back with me, paul butler, david rohde, and ryan goodman. er ending series of defenses that trump and his allies are offering? >> it is very trumpian, sorry. it's this constant sort of assembling and denial and confusion. and i think part of the goal here, in the past, i think trump has, you know, succeeded in just muddying the waters, and clearly, as we talked about earlier, this base is gonna believe this. again, i think, some of these are, you know, republicans i've talked to, this fatigue, the star some sense that he's focused on himself, the team still can't believe he lost the race. and his frantic efforts to come up with excuses. and i think, again, fatigue with this kind of chaos and the lies of donald trump. >> all, regardless of whether these documents were declassified, why would trump need these documents in the first place? and why wouldn't he just give them back, once he was asked the first time by the national archives? >> that's the question that merrick garland is going over now with the fbi, for all of its problems, it remai

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david rohde is an executive editor of the new yorker. com. his latest piece is called after the trump raid, silence is not an option for merrick garland. they both join us now on a reference both your pieces because i want to speak about both of them. david beginning with you because you argue that merrick garland needs to be more forthcoming about this investigation. quote, the best way for merrick garland to counter the former president's false narratives and to create public trust in the justice department is to prioritize transparency over secrecy. silence is not an option in the post trump era. i want it to give me a sense of what the transparency could look like and why it is so crucial in this moment? >> i think you, mentioned, mr. sort of a vacuum we had no comment from the justice department since its search was carried out and trump has filled that with false claims. he refuses to release the search warrant which would explain why the agents were there, and that allows him to dominate the narrative, to sort of frame garland and the

joining me now is the online executive editor of "the new yorker" and msnbc contributor david rohde. ially since mbs has been doing this whitewashing of his reputation since khashoggi, especially since he was ushered into power initially before the khashoggi stuff, allowing women to drive, giving them more freedoms outside of the house, this is incongruous, it doesn't make sense. women don't have more freedom if you jail a mother of two for 32 years for tweeting. >> it's the latest example of how he's essentially lied to the west. you're right, he portrayed himself as this great modernizer but he's been anything but. what's astonishing, so it's 34 years in jail, she was mostly retweeting activists' tweets, then she has a 34-year travel ban on top of that. and she wasn't a very active user. she was studying dentistry in the uk. again, this is just i think a harrowing warning to anyone who challenges mohammed bin salman or the saudi royal family, they'll receive this kind of unjustifiable, insanely harsh punishment. i'm amazed this has happened. >> as i understand it, she initially got

we are blessed that david rohde, pulitzer prize reporter and executive editor for the new york stock com is working on a book that's what's happening at the justice department. david thank you for joining us. tonight >> thank you. >> all right, that's gonna do it for me for now. ali vultures gonna be here tomorrow but don't go anywhere because right now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell good evening lawrence. good evening rachel and this is one of those days that we couldn't see coming. of course i know you were working on a completely different show than what you presented tonight. except for senator schumer who you had all along. but this is such a different night. this is the night this state in history of course when president richard nixon was forced to resign the office of the presidency because of the evidence of crimes that had been at that point discovered by investigators. and it's such a different political world in which tonight the top republican in the house of representatives kevin mccarthy threatens the attorney general of the united states. >> threat

. >> joining us now is david rohde, he's a pulitzer prize -winning reporter, he's now executive editordavid, thanks for being time to be here tonight, i was really glad when i heard him appeal to join us. >> thank you for having me. >> so, you've had great sourcing inside the justice department over the last few years. i just wanted to ask, if any of your reporting in recent months in recent weeks on this classified documents investigation. suggested that it was leading towards some dramatic action like this fbi raid today. is it your sense from your reporting, that this investigation is very serious, this action is some indication of where the investigation may be going. so the raises a surprise to me, but a government investigator told me that they felt that the clearest case against donald trump, was this mishandling of documents. that it was 15, boxes as jackie elementary explained earlier. trump was warned not to take these documents. if you remember, and ironically was the same type of investigation that hillary clinton faced. was she intentionally mishandling classified informat