it can go turn into a seemingly like a war zone in just a matter of minutes to buildings in croydon going up in flames so it's very hard to stay on top of things like that and as for the rioters there staying ahead of the police is believed by using private group messaging the police are making arrests they've made at the least two hundred fifteen arrests today and they have they are having to pass in more offices and bring them in over three hundred of them from twelve other forces around the country to try and deal with the situation that's the scale of it is i think at the moment the police are simply outnumbered by the by the rioters. andrew gilligan from the british newspaper the daily telegraph was caught up in the middle. i was i was mugged i was pulled off my bike and my bike was stolen by a gang of youths. on the way to the studio about forty five minutes ago i spent most of the day in tottenham which is where it all kicked off interviewing people who had lost their homes as a result of these riots and they are furious with the writers they say that what happened to mark duggan t

it can go turn into a seemingly like a war zone in just a matter of minutes with buildings in croydon going up in flames so it's very hard to stay on top of things like that. and as for the rioters they're staying ahead of the police is believed by using private messaging on their blackberry phones unlike twitter which is public this is all private so they're staying ahead of the police like that and the police say that they. are finding it very hard to cover all these situations at the same time because there's places all over london is a very wide area this affecting our platform which is way in the southwest of london the hackney in the northeast has really areas all over the city the affected so it appears that social media is you saying things like blackberries there could be behind the way this is being coordinated. that's believed to be the case here is not really social media it's not in the public sphere it's more. coordinating people privately but using and using telecommunications and i think the police are trying trying to cooperate with the blank to try and aid the situat

parts of croydon on fire and we're hearing the balance is already over both also spreads right. there are all sorts of people on the streets but it is loads to be big perpetrated by ethnic minorities it has to be said about rest this is that night number three and this is just the worst violence that we've seen so far it hasn't been confined to the hours of darkness it started about three o'clock this afternoon on to have escalated from that as i say has been going on for three nights and today i mean business may be parts of london that had to call been affected and here's my report from some of. london's burning rioters and police take over the capital for the third night as. yet more areas of london. in a spiraling cycle of violence on monday night the violent showed few signs of abating in fact it spread further around the city say in east london in hackney where writers set fire to cars and tried to break into more shops meanwhile terrified residents of london could do nothing but no calling police streets and treat whole areas as crime scenes with local communities trying

there has been violence in brixton and it's also you reading out now to other parts of the country croydon which is probably about thirty miles away from lugging parts of florida on fire and we're hearing that the violence is already over both also spread right to forming that there are all sorts of people on the streets here but it is being perpetrated by ethnic minorities it has to be said about arrests and this is certainly the worst violence that we've seen so far it hasn't been confined to the hours of darkness this as i say has been going on for three nights in business make the parts of london that had soup are being affected and here's my report from. london's burning rioters and police take over the capital for a third night as yet more areas of london in a spiraling cycle of violence on monday night the violent shoot a few signs of abating in fact it spread further around the city said here in east london in hackney where rioters set fire to cars and tried to break into more shops meanwhile terrified residents of london could do nothing but no call to police streets and treat who

ackerman croydon and all the other places where this order has broken out tonight has absolutely nothing to do with the police shooting of a man ten miles away and it's not anger at all i think it's pure criminality and people are taking advantage of what they see is a lawless situation and overstretched police forces to do their worst and help themselves to free goods little is it spreads very quickly this kind of thing we've seen it in fact in the arab world we've seen it social media spreading unrest in the arab world probably for the good but here it's spreading exactly the same way arguably for the bad. lots of kids on blackberries and instant messaging and twitter and all the rest of it spreading word about where the next rock is going to be and they might be able to move faster than the police i think perhaps i mean if this carries on like this it is quite worrying to seem to be breaking out in four or five different parts of london. i can share your opinion of the u.k. riots by participating in our latest poll again you can log onto our website our team dark can contribute to tod

it is lawless it was complete mayhem in places like ealing in west london clapham in southwestern croydon in the southeast where it was widespread looting buildings and vehicles being set on fire when i say the police didn't have any control for example in clapham they weren't there for over an hour in the looters and they used to have to have a free run of the main department store there for well over an hour and all the shops in the main high street was smashed in and just and ransacked really and. now people were just taking what they could mobile phones trainers and things like that and there has been. some real shock five residents in that area who are speaking to me last night they're saying how can this happen here that's quite an affluent suburb and they thought they were out of the trouble they're. in think they would be affected but it just nowhere is safe at the moment from this trouble because last night the police we didn't have much control there has been some criticism of the police last night they had six thousand police officers on the streets tonight they get that out an

croydon and all the other places where this order has broken out tonight has absolutely nothing to do with the police shooting of a man ten miles away and it's not a good tool i think it's an issue of criminality and people are taking a bone to age of what they see is a lawless situation and overstretched police forces to do their worst and to some of these very quickly this kind of thing we've seen its impact in the social media spreading unrest in the arab world probably for the good but here it's spreading exactly the same way arguably for the. looks of. like instant messaging and twitter and all the rest of it spreading the word about where the next rockets going to be and they might be able to move faster than the police i think perhaps i mean if this carries on like this it is quite worrying for. four or five different parts of london where you can share your opinion of the u.k. writes about criticism in our latest poll you can log onto our website that's our deep dark card to contribute to today's topic and we're asking you what's the driving force behind the u.k. riots we have

we are seeing a huge blaze in croydon. violence has broken out in hackney and lewisham.the metropitan police make a statement in the last couple of hours. they said they would go after the protagonists. they condemned this violence. they said cameras would capture those carrying this out and promised to bring this to justice. the pictures we are seeing our cat and mouse games between writers and police officers, rubbish bins on fire. people are terrified. the police have urged londoners to get off the streets so they can deal with increasing levels of violence. >> it looks very serious. is this genuine frustration at the economic situation in britain, or is this young people taking advantage of the situation to cause damage and look things? >> this violence has been widely condemned by politicians and members of the public as incomprehensible. obviously, there was that vigil on saturday night which marked -- sparked the original right. politicians have condemned this violence as unjustified. no real reason to spark further violence in terms of rioting. but there seems to

have been injured and there are now reports that one man has died after he was shot in the area of croydon another man is in critical condition clinging to life after he was beaten in mob violence and ealing from london to manchester to tottenham to birmingham to civil unrest is ready so what will be conservative government london to do to regain control and how much of what we're seeing today is caused by the austerity measures passed last year or more on this i'm joined by victoria jones international correspondent talk radio news victoria welcome thank you very much great to have you with us first of all i got an email just like twenty thirty minutes ago from a friend of mine who lives in the u.k. who said the who had heard my radio show today and he said the conversation we had was just kind of like joe rahm and he said the extent to which you're suggesting in the us. here in the u.k. these riots are coming about because of the austerity measures most brits would push back on that he said just like most americans back in this back in the sixty's when watts in detroit were burning would

i think the prime minister for coming to croydon on wednesday. my constituents got to see policing, in terms of visibility and robustness, they want to see every day. can he assure me we are not just want to see a temporary change in police tactics and visibility, but a permanent one? >> i thank the honorable gentleman for what he did. he introduced me to some of the shop owners who of been affected in his constituency, some of whom have been made homeless. i can give that assurance. there is an importance to searching police numbers quickly. there are 32,000 police a officers in the met. having just 3000 on sunday, 6000 on monday was not enough. i am sure lessons will be learned in that regard. >> the lords of ireland have been available with resources to support the police and what they are doing here. in the context of reviewing the actions of the police of the last few days, has that involved the psni and their experience of riot control in advising the police? >> of course, it is enormously helpful having be chairman who served so well in no

tottenham in the first place and quite clearly what's happening in hackney and lewisham and pekerman croydon and all the other places where disorder has broken out tonight has absolutely nothing to do with the police shooting of a man ten miles away in north london. it's purely opportunistic whereas i don't think it is going broke it's not anger at all i think it's pure criminality and people are taking advantage. of what they see is a lawless situation and overstretched police forces to do their worst and help themselves to free goods small one british m.p. that is anything political about this one british m.p. stuck his neck on the lines not a bit i guess most saying there's no political point to any of this people just want excitement in their lives was his quote how could they be here i having this kind of excitement that. it's difficult i mean the trouble is it spreads very quickly this kind of thing we've seen it in fact in the arab world we've seen it social media spreading unrest in the arab world probably for the good there but here it's spreading exactly the same way arguably for t

these pictures live from a london suburb of croydon.an trapped inside by the fire with only one way out, she jumped. the building went up in flames. those that didn't burn were vandalized, looted, those doing the looting also went after reporters and camera crews, the bbc reporting a crew confronted tonight outside of manchester, late last night in london, it was cnn's dan rivers, watch. >> they decided, right, we're going to hold that line mind us. we have to move. they've been throwing -- if you can still hear me, max, we're having a few bottles thrown at us. we're okay. that is the danger. as soon as people stray down this road, it erupts in violence. >> and when the violence stops, some people fell victim or are victimized yet again. i want to show you a moment that was posted on youtube of a beating victim and the people who were pretending to help him. watch this. >> they're actually helping him. oh, my god. they're going through his bag. oh! he just took something from his bag. >> just sickening. as we said, london is quieter ton

we need to get more onto the streets to more quickly and more of them to croydon. it is about now. it is not about the budgets of the future. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i very much welcome -- [inaudible] about social media. as part of that, what might be called the internet equivalent of the corporate it would seem the police have been wasting time dealing with false rumors about modern activity and the laws and building must be updated. >> i think the honorable gentleman makes a good point. just as the police have been using technology more effectively, so criminals are now using technology more effectively. there are false trails that were laid on twitter and blackberry messenger and all the rest of the. i think we need a major piece of work to make sure the police have got all of their electronic capabilities that they need to hunt down the criminals. >> thank you, mr. speaker thank you, mr. speaker. can the prime minister say what measures he has in mind to strengthen families? and in particular, parental responsibility which so many members of the public rightly think is a big

i'll never forget talking to maurice reeves, whose family had run the reeves furniture store in croydon for generations. this was an 80 year old man who had seen the business he had loved, that his family had built up for generations, simply destroyed. a hundred years of hard work, burned to the ground in a few hours. but last week we didn't just see the worst of the british people. we saw the best of them too. the ones who called themselves riot wombles and headed down to the hardware stores to pick up brooms and start the clean-up. the people who linked arms together to stand and defend their homes, their businesses. the policemen and women and fire officers who worked long, hard shifts, sleeping in corridors then going out again to put their life on the line. everywhere i've been this past week, in salford, manchester, birmingham, croydon, people of every background, color and religion have shared the same moral outrage and hurt for our country. because this is britain. this is a great country of good people. those thugs we saw last week do not represent us, nor do they represent our

croydon, which was the scene of that fireball the first 24 hours.ning down to rubble, what it is today. the reese furniture, ran this store for 150 years, generation and generations. now it seems police, at least in terms of numbers are getting their about the together. it's been quiet here in croydon for a couple of days and isn s other parts of london although there have been disturbances outside of london. we're bracing for this weekend when football crowds are out in streets and pubs and do a lot of drinking. you mentioned bill bratton. that's the second time that david cameron has mentioned his name this time during that public debate, or the parliament debate yesterday, wanting to get his specific expertise, because cameron and the government believe that this organized criminal gang who are really fueling the riot and looting and bratton for his part released that statement saying that he does have a lot about criminal gangs and if asked would be honored and pleased to try to help out. bratton has to be very diplomatic here, because just a co

we need to get more onto the streets to more quickly and more of them to croydon. it is about now. it is not about the budgets of the future. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i very much welcome -- [inaudible] about social media. as part of that, what might be called the internet equivalent of the corporate it would seem the police have been wasting time dealing with false rumors about modern activity and the laws and building must be updated. >> i think the honorable gentleman makes a good point. just as the police have been using technology more effectively, so criminals are now using technology more effectively. there are false trails that were laid on twitter and blackberry messenger and all the rest of the. i think we need a major piece of work to make sure the police have got all of their electronic capabilities that they need to hunt down the criminals. >> thank you, mr. speaker thank you, mr. speaker. can the prime minister say what measures he has in mind to strengthen families? and in particular, parental responsibility which so many members of the public rightly think is a big

a 26-year-old man who was found with a gunshot wound to the head in croydon, in south london, on mondayight has died, according to police. now some 16,000 police officers are on the streets of london as tensions have now turned deadly between groups of young people and police. police say the riots in london monday night were the worst in current memory. for the third straight night, people set buildings on fire, looted stores and attacked police with bottles and fireworks. hundreds have been arrested. this all started last week, after 29-year-old mark duggan was shot and killed by london police. violence first broke out over the weekend in the district of tottenham in north london and has now spread to three major british cities. we are joined now from london. some are saying this rioting is all because of high unemployment and benefit cuts, but then there are the others who are saying it could be racially motivated because the man police killed last week was black. what are you hearing in terms of race being behind this? >> reporter: i'm hearing a lot of different things. i think it's