it's going. >> rose: david irving, what happened in your trial?te a book on holocaust denial, my second book was on holocaust denial and in it i spent a few pages on david irving and i called him one of the world's leading holocaust deniers. he was a german writer as you acknowledged who wrote on topics of world war ii history, very popular, good writer, he did research, found documents nobody else could find because the germans gave him documents, et cete. but always took a sort of edgy kind of view. the gnat cyst weren't so bad, the allies weren't so good. and he at one point in '78 wrote a book on hitler where he said hitler didn't know about the holocaust and when he found out about it he tried to stop it. most reviewers said that's ridiculous but everything else is interesting instead of saying anybody who could propose such a ridiculous theory... >> rose: everything has to be questioned. >> exactly. ten years later he becomes a denier. he figures out he'll get much more traction as a denier. whether he believes it or not. he knows the docume

if you meant you know we brought up the david brooks piece again is that still me out there republican party is a normal party anymore when it's people like irving are question when it's all free that they can use their every move. well you know i'm going to think they're taking this every move i think it works the company of a powerful constituency and over a period of decades now that wing of the republican party is munition one to do some things we should actually been very good not just in the party but i think for republican voters good for the country as a whole but you know it comes to a point where you reach this turning point getting out prices begin to take a fresh look at the fundamental infrastructure of this country our whole economy still and the same old answers don't really court as well as that you see now i also want to go back to another point in a brooks made where he said that the republican party if they do allow us to deep has no moral decency because you know you say in good faith when you borrow money from somebody they're going to return your dad and so what happens you know if we actually allow the government of the pe