but since we don't, let me go to you david clinger, former police officer looking at that video.rs there as well as emts, you heard people in the crowd saying where is the cpr, why wasn't cpr applied? we're told that he died not there but later at the hospital so it's unclear how he was breathing at that point in time, but he wasn't responding. what should have been done by the emts or the officers that wasn't there? >> i wasn't on the scene and i'm not an emt so i can't comment on that. but from a police perspective one of the things i don't understand and i've talked to several colleagues around the country and they don't understand. the typical situation with someone in a respiratory or type of distress you get them seated. when you do a takedown and get somebody on their face what you want to do is get the hand cuffs on and get them off their belly on their side and that creates a much better plane for breathing. why that wasn't done, i have no idea. but one of the things i think we have to understand this was not just the one officer putting his arm around the individual. th

they are david clinger, a former street cop in l.a. and professor of criminology at the university of missouri, st. louis. he shot and killed a man attacking his partner. officer stacy lynn who's been with the lapd for 26 years, she trains patrol officers was shot through the heart in a gang shootout. sandy wall, a retired police officer who as a member of the s.w.a.t. team faced hundreds of lethal threats and shotted three gunmen. paul hershey also retired shot two armed gunman and kneel bruntrager, an attorney for darren wilson, the officer in the michael brown shooting and began in 1981 as a prosecutor and the fifth officer we invited, an african-american sergeant agreed to join us but we are told he is unavailable now. welcome, everyone. let's have a very important conversation, let's be honest with each other. you can ask whatever questions you want. if i get to you but make sure you're respectful. i want to thank you guys for joining us. many came a long ways. you use your weapons in the line of duty. david, i'm going to start wi

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david clinger, former lapd. what are the concerns out there in los angeles, and prior to this, you must have already -- or those in the department have been thinking this way. >> absolutely. you know, i left l.a. many years ago, talked this evening with a friend of mine out there, and he shares the same concern. that these things can go national. and if you look back in the 1960s and '70s, there were violent shootouts between radicals, and american law enforcement officers literally all over the country. and if, in fact, this is the leading edge of something that is going to look similar to that, we are in for a real rough patch. and dlthat's just the reality w have to face. as soon as i heard about this, two names jumped into my mind. waverly jones and joseph piagantine, working in harlem and three guys walked up and executed them. that was one of literally dozens of attempted executions, sometimes successful during the '60s and '70s against law enforcement. and my hope is that this is not the leading edge, but

communities, why the crime rate is so high, there's a criminologist in the university of missouri, david clingerhere were 1265 homicides in st. louis. 90% of them were black. 90% of them were black on black. >> that's almost the same for whites. 86% of whites are killed by whites. >> but my point in that is, that what we talk about there's an epidemic or an open season on young black men being gunned down in the street because of rogue racist officers is not the case. only 2% of the homicides in st. louis over ten years were from cops. not necessarily white cops. so this, we need to put it in perspective. there are issues that need to be resolved and each one of the aspects that we can address reasonably. i don't think that that's what's happening right now. when you see the crowds and masses of people, i think their anger is misplaced. this is, to, for what what's happening. >> so what's the question, mark? >> no, no, it's not the question. because right now, because right now as i understood the question we're talking about why police do this. and in the instances where it happens. we can alwa