we're speaking with aaron david miller. i want to. >> bring into our. conversation journalist. >> noga tarnopolsky. noga, let's start with where you are. >> it's a momentous day for those. >> waiting for the release of these hostages. tell us what you are seeing, what you are hearing, what the mood is there. >> yeah. >> it is a very. momentous day, one. >> in. >> a. >> series here. this used. >> to be. >> the plaza. >> outside the tel aviv. >> museum of art. >> and it has. become known as. hostages square. >> you can see behind me. each community. >> that was attacked. >> during the. >> hamas assault. of october 7th, 2023 has its. >> own tent. >> here. its own. >> community. >> and the crowds have just. been mounting since the morning, despite. >> the. >> fact that. >> at this point. >> the exchange. >> the freeing of the hostages. >> is done. people keep. >> screaming into the square. >> and just. a couple. >> of minutes ago, honestly. >> keith. seagulls chopper. >> the mil chopper. >> bringing him to hospital. >> overflew the square. it seemedo linger

i'm sad to say there and david miller will have to leave it there. but thanks so much east middle east, expert and negotiator. thanks talking to us. thank you. a sweden this morning. the victims of its deadliest ever mash shooting. a gunman opened fire tuesday at an adult education center and the city of edinburgh killing at least 10 people. residents, swedish officials, and members of royal family, attended a memorial service wednesday at a nearby church. prime minister of chris russian said that the incident marked a dark day in sweden's history as the city of edinburgh tries to cope with the scene of sweden's worst ever met. shooting, nursing students, helen vermont. can't stop thinking about her schoolmates who aren't answering their phones. maybe there's a lot of money on them. we don't know where they are. if they're in the hospital or if they're still lying, where they were shot, we haven't had an answer them in the, on the phone. she was among the students that respects the school and it abroad, who made it out alive. after a man entered the

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uh, aaron, david miller is a former advisor to 6 us secretaries of state. and currently a senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace. you gave us his take on the president's cause a declaration. yeah. hey, it's not a plan, it's certainly not a serious solution. it's a tactic and i'm not entirely sure what the tactic is designed to achieve is provocative. it attaches us policy toward an approach which according to some, as far as transfer others describing in much worse terms. it undermines us relations with 2 long standing partners in egypt. and jordan, you know, undermines the president's aspirations for an is really starting normalization agreement. and it sends a powerful signal to boast um vladimir pool and then present in shape that if you want territory, you just have to declare it without any justification for taking it. so i think by and large it's dead on arrival. i don't think this has legs, it's got nowhere to go. uh and what we shouldn't be paying attention to which the media misses about the median. the pressure yesterday,

aaron david miller. senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace and a former arab-israeli negotiator. so, kelly, i know you were at that press conference last night and you actually asked the president about. his idea. where did this proposal come from? >> well, part of what this is stemming from is the president's view, speaking in some ways, not as a statesman, but as a real estate developer. he looks at that land and sees the potential. he talked about taking it over and taking responsibility for the dangers there, like a developer would pay back taxes and clean up any hazardous materials on a site from a world point of view. this is a stunning and provocative assertion by the president, and he has been frustrated by arab nations in the region that have not been more helpful to trying to take displaced palestinians. he is trying to speak to the reality that there is so much destruction. and how do you preserve peace under these circumstances? it was a surprise and it is something t

this is going to be a very heavy lift. >> aaron david miller will be watching very closely. of course. many thanks for joining us. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> the u.s. president issued a warning to panama just hours after his top diplomat, marco rubio, paid a visit to the panama canal. >> what they've done is terrible. they violated the agreement and not allowed to violate the agreement. china is running the panama canal that was not given to china, that was given to panama foolishly, but they violated the agreement. and we're going to take it back or something very powerful is going to happen. >> rubio is in panama as he launches his inaugural trip as secretary of state. he met with the panamanian president and discussed the white house's concerns over china's presence around the canal. panama's president repeated that sovereignty over the waterway is not up for debate. >> there is no doubt that the canal is operated by. >> our country. >> and. >> it will. >> continue to be so. i do not think there has been a discrepancy in that. the president has his opinion

aaron david miller is a senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace. before that, he was a longtime negotiator for the u.s. in the middle east under both presidents bush and clinton. and he joins me now. aaron, you know, one of the things in a domestic context, you could have a president, particularly trump. he just says things and it drives a news cycle and goes away. but my strong sense and i'd like to hear what you say, is that in diplomacy, words matter a huge amount that him saying this, reiterating it with the king of jordan right in front of him, is going to get enormous play in arab media and will have tangible effects on what happens next. what do you think? i think that's right, chris, and thanks for. >> having me. look, i had 27 years in working for a half a dozen administrations. jimmy carter to bush 43. rarely have i seen an idea less tethered to reality and more dangerous. i mean, in one fell swoop, the president has bound the united states to a proposal that best of circumstances, voluntary force transfer. the palestinians think it's eth

. >> let's go get more now on today's developments with aaron david miller, former state department middle east negotiator. he is now a senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace. great to see you. so, you know, after warnings from israel, today's hostage transfer from hamas was seemed like it went relatively smooth, a little different than some of the previous ones. so what do you make of what's happening here? are you encouraged by what is now this phase one of this cease fire agreement? >> i am. >> encouraged, fred. >> thanks for having me. you know, it's not an. >> agreement between the. >> united states and great britain. >> it's an. agreement between two combatants. >> both of which have tried literally to to destroy one another and to inflict as much pain as possible on one another over the last 15 months. and frankly, under the circumstances, no trust, no confidence negotiations were in and they're phased. it's gone remarkably well. i think the real challenge, though, lie in the weeks ahead when we begin to move from phase one, which will end roughly in another

joining us now is former state department middle east negotiator aaron david miller. he's also a senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace. aaron, thanks so much for being here with us. i want to pick up where we left off. there, israel, condemning the appearances of these three israeli hostages following their release today. and then later, the palestinian prisoners media office, raising concerns over the appearance of some of the released prisoners. what is your reaction to all of that? >> you know, i think it underscores the human tragedy of how innocents suffer as a consequence of conflict and war. as far as these three that were released, i mean, you see the obvious signs of physical torture and psychological torture. the fact that they're paraded before or in the company of masked hamas gunmen who are who basically forced them to give speeches praising their captors, just adds to the trauma. it seems to me, and again, i think it reflects the reality that getting these hostages out is critically important. governing is about choosing, and th

joining me now, aaron david miller, a former arab israeli negotiator at the state department, now senior international peace. aaron david. high stakes and urgent backdrop and president trump turning up the pressure even more on jordan and egypt to take in the palestinians, who would be displaced if they were relocated from their land in gaza. how is king abdullah going to walk this tightrope today, when half of his country's population is of palestinian descent? >> yeah. >> and by the. >> way. hamas or the muslim. >> brotherhood in jordan is making a recovery as a consequence of what's happened in jordan. so the admission of large numbers of palestinians and the hundreds of thousands, scores of thousands even, is going to strain jordan's stability. look, i think the king is trying to square an impossible circle. a lot of it is up to the president. if he follows through on his threat to suspend, restrict or withhold the $1.6 billion that the us gives to jordan, the jordanians are are are really have a major problem. i have a feeling, though, that the king may well find a way to sort of do

joining me now, aaron david miller, senior fellow at carnegie endowment for international peace, former senior advisor for arab-israeli negotiations at the state department. stephen cook joins me as well. he's a senior fellow for middle east and africa studies at the council on foreign relations. good morning to both of you guys. aaron, i'm amazing that we are at the fifth week of this. israel and hamas have a commitment to continue a longer lasting truce. boy, donald trump threw a wrench into the works earlier this week. what's your sense of where we are compared to where we were a week ago? >> i mean, frankly, ali, it's great to be here with you, you and steve. i'm really surprised, frankly, at how smoothly, despite the delays and the obstructions, that phase one has gone. but we're approaching the fifth week. three more weeks, two more exchanges of three israeli civilians, males, and then the final exchange of 11. eight of those 11 are not alive. and then we're on to phase two. and i think that's the critically important issue here. and i think, frankly, i understand the media's attr

also here, aaron david miller, former state department middle east negotiator and senior fellow for the carnegie endowment for international peace, along with retired colonel cedric leighton, also a cnn military analyst. i'll begin with you here, david. astounding idea, to say the least, that the u.s. would take over the gaza strip. is this even remotely possible well, i guess it's remotely possible. >> but the obstacles to it are huge legal, moral. um, and practical. um, first of all, you take a developer, you put a developer in front of a problem. they're going to see, you know, a hotel solution. you put a diplomat in front of the same problem. they're going to see a diplomatic solution. uh, you know, you put the pentagon out there, they may see, um, the different and a military solution. um, he is not wrong. as you can see from the photographs that you're running right now, that, uh, it's a total wasteland. and if you are going to rebuild gaza, i'm sure you're going to have to displace a lot of people. what he's not addressing is that this is in the mind of the palestinians, their ho

also here, aaron david miller, former state department middle east negotiator and senior fellow for the carnegie endowment for international peace, along with retired colonel cedric leighton, also a cnn military analyst. i'll begin with you here, david astounding idea, to say the least, that the u.s. would take over the gaza strip. is this even remotely possible? >> well, i guess it's remotely possible. but the obstacles to it are huge legal, moral. um, and practical. um, first of all, you take a developer, you put a developer in front of a problem. they're going to see, you know, a hotel solution. you put a diplomat in front of the same problem. they're going to see a diplomatic solution. uh, you know, you put the pentagon out there, they may see, um, the different and the military solution. um, he is not wrong. as you can see from the photographs that you're running right now, that, uh, it's a total wasteland. and if you are going to rebuild gaza, i'm sure you're going to have to displace a lot of people. what? he's not addressing is that this is in the mind of the palestinians, their

but as alicia had been discussing all morning with aaron, david miller and others, this is a very fragilend this is step one. phase two is the thing that many people are watching and concerned that it may not hold. yes. i mean, i think we are. really at a. crossroads right now. it's been good news so far. there's a chance that it. >> will. >> continue as planned. but the president our president, really needs to put pressure on the israeli government to continue. >> that is. >> really the key point here, because netanyahu has a lot of reasons to try to walk away from this agreement, especially once the hostages are released. >> i was so struck by the statement from keith siegel's family, which, of. >> course. >> they are relieved and happy that they are going, you know, to get him back. they thank president trump, but they quickly pivot to the fact that there are still 79 hostages who are also waiting to be reunited with their loved ones, saying, our hope rests with you. we also wish to thank the governments of israel and the united states for bringing this deal to fruition, a deal that pr

aaron david miller, if i could begin with you, the minister of foreign affairs of jordan made his feelings quite clear on this. he said, jordan is for jordanians. palestine is for palestinians in the decades of middle east diplomacy that you've been involved in, can you explain exactly why this would be explosive for a u.s. president to support the movement of an entire population? well. >> from a human rights perspective, obviously forced transfer. >> even the. >> president's willful commitment to. basically pressure jordan or egypt to accept palestinian refugees is all wrong. president's thinking with the mindset of an opportunistic real estate developer. for sisi and abdullah. >> and the king is due here next week. they're thinking in terms of existential. it's not a real estate deal for them. it's not even a humanitarian issue. for them. it's an existential issue. hamas is the extension of the muslim brotherhood. geography is destiny. egypt has a core interest. and for jordan, more than half of the population. palestinian stability. the hashemite kingdom at stake. and again, a jeremy,

aaron david miller, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thanks for having. >> me, chris. that is all in on this tuesday night. the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening rachel. >> good evening chris. >> excellent show tonight. >> i particularly. >> got a lot out of that last segment. >> but. >> also the. >> discussion about. eric adams and the both ridiculousness and the seriousness of what d.o.j. is doing. >> in that. >> case, it. >> was really well done and very sobering. >> as an administration enveloping scandal in any other time in administration. yeah. >> and one that the. >> justice department. >> is going to have. >> to figure out a way to make. >> right, if. >> it's ever going. >> to be. >> the us justice. >> department ever. >> again when this. >> is done. >> that's right. thank you chris. thanks my friend, and thanks. >> to you at home for joining. >> us this hour. this is going to be a really good show. i'm glad you're here tonight. >> thanks for. >> being here. >> so this. >> was washington, dc today. >> ahead of the big snowstorm. >> that is roll

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