d.a. fani willis.ould be a concern, for everyone, especially when that commission has power on october 1st -- and we know that this trial is slated to begin -- with at least some defendants on october 23rd. so, the idea that anybody can bring a complaint and try to thwart d.a. willis from doing her job in the middle of a major prosecution should be troubling to everyone. >> yeah. and it is worth noting that many of the people who sit on this commission are former d.a. 's themselves. i am sure you know who they are. we do not. perhaps there is some hope that because they d.a. are's themselves, they will recognize the importance of prosecutorial to independents here. who can know? what is your expectation for the lawsuit? you're asking for an injunction while this case works its way through the courts. what is your expectation? >> absolutely. we filed this lawsuit and we filed the injunction a few weeks ago because we absolutely believe that harm can come to a number of d.a.'s before we've had an opportu

d.a. fani willis from office. now, earlier this year the republican controlled legislature passed a law allowing a newly formed commission to investigate and remove any elected prosecutor in the state of georgia. it is called the prosecuting attorney overnight commission. using it to go after d.a. willis in the middle of the very public and high stakes case would be a step so radical that even georgia's republican governor brian kemp is warning against it. but the new commission that theoretically has the power to remove d.a. willis is set to begin its work in the next few weeks unless it's stopped by the courts. four georgia district attorneys have filed a lawsuit arguing the new law establishing this commission is unconstitutional and anti-democratic. one of them joins me now. the district attorney of dekalb county, georgia, right next door to fulton county. madam district attorney, thank you so much for joining me tonight. and there's a lot to talk about in terms of the substance of this law and its decidedly a

d.a. fani willis was over the deals. some people who were part of the presentation from the d.a.re's an entire list of the fake electors and they were not all indicted. there were only three georgia fake electors that were indicted by this grand jury. there's this issue of immunity, there's this issue of cooperation to clark's point. alex coffman did not testify, but curt hillbert did receive. i don't know if it was pursuant to a subpoena. but there's a level of cooperation that we're not totally privy to. the grand jury took evidence, heard evidence, and made a decision. if i'm fani willis, i'm not going to supplant that discretion and try to pursue more, frankly, i would let it be where it is. you have 19 co-defendants that are facing a number of felony charges. i think in and of that, you trust that the grand jury in its capacity took the evidence and returned a true bill on what they thought and who they thought was appropriate for charges. so i would -- i would not expect to see in any capacity a superseding indictment at this time. i think what you have is what you have. an

d.a. fani willis is an independent state prosecutor. her indictment of donald trump and 18 alleged co-conspirators is a state level racketeering and conspiracy charge. but that reality has not stopped republicans in congress from getting involved. after willis' criminal indictment was issued, the chair of the house judiciary committee, congressman jim jordan, launched an investigation into her investigation. and, well, today d.a. willis responded to his demands for documents related to her case. d.a. willis did not mince words. she called it an unjustified and illegal intrusion. she said mr. jordan was flagrantly at odds with the constitution and also lacked a basic understanding of the law and its practice. instead of her investigation she suggested mr. jordan train his attention and that of the justice department on the threats her office has received. by way of proof ms. willis attached example of racist and anti-semitic and violent threats she has received including the fan-fiction-style submission of willis being shot at her home b

d.a. fani willis, what would you do? >> well, d.a. fani willis does not want the try this many, many times. she is going to have to take these two defendants who have asked for speedy trial in october because she has to do that, but she wants to minimize the number of trials. and if mark meadows wins this bid to go to federal court, that is another trial to include him and others in federal court, so she is looking to break this into the smallest number of pieces that she can. i believe she will go to court and suggest a trial court for the 17 remaining defendants a few months out, and then propose that they see how many defendants plead out between now and the months before the date approaches and try to get into as few trials as possible, because it is a going to be labor intensive, and see how few she can get to. >> and there a filing to try as if as possible, but trying a rico case, walk me through the disadvantages of the bite-sized cases as opposed to trying them in a more organized fashion. >> these cases are going to be a prett

peel, but the really just bad news for any codefendant federal official who is hoping to avoid d.a., fani willisg former president donald trump. speaking of avoiding d.a. fani willis's prosecution, a grand jury report was unveiled. it reveals a wide array of trump allies who were not indicted despite recommendations from the special grand jurors. the sprawling list included top republican names like senator lindsey graham, former senator david perdue and kelly loeffler, trump's former national security adviser, michael flynn, interim quarterback lawyer, for us epstein. joining me now, legal analyst for the host of the justice meadows podcast, glenn, let's start with that denial of the mark meadows attempts to move to federal court. by now, we've had time to digest it more. we know that meadows cannot have his case removed in federal court, he's going to remain state court. we do have major hearings coming up a 19 and 9:20. september 18th and 20th. those are for the four remaining defendants who have already filed or notices of removal. one of which is jeff clark, a former u.s. attorney, and atto

i've always said fani willis, d.a. fani willis has been called for a time such as this. she's a very tough prosecutor. she knows the law, she follows it, and she applies facts she's been given to investigations to that law. if she has the facts to go forward, she's going to move forward, and no one is going to be able to intimidate her from doing so. i will say the flip side of this is her ability to weather this and all of these prosecutors ability to hold a former president accountable is actually a reason to encourage other young people whether they were women of color or not to get involved in this career given the stakes and the magnitude of the challenge. if victorious, it's deeply meaningful. >> actually, that's one of the things that's personally very satisfying for me. there was a time when i was the only african american woman d.a. in georgia, and now there are eight. so you can see how things can progress as many others step up and recognize their opportunity to serve. >> wow, we are so thrilled to have your wisdom and thoughts. and i will say generally positi

d.a. fani willis, she brought a rico charge. that's why all 19 of these folks are jammed into this one case. but if judges grant the motions to sever these cases, is the d.a. prepared to try not one big case but say three, four or 17 individual cases? >> i think if we were to ask d.a. willis if she had to do it all separately could she, i think she would say yes. you know, she's said all along that she's taken this very seriously and tried to be as thorough as possible, as deliberate as possible. that being said, that would not be her wish. that would not be her preference. i think she probably knows at this point, especially with those who asked for a speedy trial, that she won't be able to prosecute all 19 together. maybe she knew that all along. and i think they're prepared for perhaps going in groups. but if they decide to do them all individually, that would become very cumbersome just from a logistics standpoint, but i think she would be prepared to roll with whatever came her way. >> you know, barb, today, ken chesebro, t

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d.a. fani willis last month when she indicted donald trump and 18 others, and today, she released a blistering response to house judiciary committee chairman jim jordan's decision to investigate her investigation. >>> also tonight, the libraries of 13 former presidents, republican and democrat, issue an unprecedented warning about the state of u.s. democracy as we see an uptick in violent rhetoric from politicians on the right. >>> plus, colorado voters file a lawsuit to keep trump off the ballot, raising the question, can the 14th amendment truly bar him from becoming president again? >>> good evening. i'm jonathan capehart in for joy reid. we begin with a slew of legal developments today on multiple fronts. all involving the many criminal cases of donald trump and his associates. starting with peter navarro, the former adviser in the trump white house who just a short time ago was found guilty by a d.c. jury on two counts of criminal contempt of congress for refusing to comply with the subpoena from the house january 6th select committee last year. in their closing arguments, prosecutors tol

fani willis from office. he said that if there are reasons that people are upset with the d.a.'s performance, there are proper channels to take that out. he even went a step further, one, calling it unconstitutional, but two, saying that in his sight she hasn't seen anything so far that has violated her oath of office. here's a little bit of what he had to say during that news conference. take a look. >> it doesn't sound like we have that soundbite from the governor, but basically he said he doesn't see anything that makes it seem as though she has violated her oath of office. i think what's important to point out is the dynamics. she's a democrat here in fulton county, which is a heavily blue area. i think for people who have watched georgia for quite some time, you will remember that brian kemp resisted the same type of call to call a special session back from then president trump in the days after the 2020 election, he wanted the governor to call a special session to overturn his last year in georgia, kemp didn't do it, and that was the beginning of the rift between the two r

d.a. fani willis. we heard that in court two days ago when we were there dealing with whether or not we were going to have a severance of kenneth chesebro from sidney powell and the other defendants of the 150 witnesses, you see some of them here now. is lindsey graham going to be called to testify by the state of georgia against donald trump if this goes to trial, when it goes to trial? these are the questions that remain a little bit unanswered and we now have a little bit more elimination as we sit here right now. >> there are so many different aspects with it, state and in the case you're mentioning, national implications. i'm wondering what are you seeing that stands out to you in this very, very specific series of indictments? >> well, jose, i want to underline the headline for our viewers and make sure it doesn't get lost. a special grand jury recommended criminal charges against one current and two former u.s. senators in connection with their alleged actions to try to overturn the 2020 electio

d.a. fani willis has brought the rico case there against trump and 18 others. starting to learn about this prosecutor. >> i think it is a choice, actually, between integrity and corruption, good and bad. >> that was willis, but not talking about this case. there, she was discussing what she called the choice during her campaign for this post. we will get to that in a few moments, it is pretty interesting. but in this case, she previewed these upcoming arguments by outlining the legal theory that trump and his co-defendants actually formed a legal gang or racketeering enterprise, which existed to overthrow biden's lawful win in georgia. >> rather than abide by georgia legal process for election challenges, the defendants engaged in a criminal racketeering enterprise to overturn georgia's presidential election results. >> that state racketeering law is a powerful tool for prosecutors. there were observers who questioned whether this was a reach to use it in the trump case. but i can tell you, willis's approach is not specific to trump. she has deployed this power

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d.a. fani willis from office, despite calls from a handful of local republican lawmakers. and lester, today, a judge confirmed that all proceedings related to this case will be livestreamed on the court's youtube channel. lester >> all right, blayne, thank you. >>> two leader or testify far-right proud boys were sentenced today for seditious conspiracy in the january 6th attack joe biggs, who led the group's florida chapter, received 17 years. the second-longest sentence for any january 6th defendant. zachary rehl, the former head of the philadelphia chapter, got 15 years prosecutors had pushed for them to be sentenced to over three decades each >>> in pennsylvania, a convicted murderer is on the loose after escaping from a prison outside philadelphia authorities hunting for danelo cavalcante say he is extremely dangerous. he was sentenced to life without parole just last week for stabbing his ex to death in front of her children anyone who spots him immediately should call 911 >>> also tonight, the horrifying images out of south africa. a five-story building going up in f

d.a. fani willis could indict or should be indicting i believe it was 12 people at that time. >> you know, i'm not sure we know exactly how many people it was. by recollection is that emily coors, the grand jury foreperson said it could be upwards of a dozen people when she spoke with blayne alexander. the report is not so lengthy. it's upper wards of 10 and fewer than 20. we should see what conclusions a special grand jury came to at the end of their investigation. >> that will ban be an interesting read. file an order to remove his case to federal court as mark meadows and others have done. >> well, you know, obviously the fulton county d.a. is going to oppose that. he would have a distinct advantage in going to federal court. he said once you get outside of 285, which is sort of the boundary interstate for atlanta, things start to become more and more conservative the further north you get. the northern district of georgia, the federal circuit, these are all potential jurors all the way from atlanta up to the tennessee line, and so a lot of those folks are going to be trump supporters.

d.a. fani willis's r.i.c.o. case in that state is set to begin.to try all 19 codefendants together, and that they can do so by october 23rd. the judge in the case has asked the prosecution to tell him by this evening just how exactly the prosecution plans to do it. we have just gotten the prosecution's filing via the public docket. tonight, the ap is reporting on some of its contents, saying that prosecutors still maintained all of the defendants should be tried together, citing efficiency and unfairness, quote, holding several lengthy trials instead would create an enormous strain on the judicial resources of the county superior court and will radically favor the defendants tried later, who will have the advantage of seeing the states evidence and arguments ahead of time, according to prosecutors. joining me now to discuss this breaking news is mary mccord, a former u.s. assistant u.s. attorney in d.c., former acting assistant tierney at the doj and co-host of the msnbc broadcast, prosecuting donald trump. mary, let me get your reaction to the pr

d.a. fani willis they wanted to indict anybody who happened to be breathing at the time, mr. trump wrote, saying, the report has, quote, zero credibility and badly taints willis and this whole political witch-hunt among those the special grand jury recommended charging with crimes, south carolina senator lindsey graham, who made calls to investigate claims of voter fraud in georgia in november 2020 graham was not charged. >> we can't criminalize senators doing their job when they have a constitutional requirement to fulfill. we're opening up pandora's box. i think the system in this country is getting off the rails. >> reporter: the special grand jury, which did not have the power to indict, also recommending the prosecution of former trump national security adviser michael flynn, who publicly advocated for seizing voting machines and declaring martial law after the election he also was not charged. flynn's attorney writing, the report revealed a, quote, politically motivated prosecutor last month a separate georgia grand jury indicted 19 individuals in a sprawling racketeeri

d.a. fani willis makes her case for why donald trump and his 18 criminal co-defendants should be tried togetherile trump tries to sever his case and delay, delay, delay his trial. >>> plus in football, they use a lot of war terminology like blitzing the quarterback and throwing the bomb. so coach tommy tubervillle must be confused thinking he knows a thing about war but he never served and is single handedly causing a crisis within the u.s. military. >>> but we begin tonight with a line that every american should memorize. it was first uttered by donald trump during the lead-up to january 6th. and it goes like this. just say there is corruption and leave the rest to me and the republican congressman. and that, as it turns out, is what house speaker kevin mccarthy and his caucus of maga misfit toys have been trying to do with president biden. even though trump's own department of justice couldn't find any corruption, senators ron johnson and chuck grassley led investigative committees that found nothing and cleared joe biden. and so did the chairman of the house oversight committee, james comer.

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d.a.'s office appeal, if it's not removed, you can guarantee that mark meadows is going to appeal. but the state case is supposed to continue it under the statute. >> fani willis has a lot on her plate, potentially multiple trials. obviously security concerns. there's also this move by house republicans to get documents from the d.a., and i understand that fani willis just responded. what do we know? >> yeah, that's right. we've seen similar efforts here from house republicans to get information about the various prosecutions in federal court and in new york state court, they have attempted to do so here in georgia, and in a nine-page response, fani willis's position can basically be summarized as thank you for your interest. now go find something else to do. she writes in part that their interest in this case, she says is an obvious effort to interfere in the case they're doing, to obstruct a georgia criminal proceeding is her exact words and said there's no justification in the constitution for congress to get involved here at all. she goes on to in the length of this letter say that she will voluntarily respond to some things that jim jordan asked, but real

d.a. fani willis in georgia, fraud. not election fraud, alleged, here are the allegations were business fraud. that trump, over and over again, he said his apartment was three times as large as it was, to get loans, and insurance. his residence at seven springs, his mar-a-lago estate, allegedly, exaggerated. >> all over assets. >> that is the allegation. both theater need general and donald trump tried for summary judgment before the judge in new york. and the judge granted summary judgment to the attorney general, and said, there's no question, donald trump inflated these properties. there is nothing. what it means, there's nothing for us to argue about at trial. this is settled. also denied donald trump's effort to get summary judgment. so we are going to have a number of other charges that will be tried, and various damages. discouragement, how much money trump is going to have to give up, that is going to be tried as well. >> so important, may, we think about, it the summary judgment, essentially a judge saying, lis

d.a. fani willis. trump pleaded not guilty, and 11 of his codefendants waived their right the appear in court. meanwhile key witness, former white house chief of staff mark meadows is waiting to hear if his georgia case will move up to federal court, and the georgia special grand jury report is set to be released on friday. trump, by the way, is fund-raising like crazy off his mugshot. i want to know who are those people who give money to the so-called billionaire so he can cover his legal expenses. >>> oh, and in case you were wondering, a recent "wall street journal" poll of republicans put trump's support a stunning 46% higher than the second-place ron desantis. >>> and in our nation's capitol, congress will begin to work in washington on tuesday with just a few more days until another possible government shutdown. after the black caucus announced black americans are being attacked nationwide and blaming republicans as leading these efforts. that's where we start today. >>> of course, joining me now

d.a. fani willis in georgia. not election fraud, alleged. here the allegation was business fraud that trump over and over again, he said his apartment was three times as large as it was to get loans and insurance. his residents seven springs, his mar-a-lago estate allegedly exaggerated. >> all overinflating assets? >> that is the allegation. and both the attorney general and donald trump tried for summary judgment before the judge in new york, and the judge granted summary judgment to the attorney general and said there is no question donald trump inflated these properties. there is nothing -- what it means, there is nothing for us to argue about at trial. this is settled. also, denied donald trump's effort to get summary judgment. so we're going to have a number of other charges that will be tried, and various damages, disgorgement, how much money trump has to give up that is going to be tried as well. >> so important, may. we think about the summary judgment. essentially a judge saying listen, you only have to go before a fact finder, the

so will the judge agree with fani willis, the d.a., to put some of the people whose cases are similarho's another private attorney working on behalf of donald trump or the other individuals who are alleged to have accessed voter data information from voting machines in a particular county in georgia, coffey county along with sidney powell. there could be one clump, or one basket, october 23rd and i think a second basket months from now and maybe even a third from individuals trying to get into federal court. he might reserve them for a much later date. >> of course them may include the former president himself trying to get into federal court. also includes for sure we know mark meadows. his request to move his case to federal court. and a judge on friday rejected that request, but it may not be over. the 11th circuit court of appeals has this. you have noticed an order from the appeals court today. what does it mean? >> i do think it's a long road ahead potentially for the mark meadows litigation. there's no strong indication the # 11th circuit will uphold. today they asked for an ad

d.a. fani willis' plan to try donald trump and all of his co-defendants together on october 23. that is like a month away, everyone. there is no trial date set as we're sitting here today for the former president, but it is likely that trump won't actually face a trial until maybe next year, which of course brings us right into the heat of the race for the white house. but i want to begin with the looming autoworkers strike. vanessa yurkevich is there. >> reporter: and just moments ago, shawn fain made the announcement about which three pla plants that will strike. the one in toledo, ohio, a ford plant in wayne, michigan, and a gm plant in missouri. that will represent about 12,700 members who will be walking out at midnight if the uaw cannot come to an agreement with the big three automakers in the next hour. that is that announcement. >> we've been clear midnight on the evening of september 14th is a deadline. uaw family, that deadline is nearly here. tonight for the first time in our history, we will strike all three of the big three at once. >> reporter: and we're hearing fr

d.a. fani willis might call him to testify in the rico case is there anything we can glean from that filing today in terms of what kind of case she is building >> sure. i think what we can determine from her placing lin wood on the witness list she has some testimony she needs to get out before this trial. we know he testified to a grand jury previously with a subpoena, he testified for an hour, an hour and a half. so whatever that testimony is she has to get out during the course of the trial. she has to put him on the witness list and give him a subpoena we'll see whether he voluntarily complies with the subpoena or have him comply as a witness if he refuses to come we do know there was something whether it was meeting he held in south carolina or his actions in the lawsuit challenging the election results there's some testimony he has that's valuable to her in the case >> speaking what that testimony might be this is a guy who since 2020 has definitely taken a reputational hit but what would be the advantage of putting somebody like a lin wood who has also given up his law practice or hi

but fulton county d.a., fani willis, who you know well, hospitalled not to charge those lawmakers. based on the evidence that we've seen so far, do you understand why she didn't go there? >> i think so. as a former prosecutor, we take a special oath to make sure that we administer justice fairly. it's not a game of revenge or retribution. and so it's not a situation in the case of this significance that you would want to just throw everybody in the same bag and blindly go forward. i think that d.a. willis was very judicious and discerning about the way she looked at the report from the special purpose grand jury. i think she carved out with her staff what she was able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, which will be the standard going forward. and i think she made the decision that said, hey, let's go forward with the strongest cases possible and with respect to the rest, i will exercise by discretion to not pursue they at this time. >> all right, clint, thank you very much. i really appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> and here's lindsey graham today responding to all of thi

d.a. fani willis. not only are they not paying attention to the right balance between the state governments and the federal government, they're ignoring the free speech and first amendment protections for regular political activity. look, here you've got a d.a. who is now trying to prosecute the head of the executive branch, the president. she's now thought about, maybe she still will, indict senators in the u.s. congress. maybe she's going to go after the u.s. supreme court next. chief justice john roberts better lawyer up. david: don't give her any ideas, john. very quickly, a thought on the 14th amendment, a lot of people say that can be used to prevent donald trump from running for office because of what the 14th amendment says about insurrection and if you're an insurrectionist, et cetera. remember, donald trump has not been indicted on insurrection, so is that charge kind after phony charge? >> look, this is still part of the constitution. the constitution and the 14th amendment as you said allow

d.a. fani willis filed a motion saying all of the defendants should be tried together because the same evidence and the same witnesses are being used against all of them, after that last night donald trump filed a motion waiving his right to a speedy trial. in exchange he is asking to be tried separately from the other defendants. now, this doesn't necessarily mean that trump is merely looking to separate his trial from everyone else's. it could suggest trump is attempting to avoid a speedy trial at all costs. at least five other codefendants filed similar motions today with many of them saying they also won't be ready to go to trial by october 23rd, and all of this is turning into a kind of logistical nightmare, the very kind that prosecutors usually like to avoid. as to the central question here, will donald trump go to trial on october 23rd, the final word on that rests with the judge, scott mcafee, expected to make a decision very soon, perhaps as early as tomorrow. joining me now is chris timmons, a former deputy assistant chief attorney. chris, thank you for being here to enlighten me to

fani willis's plan to put all 19 defendants on trial next month. it seems to be judged mcafee and congressman jim jordan and other critics have forgotten who d.a. s, and what exactly she has accomplished in her time in office. so, allow me a moment to remind folks of her track record. we're almost 20 years in a prosecutor, fani willis has led more than 100 jury trials. she is an expert in r.i.c.o. cases and then, forget he prosecuted one of georgia's largest criminal cases involving a cheating scandal and the atlanta public school system. in fact, since becoming chief prosecutor, willis's office is, wilson's conviction right for the d.a.'s office has stood close to 90%. the conviction rights matter, because prosecutors only bring cases they believe that they can win. so, they said. so, look. why are folks and saying that fani willis is in over her head or she is biting off more than she can to? and why the special counsel jack smith escape any scrutiny for his strategy? he also is bringing a case against the former president. he seemed to avoid the same level of scrutiny. many folks just took jack smith at his word. that he knew what he was doin

willis this afternoon. the d.a. rebuffed house judiciary committee chairman jim jordan's request for documents, part of his attempt to investigate fani willis in a scathing letter, willis says jordan lacks a basic understanding of the law. it reads in part, chairman jordan, i tell people often, deal with reality or reality will deal with you. it is time that you deal with some basic realities. a special purpose grand jury made up of everyday citizens investigated for ten months and made recommendations to me. a further reality is that a grand jury of completely different fulton county citizens found probable cause against the defendants named in the indictment for rico violations and various other felonies. face this reality, chairman jordan, the select group of defendants who you fret over in my jurisdiction are like every other defendant, entitled to no worse or better treatment than any other american citizen. fani willis taking steps to protect her criminal case into the trump coup plot is where we begin with some of our favorites. former acting solicitor general neil katyal is here and task figluizzi is here and with me at the t

d.a. fani willis, for daring to investigate donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. the state level, top republicans are moving ahead with their plan to target willis, using a -- brian kemp that makes it easier to remove elected district attorney's. under the law, a commission made up of state officials has the power to investigate complaints, and discipline, or even remove prosecutors, who they believe are not properly enforcing the law. this week though, governor kemp himself shot that idea down, saying he has not seen any evidence that willis's actions have been unlawful. but, republican lawmakers were undeterred. the commission will start receiving complaints on october 1st. on the federal level, house republicans have already launched a probe into willis, baselessly accusing her of coordinating with special counsel jack smith. house judiciary chair jim jordan has given willis until september 7th to hand over documents he has requested. and -- msnbc political contributor is with us now. and, joining us back in the conversation, charles forman, and jennifer horn.

d.a. fani willis and ag chris carr. there is no way to know for certain.what we do know is for some point in time or a period of time, rather, the attorney general of the state of georgia, the governor of the state of georgia brian kemp, have both expressed discontent with the success that has been gained by the cop city movement and momentum created in the streets from other people and they have chosen to use those things which they have at their disposal to assist and criminalize otherwise lawful activity. amy: what is interesting is the top prosecutor of the cab announced she is stepping away from every case involving atlanta's public safety training center cop city. the district attorney sherry boston announced she is out. she will not support these charges going forward. your response to this? >> i think it is telling. the prosecutor has a pretty good reputation in the legal community. for her to take a look at the actions that the attorney general was seeking to go forward with in her county and for her to say, i don't want to be part of it, i have c

d.a. fani willis is pushing back against house republicans here in washington, who are trying to investigate how she has handled this fulton county indictment. in a letter to chairman jim jordan, a close trump ally by the way, willis accuses jordan of trying to, quote, interfere with an active criminal case. she argues, that your job description as a legislature legislator does not include criminal law enforcement, nor does it include supervising a criminal trial because you believe that doing so will promote your partisan political objectives. she goes on to say, it's clear you lucky basic understanding of the law. these. our wheel sharp words from fani willis. and she seems to be trying to say to jim jordan that she is not afraid to fight back here. >> you are being far too kind with the push. that was a lot more than a push, rarely do we see that strong language in something like this, a published letter that's going to be consumed by the community involving high-profile litigation. anybody that's ever sat and spoken with miss willis knows that that was her voice in that letter. you can l

d.a. fani willis filed additional briefings thursday for meadows' bid to move the georgia case from state to federal court. do you think he will actually be successful there? how common is that? >> you know,'s omar, i do beli there is a substantive legal basis for the case to be removed. whether as you mentioned they will buy into what they buy into regardless of the evidence, that will happen, but i think based upon the argument raised as we look at mark meadows there, he is saying that i acted in my federal capacity. i had a right to defend and protect the president in terms of giving him advice, in terms of setting up meetings, in terms of overseeing what was happening with him and the country and furthering the president's interests. it is on that basis that any action i took in terms of setting up meetings, talking to the secretary of state, showing up for an audit or anything that i did was in my official federal capacity. the state however saying nonsense, that was an individual private action disconnected from your federal activities and as a result of it, you are staying in the s

d.a. fani willis, who brought the racketeering case. one of trump's georgia co-defendants, lawyer john eastman, appeared on fox news this week where he admitted to pressuring then-vice president mike pence to delay certification of the election. >> i explicitly told vice president pence in the oval office on january 4 that even though it was an open issue under the circumstances we had, i thought it was the weaker argument and would be bullish to exercise such power even if he had it. what i recommended is that he exceed to request more than 100 state legislators in the swing states to give them a week to try to sort out the impact of what everybody acknowledged was illegality in the conduct of the election. amy: a federal judge sentenced two former leaders of the proud boys, joseph biggs and zachary rehl, to 17 years and 15 years in prison respectively for the seditious conspiracy to keep donald trump in power by attacking the u.s. capitol on january 6, 2021. the sentences are some of the stiffest yet over january 6, though prosecutors

d.a. fani willis maybe this. >> you understand that conditions of your probation insist that you testify truthfullyand any future court proceedings listed on -- your which you were charged? >> yes ma'am. >> joining me is charles coleman junior, former brooklyn prosecutor and msnbc analyst. and former district attorney in fulton, georgia. i mean start with you first. this is very significant, because we went through, we went back through the indictment. the first time that scott hall appears in the narrative on the indictment is on page 20, when he is talking with david bossie, apparently out david bossy, apparently a republican mckee mike. he starts placing calls saying that he has been looking into the election and finding interference. he winds up on the phone with differently boss or clark the guy that trump wanted macon to the attorney general and discuss the november presidential election. a 63 minute phone call. after which he then as part of the attempt to breach coffee county voting systems and take the drive so that they can somehow prove that it was election interference, he potentially c

d.a. fani willis has made another push to hold one trial next month, for all 19 defendants in the georgia election subversion case. and -- the judge in the case is still weighing a proposal, an expecting a decision in the coming days, the last time he did at that very day. with the same hold true here? he has already expressed heavy skepticism over holding one joint trial, and i repeat, next month and october. up next, he is armed, and he is dangerous, and he is on the run, everyone. we will go live to pennsylvania for the latest on the manhunt for that escaped murder. g to somewhere, anywhere. ♪ ♪ a beach house, a treehouse, ♪ ♪ honestly i don't care ♪ find t the perfect vacation rental for you booking.com, booking. yeah. thursday night football on prime. it's on. thursday night football returns, as the vikings take on the eagles. stream thursday night football. only on prime. ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ ( ♪ ) constant contact's advanced automation lets you send the right message at the right time, every time. ( ♪ ) constant contact. helping the small stand tall. i've always had trouble falling a

d.a. fani willis ultimately indicted 19 people, including former president donald trump. meanwhile, in new york, attorney general letitia james has updated figures related to trump's financial fraud case, saying he inflated his net worth by as much as $3.6 billion a year, up from $2.2 billion, in order to secure loans and business deals. a federal judge ordered prison officials in louisiana to remove children locked up in the former death row section of louisiana state penitentiary known as angola. the judge also said children could no longer be held at angola, ruling it amounted to cruel and unusual punishment. for the past 10 months, children, mostly black boys, have been held in solitary confinement, denied family visits, deprived of education and mental health treatment, among other inhumane conditions. in philadelphia, a police officer has been charged with first degree murder for the killing of 27-year-old eddie irizarry in august. mark dial fatally shot irizarry at near point-blank range as he sat in his car. irizarry's family described him as quiet and said he was

d.a. fani willis is expected to reply to an appeal to former chief of staff mark meadows. meadows is trying to get his case moved to federal court. meadows made the unusual claim that stealing an election was part of his job description as chief of staff. he argued that it is, quote, impossible to draw a bright line distinction between a chief of staff engaging in official and political activity. meadows lost that argument, but he's now appealing that decision. the second deadline is in the special counsel's election interfere. trump is expected to respond in court to the doj's gag order request. the special counsel had asked for a quote narrow gag order, citing trump's, ot established practice of issuing inflammatory public statements targeted at individuals or institutions that present an obstacle or challenge to him. joining me now to break it all down is former watergate prosecutor nick ackerman. so, nick. >> yes. >> let's talk about mark meadows. >> absolutely. >> what do you think of this argument that it's within the job description of chief of staff to basically tr

d.a. fani willis, that's the number of witnesses they have. these are the 19 you're seeing on the screen who could potentially be going to trial, potentially together. is this possible to put this all over a four-month period? >> well, the four-month period i think everybody at this period acknowledges is unlikely in terms of the entirety of the case. there is president for having what's known as a mega trial with this many people, but it's extremely rare, very unwieldy and not preferred. but there are a couple things that are likely to happen between now and the trial date, including we might see some dominos fall in this case as well. we may see people enter guilty pleas, they may flip. we also may see some people removed to federal court. we're waiting on the judge's decision in federal court. it's too soon to say whether in fact there will be 19 or 17 even if we take out the two who seem to be going first in october. i think it's too soon to say what other decisions need to be made about cutting it down into multiple trials. >> we have see

d.a. fani willis's request to keep jurors identity secrets in any upcoming trial, involving trump and his 18 codefendants. this decision comes as we see new reporting from the new york times about the rise in threats and intimidation as trump's criminal cases are moving forward. earlier this evening, january six hearing witness, cassidy hutchinson, spoke to our own rachel maddow, about what attacks, about the attacks that come from donald trump himself. >> this year has helped me opened my eyes to the dangers of trump actually poses on people in these situations. i am not the only one. he wants to know he's getting a reaction, he thrives when he has an audience. it could be a negative audience, it could be an audience he likes, it could be his base. what he needs to hear people reacting to him. that's when he knows in his mind that he's been successful to something. we all want the republic to survive, we all should want the republic to survive. but, in the way the mr. trump trajectory is going, i'm not confident that he will have it survive. >> meanwhile, we're also following the latest

d.a. fani willis has a lot to work with. speaking of which, neal, the fact that mark meadows took the stand last month, everything he said when he took the stand can be used in a criminal case. one of the things he was unable to do, that the judge cited in this ruling, was explain any outer limits to what would not be considered federal work. that basically nothing was off limits. and therefore, everything was fair game, as white house chief of staff. do you think that's problematic, as we head into a state criminal trial? >> i don't, alex. first of all, i think what meadows said in the court today, sweeping rejection of, it doesn't just do meadows case for removal, it -- donald trump just as much. everything the judge chose to say is that the president is cut out, the executive branch as a hole is cut out of policing president elections. so that means, when donald trump, if he does file a motion to remove the case to federal court, it is going to be rejected. to be sure, judge jones is careful, on page 48, he says, look, i'

d.a. fani willis of fulton county who has wanted a speedy trial for all 19 co-defendants, wanting the trial locally to begin on october 23rd. those awaiting the federal hearings by some estimates is going to take months, possibly as long as six months, and that prompted the judge in the fulton county case to raise a question during yesterday's hearing saying well, what if we get the trial underway in late october, we start hearing witness testimony against these co-defendants and then some of them are granted a federal trial and removed from the fulton county case and now you are dealing with an issue of double jeopardy. bill. >> bill: thank you, jonathan, see where that goes. >> sandra: hemmer, are you ready? are you ready? >> bill: i am nearly ready. >> sandra: the wait is finally over. the lions and the chiefs, kicking off the 2023 season and it is happening tonight. brian kilmeade has a super bowl prediction. >> bill: hunter biden facing a criminal indictment on a gun charge after the stunning collapse of his plea deal. kerri kupec urbahn is here to break down what comes next. >> got a