so according to the defense, d.a. willisjust another black woman trying to bring a black male conservative down. joy, we don't have time to unpack how wrong and dumb that claim is, but i'm not surprised that d.a. willis felt compelled to show up in the courtroom today to address this herself. >> well, you know he may not want that analogy because in that case that was clarence thomas credibly accused of harassing a black woman. and in this case he is credibly accused of harassing and essentially terrorizing a black woman and her black woman daughter. so he may have stumbled into an analogy right, paul? >> that's exactly right. the bond order the reason he's not locked up prior to trial requires him not to communicate in any way with people who were going to be witnesses. we know that ruby freeman is going to be a witness in this case. the indictment accuses mr. floyd of trying to intimidate her saying that she's going to get locked up because of election fraud, trying to pressure ms. freeman into admitting that she committed

in a filing, d.a. willising, quote, the proposed trial date bounces potentially from defendant trump's other criminal trials. potential delays and other trials could very well be referring to the ongoing mar-a-lago documents case. on thursday, trump appointed judge amy cannon denied a request from the special counsels i'll face to set a deadline for the trump team to discos which classified documents it plans to ease a trial. instead, judge cannon insisted that she would be holding off on scheduling any deadlines until march 2024, at the earliest. joining me now former manhattan assistant district attorney and msnbc legal analyst catherine christian, catherine thank you very much for coming back to the saturday show. how likely is it that d.a. willis will be able to get her georgia trial to start on august 5th 2024? >> unless donald trump is on trial with other cases, it should go. meaning, that unless the judge says no. so i predict on a case like this where you have multiple -- in a conspiracy, more defenda

but d.a. willis asking for an august 4th trial date today is even more of a big deal when you consider that she just said this on tuesday. >> i believe in that case there will be a trial. i believe the trial will take many months. i don't expect that we will conclude until the winter or the very early part of 2025. >> trump's legal team promptly filed its own motion opposing that august 5th trial date. we have no idea how the judge will rule here. but there is a very real chance that former prior president trump could be on trial during the closing weeks of the 2024 election, elected, itself through january six in the election certification process, and maybe even through inauguration. and we remember how that all went down last time, don't we, in 2020? well, this would add a new level of complexity to all of that. this is not the only key date we learned about today. d.a. willis also requested that the judge set a final plea date on june 21st. trump, if you recall, has 14 codefendants remaining. fou

today d.a. willised a motion to revoke harrison floyd's bond agreement citing several interviews and social media posts that allegedly violate conditions of floyd's release. prosecutors cited an interview on a podcast as one example of that where mr. floyd trash talks one of his former codefendants who has now flipped, attorney jena ellis. and then there's the fate of mr. floyd's social media posts directed at ruby freeman, ones allegedly containing excerpts from down at that police station. as fulton county judge mcfae sides with the d.a. on this harrison floyd will have to go back to jail to await trial. meanwhile his alleged coconspirators here have remained markedly defiant. he talks openly on social media about the headline making experience and suggesting she would be trump's next press secretary. and then there's mr. stephen cliff guard lee. you can see him here in police body cam footage after ruby freeman called the police on him in december 22. mr. lee who calls himself america's chaplain say

d.a. willis appeared in person. first time she's done so since that original indictment of donald trump and his rico codefendants was filed back in august. lots happened since then. willis argues one of the trump codefendants, this individual, harrison floyd, should actually have his bail revoked, should be held in jail before trial because of online posts because she and her office alleges amount to illegal witness tampering and intimidation. >> look at the evidence. he violated his court order, and there are real consequences for allowing defendants to intimidate witnesses. your honor, we're asking his bond be revoked and he be remanlded today. >> remanded today. his lawyer for go to jail right now that is big ask. judges weigh these kind of things on a case by case basis. but willis says floyd already targeted one of the victims allegedly according to the indictment been through so much at the hands of donald trump and his hench people, election worker ruby freeman. we covered her story back on the january 6th co

d.a. willis to rely upon, it is one more reason this political travesty of a case must be dismissed. during his interview with prosecutors, co-defendant kenneth chesebro also testified that trump was aware of the so-called fake electors scheme. according to "the washington post," during an unreported white house meeting, he offered advice on assembling alternate slates of electors in key battlegrounds to cast ballots for trump in states that joe biden actually won during the 2020 election. nbc news has reached out to attorneys for chesebro, ellis, powell and scott hall, but we have not yet heard back. former president trump and the other 14 co-defendants in this case have, of course, pled not guilty. ana? >> garrett haake, thank you. let's bring in former federal prosecutor paul butler. paul, garrett laid it out there, a lot there, does any of this offer a smoking gun against trump? >> there is a lot of really incriminating evidence. remember, these defendants, if they had been convicted at trial

for the first time in this entire case in fulton county, we are seeing d.a. willisns herself. as for the defendant, floyd posted about ruby freeman at least nine times in a single day and last year, she talked generally about how unfounded accusations that she committed election fraud offended her life. >> i won't even introduce myself by my name anymore. i get nervous when i bump into someone i know in the grocery store who says my name. i'm worried about who's listening. i get nervous when i have to give my name for food orders. i'm always concerned of who's around me. i've lost my name and i've lost my reputation. i've lost my sense of security. all because a group of people starting with number 45 and his ally, rudy giuliani, decided to scapegoat me and my daughter, shay. >> following by floyd's attorneys denied he harassed, communicated or was involved with anyone in the case. insisting he was just exercising his right to free speech. blaine alexander is with us from atlanta. also with us, barbara mcquaid. do we have any idea why willis is taking the lead today

d.a. fani willis, either of those cases? >> yes and no i would generally speaking say no especially when it comes to fani willis's case. she's gotta move forward because she's looking at state statutes in georgia and the recall law. and the way that they cases construct it is entirely different. with respect to jack smith i think he's already someone who put his ducks in a row in a particular way over how he has constructed's history of the case to move forward. whereas i don't think that either of them would ignore the decision anything that comes from it. i don't know that it's gonna impact what both of them have planned, in terms of how they are going to litigate these cases. >> okay so anything and how important is it that the judge found that donald trump did participate in an insurrection? i mean it is, that is not something that i've heard before, that's not something that puts a question on the table. it seems like the colorado judge answered. >> absolutely i think the question is, who is it important to? there are d

there, d.a. willis put it speaking at a wider women's summit making news about this issue. our job in the news is to make sure we report everything that we have. we have a denial there from the d.a. we have an accusation that it came from somewhere else. we don't have confirmation of where this came from, and even if the d.a. is telling what she believes is the truth, that she -- no one she knows did this, that doesn't mean they didn't. if you're in the d.a.'s office, this stuff is coming out and you're going, okay, gear up for another big day, because this complicates matters. the testimony shows a lot. when you're covering this trial, the first headline is there is bad news for those remaining defendants holding out. we've shown you the chart where you have key figures that face heat for the coup, in georgia and in the open jack smith case in d.c., where they're technically called unindicted coconspirators, but all that means is they could get indicted later. eastman, now face this newly revealed testimony from their former teammate sidney powell. this is a special report

now, today, d.a. willisson floyd's bond agreement, citing several interviews and social media posts that allegedly violate conditions of floyd's release by communicating with witnesses and intimidating witnesses in this case. >> prosecutors cited an interview and a podcast as one example of that, where mr. floyd trash talks one of his former codefendants who has not flipped. attorney general ellis. and then there is the state of mr. floyd social media posts, directed at ruby freeman, once allegedly containing experts from that conversation down at the police station. unfolding county judge scott mcafee sides with the dea on this, harrison floyd will have to go back to jail to await trial. meanwhile, floyd's alleged coconspirators here have remained remarkably defiant. trayvon kutti, again, publicist, according to the washington post, talks openly on social media about the headline making experience, taunting detractors and memes and suggesting that she should be trump's next press secretary. be careful of wh

but also if d.a. willison, prosecutors constantly have to consider defendants constitutional rights. you don't want other defendants saying two years ago, i didn't file a statutory speedy trial demand, i silicon stitches no right to a speedy trial. this is also the prosecutor putting on the record that in a delay, it would not be the fault of the state. that the state is making every motion to keep these cases tried, regardless of any political seat -- saying that the political season, or trump's involvement in the election is voluntary, and it is not relevant to either win this case should be tried, or to the constitutional speedy trial rights of the other defendants. >> why august 5th? is there any significance to that particular day? >> the assumption is, by august, by the summer of 2024, the other cases, the case scheduled in may, and the case scheduled in march should have result. and so, there won't be delays caused by those other cases. the motions for the case should be heard by that time, they're al

. >> i think especially for donald trump and his attorneys, they're watching d.a. williscase against young thug. you're basically getting the playbook of how a team is competing that you know you're going to compete against later. >> gang members -- >> reporter: prosecutors painting the grammy winner as the mastermind of a criminal enterprise. ysl, the young slime life gang, notorious in atlanta for violent crime. >> members and associates of ysl, they move like a cat with the defendant, jeffrey williams, at its head. >> reporter: the defense firing back, saying the record label started by young thug, ysl, young stoner life, has a name rooted in fashion. >> tight-fitting pants. women's pants. says "ysl," yves saint laurent, that's where it comes from. >> reporter: painting a sympathetic portrait of the 32-year-old. >> it means to jeffrey something very personal. he would be truly humbled under god. that's what thug means. >> reporter: may 2022, young thug along with rapper gunna and 26 others charged in a swing indictment. sergio kitchens, gunna, known for hits like "drip

d.a. willis bond order through social media posts directed at likely witnesses in the case, including several targeting election worker ruby freeman, who floyd is criminally charged with trying to intimidate. willis says because of and in response to his intimidating, she's been a subject of renewed threats of violence from third parties. joining me is joyce vance, professor at the university of alabama school of law and msnbc legal analyst. joyce, i sort of pride myself on being -- not being able to be surprised by anything anymore, but i have to be honest. it surprises me harrison floyd would be so brazen as to continue to attack ruby freeman. i'm not going to read some of the tweets he's put up, but he seems to be repeat tweeting at her, despite the fact he's charged with trying to intimidate her. make it make sense. is he on his way perhaps back to lock-up? >> i think that there's a good chance that he is. the judge will certainly ask him to explain why these social media posts shouldn't be v

d.a. fani willis herself showed up to make the state's case. and she was incredibly direct. >> the state is requesting so that there's no mistake as to what we're asking that his bond be revoked and he be remanded back into custody for violating three conditions of the bond. >> d.a. willis asked for harrison floyd to be put back in jail for making statements that could intimidate witnesses. ultimately the judge in this case denied that request and instead imposed a broader and stricter order limiting mr. floyd's speech. the judge ordered floyd to thought make any public statements concerning any codefendants or witness and to delete the social media posts where he had made those statements already. but the thing i think is important here is that jail was on the table. harrison floyd is charged with being essentially a pawn in donald trump's larger alleged plot to overturn the results of the 2020 election. and floyd's social media reach is puny compared to trump's massive bully pulpit. nonetheless, jail was on the table and could very much still

i reviewed the 20 page revocation motion filed by d.a. willis.uments a full 15 instances complete with reproductions of his poll cast appearances, his posts, and i have to say, having litigated lots of revocation motions, it couldn't be more clear that he violated the conditions of his release. he clearly threatened some of the witnesses. as but one example and i will not quote the profane part, he posted that two of the known witnesses, brad raffensperger and chief operating officer gabriel sterling are pieces of s and people, quote, should be mad at them. he says directly, brad raffensperger, quote, is about to go through some things. those are threats by any interpretation of those posts. >> yeah, that sounds look a threat to me. for sure. blayne, we don't have a trial date, right, for this georgia case? any update there? >> reporter: nothing has been set, but the d.a. has proposed a trial date of august 5th, 2024. that's something we're talking about late next year. trump's attorney pushed back and said he doesn't agree with that trial date a

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d.a. fani willis saying today? >> reporter: for the first time today willis giving "the washington post" her estimate of when she might be able to bring her sprawling rico case to trial, the case filed against former president trump and some of his allies. take a listen to when she expectations to complete this. >> i believe in that case there will be a trial, i believe the trial will take many months. and i don't expect that we will conclude until the winter or the early part of 2025. >> reporter: prosecutors have said they expect that case to last between four and six months. if you look at the calendar for 2024, it's pretty crowded and you can't find a chunk of time that large until later in the year. willis said she does not take into consideration the election calendar, but the fact is many of those are not election events, they are other criminal trials. the calendar doesn't free up until later 2024, which is why she likely expects to bring this trial late next year and possibly into 2025. >> interesting. pau

. >> d.a. willisd about the possible timing of the trial here, i think this case would be on appeal for years, but i believe in that case there will be a trial. it will take many months. i don't expect we'll conclude under the winter or the early part of 2025. what is your reaction to that? >> i come from a school of shorter is better. while i recognize there are many defendants here, i think one as just a trial strategy matter streamline. and also, you know, i'm not saying that they're right, but it will give -- it will give momentum to the argument that this is interfering with an election if it goes through that time period. >> although, donald trump would very much like to have it extended to 2025 on the hopes he is re-elected and can do something about it. we're not quite sure. mimi rocah, thank you for helping me understand just how bad and also strong some of this is. we have lots more to get to tonight. >>> tens of thousands of people gathered in d.c. today to march for israel, but what that s

. >> in her motion d.a. willisease of these confidential video recordings is clearly intended to the intim witnesses in days subjecting them to harassment and threats prior to trial. she told a "the washington post" live forum the leaks were not surprising but disappointing. >> i'm not happy that that it was released and the junior colleague got to do the story. >> we don't always agree. >> to prevent further leaks willis wants to require attorneys and defendants to view controversial recordings in the d.a.'s office and prohibit them from leaving with copies. former president trump's lead counsel tells fox news suffice it to say we are opposed to the prosecution's intention to restrict full discovery of video proffers well, the former president did score a major victory in another stateful. a judge in michigan overturned a case to remove mr. trump from the primary ballot based on a provision in the 1st amendment that bars anyone involved with insurrection holding public office. >> a number of states looking to do t

nonsense line of inquiry being pursued and this is the type of bogus, ridiculous evidence that d.a. willis intends to rely upon, it is one more reason that this political travesty of a case must be dismissed." the former president, meanwhile, is taking advantage of a pause in the gag order against him in the federal election interference case. trump posted on social media yesterday that special counsel jack smith and the u.s. deputy attorney general would be institutionalized if he is re-elected president next year. the former president wrote they were suffering from trump derangement syndrome. the gag order against him in the federal election case is on hold at least until next monday. that's when an appeals court is set to hear arguments from trump's legal team on why that order should be removed. trump will play this off as he was joking, but, again, he's telling us what he would do if he were back in power. >>> meanwhile, special counsel jack smith's office is arguing geps having cameras in the courtroom during trump's upcoming federal election interference trial saying the former pres

he was handling, and so obviously i think even though steps pale in comparison to what d.a. willis and her team i currently having to deploy to protect their safety. and so while it is an unfortunate part of the job, i think the key thing here is that these charges, this indictment, one, will hold the person accountable, and obviously the person is innocent until proven guilty. but accountability is important because that then leads to a deterrent effect. so what do you want is these types of threats to stop. and one of the ways that you do that is holding people accountable who actually make them. >> andrew, we've seen the deterrent effect among potentially violent trump supporters after the january 6th prosecutions swooped down on these people. donald trump begged them to show up in manhattan for his first indictment, and they did not show up. and the two dozen people who did were not even slightly violent. same thing in florida, same thing in georgia. nothing. and it appears as though that massive federal prosecution of those hundreds of trump supporters for january 6th as had s

d.a. fani willis as well. she said her case against trump could stretch into winter, and then early 2025. just to be clear, for anybody paying attention, that would of course be likely post-inauguration of a new president, which could be donald trump if he wins. so, what does this actually mean? >> well, you might recall that when the case was first brought, i said that i didn't believe that case could go to trial until 2025. and if trump is elected, there is a significant issue about whether the state court can proceed against him and if it's in the middle of proceeding as to whether they cawith him as t. the federal rule, which is only a policy, it's not in the constitution, it's not a statute, is that you cannot prosecute, you can't indict or prosecute a sitting president during his term. there is no law yet on what the state's rights are in those circumstances. but i think it's likely that a court may rule that they'd have to wait until the end of his term to finish the prosecution of it. >> and what about

what they tell us about the fraud case facing donald trump is really the question and who d.a. willis is blaming for this leak. let's start with the latest developments here, vaughn. what more do we know about the d.a.'s emergency filing? >> this is kind of in realtime here. we know this hearing is going to be tomorrow afternoon at 1:30 p.m. in front of the judge and televised. so this emergency motion from the district attorney came after the release over the last 20 hours of those four videos. 19 defendants. four of them have entered plea agreements so far. as part of those plea agreements, they sat with prosecutors, filmed and provided what had to be truthful and accurate statements to prosecutors. now each of those videos was given to defendants and their attorneys as part of the discovery of evidence process here so that the defense attorneys for the defendts those who have not entered plea agreements, know what they're defending their clients on. now the district attorney is looking for an emergency motion here to keep any evidence that is obtained by the defendants from being p

>> first and foremost, the fact the d.a. willisandled it herself demonstrates to me that she is taking the protection of her witnesses, the protection of her team, and the integrity of this case very seriously and wants to ensure that the judge does as well. >> harry litman, this is two days in a row this week where we are in hearings about what criminal defendants, whether be donald trump or a codefendant of his, can say about witnesses and prosecutors and codefendants in the case. >> i think that's right. i actually think donald trump was the unseen presence in the courtroom today. as gwen says, it is very noteworthy and unusual for the head of the office to step up and handle it personally. i think she was basically communicating, if defendants intimidate witnesses, they're going to get their bail revoked, and guess who that might be referring to. i think mcafee himself, he said there was violation here but i'm not going to revoke. i think he was also thinking of that prospective motion and not wanting to be botched boxed in. so

d.a. fani willis makes a stunning allegation, telling the court interviews with some of her key witnesses were intentionally leaked by the defense. the goal, she says, intimidation, harassment and threats. now she's calling on judge scott mcafee to step in. >>> we have been watching the overwhelming show of support for israel on the national mall in washington, one speaker telling the crowd that the purpose is to show the world that jewish people, quote, have the right to live. >>> it is a very busy day. but we begin on capitol hill, where tensions within the republican party intensified and are now boiling over with just three days and ten hours left to avert a government shutdown. republican tim burchett, who voted to remove kevin mccarthy as speaker, is accusing mccarthy of giving him a deliberate push while he was giving an interview. >> kevin mccarthy elbowed me in the kidneys as he walked by and it kind of caught me off guard. >> you felt it was on purpose and not an accident? >> absolutely on purpose, ma'am. 435 members of congress, eight of us voted against him, i'm the one who ge

d.a. willisposed to the court an august 5th 2024 trial date that could put trump on trial through the 2024 presidential election and possibly into 2025. but john eastman pushing back on this timeline, asking for a faster trial for himself and others. arguing in a new filing that quote, defendants that do not have lifetime secret service protection can exercise and have their right to a jury trial completed within 2024. joining me now is neil, former acting u.s. solicitor general and melissa murray. so psyched to have both of you here. i was just talking with the ep of the show and we agree. there is a buffet of trump legal from which we can now choose. neil, let's start with your reaction to trump's latest filing arguing against the gag order being reinstated. >> we're like in las vegas with an all you can eat buffet at every corner as far as i can tell. i mean, look. some people celebrate thanksgiving by being grateful. unsurprisingly, donald trump celebrates it by continuing his hateful attacks

d.a. fani willis speaking at a "washington post" event yesterday, making it clear she's not happy about this to see it happen again. essentially reading between the lines, if it wasn't her team, it had to be one of the defense attorneys who put it out. as for what else we're going to see today, chris. one thing we're also watching for is according to a motion filed by the attorney for harrison floyd, one of the 15 remaining co-defendants, the attorneyelieves that the person or persons responsible for actually leaking those videos will fess up to it today in court. it's still not determined whether or not we're going to see some sort of courtroom confession. we also don't know what floyd's attorney is basing that prediction on, but certainly that would be a major development. it will be very interesting to see if that does in fact take place when this hearing gets underway. >> we know it's expected to start anytime. so carol, what will the parameters be? what does a judge look at when deciding whether to grant a protective order in a case like this? >> right. in this case there was no existin

but also today, d.a. willise also requested a final plea date be set for june 21st, 2024. after the final plea date, the defendants will only have the option of not negotiated please. i'm just reading this directly. the state intends to recommend maximum sentences that any remaining sentencing hearings. it sounds like she setting a deadline for play deals for trump, and other remaining codefendants. why was that important to include in today's filing, why was it there? >> she really wants to help ramp up the pressure in towards pushing that could be a real date. but she doesn't want to have happen is more delays going on. she really wants to do is, of course, get more people to flip. so by saying this is it, the game of musical chairs is ending. i'm calling it quits at a certain time. she's hoping that will really pressure some people to come forward. >> shannon, from colorado to every legal case facing trump, around the world, and back again, thank you so much for joining me this evening. it's great to see you.

d.a. fani willis. she is seeking an august 5th trial date for donald trump and 14 other defendants in the case. that's less than a month after the republican national convention and just three months before election day. just hours ago tonight, a judge in colorado rejected a bid to keep donald trump off the 2024 ballot. that challenge is based on s effort to overturn the 2020 election results, when they just said, trump did engage in insurrection. with that, let's bring in our lead off panel to get smarter. jon allen is here, senior national politics reporter for nbc. we annie linksey, is also here, white house reporter for the white house journal. and former new york prosecutor and attorney charles coleman, who i believe, it must be founders day for the -- hence the sweater. charles, we'll start with you, happy founders day. let me start with the news out of colorado. here is the secretary of state reacting to the judge's decision to keep trump on the ballot. >> having the court say that the former pr

again, the prosecutor d.a. willisng everything that she should to protect the integrity of the case, as well as the safety of her victim. this is a motion you may see in any prosecution, where you have some type of terror or intimidation. so, i'm not surprised that she filed it. we'll see what the judge can do, but i do think that the judge's decision in this case will be about the weather for the other 14 defendants. >> andrew weissmann, every single item that the district in kearney included in this large package of fences, attorney to the terms of the bond is a very clear. they are all very clear violations. now, it's a question of what is the judge going to do about it? >> that's right, and it's important to know that the judge does have things that he can do short of remanding the defendant and sending him to jail. i do think though that the bigger picture here when i was reading this, as much as there is very clear evidence of direct or indirect communications and intimidating statements, both of which are prohi

if fani willis were here right now, d.a. willismerican public how long it took your office when you were an assistant d.a. to try the case. the answer is years. and that's the issue here. how long will this take. jury selection in and of itself with let's say upwards of five defendants going to trial should take a matter of multiple months, and we should all be prepared for that. >> greg, i understand there's some news breaking regarding one of the codefendants in the trial, harrison floyd, what can you tell us? >> yeah, the fulton county district attorney's office has asked to revoke harrison floyd's bond. we're just getting that legal motion just a few minutes ago for allegedly sending tweets that would violate the order of his bond. the outlines of his bond that were harassing to potential witnesses. we're not sure exactly the scope of the tweets yet. the order just came in. he has been very active on his twitter account. he has about 25,000 or so followers on x, and he's been very active on it. there's a lot of social media pos

d.a. fani willis warning it could take more than a year until the racketeering case against the former president allies could wrap up. if you're keeping track at home, that would be after the presidential election. so what does it mean for the case and trump's presidential aspirations? back with us to discuss is john avlon and sara fineburg. we talk about the calendar. and how often he's going to be in court versus how often he'll be on the trail and whether will thereby any resolution. what's your take? >> i i think it ignores the practical reality that donald trump is running for president, in lashlg part, to say out of prison. we need to say that stuff out loud. you think about the number of people clustered around him who would benefit from pardons from a sit ting president, including himself and his family. all the januaryth folks he's pledged to pardon. you say this racketeering investigation into an attempt to overthrow the election won't be done until after the presidential election, that has all sorts of assumptions baked in. otherwise, even though it's a state case a lot of the stuff g

d.a. fani willis showed up to personally argue the case.t happens, next. >>> >>> he's accused of attempting to target witnesses on social media posts and in other comments. that's not donald trump, it's his co-defendant in the fulton county election racketeering case. harrison floyd, that's his name. and the judge today declined to trail him but set his bond agreement should be modified now to include more specific restrictions. which did not sit well with dea fani willis. >> it was given an opportunity to cooperate with the rules of his. case and what he'll be doing -- and refused to oblige by that conditions. we are really here to decide today, does this order mean something or not. but he doesn't give and, oh i'm sorry, after i'm already intimidated the witnesses in this case. it's too late. >> the judge called it a technical violation, going on to say, quote, not every violation compels verification. we'll be watching that case. and thank you all for watching. our live coverage continues in just a moment. >>> hello, and welcome. i'm pau

d.a. fani willis has accused the former president and 19 others of racketeering and 2020 election interference. there is a reaction of the leak showing defendants who cut deals speak to go investigators, and they were part of a plea deal for attorneys jim ellis, sidney powell, ken chesebro. nick, the hearing just ended. what happened? >> reporter: prosecutors and defense attorneys have agreed in principle to a protective order where prosecutors will have to designate what they believe is sensitive materials in the pretrial discovery material and defense attorneys will have 14 days to respond. i should mention the judge here, judge mcafee, hasn't yet made a ruling from the bench and today was no different. listen to him talk about what a protective order could look like in this case. >> the state originally proposed what i would characterize as a blanket, umbrella protective order, anything and everything that is turned over that wasn't already public or part of the defense file was going to be held under seal. whereas my reading of mr. schaefer's proposed order is there is going to be this int

d.a. fani willis and her reputation ahead of the coming trump trial, and also the state's controversial decisionuse rap lyrics as evidence. this is a decision to draw fierce criticism where many of the critics have said it is a violation of the free speech, and violation of artistic expression and specifically black art. they are saying that you would not see the country lyrics of pop music lyrics being put up in court, so that is a big sticking point right there. on day three, the prosecutors called the first expert witness to the stand detective mark belknap how they had their own dress codes and gang signs. and young thug is accused of leading this street gang the ysl, and leading more than 80 acts, and it is the six defendants including young thug, and the charges are murder, armed robbery, carjacking and drug sales and among the more serious charges that young thug is specifically facing is renting a car to commit murder games at rival gang member. here is more sound from young thug's defense brian steel and what he said. >> he is not running this criminal street gang in cleveland avenue ar

d.a. fani willis who is looking at this case. everyone said how she can try this one.but it's different. because it's like there are states like or new york, that you shouldn't have use wrap lives to get someone in prison. that's the artistry. >> if that's true martin score says he should be in jail for 10 million years. if arnold short seiko was the governor, he should be in jail for 10,000 years. >> why should arnold be in jail? >> because this guy killed 10,000 people in movies. i'm telling you i idolized and used 30 years of my life in music just telling stories. how can be charged for your imagination? >> one of the things prosecutors say to joe and help me with this, they say the things that he wrapped about have actually happened. that's one of the arguments. >> if you're a gangster rap, whatever wrapping about happens in every intercity and if you can make it close, nothing you can use that to your advantage. the truth is, if you really want to put these gentlemen in jail and they are really criminals, use real evidence, he's real facts. >> but they are saying

d.a. fani willis just asked the judge to jail another co-defendant in the fulton county case over tweets. >> that's exactly right. harrison floyd, the defendant whose lawyers initially claimed responsibility. this is the first time that the district attorney has asked someone to be essentially jailed so far in this case. now harrison floyd is interesting because he's also the only defendant who has spent time in jail so far in this case. he was in jail for about a week after he was charged until they were able to come to a bond agreement. now he is the leader of an organization called black voices for trump, and he's pleaded not guilty to three state felonies, and he has largely charged in connection to his alleged role to try to intimidate people, including some poll workers. now prosecutors point to statements that he's made, mostly on social media, that appear to intimidate election workers saying, look, this is a violation of your bond agreement and they are asking for him to be incarcerated. it's an important remind their in many ways this case is not only being tried in the courtroo

the crux of the case, but this is the same crime donald trump was charged with and the same d.a., fani williswho's looking the this case and saying, how are they going to figure out the rest? but it's different, there are towns in new york saying, you shouldn't use rap lyrics. >> it's the truth. martin scorsese should be in jail 10,000 years. arnold arnold schwarzenegger. >> why should arnold schwarzenegger. >> he killed people in movies. how can you be charged for your imagination? >> one of the things prosecutors say, they say the things that he rapped about actually happened. that's one of the arguments -- >> if you're a gangster rapper, whatever you're rapping about happens in every inner city, and if you can make it close enough you can use that to your advantage. the truth is, if you really want to put these gentleman in jail, and they're real criminals, use real evidence, real facts. >> but they're saying i could have rapped about it, but that doesn't mean i did it. >> exactly. >> you ever felt compromised as far as like, ever worried? >> no, because, you know, mine's don't add up. min

kim now, the fulton county d.a., fani willis, said today, this trial may not conclude until early 2025r to voters in your state, and in the country, to have the fate of trump basically decided after the election? >> listen, i am going to allow the judicial process to do what it does. i respect that process. i respect the d.a. of fulton county as she does her work. and i am going to remain on the people, focus on the people of georgia. including the bill that i was talking about today on this world diabetes day. >> speaking of exactly that, there is a lot going on on capitol hill, some of it not so good. but this is an example of bipartisanship. you and your colleague senator jon kennedy just released a represents report today on insulin desert. cesar areas with high rates of uninsured people, and high rates of diabetes, more than 800 insulin deserts. you say they are across the country. what are you proposing to address this issue? >> that's right, today on world diabetes day, i released a report with my partner in this effort, jon kennedy of louisiana, that focuses on what we are call

writing in part if this is the nonsense line of inquiry being pursued and this is the bogus evidence d.a. willisely upon, it is one more reason that this political travesty of a case must be dismissed. during his interview with prosecutor, kenneth chesebro testified he was aware of the so-called fake elector scheme. according to "the washington post," he offered advice on assembling alternate slates of electors in key battleground states to cast ballots for trump in states joe biden won during the 2020 election. nbc news reached out for attorneys for chesebro, ellis, powell and scott hall have not heard back. former president trump and the other 14 remaining co-defendants in this case pled not guilty. savannah. >> thank you, garrett. >>> 7:15. craig joins the table. hey, craig, good morning. >> good morning to you as well. we are getting the newest read on inflation this morning, and it could determine whether americans will face even more interest rate hikes. nbc's tom costello is covering this one for us. tom, what do we know? >> reporter: yeah, craig, good morning. the consumer price index is

is the nonsense line of inquiry being pursued and this is the type of bogus, ridiculous evidence d.a. willis intends to rely upon, it is one more reason that this political travesty of a case must be discussed. that comes from an attorney for donald trump. let's bring in barbara mcquade, correspondent vaughn hillyard, and the host of "way too early," politico's jonathan lemire. vaughn, you've been covering this very closely. it is striking to see these two attorneys, these two women who were so brash during the 2020 election with their claims of a stolen election, being humbled now that the law caught up to them and they've cut a deal with prosecutors. >> what is so striking is to see these two on video saying this. this is the part that i keep coming back to. i was at trump's counterrally to the debate last week down in miami there. folks to this day, i mean, one gentleman telling me that he's locked and loaded, ready to go, a hot civil war in his words. it's because of people like jenna ellis and sidney powell. sidney powell standing there after presser after presser, suggesting she was go

d.a. fani willis is asking a judge to revoke the bond of the man you see here, harrison floyd. the defendants, and she wants to put him in jail. now, the y is interesting. they are saying that what he has done is that he has engaged in behavior to intimidate codefendants and witnesses. in one example, they laid out a social media post where floyd calls out of the georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. and in another post, it shows floyd questioning why his legal team was accused of leaking materials and referring to false claims about election worker. and that election worker is ruby freeman, who once again is caught in the middle. she and her daughter were targeted by trump with bogus fraud, fraud allegations in the past. speaking of those leaks from the fulton county judge, blocking the release of sensitive evidence after key video statements when other defendants got out. and now, the attorney for a separate defendant -- i know it's a mess -- he's owning up to it. jonathan miller, representing former coffee county elections supervisor, misty hampton saying here sayin

d.a. fani willis and a fulton county sheriff for their roles in the prosecution of former president trump, the man pleaded not guilty. also this week in georgia another man made his appearance in federal court. he allegedly said he wanted to shoot greene in the bleeping head and threatened her family. on tuesday the building housing the office of the kansas secretary of state was evacuated because of a letter cop taping a suspicious substance. that followed a number of similar incidents over the past few weeks in which letters containing white powder including in some cases fentanyl were sent to election offices in five states, georgia, california, oregon, and washington. at least one of those letters reportedly came with the message, end elections now. and all of this stuff is just this week's news. a red flag signaling that a democracy is in trouble is when violence begins encroaching on the political space. and boy, that is a lot of red flags. >>> coming up, one of trump's four criminal trials appears destined to be delayed until after the 2024 election. we're going to tell you which on

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d.a. fani willis asked a judge to revoke the bond agreement for one of trump's codefendants, harrison floyd, citing his recent comments on social media and on podcast that she made amounted to a pattern, that she says amounts to a pattern of intimidation towards codefendants and witnesses. how likely is it that floyd could end up back in jail? >> eventually possible. but i think that it will look much like what happens when the president, and the president violates a gag order. which first, it is a smaller punishment, a slap on the wrist, a monetary fine. and then eventually, if the violations escalate in the case of the gag order, or in the case of this defendant who has been making some troubling statements on social media, podcasts, then you could potentially see the bonjour vote, or the case of the gag order, to finish up the analogy, you could potentially see someone jailed for that. i don't think that's where we're going. but that is the nuclear option that is of course what the district attorney is asking for here. >> hayes, floyd has attacked witnesses in this case, like janet ellis

d.a. fani willis and -- with us now california democratic congressman robert garcia, he serves on the house committee. congressman, so much to get to. but this -- of the first amin meant, the way stefanik would want people to understand the first amendment. the way donald trump would like people to understand the first amendment, seems like the basis they are forming for his reelection. 100, percent of these definable take anything it takes to be picked as his vice presidential. spent all her time defending donald trump and doing what she can to intimidate the courtroom as well as she's been doing already within the house trying to get his agenda enacted and go after his enemies. so they have no regard for the judicial process. this should be a serious process and donald trump is out there attacking this judge and, quite frankly, all court officials, every single day. the things he saying are beneath any person, let alone a major candidate for the presidency. so the first amendment is one thing but you also can't put people in danger and what his words are doing are actually putting people

d.a. fani willis. some have already accepted plea agreements and are now even cooperating with prosecutors. in an op-ed published last week, a trio of respected conservative lawyers, including george conway, retired federal judge michael luttig, and former congresswoman barbara comstock, called attention to this very problem in the legal profession. they write that many of their conservative colleagues appeared to have been led astray and they're alarmed by it. writing, quote, the growing crowd of drifters, frauds, and conman willing to subvert the constitution and long estaished constitutional principles for the whims of political expediency, the actions of these conservative republican lawyers are increasingly becoming the new normal. now, i've been skeptical of recent efforts to use the 14th amendment to disqualify donald trump from the ballot because even if those efforts are successful, it doesn't solve the problem. see, you are only getting rid of trump, not getting rid of trumpism. that's the ro

d.a. fani willis was referring to today is the washington post reporting on the proffer agreements, effectivelyfessions, from some of trump's codefendants to accept a plea deals in georgia's election interference case. from what we have seen and red, there are both colorful details and substantive revelations, and the colorful category, the fact that sydney powell's first time meeting codefendant scott hall happen to be on an alligator hunt. as for substantive, president trump asked kenneth just burrow for a five questions about the matter of arizona. and chesebro described for trump's memo on the fake elector scheme. there was also a coup plot revealed to jenna ellis at a white house christmas party. this is what she told prosecutors about a conversation she had with tom's trump's top aide, dan scavino. >> he said an excited tone, we don't care, and we're not going to leave. i said, what do you mean, and he said, well, the boss, meaning president trump. the boss is not going to leave under any circumstances. we are just going to stay in power. i said to him, it is not quite work that way, reli

d.a. fani willis said in a motion that she signed herself yesterday that because he has been violating the agreement, she wants to put him back in jail. basically he has been tweeting, according to the d.a.'s office mentioning the secretary of state, brad raffensperger, things that the d.a.'s office says amount to witness intimidation. speakingutn a number of ways that are not allowed under the terms of his bond agreement. it's also certainly the d.a. sending a larger message to the other 14 remaining co-defendants that if they do violate the terms of this agreement that she won't hesitate to take some sort of action, ana. >> joyce, prosecutors say floyd's actions amounted to intentional and flagrant violations. what should happen here? >> so it's a really interesting question because this conduct obviously mirrors what we've seen from donald trump. the difference is that this defendant is not running for the white house, so his first amendment rights to political speech are a little bit different. i think it's uncomfortable for us to acknowledge that donald trump gets some special treatme