let me bring in nbc legal analyst danny cevallos. danny, this is not usual, what we're seeing here. this is one of the most high profile murders we have seen in new york city. talk about what he's going to face once he gets off a chopper, and goes over to the courthouse. >> exactly right. and that heliport is not too far from the southern district of new york. what we have now is two multifederal and state prosecutions. he's going to go over for his first appearance, he has a criminal complaint filed against him. and in the federal system, a criminal complaint is really ultimately just a s place holde. something that the government files knowing they have 30 days in which to obtain an indictment. that means they have to present the case to a grand jury within that time. and meanwhile, there is a simultaneous new york state criminal case moving forward. and, in fact, a third case, a pennsylvania criminal case which is a distant third and likely will be paused completely while these new york federal and state criminal proceedings move forward. >> i also want to bring in msnbc legal co

let's bring in legal analyst danny cevallos. not waiving extradition, bail denied.w? >> extradition is going to happen. the uniform extradition act requires that the governor must turn over a fugitive to the requesting state, which in this case is new york. although because pennsylvania has charged him with their own crimes, the lead charge being an f-2 forgery and an f-3 firearms charge, in theory, pennsylvania could keep him, but they're not going do that. it's up to the governor. governor shapiro will surely turn him over to new york, but the defendant himself can put up a fight. he can file what's called a writ of habeas corpus if he wants to oppose extradition. he can challenge the legality of his detention, but this is going to happen one way or another, which is why most folks will waive extradition. you saw it in bryan kohberger, who was also apprehended in rural pennsylvania. waive extradition, get back to the requesting state and start the case, because i'm sure his attorneys told him it's a foregone conclusion, extradition is going to happen. >> danny cev

chloe milas was first to report about this lawsuit and also with us legal analyst danny cevallos.is statement, sean carter is accusing the woman's attorney of blackmail. what else is he saying and how is the attorney responding? >> reporter: kate, jay-z's response is truly unprecedented. i've been an entertainment reporter for nearly 20 years. jay-z is a very private person. this was a very lengthy statement. you read part of it. i want to read some more. he says i implore you to file a criminal complaint, not a civil one. whoever would commit such a crime against a minor should be locked away. he talked about the fact that some of his children, meaning blue ivy carter, are old enough to read the news and know about what's happening in the media and he and beyonce have to sit down with their children and talk about the allegations being made against him. on the flip side, you have tony busby the civil litigator in houston saying demand letters get sent all the time. i didn't extort him or ask for money. i just tried to have mediation with him and then jay-z filed an anonymous suit

they're the government. >> danny cevallos, steven romo.re investigating a chaotic scene over the weekend where a driver crashed into a mall. this happened saturday in kaline, texas. police say officers shot and killed a man after he drove his pick-up truck into that jcpenney store. joining me now nbc correspondent jesse kirsch. this started with a police chase. how did it end up with a pick-up truck going into a mall and shots s fired by officers? >> reporter: authorities tell us they received a report from someone on a roadway, someone driving erratically. police tried to pull someone over for a possible dwi. we're told that allegedly sped up and drove into a mall parking lot and drove into a doors of that jcpenney. glass according to authorities the individual continued to drive for several hundred yards and in the process struck multiple people ranging from children to those in their 70s. at least one person in their 70s. the injuries minor to severe. thankfully none of these innocent bystanders were killed. authorities seeing this driv

. >> leading us off om pennsylvania, george solis and onset nbc news legal analyst danny cevallos. we have these two new pieces of evidence. we're learning more about a notebook as well found with mangione. walk us through what we learned today. >> reporter: yeah, kate. obviously the gun being a huge part of this investigation. inside of a spiral notebook, they said they found some writings from mangione, giving us a clearer glimpse at a potential motive. they said he wrote, what do you do, you whack the ceo at the annual parasitic bean counter convention. it's targeted, precise and doesn't risk innocence. authorities say he sort of debated on whether or not to use a gun or some type of explosive or incendiary device saying he chose the gun to lower the risk to other people in the area. this is all accocording to sours familiar with the investigation, giving us insight into how luigi mangione may have been trying to carry out this targeted attack. we saw him in court at the blair county courthouse with that outburst and then he remained quiet as he answered questions from the prose

joining us is mike memoli and in studio danny cevallos.hat do we know about how the president came to this decision? >> the white house said he made this decision this week end after spending the thanksgiving holiday in nantucket, but numbers news is reporting this was something he had not taken off the table as recently as june just days after his son was convicted of that first gun case, but two dates that are significant in driving this ultimate final decision, one is the election of donald trump in november. there was concern including we heard from the white house directly on this that the president's political opponents would continue to seek -- to investigate hunter biden going forward including a trump-led justice department, but then also those two sentencing dates that were looming on december, on the 12th and the 16th, the president making this decisions now spare his son from the appearances and all that comes with it. >> the special counsel who brought these charges against hunter has issued a new filing in the california case

. >> reporter: nbc news legal analyst danny cevallos is a practicing criminal defense attorney in new york. >> sometimes the only option for the defense attorney is put the government to its burden, make them prove their case and hope they make a mistake. >> reporter: when mangione will be moved to new york to face charges there is unclear. tonight he's locked down in this pennsylvania prison. he eats three meals per day, taking all of them in his cell, a 15 by 6 foot concrete box like this with a bed, sink, toilet, desk and a window with no access to tv for now. no word on if mangione's family has been able to see him. but two sources familiar with the matter tell nbc news, authorities spoke with his mother the night before he was arrested showing her photos of the suspect. his mother acknowledging that it could be her son. >> and priscilla joins me now from outside the pennsylvania prison where mangione is being held. we're seeing support for mangione's defense online? >> reporter: yes. there is an online fundraiser that already raised more than $100,00000. that support expressed by

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. >> as always, my friend danny cevallos, let me take off the glasses and talk to a lawyer on a saturdayf pardons and commuted hundreds of sentences this week as he prepares to leave office. while president-elect donald trump says he's going to pardon most of the people accused of or convicted in january 6th insurrection on his way in the door. this is just in his first minutes as president. >>> plus, what trump's pick to lead the civil rights division at the department of justice tells us about how trump plans to do business in his second term in office. >>> and the pulitzer prize winner creator of the 1619 project nikole hannah-jones will join me on set in new york to discuss what the future of journalism looks like in a new trump era. another hour of "velshi" starts right after a quick break. dad: a perfect day with the family! shingles doesn't care. but shingrix protects! only shingrix is proven over 90% effective. shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. shingrix doesn't protect everyone and isn't for those with severe allergic reactions to its in

. >> danny cevallos.aughn, the issue that was raised by the appellate is about a conflict of interest between the d.a. and special prosecutor, not the merits of the allegations in this case, how did the court explain the decision? >> reporter: right, there's a disagreement between the initial judge who was overseeing this case and timately determined that willis would be able to say as long as nathan wade, the special prosecutor resigned and left the case, that's what led to the appeal from now president-elect trump's team and this georgia appeals court making the determination that, that the appearance of a conflict of interest was so high and so paramount to this case that it required her to be dismissed and disqualified from overseeing it. in the appeals court decision, while we recognizing a appearance of improp ryety generally is not enough to -- this can be appealed to the georgia supreme court. so we should note the appeals court made the decision to not toss the indictment in its entirety against

for more on the litany of trump cases from this year i'm now joined by my friend, my colleague, danny cevallosrney, an msnbc analyst, and here with me to break this all down. you already know what time it is. the glasses are coming off. >> can i try these on? >> you might go blind. it hinds my super human x-ray vision. so here's the deal, your biggest surprise from this litany of case, i said literally on the same program a year ago literally new year's eve i said, you know, donald trump's almost like the ginger bread man when it comes to these cases. he somehow got out of all of them, at least it appears that way. you'd be surprised. >> yeah, the biggest surprise -- i say surprise but, you know, as lawyers we live in the upside down in court. the most unexpected things happen. you never know what a jury is going to do. if you would have asked me a year ago i would have said and i did say on your show the weakest case -- this is probably where you and i disagree, the case that shouldn't have been brought against trump is the new york hush money case. when you talk about the other cases pending

joining us is lisa rubin and danny cevallos, msnbc legal analysts.e federal prosecutors, how did they land on these new charges? >> first of all, there are only certain charges the federal government can bring, for the most part murder is something usually prosecuted by state positives but there are exceptions and what is the statute that allows for the prosecution of murder with a firearm because the regulation of firearms historically has fallen to the federal government because it is an exercise of the commerce clause powers, to regulate interstate commerce. as for the other charges, some of them seem like an overreach the two stalking charges in order to commit stalking, under the federal statute, one of the things you have to do is, the victim has to know and have fear inside it in them. given what we know so far about the interactions between brian thompson and luigi mangione not clear that brian thompson knew he was being followed and not cleared that, except for a split second before he was shot and killed, brian thompson understood he would

we will go now to hs nbc legal analyst danny cevallos. how is this pardon decision going to play in the court of public opinion? >> it's going to play poorly and really it's going to play poorly because of biden's statement not because of the pardon. look, months and months ago i said the president will pardon hunter by then on his last day in office and folks said no, he said he's not going do that. and to that i said yes, but it's his son. he'll commute a sentence and commuting say lesser form of the pardon where you essentially shorten somebody's sentence and usually when they've already served team. let's talk about this. at the time i said no, he's going to get's full pardon. it's his son, and it may not be right, but it's what i would do, it's what you would do and what i believe almost anybody would do. this has been going with the bill clinton pardoning his half brother and pardoning jared kushner's father. the pardon power isn't used as much as it should be, but unfortunately for me as a criminal defense attorney it doesn't make

. >> reporter: nbc news legal analyst danny cevallos a practicing criminal defense attorney in new yorktorney is put the government to its burden, make them prove their case, and hope they make a mistake. >> reporter: when mangione will be moved to new york to face charges there remains unclear. this morning he's locked down in this pennsylvania prison. he eats three meals per day, taking all of them in his cell. a 15 by 6 foot concrete box like this, with a bed, sink, toilet, desk and a window, with no access to tv for now. no word on if mangione's family has been able to see him. but two sources familiar with the matter tell nbc news authorities spoke with his mother the night before he was arrested, showing her photos of the suspect. his mother acknowledging that it could be her son. and, alex, online signs of support for mangione continue to grow. already a fundraising campaign has raised more than $100,000 to aid in his defense. alex? >> it is extraordinary. priscilla, thank you so much. >>> and for all of you in our next hour, a former fbi special agent joins me to talk about what

we want to turn to nbc news legal analyst danny cevallos. danny, good morning. have acknowledged missteps. can you ever solve a crime in those circumstances? >> it is very difficult, especially three decades after a crime is committed. witnesses die. they move away. and, in fact, even the killer may no longer be alive after 30 years. jonbenet's father is 80. people have aged a lot after this and the killer may be gone forever, if he or she is ever identified. it would be virtually impossible to prosecute and actually from a defense perspective, as a defense attorney, i've defended decades old murder case, they're equally as difficult on the defense side. think of it, could any of us track down where we were and what we were doing 28 years ago on a particular day. these cases are difficult on both sides. >> but they keep talking about dna. they want to re-test the dna because there is new technology now. what do you think about going down that road? >> yes, there is massive advances in dna technology in just the last ten years. the old version, i would call it, o

joining us now msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. thanks for being here.sentially saying that she is really concerned about the high publicity in the case and calling the perp walks political. would you be concerned about your client's right to a fair trial if you were standing next to mangione in court? >> of course. that's her sworn duty and all of our sworn duty as defense attorneys. this was a clever bit of pr because arraignments are procedurally important events but in terms of what happens, they're not that exciting. they're just the basics. you're advised of your rights. you enter your not guilty plea. it should only take a few minutes. it was clever of defense counsel to raise this knowing it would be broadcast and it is an effort to soort of fight back at all of the negative pub lis licity the client is getting. generally speaking the traditional rule is don't say anything in public about your client, but sometimes when the media attention is so negative for the client, you have to try and get out there in front of it. it's a tough decision to ma