then it brings us back to colin powell again. ribe a meeting at this point where armitage knew that he was the guy. powell knew that he was the guy. and should that investigation at that moment have stopped, ended right there? >> i think the right response, remembering again that the thing that started the investigation requested by the cia justice department was in fact this issue of who was responsible for the leak the cia employees name to the press. once they knew it was armitage and fitzgerald knew that before he started his investigation. the justice department knew it before fitzgerald came onboard that should have been the end. it want. it was drug out over a long period of time. dozens hauled before the grand jury. it created enormous problems for us. there was a point at which, i think october 7th, i believe of 2003 there was a cabinet meeting. as the press came in after the meeting to take pictures, normal photo-op. they asked the president questions about this issue. who was responsible for the leak. he said he didn't

colin powell knowing perfectly well that the leaker is his deputy armitage and he doesn't say a word. >> the biggest surprise is opposition to the surge. cheney has internal policy insurgency to get the president to go along and hear the arguments he wasn't getting internally from other people. state department opposed it. most of the joints chiefs opposed. it >> his white house staff opposed it. >> the vice president and ray odierno and jack keen and kagan at the american enterprise incity tute, it probably would haven't happened. >> he brought jack keen in to talk to the president because he thought he was the person who would be best able to make a forceful argument on behalf of the surge and thought that keen had a great effect doing that. >> cheney's book is chapter of history. they're not that upset about his account of the surge or negotiations with north korea, they should write an essay explaining their understanding of what happened. ultimately, as cheney admits that president bush signed on to secretary rice's policies on north carolinnorth korea. >> they were his personnel

this is condoleezza rice and colin powell. >> who about that?george will took a hefty shot saying all the pages and he never apologized? for matt loauer to say some say -- well, you are leaving out george wallace, joe mccarthy and houy long. debs that went to prison as a presidential candidate. it's lack of context. they hate cheney and they will throw the kitchen sink at him. this is a media strategy. dishy book with the news in it. it's provocative. if you are a conservative author, there is no better thing than to have a hostile interview on "today show." >> not sure that heads exploded. >> that wasn't hostile. >> only in the republican party. >> i want to move to president bush sit-down interview with "national geographic" that air an focused on his recollection of what happened on 9/11. how did the media treat him back then? >> by comparison with dick cheney, they were very kind to him now, as opposed to -- right after 9/11, of course, everybody was for bush. the fanstic moment when bush puts his arm around the construction worker. it was a

former secretary of state colin powell and condoleezza rice say it takes cheap shot at members of bush administration. we're back with dan herringer and joining us bret stevens. dan, you interviewed the vice president. another hardship assignment out of jackson hole recently. talk about the book. what was the surprising thing that you learned? >> it was very comfortable and the vice president was relax and peaceful. we talked about the policies and what came across as the most surprising is how by and large the people are in the situations about policies write or wrong. wmd, invading iraq, wiretaps and so forth. but what came through is how important the individuals are the personnel to decide where they can go.

of talk about your criticism in the book of colin powell. you say he seemed to feel it was okay to talk to outsiders about his problems with the president's iraq policy but he never brought it up specifically, in meetings with the president. as you know, secretary powell, general powell has unloaded on you. >> it is going to cause heads to explode, that's quite a visual. in fact, it is the kind of headline i would expect to come out of a gossip columnist. mr. cheney has had a long and distinguished career i hope that's what he will focus on not these cheap shots that he's taking at me and other members of the administration who served to the best of our ability for president bush. >> chris: you have the classic cheney smile. he says look i'm the guy who said to president bush, the pottery barn rule. you go into iraq, you own it. >> i think, if you look at the book, chris i know you've read it. the fact of the matter is, there's more in the book that

a cottage industry if not to much more than a cottage industry out of the what my former boss colin powell has called a terrorist industrial complex lots of people are making lots of money off of this so-called global war on terror you're saying that you had lots of doubts about building this case for war in iraq was it possible at some point. to stand up and say no we have doubts we're not writing this speech we're we're we're out of it we all did it key points in the preparation of colin powells presentation on some of those occasions george tenet and his deputy john mclaughlin said ok ok we'll it's really that out of the cia head of the cia and the director of central intelligence at the time. will throw that out and they threw it out the real essence of that presentation and they preserved they being george tenet and john mclaughlin and i think under some strong influence from the vice president's office they preserved and that was the mobile biological laboratories that was the active nuclear program as symbolized by the aluminum tubes and it was the existing chemical stocks and. nach

we're not writing this speech where we're out of it we all did key points in the preparation of colin powell presentation on some of those occasions george tenet and his deputy john mclaughlin said ok ok will this roll that out of the cia head of the cia and the director of central intelligence at the time. would throw that up and they threw it out the real essence of that presentation that they preserve they being george tenet and john mclaughlin and i think under some strong influence from the vice president's office they preserved and that was the mobile biological laboratories that was the active nuclear program as symbolized by the aluminum tubes and it was the existing chemical stocks and. actions hard connections between al qaida and baghdad those were the real faults of the in that briefing that george tenet and john mclaughlin the representatives of not just the u.s. intelligence community but israel finance britain jordan and a host of others who were feeding intelligence into us. that's what they said was sacrosanct they said that is the case that is what saddam hussein is doing o

about that i'm joined by colonel lawrence wilkerson whose service call in powell chief of staff colin powell secretary of state under george w. bush colonel wilkerson thank you so much for joining me thanks for having me more than six thousand american servicemen to die in the last decade of war spawned by the nine eleven attack. tragedy worth remembering and knowing no doubt but why in all those speeches delivered by american officials i never hear about hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians gadd in the wars waged by the united states and other countries like iraq as a collective entity we seem to think were exceptional and so exceptional that we don't have to think about other people in the world as i said that's a position you can maintain as long as you are as powerful as we were powerful was roman in its day post world war two but we're no longer that powerful in our powerful recedes even as we speak here today some of the people who were at the helm back then are now writing books saying everything they it was right including guantanamo being clothing everything else i'm talking

there is some praise for colin powell in the book. guest: that has some great disagreements, and they were over the most important issues that could come up -- war and peace. cheney has put this in his book. as i mentioned earlier, with people who have retired from the state department, they did not put all of the stuff in the book. i think we benefit from hearing about it. i appreciate that he put all of the disagreements, or at least many of them in his book, some in great detail. he pointed out those that he disagreed with what he thought he was right, and that included the president, and especially colin powell. what do you want in a memoir from a guy that's had the experience that dick cheney has in washington? if you wanted him to sugarcoated, or say they all got along well, i do not want that. i think we benefit from the disagreements that argued from jamie's viewpoints. i'm glad he wrote the rich dick cheney's viewpoint. i'm glad he wrote the book. -- dick cheney's viewpoint. i'm glad he wrote the book. host: george w. bush wa

our special guests, general colin powell and alma powell.s, we'll talk with the director and the marine featured in a gritty new documentary on the war in afghanistan, "hell and back again." we'll see you in 15 minutes right here on "andrea mitchell reports." >>> sidebar now, "saturday night live" pulling no punches. in its season premiere this weekend, the opening sketch was a parody of thursday's gop debate. every candidate took their lists including florida's straw poll. >> how does running a pizza chain equate to running a country? >> well, the one constant through all the years has been pizza. america has rolled by like an army of steamrollers, but pizza has marked the time. if you order it, pizza will come. there's no better model for the federal government than that of a pizza place. pizza doesn't come to your door unless you ask for it. but when you ask for it, pizza will be there in ten minutes. and if you vote for me, america, i promise you that i will do it. >> cain on the "today" show to talk about that big win in florida. he als

with the right approval colonel lawrence wilkerson was colin powell chief of staff when he was the secretaryof state under george w. bush he says some of the bush administration members deserve to be put on trial and he would be ready to testify george tenet told dick cheney what dick cheney morning here oh yes it's working mr vice president we're getting great information and we're stopping terrorist attacks there is order. the fact that there hasn't been a terrorist attack on the scale of nine eleven on the u.s. soil is often attributed to the harsh methods used in the last decade of war on terror but counterterrorism experts say the fact that terrorists are successfully recruiting thousands of new members these days does not add to security in the u.s. and the whole world for that matter we've also seen other extremist networks like we're. right in response to your running for office for. some way for the diversification of recruits and the other organization in pakistan u.s. drone strikes have killed thousands of civilians and net it only a handful of actual terrorists many of the victim

army colonel and former chief of staff to colin powell we're so happy to how do you hear so in the reports that i've been doing we kind of compare the deaths between iraq and afghanistan and the world trade center so sixty two hundred u.s. troops have died in iraq and afghanistan that's more than double they were killed in the world trade center is that an appropriate cost for in response to the attack of the twin towers that's why i said when george bush said we're over there so they are over here he was right but not in the way you mean why would al qaida come to the united states when there was a target rich environment in afghanistan i mean iraq and as you point out other places do so in that sense george w. bush was right but in the sense that you're asking the question how in the world can anybody say that it's cost effective. how can anybody pronounce of anything other than preposterously nonsensical to take an attack of men laudanum the watery which cost about five hundred thousand dollars and spin trillions in order to combat it how can you say that's cost effective how can you sa

and colin powell in the same dream with congolese to rise to the colin powells manager watching it is not really. going to do the obvious serious wow i would i was going through their growth the constitutional amendment this is the corporations are people and money isn't speech and you know i think at the same time i got to tell you i don't like this this is a sign you know i don't want you know i'm concerned that the koch brothers which is highly fired i because we have all those who you know i mean i think that this is really it's going to be a game that will see any. genuine steam and joe madison thank you all very big think you have. after the break clear is in session in my daily take i'll tell you why this nation desperately needs to bring back the corporate death penalty. drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who made a decision to break through it through he made who can you trust no one. who is you in view with the global machinery city where we had a state controlled capitalism is called sackfuls when nobody dares to ask we do our tea question more. we lear

make sure you and colin powell in the same agree with congolese arises of colin powell as management and watching it is not very very unpopular. and i'm going to do the obvious serious why don't we go i would i was going through that the there be a constitutional amendment this is the corporations are people and money isn't speech and you know what i have to say i am i going to tell you i don't like this because i don't like you know i'm concerned that the koch brothers which is high on my or high because we have all those who you know i mean i can say this as we do it's going to be gamed but we'll see any. jamie weinstein and joe madison thank you all think that you think you have. after the break or is in session in my daily take i'll tell you why this nation desperately needs to bring back the corporate death penalty. that drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to break through thirty three and me who can you trust no one. who is in view with the global machinery to see where are we heading state controlled capitalism is called satchels when no

his own war crimes in his book in my time his former the former chief of staff to lawrence to colin powell lawrence wilkerson for ladies the news that cheney was president basically pro practical purposes for the first term of the bush administration and he fears being tried as a war criminal these a verb made him from the number two guy you know under colin powell so question should we try to cheney now that he has not just admitted to brag about we're crimes we're crimes that we have executed both japanese and filipino prisoners and work respectively world war two and especially in a war for should we try him here and get no or should we have the worlds try him at the hague i think some americans would like to give him an award because when you're talking about collegiate mohamed an individual that masterminded nine eleven from a she was one or he was waterboarding after he was waterboarding because if you believe as you since i'm boarding the cia nice there's only between two and three people water boarded one did not lead shaikh muhammad and i don't think any american feels bad about s

fears being tried as a war criminal these a verb a term from the number two guy you know under colin powell so question should we try to cheney now that he has not just admitted to brag about war crimes were crimes that we have executed both japanese and filipino prisoners in prison respectively world war two and spanish-american war for should we try him here and get more or should we have the worlds try him at the hague i think some americans like to give him an award because when you're talking about mohammad an individual that masterminded nine eleven from a she was one or he was waterboard after he was waterboarding because if you believe as you say it's i'm going to miss again he says only between two and three people water boarded one do a lot leave shaikh muhammad and i don't think any american feels bad about collegiate mohammed being water boarded even more i do if it produces bad information and puts our soldiers at risk we have soldiers who have died as the result of information that came from waterboarding the cia has said that they have documented that dick cheney is not only

for the country we'll talk to colonel lawrence wilkerson about that his former chief of staff to colin powell and also jake hugo he's host of the young turks but first what do the mainstream media miss. so as the anniversary of nine eleven years on sunday we are seeing mainstream media coverage all over focused on the events of that tragic day and the memorials for the lives lost does the nation prepares to remember its worst attack ever from new york to the pentagon the pennsylvania things here in new york are moving along toward what will be a day to remember as they formally unveil the boreal location here two of these sites where the towers used to stand that ship naval ship was built from steel that was taken from the former towers in new york city what was formerly known as the freedom tower but it's now called one world trade center. and in honor of the tenth anniversary of being and war started in response to nine eleven the mainstream media decided now would be a good and appropriate time to drop a correspondent into afghanistan to show americans that oh yeah we're still there and lo

colin powell not normally given to hyperbole remembers he was an appealing man with a pockmarked facethe i's and arrogant swagger i immediately had the growing sense of was in the presence of people. war as james baker put it, noriega was a case of what we call bad chile. he enjoyed a productive relationship with u.s. intelligence agencies and served as an important conduit but yet to even as noriega helped the contras he shipped arms to marxist rebels and also known to be passing classified information to a cuba and libya and by 1987 noriega was dealing with our right terrorist organizations such as the plo and colombian groups and despite the pattern, the great quote to the secretary of state george sold schulz you cannot find him you can only lend him. but prior to the invasion noriega was constantly tracked by the members of the delta force aided by the national security council but the surveillance and intelligence and then with telephone to vacations directed a network of informants tracing the dictators movements. the last known location on december 19 when the u.s. invaded, sh

he had a close relationship with colin powell. they were in the pentagon in the george herbert walker bush days. i've not gotten to the last portion of the vice president's book yet, i'm looking forward to reading it. s , other than there are in a national security council, as you point out, there were difficulties teen -- teen schlessinger and kissinger, they represent different view points, perspectives. i of course worked with both during that period. as well as with secretary rice when she moved over there. i just haven't had a chance to read that portion of the book. >> greta: vice president chen nay lied for a fellowship with you? >> he did. >> greta: you didn't take him? >> i didn't. i was looking for a lawyer he was a budding academic at the time. that was probably in the first my fourth term in congress. he was -- just won a fellowship he was one of several who apply. i ended up taking in a lawyer. about four months later i hired him at the office of economic opportunity after i went into president nixon's cab get. >> gre

policy makers as colin powell noted reflected on of the hon for noriega "the president has to rally the country behind his policies. when that is more, it is tough to arouse public opinion against abstractions. but beyond that tendency to personalize conflict american sensitivity to non combat casualties and the individuals levying road states or terrorist networks have been magnified by the evolution of technology especially the growth of the international media and the infusion of weapons of mass destruction and dual-use technology you. the same time the ability of u.s. forces to target individuals will make such operations increasingly tempting. rather than make war on populations, there's a strong motivation to kill or capture leaders to threaten our national security. given the probability of future strategic man hunts it is important to draw lessons learned why some campaign succeed or fail or why it took 13 years to get a bin laden when the average manhunt was only 18 months. based upon 125 years i come to counter intuitive conclusions. although the forces and enjoy a technology

administration went into iraq and stirs up tensions between secretary of state powell, former general colin powell, and the vice president of the united states. listen to this piece of the interview. >> general powell, secretary of state powell, has said -- doesn't like a few things you said about him in here, you were someone that saw snippets or suggestions or possible evidence but unproven unsubstantiated things and to you they became facts. >> well, that's interesting coming from general powell. he is the one that went to the united nations after he worked for days going over the intelligence and made the presentation to the united nations that turned out to be all flawed intelligence. somebody -- sandbagged, i think it was general powell. >> interesting language there, david gergen. he does concede it was all flawed intelligence, all flawed intelligence and says that general powell one time he was considered a dick cheney friend. not so much now, got sandbagged. >> general powell did get sandbagged by people in the cia who misled him on some aspects of that and to this day -- i think probably

. >> interesting, colin powell and condi rice both took issue with things in the book, they were cheap shots. condi disputed she once tearfully apologized about a bush state of the union speech. >> when you're being booked for an hour on date line and two hours on hannity, you get the lion's share of the coverage and your critics get maybe one argue. >> that's how it worked. colin powell had a best selling book, part had to do with the expectation he was going to run for president. condi rice had her books out. this is how it works. i think president bush actually comes out looking the worst in cheney's account because cheney is quite aggressive about adding to the narrative that all the press wrote during the bush years that he was really pulling the strings, and i don't think that helps president bush's image. >> i'm stunned that every auto biography out of the bush administration makes the writer sound like genius, the one who knew what was going on the whole time. >> if only everyone else would have listened to me. >> what's interesting, the media coverage of this, it focuses on th

he talked about, as you said, the relationships with colin powell and condoleezza rice.hat surprised you about the sit-down with him? >> i don't know that it surprised me because i have interviewed him a lot over the last 30-some years. but, you know, at one point i say to him, i talked about the things that colin powell said back and these are cheap shots and do you want to take anything back and he goes, nope! that is classic dick cheney. and one thing that is also really great in the interview is we talk in very personal terms about his health problems. and, one of the things he reveals in the book. he was unconscious for five weeks, after he had the heart pump installed, five weeks, unconscious, he talks about that and the choice he'll have to make, whether or not to get a transplant and talks in very moving terms. not just about his vice presidency but four decades of service to the nation and how he hopes he'll be remembered. not to be missed. >> jamie: as i said in the beginning, and it was not script. i told people it is one they don't want to miss. thank you so

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american history when pressed on whether or not he's worried about being tried as a war criminal as colin powell's former chief of staff lawrence wilkerson alleged cheney laughed it off. policy former chief of staff lawrence wilkerson not enough you know this is also weighed in and he says that you're worried about being tried as a war criminal. that's news to me. i don't pay a lot of attention mr wilkerson i don't know him as far as i know i've never met the gentleman i know he speaks out from time to time and it strikes me as. a cheap shot. your head's up. that's right cheney labs were crimes he last saw people he laughs off line this nation into a war that is still raging today is that cheney's trying to outdo himself when it comes to how evil someone and that's a very very. after the break the battle lines are being drawn in america in my daily take i'll tell you about the dark days ahead for america as the all of guards begin their bombing raids on the new deal. drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to predict through through to convey who can you trust n

sanctioned over the slim disguise of keeping the homeland safe but this week former chief of staff to colin powell lawrence wilkerson told a.b.c. news that cheney was president for all practical purposes for the first term of the bush administration and for years being tried as a war criminal last night things got a little heated here in the big picture when i asked to conservative commentators whether we should try to cheney for war crimes here at gitmo or let the world try him in the hague. nine eleven happened because this guy refused to do anything for eight months how can you go out some minutes account is this is the america islamic it still is going to the america of those islamic extremists attacked america they're the ones that is in charge of the counterterrorism task force that never met until september of two thousand and eleven how do you do it spelling out. course i meant the change has forced didn't even meet once until september two thousand and one all the while our allies in england france israel and russia were warning us that something big was coming all the while richard clark

the old rule that colin powell called the pottery barn rule if you break it you bought it as we did in the u.s. did in iraq if there is some sort of an internal turmoil and the whole world is going to look to britain france nato and the united states to to do something about it and of course that will require ground forces people were asking him early on well who are these rebels that we're supporting and everyone just kind of looked at each other because no one really knew who they were and there's been many al qaeda members come from eastern libya where the rebels originated we don't know what will take place he could offer he was bad but he had made his peace with the west given up his nuclear program that is also a bad. example for iran and north korea when they see countries like iraq under saddam hussein libya under when they had these nations have given up their nuclear programs they get invaded or attacked what does that tell iran or north korea tells them that they must build the weapons faster. the e.u. is to place an embargo on syrian oil imports later on friday which will d