commerce department commerce department that handles spectrum issues that there could be if you will conflict of interest between federal spectrum users and what the administration and the fcc want. why is it that the gao -- should do it? >> guest: well, it is an accounting office that doesn't have any preconceived conclusions, and i think that is an important one. the president -- we support universal wifi at. that is fine but please understand where they talk about it as rural connectivity, i am sorry, there is not a spectrum shortage in rural oregon where i am from. they never will be. the problem is an urban problem. and so we are just simply saying as he fixed the urban problem, don't damage the broadcast signal for rural places, which in some congressional districts, about 40% of the people depend on over the air television and don't have satellite or cable. and remember when you hear people say it is only 10%, who are those 10%? they tend to be the economically disadvantaged, and in one in three spanish households depends exclusively on over the air. so when you start throwing

one for the federal trade commission and the other in the commerce department. this is a little less than two hours. [inaudible conversations] >> good afternoon. my name is tom leonard, president of the technology policy institute and it's my pleasure to welcome you all here today for our even gone online privacy after the department of commerce and federal trade commission reports. online privacy is once again emerging as one of the most important policy issues. the two agencies with principal responsibilities in this area, the department of commerce and federal trade commission have recently released major reports that have been more than a year in the works, legislation has been introduced and more is on the way. privacy is a critical issue for the overall health of the internet. individuals are justifiably concerned that their information doesn't fall into the wrong hands or otherwise get misused but information is also necessary to attract the advertising dollars that pay for the content that consumers in july and have come to expect on the internet for mor

these are innovations that we, the broadcasting, promised the commerce committee that i stat on that -- that i sat on they could do. they spent billions of dollars doing it, and now they're saying, well, but we're going to repacquiao. if you're -- repack you. if you're repackaged with inferior channels, you lose those innovations. you lose multicasting, you lose mobile. you lose what was promised. and broadcasters detrimentally relied on the word of of congress when they gave back a third of their spectrum in order to be able to develop out their segment. >> host: so what do members of congress that your members have spoken to feel about this proposition? >> guest: i think without respect of republican or democratic registration they're interested in keeping voluntary voluntary. so in exchange for an option -- which we support voluntary. that's freedom. let's be very, very careful of any repackaging plan that could take away what broadcasters are providing to the american people. >> host: and in a recent hearing at the energy and commerce committee, longtime energy and commerce chair

with commerce.and i was trying to make the point that the idea of compelling someone -- if the government had decided to call this a tax and use the taxing mechanism, yes, it could tax everybody in the united states for medical cost. there's no question about that, but the administration insisted it wasn't a tax and that language will come back to the arguments, and instead they did it this other way. sometimes when you do something then you can do lawfully into it some other way for political purposes because you don't want the american public to think they are getting the tax you are going to go around it by forcing people to purchase something that they may not need, many people don't need to buy insurance. and it's not like the insurance that you require year when there's a condition to getting the driver's license and getting out and driving a car on the road you're out there. i make the argument like i did that you have coming back to with respect to the electric car or the gums. there is some

who is the chamber of commerce's new best friend the supreme court a new study coauthored by court of appeals judge richard posner reveals that the chamber of commerce has won a lot of cases these days in front of the highest court in the land the last supreme court term the chamber of commerce which filed from the corporates in nearly every case involving business interests won thirteen out of sixteen cases thirteen out of sixty this new study corroborates other data showing that today every single justice is more likely to side with the chamber than the justice who held their c. twenty five years ago a pretty good percentage energy justice john roberts who i might add was a bush appointee and made two million bucks a year as a corporate attorney before joining the court so why the sudden uptick in pro-business rulings on the supreme court overall there sure are some answers in no hisor reporter and water at think progress in welcome thank you good to be here tom so i have a name that i even know has a great. i'm curious what if first of all the entire quarter or just the conservativ

these are innovations that broadcasting promised the commerce committee they could do. they spent billions of dollars doing it. now they're saying they're going to repackage. if you are repackaged into an inferior band, you lose mobile and what was promised. broadcasters detrimentally allied -- relied on the word of congress when they gave back 1 of the spectrum. >> what do your members feel about the proposition? >> without respect to republican or democratic registration, they are interested in keeping voluntary voluntary. in exchange for an auction, let's be very careful of any repackaging plan that could take away what broadcasters are providing to the american people. >> in a recent hearing, the longtime chairman dingell ask julius genachowski about the auction process. >> you are going to have a voluntary spectrum auction. how is it going to be voluntary if there is pressure placed on the holders of the spectrum by the commission? >> the options would rely on market incentives. it would allow the market to set a price for existing owners of licenses to make the ch

it's regulated indirectly and partially, and that's true of the commerce clause alone and commerce clause is by a necessary and proper clause. my favorite example mandating the floodplain residents in houses and floodplains go out and purchase flood insurance. congress required flood insurance as a condition of securing and maintaining a mortgage from a federally regulated financial institutions which means what, ladies and gentlemen. a bunch of folks did not get it. especially the ones who got the house before the law was enacted. who did not get it from a federally chartered and financial institution and it ain't just that all of numerous statutes including the federal minimum wage laws, security law, child labor law -- all are tied to interstate commerce and activities none of the individual mandates. it would have been so easy so simple and direct if we just mandate this stuff. obviously those people who did those other statutes had no idea what they're doing. now, last but not least sort of on the merit side of my discussion, if the government's arguments about the constitutionality

so, the first panel is the federal trade commission and the department of commerce. the second panel we'll hear from consumer advocates, technology experts, and members of the business community. their insights are valuable and very much appreciated. i don't know if everyone knows the polling data, but recently, common sense media published results that said 85% of parents say they are more concerned about online privacy than five years ago. 75% of parents don't think social networks sites do a good job of protecting their children's online privacy. 91% of parents think search engines and social networks sites should not be able to share kids' physical location with other companies until parents give authorization, so these are just a few of the issues we'll hear about today and that as the senate commerce committee and the senate as a whole and the congress as a whole moves through this, congress will try to work through these issues as best we can. again, senator hutchinson is on her way. we'll recognize her for opening statement, but until she's here, mr. kerry, d

the chances are that republicans are going to go after something that their love the chamber of commerce may have been involved in i don't expect anybody will i mean you have to remember that the justice department supposedly contacted bank of america and told them to hire hundreds and millions to act as a buffer between them and these defense contractors and that defense content that justice department is run by eric holder so it probably is just a republican thing it's probably an institutional player thing everybody's battling for the chambers love in two thousand and twelve and i don't really think that anybody's going to be investigating but i'm glad that somebody is calling for any right now i think that's a good thing that we finally are hearing some calls for an investigation find it a little odd though that would only cause you know hearing calls for an investigation when it comes to the chamber of commerce clause and yet not the bank of america apply or they are going after supporters of wiki leaks or perhaps even journalists people like glenn greenwald that were individually t

the senate commerce committee hosted this 90 minute hearing.[inaudible conversations] >> hilboldt conversations [inaudible conversations] >> i will go ahead and call this to order. i want to thank everyone for being here, and we have several witnesses today, and we are going to have agreed hearing. and i want to thank everyone -- first went to thank the staff for pulling this hearing together. they have pulled together an excellent panel, two panels of witnesses. one thing senator kerry and i were talking about is the senate is supposed to vote at ten thanks 30 and based on the senate time we don't know if that means 10:30, 10:45 or 11:00. so at some point, we have to swap the gavel back and forth and race and vote and come back, though we will try to keep hearing going during that time. also, i know senator kerry has really been a leader on this type of legislation, looking at privacy concerns and has been working on a bill, and so we would like to hear from him in just a few minutes on that. what i thought i would do is get a very brief state

what is the strength of the assumptions of the commerce report and the ftc report? it was an opportunity to do detailed canvassing to assemble what we know about practices of a comprehensive way of the a future academic that this canvassing would have been a good way to put the report together. that opportunity was not take in here. it replies -- relies heavily not only observation of our own experience going back through 1970 the fair credit reporting act but also workshops upper informative. a key question that arises is with respect to building building, exactly what do these do we expect to take a step by step? how much will this cost? is worth bearing but the report does not say at a great deal about what we think the specific steps may be in the costs associated and as best we know them now on the part of consumers, what do they want? with respect to what data? there is a body of information about this but in neither report to ic that body of reformation brought to bear 1/8 precise way and what is the feasibility of different techniques for the do not track pr

with commerce.and i was trying to make the point that the idea of compelling someone -- if the government had decided to call this a tax and use the taxing mechanism, yes, it could tax everybody in the united states for medical cost. there's no question about that, but the administration insisted it wasn't a tax and that language will come back to the arguments, and instead they did it this other way. sometimes when you do something then you can do lawfully into it some other way for political purposes because you don't want the american public to think they are getting the tax you are going to go around it by forcing people to purchase something that they may not need, many people don't need to buy insurance. and it's not like the insurance that you require year when there's a condition to getting the driver's license and getting out and driving a car on the road you're out there. i make the argument like i did that you have coming back to with respect to the electric car or the gums. there is some

peter is supervisor and senior adviser of the traffic and transport division at the chamber of commerce, amsterdam. they are partners with businesses and public authorities to develop a robust and economically healthy region. they supervise a team of professionals in the port industries, barge, rail, and road transport. sounds like mta. the chamber of commerce amsterdam is known as an element of innovative approach to connectivity and mobility. he is strong and establishing unique partnership to create groundbreaking solutions. he started a task force formability management for employers and employees to reduce car trafficked by 10%. -- he started a task force for mobility management for employers and employees to reduce traffic by 10%. >> i will give you the perspective of the business community in amsterdam. athis is the region of amsterda. this is the inner city of amsterdam, and the rest of the city are the suburbs. the whole city, there are 2.2 million people, but the real city of amsterdam, there are less than 800,000, which i think is about the same as san francisco. i will also

two years ago, i asked gary to continue this work as commerce secretary. i wanted him to advocate for america's businesses and america's exports all around the world, to make progress on our relationship with china and use the management skills he developed as governor to reform a complex and sprawling agency. he has done all that and more. he has been a point person for my national export initiative and his department led a historic number of trade missions that promoted american businesses and jobs. he has overseen an increase in american exports and particularly exports to china, a country we recently signed trade deals that will support 235,000 american jobs. as commerce secretary, gary oversaw a census process that ended on time and under budget, returning $2 billion to american taxpayers. he has earned the trust of business leaders across america, by listening to their concerns, make it easier for them to export their goods abroad and dramatically reducing the time it takes to get a patent. when he is in beijing, american companies will count on him

. >> why didn't it just consider it outside the commerce clause? that had a lot of lure. what is the distinction between saying as they said then, court, the tba regulates electricity rates in memphis, and that's beyond the power of congress to enact. in this case, because of the 10th amendment and a lot of other things, and this seems the same, beyond the power of congress to enact. >> through today's analytical model, today's jurisprudence, that's how the case would be proved. >> how do we know that? i'm not doubting you, i just want to know. >> the sentence that you in fact read discussing whether the presence or absence of the state objection mattered, the court said as we see there's no objection from the state and if this were no so the appellant's state and officers have no standing to raise any objection under the amendment. >> let's assume this hypothetical. just that case, tba, state, the federal government sets the price, and someone's accused of violating that price. can that defendant come in and say tba, that's unconstitutional because prices have to be set

one of those powers that congress has is the power to regulate commerce. so this issue that we're talking about now, really the crux of it is, does congress in this case, does congress if it has the power to regulate commerce and economic activity which it clearly does, doesn't have the power to regulate economic inactivity? someone's decision not to buy health insurance, someone to stay out of the marketplace. the challengers of this law, particularly in florida, all of the other cases make the argument that no, congress can't regulate that passive economic inactivity, the supreme court has never ruled on the case exactly like this. that's what you hear people saying its opponents of this law saying if congress can make us buy health insurance, they can make us buy broccoli. and what neera is saying and what the government argues is that this is different. this is not really a decision that people are making not to participate in the economy, to sit this out, to not spend money on health insurance because at the end of the day that's really not a real dec

of commerce's department of public education. now, mr. speaker, what we're sang is you can't do that anymore. this is one of the steps that we have to take in order to straighten out this budgeting process. our country does not have the money to spend on this. n.p.r. does not need the money. they will not be able to get these grants. we will save those dollars. the american taxpayer has said, get your fiscal house in order. this is a step in that process. i know they don't like it, but you know what, this is something we can do. this is something we will do. this is something the american people want to make certain that we do so that we get this nation back on a firm, fiscal and sound fiscal policy. the y has come that the out-of-control federal spending has to stop. a good place to start is by taking n.p.r. out of the taxpayer pocket, and i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman reserves the balance of her time. the gentlelady from california. ms. eshoo: mr. speaker, i'd like to yield one minut

we are working with the commerce department on that.but we also think there is value in having the ability to opt out of targeted advising or just sensitive information, like medical searches or financial information. >> with respect to "the wall street journal" series on what they know, i assume you followed that. what did you draw from that? >> general things and a specific things. generally, what came out of that -- this series of stories last summer, and at many follow-ups -- one is that some companies had a very good privacy practices, but many do not, and it resulted in an enormous amount of information being collected about consumers, and not on the sites they are on, but cookies, software embedded. it was a motivation to stepped- up enforcement efforts and write privacy reports. specifically, we were having the debate on whether to propose the "do not track" mechanism. is it technologically feasible? one of the stories, as you know, is about microsoft developing this and the balancing act between the privacy advocates and engine

they can't stop commerce because that is a ship that is available to transfer their cargo. we have seen those particular ships that are more vulnerable, in the best interest whether it is look out or that sort of thing but they are also encouraged to report to the task forces that are operating to provide extra awareness as to the higher risk vessels in that part of the exchange of information between commercial shipping and what is operating there. >> these guys are not the most educated people in the world. in the last year, they attacked the uss ashland and the uss newman. they wake up in the morning and go after ships and they're looking for a target of opportunity. it is not that they have a particular ship in mind. just what comes by when they see something. >> thanks to some of these people. >> that is reflective of what we saw based on the jones star. young 20s, narcotic effect, played into the decisionmaking cycle in terms of threat assessments and criminals, we thought we would see on the target site. the use of lack of education, there was an initial bravado that

yesterday i met with the national security staff and we are meeting with state department justice of commerce, transportation, defense, department of homeland security, looking at a government approach of what other tools we can use to attack this very pernicious threats. we look at ransom payments. you heard average payments of $4.5 million. these a typically cash payments. a very difficult challenge to track down where did the money go. typically having worked a number of counterdrug cases brought by coast guard career we have been very successful tracking down money payments, using that to get to the head of the hydrate if you will as the threat continues to expand. what we have stood up is the contract group from piracy of the coast of somalia and now

regulatory reform, government changes, budgeting changes, which is what a lot of the chambers of commerce and other business groups that came to governor brown's support said they would like to see as well. except they said, we're going to support this on the condition you get to that next rather than right now. >> let me ask you about the chamber of commerce support. that was a big deal for the governor to get that. >> they didn't endorse it. >> but they said they aren't going to fight it which is important because they have a lot of money to fight measures. is that having any sway with the republicans? we have always heard republicans, no taxes, we want reforms, but do they want to move or just get in to a partisan fight with the democrats? >> the thinking is that having all of the business groups, not just chambers of commerce like san francisco and oakland and los angeles come to the support of the plan, but also groups like the bay area council and the silicone valley leadership group. today there were two dozen agricultural groups, though not the farm bureau, threw their support beh

two years ago, i asked him to continue this work as commerce secretary. i wanted him to advocate for america's businesses and american exports all around the world. to make progress with our relationship in john and use the management skills he developed as governor to reform a complex and sprawling agency. he has done all of that and more. he has been a point person for my national export initiative. last year, his department led a historic number of trade missions that helped promote american businesses and support american jobs. he has ever seen an increase in american exports and, particularly, exports to china, a country we recently signed trade deals with that will support 235,000 american jobs. as commerce secretary, gary oversaw the census process that ended on time and under budget, returning to billion dollars to american taxpayers. he has -- returning to billion dollars -- returning from billion to american taxpayers. in beijing, american countries -- american companies will be able to count on him. our relationship with china is one of the mos

chamber of commerce the world's largest big business lobby. ramped up their political spending campaign and face a lot of criticism from bloggers like myself from different media outlets they started seeing these attacks and reaching out to a set of private security firms palance here h.b. gary federal and barrack and they asked them to come up with a group proposal to go after their perceived critics the proposals outlined a number of strategies but basically they were looking to hack and sabotage. their their adversaries and in february of this year because of unrelated. hacking from a group called anonymous these e-mails from one of the security firms federal became public and we found out about this plot. and that brings us to today where there hasn't been a great amount of media attention but now congressional democrats are demanding an investigation. is. this is this seems like the kind of thing the e.u. if you try to catch terrorists that's exactly. the job of these firms you know palin's here basically did a demonstration for the chamb

chamber of commerce to work with these firms doing for the u.s. government one democratic congressman votes enough and it is the right to bear arms . should it mean anyone should be able to carry a gun at any time later in the show i would beat this issue with the founder and c.e.o. of the guardian angels curtis lee well the first. turn in armed services committee hearing last week democratic congressman hank johnson pressed defense department leaders and intelligence officers about their relationship with two private security firms take a look. go through miller would you. be so kind as to provide my office with. deal d. contracts with talented technologies eric o. technology and h.p. perry barrel. and some as possible. sure i will i will. do everything possible to do so what i need what i'll need to do is frankly talk to our general counsel and make sure that the provision of that type of information is allowed contractually. and in any case what we've actually as quickly as possible. it's alleged that these two firms assisted the chamber of com

these are from your colleagues on the energy and commerce committee. henry waxman, quote -- regarding this week's net neutrality hearing. republicans couldn't get a single major broadband provider to testify in support of their resolution. and anna eshoo, who's a ranking member on your subcommittee, to upset the apple cart would be fooling around with something we shouldn't be fooling around with. >> guest: okay. so you want me to take chairman waxman's comments first probably. look, when it comes to the chairman's comments, we, we are -- you're in a situation -- i was a licensee, broadcast owner for 23 years -- 22 years. if commission came to me and said either do this pad thing or this less bad thing, you're probably going to try and work out the less bad thing. and i think that's what you would find if you parse through the statements from at&t and others, that they felt like they were in a box. they have their regulator, other deals pending, commission says we think we have this authority, we're going to do title i light regulation or, by the way,

thousands of dedicated public servants work every day to make sure we have functioning roads for commerce, great parts for our families, and strong safety nets for when we get sick or become unemployed. and they make sure that we do this using the taxpayers' money wisely. the individual and teams that we are honoring this evening are the backbone of our local government. our businesses, our families, and yes, our fund could not operate without the strong, healthy, and responsive government that these leaders provide. that is why we are here tonight to celebrate, and that is why u.s. bank is so proud to be associated with this event. now, it is my pleasure to introduce a person who personifies these awards and demonstrates what good government is all about. ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the mayor of san francisco, mr. edwin lee. [applause] mayor lee: good evening. as you know, i usually do not read speeches, so i'm just going to talk of the top of my head, but also, really, from my heart. for 21 years, working in san francisco government, i have seen a lot of departments, worked in

with commerce.the point that the idea of compelling someone -- if the government had decided to call this a tax and use the taxing mechanism, yes, it could tax everybody in the united states for medical cost. there's no question about that, but the administration insisted it wasn't a tax and that language will come back to the arguments, and instead they did it this other way. sometimes when you do something then you can do lawfully into it some other way for political purposes because you don't want the american public to think they are getting the tax you are going to go around it by forcing people to purchase something that they may not need, many people don't need to buy insurance. and it's not like the insurance that you require year when there's a condition to getting the driver's license and getting out and driving a car on the road you're out there. i make the argument like i did that you have coming back to with respect to the electric car or the gums. there is some limit on what congress c

it announced the purchase of gsi commerce in a deal valued at about 2 1/2 billion dollars. gsi is based in pennsylvania. it operates websites and interactive marketing services for close to 200 retailers including companies such as toys "r" us. it also provides packing and shipping services. >>> new signs of economic recovery had the markets trading positive for most of the session but the gains evaporated by the end of the day. dow closed lower by 22 points, nasdaq dropped by 12. >>> crisis in japan, traces of plutonium have now been found in the soil outside the crippled pharmaceutical zoom -- fukushima nuclear plant. new pools of radioactive water leaking from that complex and radioactive iodine has been found offshore at a level 1100 times more than normal. >>> the recent round of storms here at home result in numerous landslides across the area. today we got a look at a new map that found the hot spots and found out what puts home at risk. >> reporter: before construction began this multimillion-dollar home strict building codes required a soil engineer to evaluate the

two years ago i asked gary to continue this as commerce secretary. i wanted him to advocate for america's businesses and american exports all around the world. make progress on our relationship with china and use the management skills he developed as governor to reform a complex and all-star game agency. he has done all that and more. he's led a number of trade missions to support american jobs. he's overseen an increase in american exports and particularly exports to china . a country we recently signed trade deals with that will support 235,000 american jobs. he oversaw a budget returning $2 billion to american taxpayers. he made it easier to export dramatically reducing the time it takes to get a patent. when he's in beijing i know that american companies will count on him to represent their interests in front of china's top leaders. as one of the fastest growing economies, our relationship is critical of the 21st century. we worked hard to build a relationship that serves our national interests, addressing global security issues and expanding opp

chamber of commerce says would be a boost to jobs. brian. >> jose diaz-balart from our sister network telemundo on capitol hill. >>> high level talks are one thing, but on the ground at the u.s./mexican border, it's grinding, it's relentless war between u.s. agents and mexican drug smugglers. . nbc's mark potter reports from the border, rio grande city, texas, on the never-ending war next door. >> reporter: sundown on the rio grande, and a truckload of mexican drug traffickers is in retreat after one of their vehicles loaded with marijuana is caught by the u.s. border patrol on the american side of the river. >> look at those guys right there. >> reporter: to avoid arrest, the vehicle's driver swam to the mexican river bank where the rest of the smuggling team disappears to try again another day. >> all those guys in the truck. >> all those guys were the scouts, the mules, the people they send across to see if we're in the area. >> reporter: in the last five months alone, border patrol agents in southeast texas have seized nearly 400,

the chamber of commerce is fully in support of the payroll expense tax exclusion. you really are -- [bell rings] i was going to say more. advocating for small businesses and midsize businesses, the kind of companies that had egan had shown up for. i'm representing 1500 member companies, which of chocolate to about 1/3 of the business community, in terms of number of employees. we have strong support for the job incentive because we really feel like it is the newcomers. pedestrian activity, safety, in our once bustling district. as we mentioned before, in an area where the city vacancy rate is at an all-time high. we have recently conducted a citywide hole where sen for assistance were asked about the support for this particular measure, and 70% of voters in san francisco as recently as last month said they supported a payroll tax exemption for new hires and only 19% oppose. the 41,000 unemployed san franciscans -- let's put them back to work. we need creative measures to bring companies in to get a good start with in san francisco, and we appreciate the leadership

to oversee as city administrator, working with our liveable streets and our chinatown chamber of commerce, our chinatown merchants association -- they are all very excited, and we will be looking at the way we have been using grant avenue, all the way through north beach, from california, across broadway, so we will have more details about that, but we do not have a date announced for that. we are working out the details, and we will listen carefully to all of the needs and concerns of our merchants along the area, residents, to make sure it is successful. the nice part of sunday streets -- it is not just the physical closing of the streets. it is really the way we work with all elements of our community to make sure we bring out things that are great for kids, for families, and the merchants will have an opportunity to read prioritize the way they welcome their traditional visitors and buyers. we are not selling this as another street fair, if you will. it is very different. its emphasis will be on the use of the streets and the use of our alleyways, particularly in chinatown, and how th

. >> good afternoon, jim lazarus, san francisco chamber of commerce. obviously, no one supports ways, materials not used, extra materials into the waste stream, but the exaggeration we have heard today is really to the extreme. to talk about 1.6 million folks to 800,000 residents, you forget a large part of your district supervisors in downtown san francisco with half a million other people working and business locations with phones and phone books. you are also for getting multiple -- there is, because it is a free first amendment right -- we are seeing multiple books distributed by at&t, the valley yellow pages, hispanic, asian, the gay and lesbian community is that obviously tried that count up. what we have not heard today is how this will make the playing field level for small businesses and all businesses in san francisco by basically cutting the legs out from under the print advertising option in favor of the internet. all you have to do is go to google and see who is paying for the top of that google search. it is not your small businesses. the

i'm the president of the board of green chamber of commerce. we're based here in san francisco. and as the president of this association with over 400 businesses, i'll offer three reasons why the business community supports this initiative. first of all, this ordinance brings to light a real disparity between what you pay for and what you get with the yellow pages. an ad in the phone book would be distributed to about a million recipients and if every single business and person actually collected the book, it's estimated only 38% or about 370,000 people and businesses actually use the yellow pages. so with the current model i'm paying for exposure to almost 1 million recipients but only getting exposure to 370,000. so if by distributing the books in quantities that were more accurately representing the real population of phone book usersers, this would enforce more honesty in the real estate being paid for. secondly, the cost benefits of this ordinance would be done without negative impact on business's ability to advertise. the yellow page is one of the least targeted forms of

of commerce's department of public education. now, mr. speaker, what we're saying is you can't do that anymore. this is one of the steps that we have to take in order to straighten out this budgeting process. our country does not have the money to spend on this. n.p.r. does not need the money. they will not be able to get these grants. we will save those dollars. the american taxpayer has said, get your fiscal house in order. this is a step in that process. i know they don't like it, but you know what, this is something we can do. this is something we will do. this is something the american people want to make certain that we do so that we get this nation back on a firm, fiscal and sound fiscal policy. the day has come that the out-of-control federal spending has to stop. a good place to start is by taking n.p.r. out of the taxpayer pocket, and i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman reserves the balance of her time. the gentlelady from california. ms. eshoo: mr. speaker, i'd like to yield one m