but this is somebody who's been at morgan stanley for 13 years. so a cruise is another that's been involved. john mack, too. david: these want approval from the sec, right? sonali: by the way, the winklevoss twins have also said compliance can hit the price -- can help the price of bitcoin. if you look on our rich go, you can see on much they've appreciated from the price in their own network. alix: isn't that the longer-term story of if you are in college right now, you're not going to go be a banker? sonali: that's for sure. even those bankers who are leaving jobs on wall

the fact that this was based on the roy cohn school and the roger stone school, make a lie up.oe biden did not stop the investigation of the energy company to defend his son. he fired the investigator because he was not investigating the fuel company. the model is make up, distract, put the vision on something else . there is clearly evidence. why does the president have rudy giuliani acting as an ambassador? the constitution says any appointments must be confirmed by the senate. why doesn't he use his ambassador? because rudy giuliani is a whipping boy of the president. the fact they are picking on trump is absurd, we have to wait until we hear what the whistleblower has to say and what the report reveals. host: a lot of reaction to all of this yesterday on capitol hill if you were following us on the c-span networks, you were able to catch most of it. especially the action on the senate and house floor from c-span 2, here is senator mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader giving his reaction. [video clip] >> the facts disappointed them, but the impeachment parade marching

. >> cohn is on the board of ebay. and devin wenig the ceo out. >> this is unbelievable.n we speak to devin, he was, to me -- again, like when alcoa met with elliott, we're much more aligned they always say that to us, david. marathon, we're really aligned david, unless it is aligned like invisalign, i'm taking a harder line. >> a characteristic of many of the activists, particularly the successful ones, they're relentless that's something at&t will want to keep in mind as well. it is not just once. it is -- it goes on and on and here, jim, it seems as though the board was simply unhappy as best i can tell with the performance of the marketplace wasn't about actually -- wasn't actually about moving the process along faster in terms of potential sale that's moving along. it was really about the performance of marketplace and mr. wenig wasn't getting it done there. >> you look at shopify, the comps are hard to find when you look at shopify, when you look at etsy, you know, libra, this company was underperforming. devin wenig, to his credit, said, listen, i'm trying to turn

jesse cohn is very smart. >> very nice too >> very nice >> i don't mean that facetiously. >> back too bob pisani. >> rotation, baby. that's what's going on here. we have been waiting for this for a long time. and i think we're starting to see some early signs of it, too soon to make a trend here. but remember what has been weak, throughout most of the year, cyclical names we have seen banks weaker. energy generally weaker. industrials generally weaker holding up a little better today, banks, energy, industrials started positive, a little weaker. what has been strong throughout the year consumer staples, and semiconductors through a certain extent, different kinds of groups here. they're also a little weaker today. this is what i talk about the rotation a lot of questions yesterday that some momentum stocks had been weaker. that was the case. if you look here, some of the fin tech names, pay pal, mastercard, this is what happened yesterday, both down. some of the consumer names momentum names are price related. fin tech has been strong and consumer and defensive names have been strong

which could wind up being then used by william barr, who essentially is behaving as donald trump's roy cohn. what's to stop mr. barr from, to please donald trump, to go ahead and prosecuting former secretary clinton, even if it's for nothing? what's to stop william barr from following through on what the whistle-blower said that he and mr. giuliani were going to work together to find a way to dig up some dirt on the family member of another private citizen, the son of the former vice president. i mean, do you trust these people, mr. pompeo, mr. barr, not to use their power to attack private citizens? >> okay, so the statute of limitations on all of this email stuff is five years. so we're way passed it. so i don't think that the criminal pieces of this can be resuscitated. but i take the spirit of your question, which is the trump administration and this president corrodes on downward. and you know, really undermines the independence of those at the state department, at the justice department, in places like that. and certainly, there are tools that they can do to try to exact retribution,

you remember when the administration rolled out the first tax cuts that got past. 2016, 2017, gary cohnpresident's economic advisor then, came into the briefing room, gave us a one page document of their skeleton, blueprint, this is one thing we want to see happen, the direction we're going to go. they got through most of what they wanted through a republican controlled house and senate. we are a very long ways away from that possibility there, if it even gets to that point, neil. neil: blake, you're very jaded for someone so young. anything could happen. we don't know. reporter: i'll take the so young as a compliment i guess. you're right, as they say around here, we'll see what happens. anything is possible, right? neil: tag line, we'll see, we'll see. thank you very much, blake burman at the white house. well the president is hoping clearly to blake's report if you're offering middle class tax cuts you will tempt the democrats who are not a fan of his tax cuts which they argue are disproportionally targeted at the rich. let's get the read from democratic strategist david per steen, f

remember gary cohn rushing in, grabbing a document off the desk, hiding it.ember people trying to distract donald trump and taking things off of the call list because they knew that he would embarrass himself, hurt himself politically and by extension hurt the united states of america. >> it's all part of a pattern. >> this is part of an ongoing pattern where white house staffers where you'll read other books about donald trump's out of office how i won the war. it's what staffers have been doing. >> i said mr. president i won't do it, but they all stayed in there. >> mr. president, no, at that moment i knew i could go to bed with the republic safe and secure. >> thanks a lot. you never did that. >> we'll read those books after they don't do that and leave office. heidi, you know, yesterday i heard in the afternoon after nancy pelosi's speech, i heard people already gaming this out saying what the house was going to do, and then what the senate was going to do, and i understand that the republicans blindly follow donald trump. i understand all of that, but yo