>> i think they're going to work with congre b. congress hn trying to solve this problem since the financial crisis ten years ago. it's t last major problem since the crisis that has not been resolved, so it's a very thorny, particularly difficult issue. congress needs to be involved and i think the administration at the end of the day will get them involved and try to figure out how to privatize fannie and freddie in a way to preserve all the things they do, provide mortgage credit, low interest rates and t underserved communities but also do it in a way that gets taxpayers out of shouldering the risks involved in that. okay, that's what i'ms about. ey have been in conservatorship for a decade now. everybody is trying to come up with a solution even you and a few other economists a few years to came up with a solution combine fannie and freddie into a single entive. ever understood what the hesitation is to get this thing off the iground. simply the worry of how much the government and taxpayers will be on the hoo should they need

that hasn't even been ratified by congres b yet the president is declaring it the way to pay for the wall? manu: yeah and that has absolutely no relevance to the way he pitched ts during the campaign and in the early days of his presidency. he said over and over again,il mexico pay for it. so even if the usmca, the mexico trade deal, were ratified, it wouldn't be legitimate for him to say that whatever economic benefit derived from that trade deal would be used to build the wall. it's a specious argumtht. the curious thing that happened this week was we b learneause he had an off-the-record session with network anchors that leaked out, that, in fact, the president himself has deep misgiving aboum theketing of his campaign. he didn't really want to do the televised address. he said the trip to texas was a photo-op and didn't understand the value ofndt he was pushed into it by his communications staff. and to me, thi suggests something else, which is that at some level i'm not sure the president believed he needed to market this. i think he saw a it something that was the president's p

congre donna edwards, a matthecontinetti. welcom "meet the p >> announcer: from nbc news in washin the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >>> good sunday morning. will b first "meet the pr of the new ear. govern shutdown is now in its 16th day and, well, second year. tying it for the third longest in history and the problems f everyo piling up. litera though national parks are open, they are not staff means a lot of places are beginning to look like this. in addition, the federal food stamp proghem which services 38 million low income americans faces severe cuts. and so$140 billion in tax refunds, your mone frozen or delayed. democrats th willin to provide funding, the goalem to be deny president trump a victory and the wall has become a symbol. it's no longer just about keepin illegal immigrants out, it's about keeping his base in. senato lindsey graham made that point clear on fox earlier this >> if in now, that's the end of 2019 in terms of him being an effective president. that's probably the end of his presid >> we have critical players from all corners of this drama, presid trump's acting chief of staff cho the wh house ng for majorileader, and