we also heard from another eye witness, daniel slovinsky.sion. >> i heard some pops. i just assumed it was fireworks like most other people. contrary to what you might expect, there wasn't a whole lot of chaos immediately. i didn't hear any screaming. a few people were running, most other people didn't know why. it wasn't really until police started yelling at people to get inside that we realized that something big went down. but even then, people didn't really know what. so i think robert is really right when he said there's just a lot of confusion rather than panic. i didn't even -- sorry, go ahead. >> no, go ahead. >> i didn't really figure out exactly what happened until i started talking with some of the eye witnesses myself, such as robert. >> so you were talking to robert. what were you saying and what did you see once things started to clear up and you were getting a picture of maybe how many people had been shot or how expansive the crime scene is? >> well, yeah, the first thing we were trying to figure out is how many people were