david jolly former republican congressman from florida an msnbc political analyst. good to see you. ere is no part of the republican party prior to 2015 that would knowingly be part of spreading russian disinformation about having hacked in the u.s. election. it's not something that would have happened. lindsey graham wouldn't have tolerated it. john mccain wouldn't have tolerated it. people like you wouldn't have tolerated it. what has happened the republican party has become attached to a russian conspiracy theory? >> it reveals a lot about true motivations. first, let's recognize what they are doing now, what senator kind ev kennedy said, it's gravely dangerous through their ignorance, negligence, they are being used by russia. republican senators and republican members of congress tonight are being used by russia because they are unwilling to look at the truth, and ali i would offer perspective as a former republican and democratic friends may disagree i was on the hill during the 90s and law and order principle and perjury or obstruction of justice and i thought i'd belong to a

david jolly, former republican congressman from florida. chris alllou, former assistant president obama. andrew, you were in many of those pieces of video. we saw you in the background there in the hearing room. being able to listen to what was said. before we get to that and what has happened, let's start with the transcripts. and what we're learning and garrett did a great job of sort of laying out, you know, two different characters and a narrative that the democrats will try to bring forward on tuesday. and what they may bring up. let's start with morrison. again, both of these two individuals on the call. so they're very important. what do you expect from morrison here based on the way that garrett had laid it out for us? >> i think the top takeaway from tim morrison's deposition is that he gave democrats another data point to connect this to the president. he said that gordon sondland, the u.s. ambassador to the european union told him that he was acting on the president's orders essentially and that he was in constant communications

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still with us tonight, maya wiley and david jolly.aya, i heard two of your fellow former feds -- not easy to say -- but to voices i respect along with yours, speculate today the court won't take this, that there won't be four votes to take it. if not, why not? >> so i would make the same guess. and the reason is because the law is pretty clear and it would be a pretty extreme position to -- and it's easier to not take the case than to actually address the question. but it would be a pretty extreme position to even take up the question that there can't be any investigation, even to preserve evidence of a crime against a sitting president. that would be extreme and there's lots of case law that supports both the district court and the appellate court in this case. >> and sometimes they're like the rest of us and they don't want this anywhere near them. >> they don't want to hear it. >> congressman, what's the danger of this case to the overall narrative you were just laying out? >> well, this will provide additional momentum, if you wil

i think it is hard to juggle but pelosi has to deal with that. >> david jolly, 15 seconds. >> look --no, look, it is a diverse party but it's continuing to push the arc of progressivism. each parties do that over the course of time. michael bloomberg making the case the party needs to return to a traditional moderate path, i don't think is an electorally winning strategy within the democratic primary today. >> thank you. >>> coming up, veterans make the case for country over party during the impeachment inquiry. how they're urging republicans to change their approach in a critical time in our country. so you only pay for what you need. nice. but, uh... what's up with your... partner? not again. limu that's your reflection. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and a high risk for fracture now might not be the best time to ask yourself are my bones strong? life is full of make or break moments. that's why it's so important to help reduce your risk of fracture with prolia®. only prolia® is proven to help strengthen and

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think about, as usual, let's resolve to take tomorrow off and with that, karine jean-pierre, to david jolly, very best and happy thanksgiving to you. >> same to you. >> the shift in strategy expected next week during this next round of impeachment hearings. a capitol hill based preview when we come back. come back. >>> do you expect the president or his counsel to show up. >> i don't make the mistake of speaking for the president or his counsel. >> even members like congresswoman debbie dingell, democrat of michigan don't know whether the president will send a representative to next week's impeachment hearing. melanie zanona is back with a preview, she is congressional reporter for "politico" and a returning veteran on this broadcast. melanie, give folks at minimum, a kind of viewers guide how will these hearings that we've become used to now in the intel committee, how will it seem different in judiciary? >> this phase is going to look a whole lot different when it shifts to the judiciary committee. the intel hearings were focused on fact witnesses, gathering evidence, and putting it on th

joyce vance, natasha bertrand, andrew carny and david jolly, former republican congressman from florida. all are msnbc contributors. joyce, we played some of the best hits, if you will, that happened this past week. what do you think assisted the democrats in their case that they need to make as they go forward to put together their report going to the senate? >> well, the democrats at this juncture are doing something that's roughly the equivalent of indicting a criminal case. that's not maybe a precise comparison, but it's good enough for this purpose. they're deciding whether or not there's sufficient evidence to chang charge the president with articles of impeachment. this is sort of a lower standard inquiry than when we get to a trial. given the overall evidence, we don't look at one witness in isolation. the witnesses who have come forward and now documents that are beginning to trickle in make it very clear that there's sufficient evidence to proceed with articles of impeachment. >> natasha, as these documents come in and reporting on these 100 pages coming from the state departm

andrea desiderio, jill wine-banks also with us, as well as david jolly and chris lu. david jolly, david holmes now at least by testimony from what we're hearing becoming a primary witness, right? hearing a call, saying he understood that was the president of the united states and he's saying they were discussing ukraine and investigations. >> and that really was the news coming out wednesday that we now have somebody who says they heard the president of the united states in his voice speak to the fact that he wanted an investigation of the bidens. i think what the country saw wednesday was the baseline facts established that there was this effort by donald trump's team led by giuliani to, in fact, extract this concession from ukraine, an investigation. in ten hours of testimony, that's what we saw. there was a moment with marie yovanovitch saying why were you dismissed. would you have supported investigation into the bidens? no. she said no. it painted a picture of not only on wednesday that there was this effort donald trump was running, but by friday with ambassador

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joining me now, msnbc contributor and former florida congressman david jolly, and joel payne, a former member of hillary clinton's 2016 campaign. david, i know you're a former republican, but you're going to get a new republican constituent, a voter in florida, key swing state, mar-a-lago, palm beach county. >> i wish new york would have found a way to keep him, andrea. we invite everybody to florida but this is one we may have taken a pass on if we had had a vote. >> we'll talk more about that later in the show but i couldn't resist asking you since you're mr. florida there. let's talk about the impeachment hearing and the fact that not a single republican went over. and you think back to the watergate hearings and also to the clinton impeachment hearings where 31, i think, democrats voted against bill clinton on the house floor. and only -- there were only four people voting with richard nixon. so all the rest of the republicans in 1974 voted against richard nixon. memorably, there was a young house freshman from maine named william cohen who later became a defense secretary, and bec

david jolly, former republican congressman from florida. they are both msnbc analysts. and david, i normally defer to the elected or former elected officials first, but evelyn knows george kent. and so we are going to begin with evelyn telling us what we can expect to see when george kent testifies next week. >> i think you're going do see a real straight shooter. and it's really interesting reading the transcript because if you thought bill taylor was a straight shooter and stood up for the constitution, george is even more pointed. you know, he uses kind of a bit of colorful language, but he's a serious guy. and he's not afraid. i mean, what comes through there very clearly -- more so we don't know what taylor was doing behind the scenes, but george lays out clearly what he was doing, what he was saying. he's not afraid. i had actually picked up a little bit some of my former colleagues saying i hope george is okay. i didn't really understand. i just heard that whisper a while back and now i understand because he's been fighting this fight for the truth, for the consti

joining us, david jolly, a former republican member of congress from florida. olitical analyst. daifr david, are you surprised by your former colleague's approach to the public hearing according to the memo tonight? >> i'm not, and in fact, all the corroborating witnesses suggest there was this scheme and ukraine was aware of it, even to the extent of diplomatic personnel drafting statements for zelensky to read. what is interesting in this, though, is each of their four arguments seems to play into a broader theme that they're going to argue there was no quid pro quo. and that's an inflection point for democrats to have to make a strategic decision, because i would make the case no quid pro quo was required. it certainly didn't need to be felt by ukraine, but the act to ask ukraine to investigate the bidens in and of itself even without active quid pro quo was an impeachable behavior by the president of the united states. the republicans' four arguments are all trying to undermine a quid pro quo argument. corroborating evidence will overcome it, but democrats h

let me bring in david jolly, former republican congressman from florida. he's since left the party.nn kirchner is an msnbc legal analyst, a former federal prosecutor as well. he's stationed outside the roger stone trial, just in case there's any news there. david, let me start with you, we heard the president's defense under a couple of stories under the impeachment umbrella if you will. your take so far on his defense? >> reminiscent of reagan during iran contra when reagan said he didn't trade arms for hostages, later had to apologize. what he said in the apology is my heart and intentions still believe i did nothing wrong, but the facts and evidence suggest that i did. donald trump can say it was a perfect call. he can say he did nothing wrong. his allies on the hill say all the activity was limited to the activities of giuliani and mulvaney. the facts and the evidence point directly to donald trump executing on the corrupt intent. trump said on september 22nd, the call was largely about the fact that we didn't want our people, biden and his son, contributing to corruption in the

. >> i want to bring in david jolly, a former republican member of congress from the state of florida he's since left the republican party. we're lucky to have his voice as part of conversations like this. david jolly, your thoughts. >> first, on the morning's testimony, i think we can't take a step back from what you were talking about earlier particularly with jon meacham. what fiona hill said to us as a nation is, we're in trouble. it reflected very much bob mueller's closing statement, what we heard from an impassioned elijah cummings, that we're a nation whose divisions have been exploited by an adverse foreign nation state. the reason that context is important is, first, what are we going to do about it, and secondly, it paints the republican line of questioning as not just maddening but sickening in many ways, heartbreaking, that in fact perhaps russia has achieved what it was striking out to achieve, that we have one of the two major parties who is willing to engage in overlooking the truth, overlooking facts. and i think ultimately the party, and i know maya and i have talked

former republican congressman david jolly.hief public affairs officer from move' on.org, karine jean-pierre. i didn't get all the way through this, but i read big chunks of it. the tension in her voice, and it's hard to articulate how tough and how seasoned a diplomat like marie yovanovitch is and they all are by and large. but to hear her talk about being threatened and feeling so threatened in her posting, not from the ukrainians but from her domestic enemies in the trump white house was chilling. >> yeah. i mean, first of all she had been in the foreign service for decades, served in some tough places and never experienced something like that because nothing like that had ever happened before. because that's not how we conduct foreign policy in the united states. the other thing i take away from this, nicole, is so much of the focus has been on this one phone call. this was a multimonth-long effort to essentially completely corrupt the relationship between ukraine and united states to serve trump's interest because she didn

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former congressman david jolly, msnbc contributor, and hayes brown, senior editor and reporter from buzzfeed news and host of podcast impeachment today, which i recommend to everybody. and former federal prosecutor, special counsel to the senate committee on the judiciary. i will start with that news about devin nunes who seems to be close to the center of that story the committee has been investigating. it sounds like congressman nunes could face another ethics investigation into a meeting he reportedly had with the ukrainian prosecutor in which he discussed investigation into the bidens. >> do you believe that this should be a matter for an ethics investigation for mr. nunes. . >> quite likely, without question. >> details of the secret meeting surfaced with one of rudy giuliani's associates was prosecuted. congressman declined to comment to nbc news and threatened to sue two other news organizations who reported on the meeting. rudy giuliani addressed the story saturday on fox news. >> devin nunes says he didn't meet with him. i have no reason to believe that he did. in fact, if he did, t

down, former senior adviser to president obama, neera tanden, and former republican congressman david jollyobama has been, as he promised when he left office, very disciplined in keeping his thoughts largely to himself. we don't hear him every day talking about what donald trump is talking about. he hasn't talked a lot about the 2020 campaign. but some things have leaked out lately. is he, like a lot of democrats, feeling nervous that donald trump could win reelection? >> i think anyone rational should think that an incumbent president could be reelected. and i think that's a common view within the democratic party, that's why electability is such an important issue in this election, there is a fear, much greater fear than in 2016, a fear that donald trump will win this time. i think what president obama has been doing is actually trying to talk about the kind of race that needs happen and in a matter of words put up guard rails of the direction of the party but not come out for any particular candidate. >> the political pieces that obama does not want to interfere, if he thought bernie san

joining me now, david jolly former republican congressman from florida. really stunning. will hurd kind of went whoa. if they can't get will hurd who's leaving office, who was a cia officer, he has been critical of the president, he doesn't believe there should be an impeachment vote, whom are they going to get on the house floor? >> i think your question kind of answers itself. there likely is not a republican now that we would see break. the facts are overwhelming, the president engaged in impeachable activity. all of the witnesses have corroborated that and if you look at the totality of the evidence, it's clear what the president did. what you're seeing republicans deploy are kind of three different arguments. one is the conspiracy theory which are frankly noise. when stefanik says to yovanovitch can't a president fire an ambassador at any point, aha, that exonerates the president. but when jordan says yes but the aid was leased that overlooks the corrupt scheme that led up to the aid being released but the third argument and you heard will hurd drift

. >> i'm joined right now by david jolly and jason johnson, a politics editor at the root.com.k you about this performance by the members of your party. it was certainly an interesting show. everyone seemed to be doing their own thing. i'm not sure what nunes was up to. he didn't seem to be a leader of the pack here, he was doing this stuff about hunter biden and ukraine 2016 and trying to get the whistle-blower exposed. none of that had to do with the conversations president trump had with zelensky or the whole cabal to shake this guy down for dirt on biden. he was just walking around the far fringes of the topic. >> let's deconstruct some of these arguments. you're right. nunes was feeding the conspiracy base that works among some republican circles. nunes also opened by saying this is just the next step of what the democrats tried to do to trump during the investigation. it wasn't the democrats that launched the mueller investigation. it was trump's doj, and as for jim jordan saying that the in the meetings with zelensky zelensky wasn't aware, the crime was not in zelensky b

nee neera tanden, david jolly, thank you for being with me. that is "all in" for this evening. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts right now. an williams starts right now. the impeachment inquiry is made public. in exactly one week the testimony will be televised. also, the biggest case out of the mueller report.e the criminal trial of roger stone begins. prosecutors promise at least one high-profile witness. after last night's gop setbacks, attention turns to the suburbs as a former trump insider eyes a run for his old senate seat in the south.as and it could come down to a tight four-way contest for the democrats in a state where f voting starts to count 89 days o from now. "the 11th hour" on a wednesday night begins now. good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters in new york. i'm ali velshi in for brian williams, who's under the weather tonight. he's hoping to return to the line-up soon.in it is day 1,021 of the trump administration. the president is back on the campaign trail in louisiana tonight.th one night after bruising election results for republican

joining me, former republican congressman from florida now msnbc political crontributor david jolly andof damning testimony from gordon sondland u.s. ambassador to the eu, senator graham is insisting that the allegations facings president are part of some larger are conspiracy. david, look, there is nothing new about floating trial balloons, see what resonates, see if there is a line of argument that would work for you. but what do you make of the sondland shift conspiracy theory and one of the president's biggest dwernds s s defenderg they couldn't pull off a quid pro quo, they aren't smart enough. >> yeah, the latest defense is that donald trump is too stupid to pull off a crime. and the problem is all of the corroborating evidence says they knew exactly what they were doing and all of the evidence of career diplomatic core and as well as political friends like sondland, somebody who gave the president a million dollars, are testifying that absolutely there was a quid pro quo and we also know that it went so far as to have donald trump's team draft statements for zelensky to give. thi

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for more i'm joined by betsey swan, david jolly, and michelle goldberg, "the new york times" columnist. michelle, thank you for joining us tonight. this is the summation of two weeks of testimony. now for your summation. did the majority of members of the house intel committee get across the truth in the last two weeks? >> i think it depends on who were the audience for the truth. there's no doubt that donald trump did the thing he's accused of. there's no doubt that he basically extorted ukraine for help smearing his political enemy and undermining the cia and fbi and intelligence communities findings that russia intervened to help him win in 2016. so it was obvious he did that as soon as he released the transcript. these witnesses confirmed it. they elaborated on it. they explained the implications of it. none of them contradicted it, so it's obvious that he did it. but it's equally obvious i think that republicans don't care. and so it should be clear to any good faith viewer that the case was made, but we unfortunately don't have a good faith party who's going to be judging this ev

david jolly's over here selling books, too. >> i just bought my copy. >> it's got a best-seller icon next to it so we'll add that, too. it's a best-seller. so go get it if you don't have it yet. my thanks to everyone who was here for the hour. karine, ben, david, ron. most of all, to you for watching. that does it for our hour. "mtp daily" with the fabulous katy tur in for chuck starts now. >>> welcome to monday. it's "meet the press daily." good evening. i'm katy tur into new york in for chuck todd. the house's impeachment inquiry is accelerating as attempts to defend the president seem to be growing more extreme. after weeks of denying a quid pro quo with ukraine, president trump and some senate republicans are now trying to justify one. perhaps, a sign of just how much evidence a piling up and how far republicans are willing to go to defend the president. today, we got even more evidence. house investigators have begun releasing transcripts of their depositions, both paving the way for public hearings and rebutting gop complaints about close-door proceedings. in one of those trans

here with us former republican congressman now an independent david jolly. eugene robinson, columnist for "the washington post." and chief public affairs officer from moveon.org karine jean-pierre, plus frank figliuzzi, former assistant director for counter intelligence. and former ambassador to russia michael mcfaul. let me start with you, ambassador mcfaul. i have been saying this for two weeks now. we look at the trees, we miss the forest. the forest today was the glorious testimony. fiona hill was like a warm knife cutting through cold butter in terms of laying bare that she was there as an advocate for u.s. national security, u.s. national security policy, and the defense of an american ally who was threatened by russia. and what she described there as a political errand, a campaign being run for donald trump for domestic political purposes, a devastating corroboration of sondland's testimony yesterday that he was answering to donald trump when it came to the extortion campaign of asking for those investigations before military aid and a meeting would b

. >> former msnbc political contributor david jolly here to shed light on this. david, nbc news has confirmed that ukrainian prosecutor viktor shokin says he actually did meet with nunes in vienna austria back in 2018. nunes says it's all just drummed up by the media. he tried not to answer some of the questions. in fact, here's what he said on fox news today. >> were you in vienna with shokin? >> yeah. so look, maria, i really want to answer all of these questions, and i promise i will come back on the show and answer these questions, but because there is criminal activity here, we're working with the appropriate law enforcement agencies, we're going to file all this. everyone's going to know the truth. everybody is going to know all the facts. but i think you can understand that i can't compete by trying to debate this out with the public media when 90% of the media are totally corrupt. and because this is criminal in nature and it's so bad, it's so slanderous, we've got all the facts on our side and we're going to file in federal court because i'm to the going

joining me is david jolly and that tacnatasha bertrand. how serious is this graham investigation of the bidens? how serious does it look? >> we with don't know at this point. i mean all he's ak hully done is request documents related to hunter biden and joe biden's relationship with the prosecutor, their dealings with the prosecutor and with the former president of ukraine. so it remains to be seen but what we do know from the reporting is the idea that joe biden was engaged himself in some kind of quid pro quo, the unsubstantiated allegation the going to appear when the impeachment moves to the senate. that is how the republicans are planning to defend the president essentially by -- by bringing in witnesses that can talk about this alleged, you know, extortion by the vice president that they have accused him of and by that -- by doing that kind of deflect attention away from what they're impeaching the president over. so right now i think what lindsey graham might be doing is lay the ground work for that so they have documents and witnes