what do you think of that from dan kildee. i was struck by what he said. >> i am too and i agreed with what he said. republicans are not fighting back or not even telling the truth. >> i agree with you, bill. thank you for saying it that way. it is not that hard. >> think of mike pence, what would mike pence -- mike pence could have said wait a second, i ratified the electoral college counts and that's what i am supposed to do that's what we need to do to have the t transition of power in this country which tragically we didn't have on january 6th. he can go praise donald trump's policies and say other nice things if he feels like he has to. just saying that, ex pplaining y he did the right thing could have an influence. if mike pence - yeah, you know that's a good point. that's not so great of what happened on january 6th and trump really did lose the election. you can't have a big lie going forward and justifying all kinds of bad things over the next few years if it is allowed to go forward. again, it did not occur to mike p

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. >> joining me now is democratic congressman dan kildee of michigan. to break in. he says he has suffered symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder since then. congressman kildee, thanks for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to get your reaction to this meeting in which leader mccarthy apparently refused to publicly disavow or denounce some of these crazy conspiracy theories that members of the republican party are spewing. >> it's really disappointing. and what i have to assume, based on what i've seen and other things that republican members have said to me, is that these members of congress, these republicans, have decided they're going to go with it. they're going to benefit from that 30% or whatever the number is that somehow believes that donald trump had this election taken from him, some of whom believe he's going to be reinstated in august, this weird theory that they have. but what kevin mccarthy seems to be doing is warming himself from the fire that these people set. he may not be responsible for the insurrection, but that

let's bring in democrat michigan congressman dan kildee.coming out of the last serious recession, the great recession so far. many say that it was those tax hikes that slowed our recovery, and it was one of the slowest recoveries on record. are you worried that the same could happen if we raise taxes coming out of this recession? >> well, what i'm worried about is, first of all, we have to have tax fairness. there are a couple of elements to the tax discussion. one is the issue of raising revenue for the necessary investments that we need to make to have a 21st century infrastructure and if a competition that requires it. the other is tax fairness. we always have to be concerned about any sort of overcorrection. but i don't think most americans, if they looked at the effective rate of the tax code on the highest income earners, would believe that the tax code is fair -- david: well, let me just talk about fairness for a second, because it's a legitimate concern that a lot of people have. i but i i went back to the numbers from 2018, the tax