we have damian wilson, he is a former european parliament communications adviser, and in our slow we crossed england deezen. he is a professor at the university of southeastern norway as well as author of the new book, europe as the western peninsula of greater eurasia. right gentlemen, cross off rules and effect, that means you can jump in any time you want, and i always appreciate damien, let me go to you 1st in london. reflect upon the words of they were french president, we have to, europeans have to stop being naive. now we've heard this argument about european defense before over and over again. is it bring is it doesn't have more meaning now in life of recent events, or is this just bluster and europe? will this continue down the path that it's been on for the last few decades? go ahead in london. well, peter, i think that term that europe has long had never taught for having its own military force. one of the, the key stomach books to that ever being realized in the past was obviously the, the presence of great britain, which, which never liked the idea. it's interesting now