david axelrod used to run one of them. the details on the brewing scandal. >> [inaudible] sean: the head of that group now breaks his silence. >> the only things we need have a cost we cannot afford. a tax cut. i will cut taxes. cut taxes. that is right. a tax cut for 95% of all working families. sean: mr. president, nobody believes you. warren buffett says we need to come up with the cost. michelle malkin and our great american panel. democrats like barack obama and nancy pelosi have accused concerned citizens of being funded by special interests. they have made those accusations despite having no evidence. now, shocking details have been uncovered that revealed that the people actually profiting from this debate are high-profile members of their own party. that is our headline tonight. conflict of interest. according to an investigation by bloomberg news, a firm with ties to david axelrod has received upwards of $12 million to produce ads supporting the president's health-care plan. the company was headed by him until he

according to an investigation by bloomberg news, close ties to david axelrod has received $12 million to support ads -- to support the president's plan through advertisements. he departed to join the obama administration in 2008. the company still owes him $2 million. and other advertising firm that also received hundreds of millions of dollars on the obama campaign is cashing in on the health care debate as well. that company known as gmmb employes and tumble of -- a number of obama strategist. i am joined by the author of the "culture of corruption". number one times best seller three weeks in a row. congratulations. >> thank you. sean: this story chronicles a lot of what you have in the book. if these firms are closely connected to this debate, there is a clear conflict of interest in my mind. what are your thoughts? >> definitely. this case is a perfect illustration of so many of the things that i hit on in the culture of corruption. bob barack obama and his team have brought to the potomac pay or play politics. some of his firm's have specialized in certain things. here is the po

here is robert gibbs when he was asked if david axelrod is profiting from this campaign. >> is ridiculouse because david started another firm. he left the firm. if i'm not mistaken, he is being paid for the fact that he created it and sold it. i think that someone based on the free market. >> the white house says david axelrod has had no contact with the two groups running the pro health reform ads. they say he is basically honored all the ethics rules and has fully divested himself from the firm and the campaign altogether. brian: yesterday we saw that they have not given up the ghost of getting the republicans involved in some kind of bipartisan health-care insurance reform. do you buy that? >> it is interesting. robert gibbs, after we were talking about the go it alone possibility, he said the president has not given up on bipartisanship. the headlines this morning said the democrats are considering the nuclear option. 51 votes to get the most controversial aspects of health care reform through. the question is, are some democrats basically threatening republicans? you can see some fle

akpd is a firm with close * to david axelrod. they have received more than $12 million to produce ads touting the health care plan. david axelrod joined the obama campaign after working for that firm. he is still owed $2 million. another from cashing in on the debate is known as gmmb. it employs several obama strategists. we have a columnist and kimberly guilfoyle to discuss this. good evening. first of all, david axelrod's family is benefiting from this. the money is being sent over here. is this beyond the appearance of impropriety? >> what happened to "change you can believe in"? this guy is still owed $2 million. if they are not generating capital, how will they pay him the money that they owe him? it is basic. sean: this was written about. is axelrod cashing in on health care change? >> there is an interesting piece in "town hall." the question asked is not so much, will he make money, but is he violating federal law? we need to know more about this a tuition. there is a checklist that he would go through asking, if he did t

david axelrod is a senior adviser to president obama and joins us live from the white house north lawndavid, thanks for being with us this afternoon. >> good to be with you, savannah. >> david, i know the white house is really not commenting on this issue about north korea, but i've got to try to take a crack at you here. did the white house know in advance that this mission was happening, and does president clinton have any authority to speak for the administration? >> this is a, it's a private humanitarian mission on the part of president clinton, savannah. beyond that, i'm not going to comment, because our only interest here is to see to it that these two young women come home safely. and we want the president to have the maximum flexibility to get that job done. >> david, sort of setting aside the issue of the journalist, i wonder if i can ask you if there's any hope within the administration that this kind of meeting might lay the groundwork, might bear some fruit beyond the journalist's plight. >> again, i think that what's happening in north korea is a private humanitarian missi

beginning with reports that presidential advisor david axelrod stand to make a lot of money in the obamae controversy. talking points got into it a little bit. a chicago political consulting firm owes mr. axelrod $2 million. now that company is producing pro-obama health care ads like this one. >> what does health insurance reform mean for you? it means you can't be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition or dropped if you get sick. it means putting health care decisions in the hands of you and your doctor. bill: now, we are willing to give mr. axelrod the benefit of any doubt, but it's an interesting story. joining us from north carolina, fox news analyst bernie goldberg. this is on the internet, on the political sites. i don't think you're going to see it on the "cbs evening news." is it a big story? >> you know what? i don't think it is. i think you and i probably disagree on this. i don't think it's going to resonate with the american people. you remember not that long ago when dick cheney was criticized by the left for taking us to war in iraq so that he and his former company

why is this particular person getting an e-mail from david axelrod about this?eil: even if they have no grievance, some people -- they felt that they were spam on this. neil: regardless of whether it was delivered, accidental, or they were standing on this, where is the government entity in that? >> their on solid ground in terms of the government to advocate positions, even on controversial issues, for example, health care reform. they are allowed to stay their viewpoints and try to reach people, but what they cannot do is get that personal information and compile these lists targeting certain individuals. that is where the privacy issues come into play. it is very similar to some of the things that have been going on. for example, the issue of persistent tracking cookies. you have the aclu expressing concerns that this would involve mass collection of personal and private information that would violate people's rights. these are very serious questions and concerns that must be addressed by the administration. they cannot continue to ignore it because it is som

all the sudden, david axelrod is sending you e-mails. start to wonder if you are in the white house database. trace: he said, pass this along. maybe somebody i know got it and send it to everybody he knew. could those who sent this thing along? is it fair to say that maybe this was sent out by the white house, or someone who simply got it from the white house? >> you raise a good point. it is unfair to say to the white house that we will criticize you for holding onto that he will address, but there's a federal law that prohibits him from destroying that its e-mail address. there is a distinction from getting these type of e-maila in s in campaign mode. i still get them now. that is one thing. if you're getting them during the presidency, it raises a whole new set of legal questions. if you do not want those, it is a legitimate question. trace: we're going to montana. a much more conservative part of the country. actually, it is a suburb. bill, will this be set up differently because of the criticism the white house got. will this be set

david axelrod says those e-mails should debunk what he calls myths and lies. it's an attempt by the white house to stop the president's health care plan from collapsing altogether. dan lothian has our report from the white house. dan? >> indeed. the white house, as you know, has been hosting these town hall meetings around the country and they also put up this meeting to debunk the myths out there. now comes this e-mail from david axelrod who is the senior advisor to the president. it reads, "across the country we are seeing vig yous debate about health insurance reform. unfortunately some of the old tactics that we now are back. even the viral and where we do disagree, let's disagree over things that are real, not the misrepresentations that bear no resemblance to anything that has been proposed. this, again, is showing how the white house is concerned and perhaps even frustrated that their message is getting lost in all of the noise. take a list zone to what robert gibbs had to say today at his daily briefing. >> i think he believes very strongly, as we talk

and the e-mail came from david axelrod and what does it say that axelrod is involved. >> that is theue, he's the political guy in the white house and the fact that he is involved, pushing the policy, tells you that it is very organized and straight out of the campaign, and, where there is crossover to the campaign and whether the white house is coordinating with outside groups, that is what major garrett was obviously trying to get whether they are sharing databases and that sort of thing and now, we don't know, but we do have a sense, a sense of how important the white house feels. they have gone to war, everything from demonizing the insurance companies to putting the president on the road, war room response to critics and already, it's expensive when you think of the president schlepping around the country to sell this thing and it is really -- really has become a salesman's job, and someone said he's become the sailsman for the super state and the president traveling the country to sell the project is really an extraordinary event in and of itself. >> julie: one of our viewers fr

david axelrod to explain himself. showdowns across the country.s tough talking americans speak their minds both in congress and quinns. >> i'm trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with the dining room table. i have no interest in doing it. >> who says politicians and their constituents, exchange views? frank exchange of views. we'll be right back. >>> joining me now republican strategist. former white house political director, cnn contributor, ed rollins, good to have you here. white house reporter for politico. and democratic strategist. robert zimmerman, robert, good to see you. let's start. when asked which would be better, passage of the current bill working its way through congress, i love that expression. i'm not sure it's working its way through at all or no passage at all, the great majority said it's not better to pass health care this year. robert it looks like the end game is near. >> the game has just started. wall street journal, nbc news poll out today said 60% of those sampled said the system should b

care coverage, that physical may not be something you can afford. >> white house senior advisor david axelrod met with the house democratic caucus this morning to discuss the health care fight going forward and joins us now from the north lawn of the white house. good evening, david. >> good evening, keith. why are you talking with that phony british accent? >> you figured me out already. so okay. jokes aside, what did you tell the democratic lawmakers today and what concerns did they have for you especially as they head back to face voters and those rabble rousers in their districts? >> what we spoke about was a very, very strong case we have to make to the american people. you know, while there is still work to be done to complete this health care reform, this health insurance reform plan, it is embedded in all the versions of it are really significant protections for consumers in the health care system. and these are things we want to call people's attention to. they haven't been well covered. but they'll make an enormous difference, the fact that under this bill, under this law people wou

. >> fox news has received hundreds ofest mails who say that this letter from david axelrod landed in their in-box without them having requested any communication whatsoever from the obama white house. fox has repeatedly offered to share e-mail addresses with gibbs to find out how the recipients landed on the whiteh. gibbs has declined to respond. some recipients like lou pore that of uta are irked. >> it is not a function of the white house to get somebody's e-mail address, and don't know who they are distributing it to. we want our privacy and don't want to be on a white house list. >> po. ta says he has never asked for any communication from the white house on any topic, and another unhappy recipient, another republican, jack benjamin of nashville, tennessee. >> the white house wants to put out a message so they have a conduit to put the message out to people who haven't contacted them in any way. therefore, they're using a.o.l. the same way that a spammer would be. >> benjamin said he received the axelrod letter as a popup by the a.o.l. service. he doesn't like popups of any kind

house -- senator obama as a candidate, senator obama as anything and have received e-mails from david axelrod. how could that be? >> all right, now critics are suggesting the e-mail push could be illegal. and joining us is stephen hayes, a staff writer for the weekly standard and fox news contributor and good to see you and what might be eel about the white house compiling a list of people and sending them e-mails, about their ideas for health care and health insurance reform? >> well, i think there are laws that strictly determine what you can and can't use in terms of e mailings that you may hahave sod during campaigns and then using them during governing and what struck me was robert gibbs' contravention and major was asking i think a very serious question, and the answer should have been pretty straightforward and you should know what the list is that you are using and if you don't know the list, say so and that is the answer but the fact that he couldn't answer those -- the question in a straightforward way i think is troubling. >> he said don't look funny to major and i want you to reph

the story about the e-mails of the david axelrod -- david ouncer run being sent out growth on "the live desk." i want to play that because there is news on that and i need to bring everyone up to speed. >> i need to give you these e- mails so that you can check on the list. >> if you have a different way of checking without double checking the names. >> they never asked for e-mails. trace: that exchange and the subsequent controversy has captured a lot of headlines in the recent days. give me an update on the e- mails. >> read two updates. the white house released a statement saying that it appears a third-party groups were placing names on the white house web site server, so people would receive these e-mails without their consent. this morning, if you go to the white house web site, under the contact section, you can find two new layers of protection. you can opt out of receiving e- mails, and you also verify that you do not want to receive any e-mails. that is the news with the e-mail list. there is another development. the white house has not confirmed this, but it appears starting

we understand that david axelrod has sent out an e-mail. what are they trying to accomplish here?chain e-mails that ask you to forward it to people that you know. well, the white house is engaging in that practice. david axelrod writing a letter to supporters, saying, this is probably the longest e-mail i've written in a long time. and essentially, what the note has is corrections of the misinformation that's out there on health care and what david axelrod asks those who get the e-mail to do is to try to forward it to people they know, to get that information out virally. and some of the misinformation from their perspective has also gone out virally, so they're trying to fight fire with fire. >> one of the things they're trying to fight is the whole issue of the death panels. we first heard it from senator palin. senator grassley from iowa got into on it, and this is what he had to say yesterday. >> in the house bill, there's counseling for end of life. >> that's it! >> and from that standpoint, you have every right to fear. we should not have a government program that determines

but first, david axelrod, is he spasming you with e mails urging you to support it's a revolution in pain relief. (announcer) new icy hot medicated roll. for wherever you hurt. icy to dull pain, hot to relax it away. the new icy hot medicated roll. with the roll, pain's under control. welcome home, man. sean: americans around the country have been receiving unexpected e mails from the president's political operatives and it urges support for the president's health care plan, but how did the white house get a hold of these e mail addresses? major garrett put the question to robert gibbs and here's what he had to say. >> speaking of the e mail, how does the list on who would receive it determined? >> i believe it's from people who signed up to receive e mail updates from the white house. >> the reason i have asked, i have received e mails from people who did not seek communication tr the white house and not registered or on a website -- let me finish my question. >> would have never signed up for anything related to this white house, senator obama as a candidate, senator obama as anyth

continues to brag about its founding father, david axelrod. a lot from the backscratching and influence peddling that goes on in these industries. and it really is about the hypocrisy and the sanctimony of this white house bashing its opponents as being corporate shills on its own administration is full of them. >> dave: is once again about transparency. we appreciate michelle. she's back with us in just a moment taking on the idea of a tobacco czar. do we really need a czar to get cigarettes out of the mouths of smokers -- mark. >> we'll look at what's coming up on the cost of freedom business blog. >> haggai's good morning. catcher klunkers ends on monday. the government still can't get the money out. if it is having trouble a $3 billion program, how do you think it'll handle a $1 trillion health-care overhaul? >> at wal-mart just put this whole debate to rest with a new free-market fix? and then cash for caskets? state and local governments use taxpayer dollars to pay for public generals. why some in hear say that's a great idea. >> forgot

just like david axelrod, this is a very similar number. $2 million that dick cheney was going to get n payouts that were owed because of his separation from the firm. just like axelrod, dick cheney said there was no connection between any of the federal money going to halliburton and the payments to mostly deferred compensation, that was due to him from halliburton. greta: there is no ethics problem here. >> there is no problem. greta: i wish we had more time. the idea of the lobbyists paying this money, that is more interesting. we have plenty of time. we are here every night. the government is growing larger in a way you might not expect. there is news tonight about actor alec baldwin. it might mean bad news for a famous politician. greta: job creation is something happening during the recession. the private sector has lost about $6.9 million jobs. during the same amount of time, state and local government have added about 810,000 jobs. what is the deal? we're joined by the washington correspondent for "forbes." explain this, the government is getting jobs and the private sector is

but first, david axelrod, is he spasming you with e mails urging you to support bicycle, i've missed you. gathering dust, as pollen floats through the air. but with the strength of zyrtec ® , the fastest, 24-hour allergy relief, i promise not to wait as long to go for our ride. with zyrtec ® i can love the air ™ . sean: americans around the country have been receiving unexpected e mails from the president's political operatives and it urges support for the president's health care plan, but how did the white house get a hold of these e mail addresses? major garrett put the question to robert gibbs and here's what he had to say. >> speaking of the e mail, how does the list on who would receive it determined? >> i believe it's from people who signed up to receive e mail updates from the white house. >> the reason i have asked, i have received e mails from people who did not seek communication tr the white house and not registered or on a website -- let me finish my question. >> would have never signed up for anything related to this white house, senator obama as a candidate, senator oba

just like david axelrod, this is a very similar number. $2 million that dick cheney was going to get payouts that were owed because of his separation from the firm. just like axelrod, dick cheney said there was no connection between any of the federal money going to halliburton and the payments to mostly deferred compensation, that was due to him from halliburton. greta: there is no ethics problem here. >> there is no problem. greta: i wish we had more time. the idea of the lobbyists paying this money, that is more interesting. we have plenty of time. we are here every night. the government is growing larger in a way you might not expect. there is news tonight about abtt from the northeast, try our new garlic-roasted... maine lobster and crab bake. or from the south, try our new orleans... wood-grilled shrimp jambalaya. ends soon. at red lobster. stamp it in and for a whole week... it cleans and freshens. toilet cleaning gel. the freshest way to keep a toilet clean. see sunday's paper and save a dollar... on scrubbing bubbles toilet cleaning gel. s.c. johnson, a family company. you al

but first, david axelrod, is he spasming you with e mails urging you to support obamacare. how is the white house defending itself? sean: americans around the country have been receiving unexpected e mails from the president's political operatives and it urges support for the president's health care plan, but how did the white house get a hold of these e mail addresses? major garrett put the question to robert gibbs and here's what he had to say. >> speaking of the e mail, how does the list on who would receive it determined? >> i believe it's from people who signed up to receive e mail updates from the white house. >> the reason i have asked, i have received e mails from people who did not seek communication tr the white house and not registered or on a website -- let me finish my question. >> would have never signed up for anything related to this white house, senator obama as a candidate, senator obama as anything and received e mails from david axelrod. >> i would be interested to see how got it from and whether or not they're on the list. >> i would like to know how th

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names of people who disagree with their domestic policy and sending out unsolicited e-mail from david axelrodthink the press would pay more attention. trace: of course, after the white house briefing, karl rove will be on our program to give us his take on what happened. had bill sammon, thank you. juliet: janice dean is here to tell us more about hurricane bill now. >> it is expected to become a category three shortly. you can see that well defined eye and satellite imagery. this is the storm to watch. very well defined eye. this could be strengthening as we speak and is expected to become a category three. there is the track. yesterday, we were talking about a storm that came close to a bermuda. the east coast needs to be paying attention to this, especially kate caught. that cone of uncertainty is now brushing that area. we are still uncertain about what is going to go on. we have hurricane hunters flying through this to get more data, but the important thing is folks across the eastern coast need to be paying attention. 105 sustained winds right now, and it is expected to strengthen. it w

shepard: but the newspaper reports the white house is questioning the poll with advisor david axelrod, expressing some skepticism about exactly how they conducted it. so what do regular folks really think? carl cameron has been at the state fair in iowa, des moines. karl, what are they saying? >> well, there is a recognition that things have turned a little bit and the opposition is getting a lot louder. there is no shortage of people that recognize that the healthcare system is too expensive. when we talk to them here at the iowa state fair there, is complaints and concerns and a quizzical aspect as to why things haven't been completed already. here is a quick sampling. >> i don't think we should be socialized. i think we are a represented republic not a communist nation. i don't think there is any authorization in the constitution for the federal government to be involved at all. >> they haven't decided anything nobody decided nothing. and everybody is rushing to the bandwagon saying oh it's going to be this way or it's going to be this way. it's not going to be nothing yet. they ha

suddenly these people have emails collected by the white house start getting messages from david axelrodt's say karl rove. what do you think the left would have done. >> i'm so surprised i haven't gotten my email from the aclu announcing an investigation on this or try to raise money from. this. laura: privacy concerns. >> in the whom scheme of things i do, think this is a huge deal and there is some big white house campaign to obtain emails of people who might be skeptical and send them propaganda? probably not. in the whole scheme of things, when you think about trillion-dollar deficits and wars that we are not fighting and winning, is this a huge deal? probably not. but what struck me about that segment is robert gibbs and his hostility to actually getting a difficult question. he is so unaccustomed to getting tough questions and follow-ups. he doesn't know how to answer it then he insults him by saying you are going to impugn my motives? laura: fishy information that might be out there about the health care debate. please email us about it i think what the sense about the administrat

david axelrod, the president's senior advisor, goes up to capitol hill and has a big power point display. has a big nuck 87 on it. he explains that's the number of americans in percentage who have health care right now and they don't want to lose what they have. john: is that why they call it now health insurance reform, not health care? >> exactly. who likes insurance companies anyway? >> peter, the town halls were so emotional and really dramatic. i don't think i've seen anything like that. >> right. >> is -- there are suspicions that these are manufactured. how did this happen? >> that's what the white house said this week. it's not grass roots it's astroturf. manufactured anger. to some extent that's correct but politics is about being manufactured. getting your people out and pretty shall expressing -- >> but there has to be genuine frustration? >> right. you're tapping into a genuine we willspring of suspicion and uncertainty about health care. john: does the white house have a sense of what they've done right and wrong in this rough patch? any sense of mistakes made? >> well, it's

seen it all. >> we have pat buchanan, savannah guthrie with us, and also we spoke last hour to david axelrod and david remembered ted kennedy. in fact reminisced about what he thought to be one of the pivotal moments in last year's presidential campaign when ted kennedy endorsed barack obama. >> when i think back to that presidential race of 2008, there was a pivotal weekend that changed everything. it was the weekend that senator obama won the south carolina primary. the next morning caroline kennedy endorsed him in a beautiful piece in "the new york times" and then the following day senator kennedy endorsed him at this huge public event in washington. that was just rife with emotion and history. that transformed our campaign in a very big way. >> savannah guthrie, when did president obama and michelle learn about the president -- or about ted kennedy's passing? >> he was awakened 2:00 this morning. he got the call. they are on martha's vineyard having a week off and he placed a call to mrs. kennedy at 2:25 this morning. we do expect him to come and make a statement before the cameras later

savannah, good to see you and look forward to tuning in at 1:00 when david axelrod is your guest. >> thanks. >>> democrats will head to the white house with the president for lunch. with the senate about to leave for break they are about to take stock of where the priorities stand. jon tester of montana joins us. good to see you. >> good to be on and congratulations on the show, carlos. i'm a big fan. >> thank you very much. very much appreciated. i understand for all of the focus on health care that you've actually been focused on a very different issue related to general motors, the large car company. you want to share a little bit what seems to be a pretty strong piece of frustration on your part? >> absolutely, carlos. what has gone on is gm who took $50 billion of bailout money has decided to go to a bankruptcy court and cancel a contract with the stillwater mine that provides them with the material that goes into catalytic converters which makes the cars burn cleaner so the air is cleaner that comes out of the exhaust. >> to be clear, that's a mine in montana? >> that's a mine

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this great big spam came out from david axelrod.g about how good the president's program would be. that sounds like lobbying. and, yet, if you didn't sign up for the spam and you got it, i can understand. and this about 10 days after people were told to narc on their neighbors. health care transmissions on the internet. it's kind of big brother is watching. >> well, two things. one, so david axelrod and the white house reportedly have very cozy relationships with third party groups. maybe those relationships need to be more clarified which is possibly what nick shapiro is trying to say in his statement there the other thing is that if you just think about what would have happened if all of the sudden people in america started getting emails from karl rove, holy crap, people would have gone crazy. because it's -- at the very least it's a violation of your privacy. a little bit creepy. and possibly illegal. and so i think they are right to continue to press on that. if i were the reporters i would want a little bit more information an

david axelrod, the prsident's senior advis, goes upto capitol hill and has a big power poin display. has a big nuc 87 on it he explains th's the number of americans in percentage who have heah care right nw and they don't wantto lose what ey have. john: isthat why theycall it now health insurance rform, not health care? >> exact. who likes insurance companies anyway >>eter, the ton halls were so emotion and really dramatic. i don't think i'veseen anything like tat. >> rig. >> i -- there are suspicio that the are manufactured. how did thishappen? >> that's wat the whit house said this week. it's not gra roots it's troturf. manufactured anger. to so extent tat's corect but politics is bout being manufactured. geing your people out and pretty shall exressing -- >> but there has to be genne frustration >> right. u're tapping into a genuine wwillspring of suspici and uncertainty abou health care. john: does the whte house have a sense o what theve done right an wrong in thisough pach? any sense of misakes made? >> well, i's a good qustion. i don't thik they ould necessary admit their own

mary, david axelrod, senior adviser to the president, pens out a lengthy e-mail, i've got a copyrighte, a lot of links, a lot of information, misinformation that's out there on the internet he says he wants to try to correct it. he says, you know what, take this e-mail and forward it to your friends and your neighbors so this message gets out. is there anything wrong with that? >> well, i don't know if it's illegal. you're not supposed to use federal property for political purposes. it's a political document. it's a political tactic. but leaving that aside, i don't even know how effective it is just because it can get viral doesn't mean that anybody will believe it. people who tend to go to those sources are people who are already for you. but it is indicative of where they think they are in this fight. >> part of that base of the white house supporters, it does provide a lot of information. talking points for them to use at these town halls and to use in their debates with their neighbors and friends. >> i think we're past that point. donna encouraged us to read it. i went and read i

mean, they've tried everything and now they're trying these e-mails that are going out under david axelrod's and he's urging people to get involved in the healthcare reform debate. now, major finds out that a lot of people are getting these e-mails who never have submitted their names or information to the white house, certainly not for organizing for america or any of these groups. so why are they getting these e-mails. >> yeah. how does the white house know their e-mail address. that's the key. >> and had the bush administration done anything like this, anything like this you would have the media up in arms. it wouldn't just be major garret of "fox news," i can tell you that. >> the problem here is government intrusion into your home. if there isn't a list, how is the white house getting e-mail addresses to send touts about healthcare? it's a simple deal and gibbs couldn't explain it. >> which is precisely the return why he gave major garret kind of the needling and then said let's move on to a question more constructive, i.e. -- >> are you offended general electric is using its power, jus

white house adviser david axelrod dismissed the angry youth bursts say, quote, there is a media fetish these things. david, i agree with you, especially when we heard republicans lying on the campaign trail. there's a new "you see today"/gallup poll says that 34% have made them more sympathetic to the protesters' views? let me bring in white house communications directors for the office of health care reform, linda douglas. great to have you on tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> the guy making news right now is chuck grassley. it doesn't sound like he's got the mood for any bipartisan agreement. >> there's some fear that because of the house bill from that step, you have every right to fear. you shouldn't have counselling at the end of life, you ought to have counseling 20 years before you're going to die. we should not have a govern program that determines if you're going to pull the plus on grandma. >>. i would like to know the white house response to this and the president himself. >> it's hard to exactly say what the question was and what he was talking about exactly. he's been a

in this white house e-mail listing so-called health care reform myths, signed by senior advisor david axelrod, which he asks supporters to forward to friends. in web videos like this one, from a white house official whose son has autism, in which he talks to parents of children with disabilities afraid reform will mean their children won't be able to get the coverage they need. >> that simply is not true. >> reporter: such efforts seem almost an acknowledgement that the white house is losing the argument. a recent gallup poll shows a plurality of americans, 49%, disapprove of president obama's handling of health care policy. why are they not with the president? >> look, i think part of it is some of these misconceptions. the president isn't out doing town hall meetings just for his health. >> reporter: such as the erroneous claim that health reform would create a bureaucracy to impose end of life decisions on seniors. >> there's some people that think it's a terrible problem that grandma's laying in the hospital bed with tubes in her, and think that there ought to be some government policy. >

are you saying david axelrod or rahm emanuel are prerecession times the chief of staff, or on the site saying yes, go get them? symantec is an element to that. we saw this back in the campaign when obama campaign for president. publicly we need to get along, to got to get it but in the ground we're not averse to using some of these groups pushing for that and spirited right now the public option is one of their hands. >> paul: then, is this working? >> i don't think it's working so far. intimidation does work. they have intimidated some of the sector people involved in healthcare. >> paul: environment is running ads in favor of the plan in a family that put the manufacturers association business roundtable are part of a group called healthy economy now which includes the public-sector employees union, and they together have been running ads for this plan and some of these areas. so they have intimidated some of the private people in washington. that may work as well against politicians. >> paul: doesn't work with the blue dogs? they get the bill out of committee, henry waxman's bill, f

senator obama as anything, and have received emails from david axelrod, how could that be? >> i would be interested to see who you gotcha email from and whether or not they are on the list. >> but i just want to be. >> what you are telling me is i need to give you these people's emails so you can check them on lacy. i'm just asking. >> you are asking me if they are on a list. and if you can figure out a different way of checking without asking me to double-check the names. >> they're telling me they can't be on a list because they never asked for an email from the white house. >> i would have to look at what you got, major, i appreciate the fact that i have omnipotent clarity as to what you have received in your email box today today. >> you don't have time pawn anything. i'm telling you what i got. emails from people to ho said theyner asked for anything from the white house. >> let me go to some place else that might be constructive. brian: ouch. i thought megyn kelly gave the best illustration. she with -- who did she speak with? steve: bill burton. brian: look, if i sen

for me, that does not solve the issue of how i got an email from david axelrod telling me all about thehe questions for everyone out there, bill. bill: so the ethical and legal implications then, what would they be if third parties did supply email addresses to the white house? where would we be then legally? >> well, there is a very fine line when it comes to political parties. say the democratic party, the democratic national committee sharing information with governmental entities. i talked to scott stansell this morning. he worked at the white house under george w. bush. he said ultimately, though, the burden is on the white house. here is what he had to say. >> the obama white house developed their own website. they are in charge of white house.gov. they are responsible for monitoring that. they are responsible for making sure people can't misuse whitehouse.gov. from that point they failed. in that respect the explanation is not thorough. in my view, place blame where it shouldn't be instead of pointing in the mirror and looking at third parties. >> we'll continue to go after the t

>>greta: one of the places thats working with this is david axelrod's old company. >> he founded theompany. they are his friends. he is featured on a website. greta: they did that to him. >> he was bought out for $2 million. he will be paid over a few years. he will get $350,000 on december 31st. his son works there as the research director. the former campaign manager of the obama campaign is a senior adviser for the company. he is featured on the main page with a placard behind him for obama. greta: that is a lot of money for advertisements. these special interest groups have a lot of interest. >> there will be hundreds of millions dollarof dollars spentn both sides. it is not just lobbyists taking people to lunch and putting hundred dollar bills. greta: we wish we were back to that. >> now, it is trying to get voters to lobby the lawmakers themselves. the way you do that is to buy commercials. these advertisements are often targeted to lawmakers who are on the fence. their districts, their states. we often see them on news channels like this because people who are very interested

this, senator obama as a candidate, senator obama as anything and i have received e- mail from david axelrod. >> i would be interested to see. what i'm asking you is if they are on the list. >> you are asking me to check a list. i cannot look at this. >> there's apparently a list because they never asked for an e-mail. >> i would have to look and see -- >> you don't have an explanation how someone would get an e-mail. >> i will not answer in such ways to allow you to in tune what i've said. >> why would you say this? >> because of what you said in your question. >> i am telling you what i got. >> let's go to someplace else that might be constructed. greta: major garrett joins us. >> let's advance the story. robert gibbs invited me to provide e-mail. i never asked the white house for anything. i have offered to give to him and the white house some of the e-mail from people who said they never subscribed to the white house, never signed up, never subscribed. i have many people think that i am an idiot. these people contacted me because they were not afforded, they got them directly from the wh